Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Zoe, This article http://www.clltopics.org/CellBio/Epigenetics.htm has a pretty readable discussion about demethylation and its role in CLL - chronic lymphocytic leukemia. However, I found no reference to iodine. Lynn Zoe wrote: I found the following tutorial for physicians on methylation and gene silencing in cancer: http://tinyurl.com/pe9ha http://www.currentrxcme.com/NewFiles/ASCOenduring.pdf#search=%22methylation%20gene%22 The tutorial was interesting, and the first part was useful in helping me understand methylation. But it still didn't help me understand how iodine fits this picture. It did help me appreciate that DNA methylation is a hot new buzz word in medicine. had this intriguing comment when I asked him about methylation and iodine: "Demethylation is probably an important mechanism of action for iodine. The maspin tumor suppressor gene becomes suppressed when methylated. Iodine demethylation expresses it. I wasn't able to go into this in my article." However, when I asked for more information, he said he didn't have any more. I haven't had time to research this further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Lynn, Are you a CLL patient? I am and so surf CLL Topics a lot - what a great site for layman's education about cancer and treatments and generally how cells work. I'd love to talk to another CLL patient! Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Thanks, Lynn. This looks interesting! Do you know anything about CLL and iodine??? Zoe This article http://www.clltopics.org/CellBio/Epigenetics.htm has a pretty readable discussion about demethylation and its role in CLL - chronic lymphocytic leukemia. However, I found no reference to iodine. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Zoe, My husband was diagnosed with CLL on 6/21/06, and I have read much about CLL since then. I have found references to iodine inducing apoptosis in breast and prostate cancer. but nothing about CLL and iodine. One anecdotal report is interesting, though. The wife of a CLL patient reported on a CLL list that they painted iodine tincture on a 2x2 square on his stomach for a month, and his lymph nodes had returned to normal, his hot flashes had disappeared, and he was feeling much better. I posted with my observation that my husband's nodes had diminished and his energy level had improved in the month he had been taking Iodoral. I posted references to this group and iodine4health. Unfortunately it devolved into a very acrimonious exchange with repeated commentary by one member that I was promoting a poison. It's unfortunate that reporting beneficial results and places to get more information could turn into such an ugly affair, but that was a real heads up on how any benefit from iodine is considered to be poppycock. Lynn Thanks, Lynn. This looks interesting! Do you know anything about CLL and iodine??? Zoe This article http://www.clltopics.org/CellBio/Epigenetics.htm has a pretty readable discussion about demethylation and its role in CLL - chronic lymphocytic leukemia. However, I found no reference to iodine. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Lynn,My brother was telling me this also, that one of the reasons iodine fell out of favor was that it was poisonous and caused problems with healing when used topically. I didn't really get into the subject much deeper with him as he is sometimes very opinionated about things and doesn't listen when he thinks he's right.  He has a genius IQ but not much common sense if you know what I mean.  I already knew that he had not read much regarding the issue so I just didn't pursue with him. He couldn't remember exactly what he had heard or read about it, so he couldn't give me anything to look up. I didn't give it much thought until I recommended using iodine tincture to someone for mosquito bites as it had worked really well for my daughter, instantly took the itching away and kept her from scratching. People immediately tell me that it's poisonous and dangerous to keep around the house. I usually tell them that many other items they routinely keep around the house are poisonous also but most of us are so used to that we don't give it a second thought.Now I'm going to sound like a conspiracy nut, but I've read that a lot of groups are infiltrated by shall we say sources that are there to cause trouble and keep info from being found out or to keep throwing out info that some want us to believe.  LinnOn Aug 31, 2006, at 2:29 PM, Lynn McGaha wrote:Zoe,My husband was diagnosed with CLL on 6/21/06, and I have read much about CLL since then. I have found references to iodine inducing apoptosis in breast and prostate cancer. but nothing about CLL and iodine.  One anecdotal report is interesting, though. The wife of a CLL patient reported on a CLL list that they painted iodine tincture on a 2x2 square on his stomach for a month, and his lymph nodes had returned to normal, his hot flashes had disappeared, and he was feeling much better. I posted with my observation that my husband's nodes had diminished and his energy level had improved in the month he had been taking Iodoral. I posted references to this group and iodine4health. Unfortunately it devolved into a very acrimonious exchange with repeated commentary by one member that I was promoting a poison. It's unfortunate that reporting beneficial results and places to get more information could turn into such an ugly affair, but that was a real heads up on how any benefit from iodine is considered to be poppycock. Lynn  Thanks, Lynn. This looks interesting! Do you know anything about CLL and iodine??? Zoe This article http://www.clltopics.org/CellBio/Epigenetics.htm has a pretty readable discussion about demethylation and its role in CLL - chronic lymphocytic leukemia. However, I found no reference to iodine. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 >From: Linn <linnmiller@...> He couldn't remember exactly what he >had heard or read about it, so he couldn't give me anything to look up. I >didn't give it much thought until I recommended using iodine tincture to >someone for mosquito bites as it had worked really well for my daughter, >instantly took the itching away and kept her from scratching. People >immediately tell me that it's poisonous and dangerous to keep around the >house. I usually tell them that many other items they routinely keep >around the house are poisonous also but most of us are so used to that we >don't give it a second thought. Regarding insect bites, there was something on Shomon's website by Dr. Derry in that regard - " Some of our recent serious skin diseases such a " flesh-eating disease " should respond quickly to topical iodine treatment practiced by Fanny. Or, for another example, iodine put onto a mosquito bite would kill all bacteria and viruses at the site of the bite within 10-30 seconds making it impossible for any virus or bacteria to multiply and get started --such as in West Nile Fever. Naturally, this applies to tic bites (Lyme's disease) as well. For many decades in the 1800s people carried around little bottles of iodine around their necks to use on all occasions. People in mosquito and tic infested areas should think of doing this again. (8) In addition, it has been forgotten vaporized iodine rapidly kills air borne viruses such as polio and SARS viruses.. Used extensively in the forties and fifties it may be of use to explore this approach again. " Also, note at one time he refers to its use in vaporizers. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 >Now I'm going to sound like a conspiracy nut, but I've read that a lot of groups are >infiltrated by shall we say sources that are there to cause trouble and keep info >from being found out or to keep throwing out info that some want us to believe. >Linn You have to wonder why so much of the conventional advice for good health is actually deletrious to health. I mistyped demythlation instead of demethylation in an earlier reply, but I think demythlation would be good. Get rid of the health myths. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Skipper, That's where I learned about the bug bites. With her diabetes, I figured it was a good idea. We've had mosquitos really bad this summer here in Texas so we've been using it a lot. It takes the itch away almost instantly. On Aug 31, 2006, at 5:36 PM, Skipper Beers wrote: >> From: Linn <linnmiller@...> > He couldn't remember exactly what he >> had heard or read about it, so he couldn't give me anything to >> look up. I >> didn't give it much thought until I recommended using iodine >> tincture to >> someone for mosquito bites as it had worked really well for my >> daughter, >> instantly took the itching away and kept her from scratching. People >> immediately tell me that it's poisonous and dangerous to keep >> around the >> house. I usually tell them that many other items they routinely >> keep >> around the house are poisonous also but most of us are so used to >> that we >> don't give it a second thought. > > Regarding insect bites, there was something on Shomon's > website by Dr. > Derry in that regard - > > " Some of our recent > serious skin diseases such a " flesh-eating disease " should > respond > quickly to topical iodine treatment practiced by Fanny. > Or, for > another example, iodine put onto a mosquito bite would > kill all > bacteria and viruses at the site of the bite within 10-30 > seconds > making it impossible for any virus or bacteria to > multiply and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Lynn, Im sorry to hear about your husband, but there is lots of great hope, even for this disease. I painted iodine on swollen nodes on my jaw which were very painful and it did help, greatly. Funny, I've forgotten about that. I was dx Jan of 2005 with the rarest and most aggressive CLL, one that caused them to give me 3 years to live and a strong suggestion to begin chemo in 3months. 18 months and a HUGE change in diet later, I'm still here and feeling better than before. Don't lose hope! I'll email you and we'll share what we know. I'm thrilled that another WAPFer (I assume) is on the same path, given that the disease sucks of course. But I have leanred a lot and know of a few alternative options, although I haven't tried much other than diet changes myself. I think others here would be interested to hear how we deal with cancer and use iodine to help. Zoe? Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Hi, would love to hear of your diet changes. Kathleen > > Lynn, Im sorry to hear about your husband, but there is lots of great hope, even for this disease. I painted iodine on swollen nodes on my jaw which were very painful and it did help, greatly. Funny, I've forgotten about that. I was dx Jan of 2005 with the rarest and most aggressive CLL, one that caused them to give me 3 years to live and a strong suggestion to begin chemo in 3months. 18 months and a HUGE change in diet later, I'm still here and feeling better than before. > > Don't lose hope! I'll email you and we'll share what we know. I'm thrilled that another WAPFer (I assume) is on the same path, given that the disease sucks of course. But I have leanred a lot and know of a few alternative options, although I haven't tried much other than diet changes myself. > > I think others here would be interested to hear how we deal with cancer and use iodine to help. Zoe? > > Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 I have decided that when conventional medicine tells us something, usually the opposite is true, like the AHAs recent warning to eliminate salt from our diets, or being on low fat, low cholesterol, low calorie diets. MD, holistic doc, said that when he read research that was negative about a nutrient, vitamin, non-patentable substance, he knew the opposite must be true. Gracia >Now I'm going to sound like a conspiracy nut, but I've read that a lot of groups are >infiltrated by shall we say sources that are there to cause trouble and keep info >from being found out or to keep throwing out info that some want us to believe. >Linn You have to wonder why so much of the conventional advice for good health is actually deletrious to health. I mistyped demythlation instead of demethylation in an earlier reply, but I think demythlation would be good. Get rid of the health myths. Lynn No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 8/30/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 8/30/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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