Re: children thyroid was Dr. Brownstein's new DVD

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"I LOVE DR BROWNSTEIN!!! He has saved my life and soon will be seeing my children to check them for hypo T issues. "

, can you please touch on what Dr. Brownstein thinks can cause hypothyroid in children? My 11 year old daughter hasn't been tested, but she has always been really low energy and no endurance. I suspect she was born with it, because I was hypothyroid when I was pregnant and didn't know it (and mercury toxic too). Her hair analysis is fine for heavy metals (doesn't meet counting rules), but does resemble an all low presentation. I recently started her on Cutler's supplement recommendations, because we are going to try a few rounds of DMSA just to see if we have any luck.

I have been taking her morning temps and they are low- 96-something in the morning, 97-something in the evening. She was on 2 drops of Lugol's for about the last 4 weeks, but I just increased it to 4 drops, because her temps aren't rising. My temps have risen on 4 drops, but my terrible fatigue came back when I tried reducing to 2. She is developing, so her iodine needs are approaching that of a female adult. Can iodine deficiency alone be her problem?

She does eat gluten still, which I can't tolerate. I am not sure if I carry the Celiac genes or not. I have thought about having her tested. She isn't ready to go gluten free yet, because she is worried about missing out on things socially with friends. As soon as my energy picks up more, I am at least getting all of the gluten out of our house, so it will be reduced. She doesn't eat tons now, because I bake gluten free, but she is probably having about 1 serving daily at the most and a few servings a week at the least. I just heard a doctor speak and thyroid problems with Celiac- that is where all this is coming from. He said many people with Celiac have thyroid issues.

Where else do I look to find out the cause behind her low thyroid?

Thanks,

Olif

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>

Olif

I mentioned yesterday on thyroid site(i think) that i had heard

allergies, especially gluten intolerance can be the cause of thyroid

diseases such as hashimotos, and a more likely cause than iodine

defeciency. I got a cold response to this, like 'um no it doesn't'

type answer. So i was really interested in the last part of your

post. What thyroid conditions did he specifically mention?

Thanks

> " I LOVE DR BROWNSTEIN!!! He has saved my life and soon will be

seeing my children to check them for hypo T issues. "

>

> , can you please touch on what Dr. Brownstein thinks can

cause hypothyroid in children? My 11 year old daughter hasn't been

tested, but she has always been really low energy and no endurance. I

suspect she was born with it, because I was hypothyroid when I was

pregnant and didn't know it (and mercury toxic too). Her hair

analysis is fine for heavy metals (doesn't meet counting rules), but

does resemble an all low presentation. I recently started her on

Cutler's supplement recommendations, because we are going to try a

few rounds of DMSA just to see if we have any luck.

>

> I have been taking her morning temps and they are low- 96-something

in the morning, 97-something in the evening. She was on 2 drops of

Lugol's for about the last 4 weeks, but I just increased it to 4

drops, because her temps aren't rising. My temps have risen on 4

drops, but my terrible fatigue came back when I tried reducing to 2.

She is developing, so her iodine needs are approaching that of a

female adult. Can iodine deficiency alone be her problem?

>

> She does eat gluten still, which I can't tolerate. I am not sure if

I carry the Celiac genes or not. I have thought about having her

tested. She isn't ready to go gluten free yet, because she is worried

about missing out on things socially with friends. As soon as my

energy picks up more, I am at least getting all of the gluten out of

our house, so it will be reduced. She doesn't eat tons now, because I

bake gluten free, but she is probably having about 1 serving daily at

the most and a few servings a week at the least. I just heard a

doctor speak and thyroid problems with Celiac- that is where all this

is coming from. He said many people with Celiac have thyroid issues.

>

> Where else do I look to find out the cause behind her low thyroid?

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

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"What thyroid conditions did he specifically mention?"

Hi, . He was mostly talking about hypothyroidism, I think, because he asked for a show of hands for people who have normal thyroid tests but signs of hypothyroidism. He did say there are other causes of hypothyroidism- toxins, and I can't remember what else. Since it was a talk geared towards gluten sensitive (or Celiac) people, he didn't go into the other causes of hypothyroidism.

He said that it is common to find hypothyroidism in people with Celiac. He talked about how they also had higher rates of autoimmune diseases (which could include Grave's and Hashimoto's).

He said that sometimes people with Celiac don't actually have intestinal damage, but do have rheumatoid arthritis, Hashimoto's, etc. and gluten is their problem.

Oh, this was interesting too! He had a graph that showed thyroid levels improving after elimination of gluten. I *think* this even included autoimmune thyroid levels. He says that you can tell if gluten is the underlying cause, because the thyroid will improve once it is eliminated.

Unfortunately for me, I have been gf for 1 1/2 years with no improvement in health. My problem is largely due to toxins though- mercury from amalgams, which can also interfere with the enzymes to digest gluten (and casein). I could have the genes for Celiac, too, I really don't know. Gluten just isn't my underlying problem. I am not sure the extent of a problem it is for me, but I am not likely to eat gluten again anyway.

-Olif

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one thing I've observed is that the children of Hashi's parents are

having the disease triggered after Hep. B vaccines.

there's not any literature on this that I've seen yet, but there is

medical literature regarding these vaccines triggering MS, another

autoimmune disease.

cindi

>

> > , can you please touch on what Dr. Brownstein thinks can

cause hypothyroid in children?

[Guest guest]

>

That is interesting, what was the doctors name? Can i put some of

your post on the thyroid site? I think people should be made aware

of this connection. Obviously it won't be the cause in everyone's

case but if someone's got Celiac it could an answer for them.

Thanks

> " What thyroid conditions did he specifically mention? "

>

> Hi, . He was mostly talking about hypothyroidism, I think,

because he asked for a show of hands for people who have normal

thyroid tests but signs of hypothyroidism. He did say there are

other causes of hypothyroidism- toxins, and I can't remember what

else. Since it was a talk geared towards gluten sensitive (or Celiac)

people, he didn't go into the other causes of hypothyroidism.

>

> He said that it is common to find hypothyroidism in people with

Celiac. He talked about how they also had higher rates of autoimmune

diseases (which could include Grave's and Hashimoto's).

>

> He said that sometimes people with Celiac don't actually have

intestinal damage, but do have rheumatoid arthritis, Hashimoto's,

etc. and gluten is their problem.

>

> Oh, this was interesting too! He had a graph that showed thyroid

levels improving after elimination of gluten. I *think* this even

included autoimmune thyroid levels. He says that you can tell if

gluten is the underlying cause, because the thyroid will improve once

it is eliminated.

>

> Unfortunately for me, I have been gf for 1 1/2 years with no

improvement in health. My problem is largely due to toxins though-

mercury from amalgams, which can also interfere with the enzymes to

digest gluten (and casein). I could have the genes for Celiac, too, I

really don't know. Gluten just isn't my underlying problem. I am not

sure the extent of a problem it is for me, but I am not likely to eat

gluten again anyway.

>

> -Olif

>

[Guest guest]

my understanding on this is that gluten intolerance doesn't " cause "

Hashi's...but that the two conditions have an association and will

often appear together...sorta like Hashi's and vitiligo.

but also, that going gluten free can can lower thyroid antibodies.

cindi

> >

> Olif

> I mentioned yesterday on thyroid site(i think) that i had heard

> allergies, especially gluten intolerance can be the cause of

thyroid

> diseases such as hashimotos, and a more likely cause than iodine

> defeciency. I got a cold response to this, like 'um no it

doesn't'

> type answer. So i was really interested in the last part of your

> post. What thyroid conditions did he specifically mention?

[Guest guest]

Sure, the doctor's name is O'. Here is his website:

http://www.chicagohealers.com/interviews/tobryan.htm

-Olif

[Guest guest]

"my understanding on this is that gluten intolerance doesn't "cause" Hashi's...but that the two conditions have an association and will often appear together...sorta like Hashi's and vitiligo. but also, that going gluten free can can lower thyroid antibodies. "

I think I tend to agree, Cindi. He liked to blame gluten as the underlying cause of a lot of illness. While I don't think gluten is meant to be human food, I still have to wonder if there are other underlying causes that inhibit our ability to digest food or cause other problems. Like for me, heavy metal toxicity is the underlying cause, as far as I can figure.

The doctor did also mention that most of the time, there are other foods that are causing problems in addition to the gluten, often soy and dairy he says. I know that gluten can mess up the gut and cause permeability so problems with other foods. I am still wondering if this is true for a smaller percentage of the population rather than larger, like he claims. Maybe people have other underlying causes making them sensitive to gluten and other foods.

Another things that comes to mind is what Brownstein found in breast cancer patients (okay this isn't related to gluten, but it is related to finding an underlying cause). He found that women with and without breast cancer were iodine deficient. He also found that women with breast cancer had higher levels of bromide and fluoride. The cause is likely the higher toxicity of bromide and fluoride, BUT these can be held in check with iodine supplementation. Maybe something similar is going on with the connection between gluten and thyroid problems. Anyone with a gluten problem isn't likely getting nutrients they need from their food.

-Olif

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hi

I saw your post yesterday. which comes first, the chicken or the egg? At this point I think iodine deficiency comes first. It's doing great things for me. (sick/hypo all my life)

Gracia

>OlifI mentioned yesterday on thyroid site(i think) that i had heard allergies, especially gluten intolerance can be the cause of thyroid diseases such as hashimotos, and a more likely cause than iodine defeciency. I got a cold response to this, like 'um no it doesn't' type answer. So i was really interested in the last part of your post. What thyroid conditions did he specifically mention?Thanks >

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>

> She does eat gluten still, which I can't tolerate. I am not sure if

I carry the Celiac genes or not. I have thought about having her

tested. She isn't ready to go gluten free yet, because she is worried

about missing out on things socially with friends. As soon as my

energy picks up more, I am at least getting all of the gluten out of

our house, so it will be reduced. She doesn't eat tons now, because I

bake gluten free, but she is probably having about 1 serving daily at

the most and a few servings a week at the least. I just heard a doctor

speak and thyroid problems with Celiac- that is where all this is

coming from. He said many people with Celiac have thyroid issues.

>

> Where else do I look to find out the cause behind her low thyroid?

>

Hi, Olif,

I'm not , but I thought I'd put my 2 cents in. If I were you

(and I sort of am, because I have similar issues with my teenage

daughter) I would find a dr who will do saliva testing for thyroid,

adrenal & gluten intolerance. If you can't find anyone, you can

always contact Dr. Mark (www.drmarkrhodes.com).

Through Diagnos-Techs, you can do the Adrenal Stress Index, which

tests adrenal & gluten intolerance. Then you can throw in the thyroid

test as well. According to Dr. , saliva is the most sensitive

way to test for gluten intolerance.

I am about to have my daughter do the testing, and I won't be

surprised if we discover that she's gluten intolerant. If so, it will

be VERY difficult to have her change her lifestyle - she LIVES on

gluten, is a very picky eater & doesn't eat much else.

If it's the case, I will do my best to explain the situation to her &

explain the damage that can & will occur if she continues to eat

gluten. But ultimately, outside of the home, the decision is hers. I

can only hope that she cares enough about herself to chang her diet.

Summertime might be a good time to do the gluten-free diet challenge,

when you have more control of her diet.

Best of luck!

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

but does that really say anything definitive at all...when his overall

results were that over 90% of those tested were iodine deficient?

cindi

>

>

He found that women with and without breast cancer were iodine

deficient.

[Guest guest]

"but does that really say anything definitive at all...when his overall results were that over 90% of those tested were iodine deficient?"

Well, what else he found, though, is that the women with breast cancer were higher in bromide and fluoride than the women without breast cancer. The bromide and fluoride were likely contributing to the cancer. Bromide and fluoride can be "flushed out" of the body with high iodine supplementation.

-Olif

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>From: " Olif " <OVanPelt@...>

>She is developing, so her iodine needs are approaching that of a female

>adult. Can iodine deficiency alone be her problem?

Actually, puberty is a bad time to be low in thyroid hormone, as the child

going through it kicks out far more thyroid hormone than an adult, if their

thyroid is able.

>Where else do I look to find out the cause behind her low thyroid?

It's not a mystery. Low iodine, fluoride, lack of protein, lack of Vitamin

A (not beta carotene, real vitamin A), lack of Vitamin C, bromine, toxins,

stress, all these things can cause thyroid troubles.

Skipper

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or a genetic predisposition to Hashimoto's with the disease triggered

by puberty, vaccines, etc.

cindi

>

> >>

>

> >Where else do I look to find out the cause behind her low thyroid?

>

> It's not a mystery. Low iodine, fluoride, lack of protein, lack of

Vitamin

> A (not beta carotene, real vitamin A), lack of Vitamin C, bromine,

toxins,

> stress, all these things can cause thyroid troubles.

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" Low iodine, fluoride, lack of protein, lack of Vitamin

A (not beta carotene, real vitamin A), lack of Vitamin C, bromine, toxins,

stress, all these things can cause thyroid troubles. "

Thanks, Skipper.

She eats protein and takes cod liver oil daily. We recently started

supplementing vitamin C. We don't drink fluoridated water. I am not sure

where else to look for her thyroid problems, except I suspect they were

present at birth.

She might have some toxin load, and we are going to try DMSA in a month or

so, although her hair test didn't reveal any problems. She doesn't have

amalgams but had all her immunizations when she was younger. We eat organic

nearly all the time.

Where else should I be looking? Gluten intolerance is all I can really come

up with. Well, that and iodine deficiency, but we are not supplementing with

iodine.

Thanks,

Olif

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There is actually a fair bit of evidence that gluten intolerance DOEScause autoimmune diseases. Specifically if it provokes zonulinproduction, which leads to leaky gut, which leads to rogueproteins in the blood, which triggers autoimmune antibodies. In

one study, kids who went off gluten stopped producing anti-thyroidantibodies. A similar mechanism seems to be at work with IDDM too.The gluten response seems to be very genetic and the environmentalparts they've found so far seem to mainly have to do with breastfeeding.

Gluten intolerant folks are typically low on LOTS of nutrients,so it wouldn't surprise me if iodine was one of them. Or thathaving enough iodine might be protective (How does iodineeffect the zonulin production? That would be an interesting

connection, if there is one).See:http://www.ithyroid.com/celiac_disease1.htmOrgan-Specific Autoantibodies Linked to Dietary Gluten in Celiac Disease Patients

WESTPORT, Sep 07 (Reuters Health) - Patients with celiac disease have high levels of diabetes- and thyroid-related autoantibodies that " disappear " when the patients are placed on a gluten-free diet.

The finding confirms the high prevalence of organ-specific autoantibodies in patients with celiac disease, and supports the theory that these antibodies are gluten-dependent, Dr. Alessandro Ventura, of the Universita di Trieste, Italy, and colleagues say in the August issue of the Journal of Pediatrics. -- On 1/23/07, Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

hi

I saw your post yesterday. which comes first, the chicken or the egg? At this point I think iodine deficiency comes first. It's doing great things for me. (sick/hypo all my life)

Gracia

>OlifI mentioned yesterday on thyroid site(i think) that i had heard allergies, especially gluten intolerance can be the cause of thyroid diseases such as hashimotos, and a more likely cause than iodine defeciency. I got a cold response to this, like 'um no it doesn't' type answer. So i was really interested in the last part of your post. What thyroid conditions did he specifically mention?Thanks >

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Re: http://www.diagnostechs.com/main.htm

Thanks for all the testing info!

You have to be careful about basing gluten intolerance solely from the gliadin antibody test. I showed no antibodies to gliadin, the other protein (can't remember the name), or any of the gluten grains- barley, rye, or wheat! At the time, I wasn't eating them all that often, about once or twice a week. I only discovered I couldn't tolerate them, because I eliminated it and went by symptoms. It isn't just wheat either- it is gluten. I can't tolerate barley for sure either. I haven't had rye in too long to even know.

Thanks,

Olif

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The explanation that Dr. gave me is that the saliva test is far

more sensitive than blood in this respect (he gave me scientific

reasons, but honestly I can't remember much these days). But my

understanding is that it may still come up negative, especially if the

person hasn't had much gluten.

In that case, the gluten-free challenge, I suppose...

>

> You have to be careful about basing gluten intolerance solely from

the gliadin antibody test. I showed no antibodies to gliadin, the

other protein (can't remember the name), or any of the gluten grains-

barley, rye, or wheat! At the time, I wasn't eating them all that

often, about once or twice a week. I only discovered I couldn't

tolerate them, because I eliminated it and went by symptoms. It isn't

just wheat either- it is gluten. I can't tolerate barley for sure

either. I haven't had rye in too long to even know.

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

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from Olif:

>>>" Low iodine, fluoride, lack of protein, lack of VitaminA (not beta carotene, real vitamin A), lack of Vitamin C, bromine, toxins,stress, all these things can cause thyroid troubles."She eats protein and takes cod liver oil daily...Where else should I be looking?

...Thanks,Olif>>>

Hi Olif,

I'm just jumping in here with my 2 cents. Have you checked the label of your cod liver oil for vitamin A amount? It may be quite low and she may still need to supplement. Have you seen the article on the Weston Price website on the need for vitamin A supplements?

Dahia

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"Olif" OVanPelt@... writes:

I am a big fan of Weston Price's work. :-) She has been taking 5000IU of vitamin A, but I am thinking about moving it up to 10,000IU. I recently increased mine from 10 to 15,000IU.

Hi Olif,

Based on recent readings, I've upped my dose to 100,000 iu's with 4,000 iu's of vitamin D. This is partly based on a recent article, which I think is posted on the WAP website, by Masterjohn and the need for supplementing vitamin A and K if one is supplementing with vitamin D, which I am. Adele , that old standby, also seems to underline the need for A, for lots of issues, including thyroid. I think there is a blood test to determine vitamin A levels, which I'm planning on getting. I have no idea what the safety levels of vitamin A are for kids, though. Seems to bear further research.

Best,

Dahlia