Re: What do you do when you are not Hungry?

[Guest guest]

Hello cindywebb1667,

Friday, October 26, 2007, 1:34:19 PM, you wrote:

> I've cleaned out most of my pantry of the bad stuff, but every now

> and then...... I guess I just need to learn to control myself....that

> needs to be a big part of my lifestyle change.

Like you said above, part of it is learning to " be normal " , like those

little " skinny bitches " that all of us loved to hate (or for some of

us of the male persuasion, occasionally lust after). I know. I used

to be married to one (alcoholic/anorexic/bulimic/cutter). Her shrink

wouldn't see her if she weighed below 95 (and he weighed her at start

of each session...and of course she paid if he wouldn't see her)

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

at least you caught yourself in the middle of the act!!! that is progress....

At 03:29 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:

>OUCH - Gyros and Pita sounds like it would hurt.

>

>My cheats are getting less and my good behavior and choices are

>getting better. I'm just a person that has to " push the envelope "

>once in awhile - then I scare myself and I'm good.

>

>I tried an MCD cmall cheeseburger yesterday and could only eat 1/3 of

>it (with pain of course). As I sat in my car alone (unjudged) I

>looked at myself in the rear view mirror and said, " how stupid

>can you be? Why are you eating something that isn't all that tasty

>and letting it hurt you? Literally? " So I got out of the car and

>threw it away.

>

>So yes...I " m as dumb as they come......

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > Although an MCD cheeseburger hurts going down - I can't resist

> > > trying. I've NEVER thrown up although at times I'll have a little

> > > burp under the last thing I've swallowed. But I'm not easily

> > > deterred if I really want to eat something. I can eat bread but

>get

> > > stuck on toast and butter ??? Now that's weird huh? Right now

>I " m

> > > working on scaring myself that if I keep cheating I'll stretch my

> > > pouch and have to go back for surgery. Now THAT SCARES ME!

> >

> > Yes, you should be scared. And you should remember " just because you

> > can doesn't mean you should " . We've all done occasional " bad

>things "

> > (well, I know a couple who may be perfect, but I'm not one of them).

> >

> > As to the bread vs toast, you can't always " make sense " out of these

> > things.

> >

> > And really THINK about it. I should have done so last night. We

>were

> > at an event and the food was superb gyros. I had a couple bites of

> > the pita bread and it was outstanding. So I ate all the pita bread,

> > as well as the meat and veggies and cheese. DUMB. It didn't quite

> > get stuck, as I ate the whole thing pretty slowly. However, it

>really

> > was " plugged up " as I was sneezing (one of the clues for me that

>I've

> > overdone it, or am about to) and just after the last bite (yeah, I

> > cleaned my plate) I started to hurt a bit. Needless to say, I was

> > stretched or sort of plugged up. How do I know? I could barely get

> > any water down a couple hours later. This morning I can barely get

> > hot coffee down. I know it will pass, but I probably won't even try

> > to have anything solid the rest of the day.

> >

> > Yeah, DUMB.....

> >

> > But I'm sure you can be smarter than me.

> >

> > --

> > Best regards,

> > Dan mailto:honu@...

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>> My cheats are getting less and my good behavior and choices are

getting better. I'm just a person that has to " push the envelope "

once in awhile - then I scare myself and I'm good.<<

Cheating and being good are two concepts you have to get past. This is

mot about being a naughty child, it's about taking charge of your life

and making a commitment to acting like a grown up.

You can keep " scaring yourself " and seeing how close you can get to the

brink but every time you eat something that hurts, you're one step

closer to losing your band. (I speak from experience.)

Try pausing a moment and asking yourself " What would an intelligent

person do? What would a grown up do? " (I'd be very surprised if the

answer is " eat something that hurts " .)

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Cheating and being good are two concepts you have to get past. This is

> mot about being a naughty child, it's about taking charge of your life

> and making a commitment to acting like a grown up.

But all grown ups act like children once in awile.

>

> You can keep " scaring yourself " and seeing how close you can get to

the

> brink but every time you eat something that hurts, you're one step

> closer to losing your band. (I speak from experience.)

What do you mean?

>

> Try pausing a moment and asking yourself " What would an intelligent

> person do? What would a grown up do? " (I'd be very surprised if the

> answer is " eat something that hurts " .)

Ya got me there.

>

[Guest guest]

> You can keep " scaring yourself " and seeing how close you can get to

the

> brink but every time you eat something that hurts, you're one step

> closer to losing your band. (I speak from experience.)

What do you mean?<<

I mean that every time you eat something that hurts, you are stretching

the stoma and if you keep doing that eventually it will not rebound and

it will stay stretched. That's what's often called a " slipped " band,

though it is more accurately called a prolapse. (Or you can get

esophageal stretching and/or erosion which is even less fun.)

A prolapse will cause acid reflux and the stoma can slip up through the

diaphragm to form a hiatal hernia. This is not a pleasant experience.

Sometimes taking the entire fill out of the band for weeks or months can

solve the problem. Otherwise the band comes out.

I had a prolapse, primarily caused by a too tight band and a stubborn

insistence on " testing the limits " . Fortunately after having the band

out for six months I was able to get a new one.

Final score:

Many months of pain from the prolapse

2 additional surgeries

45 pounds regained

Band 1 Sharon 0

That's what I mean.

[Guest guest]

I guess I'm done testing the limits....

Thank you for letting me know that it is more than just 'childish'

behavior...it is medically dangerous.

cindy

>

> > You can keep " scaring yourself " and seeing how close you can get

to

> the

> > brink but every time you eat something that hurts, you're one step

> > closer to losing your band. (I speak from experience.)

>

> What do you mean?<<

>

> I mean that every time you eat something that hurts, you are

stretching

> the stoma and if you keep doing that eventually it will not rebound

and

> it will stay stretched. That's what's often called a " slipped "

band,

> though it is more accurately called a prolapse. (Or you can get

> esophageal stretching and/or erosion which is even less fun.)

> A prolapse will cause acid reflux and the stoma can slip up through

the

> diaphragm to form a hiatal hernia. This is not a pleasant

experience.

> Sometimes taking the entire fill out of the band for weeks or

months can

> solve the problem. Otherwise the band comes out.

> I had a prolapse, primarily caused by a too tight band and a

stubborn

> insistence on " testing the limits " . Fortunately after having the

band

> out for six months I was able to get a new one.

>

> Final score:

> Many months of pain from the prolapse

> 2 additional surgeries

> 45 pounds regained

> Band 1 Sharon 0

>

> That's what I mean.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

congratulations!!! what you describe as food getting temporarily

stuck and then you try to burp it up is a PB!!!!! you've joined the

club.

one of PB's friends is mr. Slimey. he is not welcome in my house,but

occasionally comes for a visit anyway, uninvited. fortunately, not

for some time now.

george

> >

> >

> > >

> > >Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my good

> > >behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other times

I'm

> > >afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm

guessing

> > >something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double dinner -

I've

> > >only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess that's

o.k.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > cindy, glad you related to my advice. i think that we each have

to

> > work out what works.

> > i have opted not to have another fill for a while, and it

honestly

> is

> > making me a bit nervous....but i swear that eating slowly really

> helps me.

> > maybe i just get bored and want to move on. i dont know. i just

do

> > know that i HATE to vomit and PB, and that is the deterrent. i

just

> > think about it and that makes me stop. did you ever pb or vomit?

it

> > is not fun, and not good for the band. so i just tell myself that

> if

> > i do anything like that, i will vomit and it scares me.

> > glad to hear that you lost the 3lbs. altho i worry that for

> sometimes

> > if i lose weight in spite of my bad behavior, i figure i can get

> away

> > with it again. and sometimes i ccan and sometimes i cannot!!! it

> > keeps me on my toes!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Diane B

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Diane,

have you been successful in balancing? LOL. isn't this one of

those " i know i shouldn't do this, but i'm going to do it anyway " ?

that's what i call it. LOL

Balancing. that's a good one.

george

p.s. i think it might be a good idea if we all just came clean with

our own little tricks. it might open up a new clean slate for us to

restart from.

p.p.s. the things we do in private when noone is looking is the kind

of thing we need to tame. however, going to MCD and downing their

high calorie burgers, etc, is a test that doesn't make sense. please

don't enter (the gates to hell) mac donalds.

> >I have never PB'd (if that means vomit) but I have had a couple of

> >cases of what I call " backwash " where the food gets temporarily

stuck

> >and I try to burp and I feel the food in the bottom of my throat.

> >

> //

[Guest guest]

,

i beg to differ with you. your response to that morsel was

brilliant. throwing it away was a shift in paradym that will point

you in the right direction. good going.

george

> >

> > > Although an MCD cheeseburger hurts going down - I can't resist

> > > trying. I've NEVER thrown up although at times I'll have a

little

> > > burp under the last thing I've swallowed. But I'm not easily

> > > deterred if I really want to eat something. I can eat bread

but

> get

> > > stuck on toast and butter ??? Now that's weird huh? Right now

> I " m

> > > working on scaring myself that if I keep cheating I'll stretch

my

> > > pouch and have to go back for surgery. Now THAT SCARES ME!

> >

> > Yes, you should be scared. And you should remember " just because

you

> > can doesn't mean you should " . We've all done occasional " bad

> things "

> > (well, I know a couple who may be perfect, but I'm not one of

them).

> >

> > As to the bread vs toast, you can't always " make sense " out of

these

> > things.

> >

> > And really THINK about it. I should have done so last night. We

> were

> > at an event and the food was superb gyros. I had a couple bites

of

> > the pita bread and it was outstanding. So I ate all the pita

bread,

> > as well as the meat and veggies and cheese. DUMB. It didn't

quite

> > get stuck, as I ate the whole thing pretty slowly. However, it

> really

> > was " plugged up " as I was sneezing (one of the clues for me that

> I've

> > overdone it, or am about to) and just after the last bite (yeah, I

> > cleaned my plate) I started to hurt a bit. Needless to say, I was

> > stretched or sort of plugged up. How do I know? I could barely

get

> > any water down a couple hours later. This morning I can barely

get

> > hot coffee down. I know it will pass, but I probably won't even

try

> > to have anything solid the rest of the day.

> >

> > Yeah, DUMB.....

> >

> > But I'm sure you can be smarter than me.

> >

> > --

> > Best regards,

> > Dan mailto:honu@

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

you're doing a wonderful job. you know, sometimes even when the

spirit is strong, the flesh is sometimes weak.

we have years of engrained bad habits to overcome and you sound like

you are methodically eradicating old bad behavior piece by piece.

keep up the good work and the inspiration you provide by sharing how

you're doing on your journey.

thank you.

george

p.s. how do you get those grandchildren? i'd like to share your

method with my kids, already.

> >

> > > Unfortunately, I have to have things in my house for my 3

> > > granddaughters who live next door. Mostly it is things like

100

> > > calorie pack snacks, cereal, jello, peaches etc, but every so

> often

> > > it is also dorritos, pringles and cookies.

> >

> > , you don't really HAVE TO have that junk in the house for

the

> > kids. The first thing I taught my kids is " differential

behavior " ,

> > that you behave differently at grandmas from home, from school,

from

> > church, from the playground, from the sports team practice, etc.

> >

> > Part of that includes food. Just because they have chips at home

> > doesn't mean they have to (or should) have them at your house.

That

> > does NOT make you a " mean grandma " . I'll bet there are some other

> > things that are different between their house and yours. This

could

> > be another one.

> >

> > --

> > Best regards,

> > Dan mailto:honu@

> >

>

[Guest guest]

cindy,

forget it. diane comes from fairfield. we all think like that in

that town.

lol

george

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my

> good

> > > > >behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other

times

> I'm

> > > > >afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm

> guessing

> > > > >something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double

dinner -

> I've

> > > > >only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess

that's

> o.k.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > cindy, glad you related to my advice. i think that we each

have

> to

> > > > work out what works.

> > > > i have opted not to have another fill for a while, and it

> honestly

> > >is

> > > > making me a bit nervous....but i swear that eating slowly

really

> > >helps me.

> > > > maybe i just get bored and want to move on. i dont know. i

just

> do

> > > > know that i HATE to vomit and PB, and that is the deterrent.

i

> just

> > > > think about it and that makes me stop. did you ever pb or

> vomit? it

> > > > is not fun, and not good for the band. so i just tell myself

> that

> > >if

> > > > i do anything like that, i will vomit and it scares me.

> > > > glad to hear that you lost the 3lbs. altho i worry that for

> > >sometimes

> > > > if i lose weight in spite of my bad behavior, i figure i can

get

> > >away

> > > > with it again. and sometimes i ccan and sometimes i cannot!!!

it

> > > > keeps me on my toes!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Diane B

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

gee Dan,

I thought MY wife was a mental case. ROFLOL

george

>

> Hello cindywebb1667,

>

>//> little " skinny bitches " that all of us loved to hate (or for

some of

> us of the male persuasion, occasionally lust after). I know. I

used

> to be married to one (alcoholic/anorexic/bulimic/cutter). Her

shrink

> wouldn't see her if she weighed below 95 (and he weighed her at

start

> of each session...and of course she paid if he wouldn't see her)

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

cindy,

you continue to make me smile.

george

> >

> >

> > Cheating and being good are two concepts you have to get past.

This is

> > mot about being a naughty child, it's about taking charge of your

life

> > and making a commitment to acting like a grown up.

>

> But all grown ups act like children once in awile.

> >

> > You can keep " scaring yourself " and seeing how close you can get

to

> the

> > brink but every time you eat something that hurts, you're one step

> > closer to losing your band. (I speak from experience.)

>

> What do you mean?

> >

> > Try pausing a moment and asking yourself " What would an

intelligent

> > person do? What would a grown up do? " (I'd be very surprised if

the

> > answer is " eat something that hurts " .)

>

> Ya got me there.

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

well, george, words are my business...so i use them to my advantage!!!

but i am really trying to limit the times i need to balance....

most of my tricks are for my benefit -- eg the telling myself that

bread wont go thru the band.

if i am going to have something that is maybe not the best choice

(how ddo you like those words>???)

then i tell myself that i will only do it today and not for a number

of days or weeks afterwards. that

is what i mean also by balancing!!!

if i keep losing weight at a slow but steady clip i consider myself a

successful balancer....:-)

At 08:49 AM 10/27/2007, you wrote:

>Diane,

>

>have you been successful in balancing? LOL. isn't this one of

>those " i know i shouldn't do this, but i'm going to do it anyway " ?

>

>that's what i call it. LOL

>

>Balancing. that's a good one.

>

>george

>

>p.s. i think it might be a good idea if we all just came clean with

>our own little tricks. it might open up a new clean slate for us to

>restart from.

>

>p.p.s. the things we do in private when noone is looking is the kind

>of thing we need to tame. however, going to MCD and downing their

>high calorie burgers, etc, is a test that doesn't make sense. please

>don't enter (the gates to hell) mac donalds.

>

>

> > >I have never PB'd (if that means vomit) but I have had a couple of

> > >cases of what I call " backwash " where the food gets temporarily

>stuck

> > >and I try to burp and I feel the food in the bottom of my throat.

> > >

> > //

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

george, you make it sound like stepford...............:-)

At 09:58 AM 10/27/2007, you wrote:

>cindy,

>

>forget it. diane comes from fairfield. we all think like that in

>that town.

>

>lol

>

>george

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my

> > good

> > > > > >behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other

>times

> > I'm

> > > > > >afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm

> > guessing

> > > > > >something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double

>dinner -

> > I've

> > > > > >only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess

>that's

> > o.k.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > cindy, glad you related to my advice. i think that we each

>have

> > to

> > > > > work out what works.

> > > > > i have opted not to have another fill for a while, and it

> > honestly

> > > >is

> > > > > making me a bit nervous....but i swear that eating slowly

>really

> > > >helps me.

> > > > > maybe i just get bored and want to move on. i dont know. i

>just

> > do

> > > > > know that i HATE to vomit and PB, and that is the deterrent.

>i

> > just

> > > > > think about it and that makes me stop. did you ever pb or

> > vomit? it

> > > > > is not fun, and not good for the band. so i just tell myself

> > that

> > > >if

> > > > > i do anything like that, i will vomit and it scares me.

> > > > > glad to hear that you lost the 3lbs. altho i worry that for

> > > >sometimes

> > > > > if i lose weight in spite of my bad behavior, i figure i can

>get

> > > >away

> > > > > with it again. and sometimes i ccan and sometimes i cannot!!!

>it

> > > > > keeps me on my toes!!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Diane B

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

WHOO HOO ! - Now I belong ! : ) I thought PB was a " head-in-the-

toilet-vomit session. I think I've met Mr. Slimey and if it was

him, I definitely don't like him. Once I got stuck my nose starting

running, I started salivating and mucus built up in the back of my

throat (is this gross or what?). Was that Mr. Slimey? He is

definitely NOT welcome in my house.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my

good

> > > >behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other times

> I'm

> > > >afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm

> guessing

> > > >something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double dinner -

> I've

> > > >only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess that's

> o.k.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > cindy, glad you related to my advice. i think that we each have

> to

> > > work out what works.

> > > i have opted not to have another fill for a while, and it

> honestly

> > is

> > > making me a bit nervous....but i swear that eating slowly

really

> > helps me.

> > > maybe i just get bored and want to move on. i dont know. i just

> do

> > > know that i HATE to vomit and PB, and that is the deterrent. i

> just

> > > think about it and that makes me stop. did you ever pb or

vomit?

> it

> > > is not fun, and not good for the band. so i just tell myself

that

> > if

> > > i do anything like that, i will vomit and it scares me.

> > > glad to hear that you lost the 3lbs. altho i worry that for

> > sometimes

> > > if i lose weight in spite of my bad behavior, i figure i can

get

> > away

> > > with it again. and sometimes i ccan and sometimes i cannot!!!

it

> > > keeps me on my toes!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Diane B

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >I have never PB'd (if that means vomit) but I have had a couple

of

> > >cases of what I call " backwash " where the food gets temporarily

> stuck

> > >and I try to burp and I feel the food in the bottom of my throat.

> > >

> > //

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you - I believe it was the first time in my life, I threw away

food I wanted to eat.

Maybe the band is working in spite of myself : )

> > >

> > > > Although an MCD cheeseburger hurts going down - I can't

resist

> > > > trying. I've NEVER thrown up although at times I'll have a

> little

> > > > burp under the last thing I've swallowed. But I'm not easily

> > > > deterred if I really want to eat something. I can eat bread

> but

> > get

> > > > stuck on toast and butter ??? Now that's weird huh? Right

now

> > I " m

> > > > working on scaring myself that if I keep cheating I'll

stretch

> my

> > > > pouch and have to go back for surgery. Now THAT SCARES ME!

> > >

> > > Yes, you should be scared. And you should remember " just

because

> you

> > > can doesn't mean you should " . We've all done occasional " bad

> > things "

> > > (well, I know a couple who may be perfect, but I'm not one of

> them).

> > >

> > > As to the bread vs toast, you can't always " make sense " out of

> these

> > > things.

> > >

> > > And really THINK about it. I should have done so last night.

We

> > were

> > > at an event and the food was superb gyros. I had a couple

bites

> of

> > > the pita bread and it was outstanding. So I ate all the pita

> bread,

> > > as well as the meat and veggies and cheese. DUMB. It didn't

> quite

> > > get stuck, as I ate the whole thing pretty slowly. However, it

> > really

> > > was " plugged up " as I was sneezing (one of the clues for me

that

> > I've

> > > overdone it, or am about to) and just after the last bite

(yeah, I

> > > cleaned my plate) I started to hurt a bit. Needless to say, I

was

> > > stretched or sort of plugged up. How do I know? I could

barely

> get

> > > any water down a couple hours later. This morning I can barely

> get

> > > hot coffee down. I know it will pass, but I probably won't

even

> try

> > > to have anything solid the rest of the day.

> > >

> > > Yeah, DUMB.....

> > >

> > > But I'm sure you can be smarter than me.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Best regards,

> > > Dan mailto:honu@

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dan

Here's how I got grandkids (7 of them actually)....

NAG -NAG - NAG

Oh and offers to babysit of course

> > >

> > > > Unfortunately, I have to have things in my house for my 3

> > > > granddaughters who live next door. Mostly it is things like

> 100

> > > > calorie pack snacks, cereal, jello, peaches etc, but every so

> > often

> > > > it is also dorritos, pringles and cookies.

> > >

> > > , you don't really HAVE TO have that junk in the house for

> the

> > > kids. The first thing I taught my kids is " differential

> behavior " ,

> > > that you behave differently at grandmas from home, from school,

> from

> > > church, from the playground, from the sports team practice, etc.

> > >

> > > Part of that includes food. Just because they have chips at

home

> > > doesn't mean they have to (or should) have them at your house.

> That

> > > does NOT make you a " mean grandma " . I'll bet there are some

other

> > > things that are different between their house and yours. This

> could

> > > be another one.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Best regards,

> > > Dan mailto:honu@

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately, I have to have things in my house for my 3

> > > > > granddaughters who live next door. Mostly it is things

like

> > 100

> > > > > calorie pack snacks, cereal, jello, peaches etc, but every

so

> > > often

> > > > > it is also dorritos, pringles and cookies.

> > > >

> > > > , you don't really HAVE TO have that junk in the house

for

> > the

> > > > kids. The first thing I taught my kids is " differential

> > behavior " ,

> > > > that you behave differently at grandmas from home, from

school,

> > from

> > > > church, from the playground, from the sports team practice,

etc.

> > > >

> > > > Part of that includes food. Just because they have chips at

> home

> > > > doesn't mean they have to (or should) have them at your

house.

> > That

> > > > does NOT make you a " mean grandma " . I'll bet there are some

> other

> > > > things that are different between their house and yours.

This

> > could

> > > > be another one.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Dan mailto:honu@

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks - you just made me smile : )

> > >

> > >

> > > Cheating and being good are two concepts you have to get past.

> This is

> > > mot about being a naughty child, it's about taking charge of

your

> life

> > > and making a commitment to acting like a grown up.

> >

> > But all grown ups act like children once in awile.

> > >

> > > You can keep " scaring yourself " and seeing how close you can

get

> to

> > the

> > > brink but every time you eat something that hurts, you're one

step

> > > closer to losing your band. (I speak from experience.)

> >

> > What do you mean?

> > >

> > > Try pausing a moment and asking yourself " What would an

> intelligent

> > > person do? What would a grown up do? " (I'd be very surprised if

> the

> > > answer is " eat something that hurts " .)

> >

> > Ya got me there.

> >

> >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>I guess I'm done testing the limits....<<

I hope so. You're a great person and I hate to see you making

things harder for yourself than they have to be.

I know that once you make up your mind, you can do anything!

[Guest guest]

yes, you have met the enemies.

i guess i used the word vomit because i call anything that comes back up vomit.

but the pb and slime are not the absolute same thing, but the impact

is the same and i hate them too.

i have had to sit by the sink or toilet as the slime just kept coming.

At 03:26 PM 10/27/2007, you wrote:

>WHOO HOO ! - Now I belong ! : ) I thought PB was a " head-in-the-

>toilet-vomit session. I think I've met Mr. Slimey and if it was

>him, I definitely don't like him. Once I got stuck my nose starting

>running, I started salivating and mucus built up in the back of my

>throat (is this gross or what?). Was that Mr. Slimey? He is

>definitely NOT welcome in my house.

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my

>good

> > > > >behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other times

> > I'm

> > > > >afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm

> > guessing

> > > > >something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double dinner -

> > I've

> > > > >only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess that's

> > o.k.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > cindy, glad you related to my advice. i think that we each have

> > to

> > > > work out what works.

> > > > i have opted not to have another fill for a while, and it

> > honestly

> > > is

> > > > making me a bit nervous....but i swear that eating slowly

>really

> > > helps me.

> > > > maybe i just get bored and want to move on. i dont know. i just

> > do

> > > > know that i HATE to vomit and PB, and that is the deterrent. i

> > just

> > > > think about it and that makes me stop. did you ever pb or

>vomit?

> > it

> > > > is not fun, and not good for the band. so i just tell myself

>that

> > > if

> > > > i do anything like that, i will vomit and it scares me.

> > > > glad to hear that you lost the 3lbs. altho i worry that for

> > > sometimes

> > > > if i lose weight in spite of my bad behavior, i figure i can

>get

> > > away

> > > > with it again. and sometimes i ccan and sometimes i cannot!!!

>it

> > > > keeps me on my toes!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Diane B

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what's your point? LOL---

In , Diane <dsb135711@...> wrote:

>

> george, you make it sound like stepford...............:-)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

cindy,

,

you got it. that's it. pb and slime. perfect companions

george--

- In , " cindywebb1667 "

<cindywebb1667@...> wrote:

>

> WHOO HOO ! - Now I belong ! : ) I thought PB was a " head-in-the-

> toilet-vomit session. I think I've met Mr. Slimey and if it was

> him, I definitely don't like him. Once I got stuck my nose

starting

> running, I started salivating and mucus built up in the back of my

> throat (is this gross or what?). Was that Mr. Slimey? He is

> definitely NOT welcome in my house.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >