Re: What do you do when you are not Hungry?

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WOW, 2 cups of mac and cheese? Those were the days! hehehe I can somewhat

remember what it tastes like, but it's so vague! hehehe Personally, I usually

eat around set times. If I ate ONLY when I was hungry I'd eat at 11am and 7pm

and nothing else and honestly I might only eat once a day because I am pretty

much never hungry as long as I get my protein and water. I generally eat at

9am, 1 or 2 pm, and dinner by 7pm. Do what works for YOU though, but skipping

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Oct 2007 20:03:26 +0000Subject: What do you do when you are

not Hungry?

Here is a dilemma I never thought I'd have.....I know we are suppose to eat

three meals a day, but what do you do when you just aren't hungry?I generally

eat a late dinner when things calm down and I can focus on my food. My days run

very later (2 am) so I tend to eat dinner around 8 or 9pmSeveral times I've been

around my 'dinner' time and I just don't feel like eating. (Wow there's a

switch). But I eat anyway because I'm afraid I'll get too hungry and overeat

later. I do not have good restriction yet so I can eat a very large meal (ie

last night I had 6 oz chicken 1/2 cup peas and 2 cups of macaroni and cheese and

was not really full). Two days ago I went to IHOP and ate 3-eggs, all the

hashbrowns, an english muffin with jelly, 1/2 corned beef hash and a 1/2 scoop

of my granddaughter's ice cream sundae. I feel like I'm binging more and more

and I'm afraid to eat for fear of not being able to stop.Anyway, should I eat at

prescribed times whether hungry or not?I'm guessing my stomach/brain is getting

used to alot less food (except at the above mentioned meals) and it just doesn't

growl anymore.Or....I'm so afraid of binging (like I did above) that

psycologically I'm making myself NOT hungry?

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Hello cindywebb1667,

Wednesday, October 24, 2007, 2:03:26 PM, you wrote:

> Here is a dilemma I never thought I'd have.....

> I know we are suppose to eat three meals a day, but what do you do

> when you just aren't hungry?

Then don't eat. We're trying, among other things, to learn that we

should eat when we have PHYSICAL hunger and not when we have EMOTIONAL

hunger.

> I generally eat a late dinner when things calm down and I can focus

> on my food. My days run very later (2 am) so I tend to eat dinner

> around 8 or 9pm

Focusing on your food is important. One of the easiest ways to get

messed up is to eat when you're distracted, doing other things, etc.

First, you can get into grazing. Second, if you're not paying

attention to every bite it is much easier to get stuck or to overeat.

> Several times I've been around my 'dinner' time and I just don't feel

> like eating. (Wow there's a switch). But I eat anyway because I'm

> afraid I'll get too hungry and overeat later. I do not have good

Pretend you're in Mexico or Spain or other European countries where

the NORMAL dinner time is about 800 or 900 pm.

> restriction yet so I can eat a very large meal (ie last night I had 6

> oz chicken 1/2 cup peas and 2 cups of macaroni and cheese and was not

> really full).

Well, remember don't eat as much as you can, eat as much as you

should, whenever possible. That will be easier with good restriction,

which will come with time.

> Two days ago I went to IHOP and ate 3-eggs, all the

> hashbrowns, an english muffin with jelly, 1/2 corned beef hash and a

> 1/2 scoop of my granddaughter's ice cream sundae.

Well, that's a bit over the top. Were you doing it because you were

in ihop and it is a habit, because you were really hungry, because

your granddaughter thought you should, or???

> I feel like I'm

> binging more and more and I'm afraid to eat for fear of not being

> able to stop.

This may be a bit of " last supper syndrome " , which often happens just

before banding....then particularly because you're going to be on

liquids for a while after surgery. In your case it is probably

because you're waiting for restriction and figure you might as well

pig out while you can. Or something else?

> Anyway, should I eat at prescribed times whether hungry or not?

I don't think so. I know that I'm tight enough that I can rarely eat

anything solid before 1100 or 1200, and we get up every day at 0500.

> I'm guessing my stomach/brain is getting used to alot less food

> (except at the above mentioned meals) and it just doesn't growl

> anymore.

You're making good progress, despite the " mistakes " above. I wouldn't

consider them binges, just bad choices.

> Or....I'm so afraid of binging (like I did above) that psycologically

> I'm making myself NOT hungry?

Only you can answer all the reasons (and there probably is more than

one).

But I'm sure not hung up on " sacred times to eat " and I've done pretty

well.

dan

[Guest guest]

i find that i just eat every 3 hours (about ) even if i am not

hungry. it is either a meal or a snack..snacks being something like

yogurt and fruit, cheese and fruit..that is some protein and

something else. i find that this jsut works fo rme and if i do it, i

dont get massively hungry in the evenings and overreat. skipping

meals is just not a good idea imho. it takes planning (i carry food

and protein drinks with me for emergencies)-- and being diabetic,

albeit now pretty much under control, i get the shakes if i dont eat

often enough. and for me it did cause binge eating...eat nothing

during the day and everything in sight during the evening.

so short answer, i eat anyway.

At 04:03 PM 10/24/2007, you wrote:

>Here is a dilemma I never thought I'd have.....

>

>I know we are suppose to eat three meals a day, but what do you do

>when you just aren't hungry?

>

>I generally eat a late dinner when things calm down and I can focus

>on my food. My days run very later (2 am) so I tend to eat dinner

>around 8 or 9pm

>

>Several times I've been around my 'dinner' time and I just don't feel

>like eating. (Wow there's a switch). But I eat anyway because I'm

>afraid I'll get too hungry and overeat later. I do not have good

>restriction yet so I can eat a very large meal (ie last night I had 6

>oz chicken 1/2 cup peas and 2 cups of macaroni and cheese and was not

>really full). Two days ago I went to IHOP and ate 3-eggs, all the

>hashbrowns, an english muffin with jelly, 1/2 corned beef hash and a

>1/2 scoop of my granddaughter's ice cream sundae. I feel like I'm

>binging more and more and I'm afraid to eat for fear of not being

>able to stop.

>

>Anyway, should I eat at prescribed times whether hungry or not?

>

>I'm guessing my stomach/brain is getting used to alot less food

>(except at the above mentioned meals) and it just doesn't growl

>anymore.

>

>Or....I'm so afraid of binging (like I did above) that psycologically

>I'm making myself NOT hungry?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Guess I'll try it both ways and see what works.

I do know that I tend to eat whatever I've prepared or are served. I

have NEVER left food on my plate (maybe that's what prompted me eat

the other 1/2 of my granddaughter's sundae at IHOP). The times I've

been successful in restaurants are the times I've ordered food that

can be eaten as leftovers. I put 1/2 the meal in a to-go container

right away and I take it to the car. Then I eat what I have on my

plate. At IHOP, I knew the breakfast wouldn't be good as leftover so

I told myself I wouldn't eat it all - yeah right.

At home if I cook for two meals - I guarantee I'll eat both meals in

one sitting (that's what happened with the chicken and mac and

cheese).

I am a night muncher - probably cause I'm up working so late in a

quiet house. That's what I'll have to work on.

BTW I remember Jack Paar's name and what he looks like but I'm more

the ny Carson era (I was born in 1956). However, I too would eat

an entire box of Kraft Mac and Cheese WITH something else like a

sandwich or hot dogs. Mac and Cheese is my FAVORITE. My daughter

bought it for me to make for my grandkids (who now don't like it) and

by golly I eat it everyday.

I know now I CANNOT have favorite foods in the house. If its there I

eat it.

I'm not due for a fill till January, but I don't think I'll wait that

long....I have no trouble eating pasta, bread or anything. As a

matter of fact, this morning I ate a Slim Fast caramel bar for

breakfast and accidentally swallowed a HUGE WAD of caramel. I sat

there waiting for the stuck feeling and wondering if I would have to

throw up to get rid of it and.....nothing. It went down just fine ???

>

> > WOW, 2 cups of mac and cheese? Those were the days! hehehe I can

> > somewhat remember what it tastes like, but it's so vague! hehehe

>

> Two cups? I remember the olden days. Junior high school. I'd stay

> up late every nite after everyone else had gone to bed. During the

> 1000 news (in Iowa) I'd go to the kitchen and make TWO packages of

> Kraft Dinner (the mac and cheese in a box, powdered cheese). I

always

> made it with a LITTLE milk and NO butter. Always have hated butter

on

> anything. Anyway, then I'd take big pan of it out to the TV in the

> living room and sit and eat it while I was watching Jack Paar. (For

> you young punks that was before Leno, and before Carson...in the

olden

> days it was Paar) (yeah, this was back in the " russians are coming "

> days of the 1950s)

>

> > Personally, I usually eat around set times. If I ate ONLY when I

> > was hungry I'd eat at 11am and 7pm and nothing else and honestly I

> > might only eat once a day because I am pretty much never hungry as

> > long as I get my protein and water. I generally eat at 9am, 1 or

2

> > pm, and dinner by 7pm. Do what works for YOU though, but

skipping meals is bad for metabolism.

>

> Anyway, I'm not one hung up on eating at certain times, as I don't

> usually feel hungry at certain times. But that's me.

>

> dan

>

[Guest guest]

>RE:

>I do know that I tend to eat whatever I've prepared or are served. I

>have NEVER left food on my plate (maybe that's what prompted me eat

>the other 1/2 of my granddaughter's sundae at IHOP).

the game i play is that i now use lunch plates for my food. so i can

then eat everything.

i also sometimes just dare myself to leave SOMETHING.

i was born in 1947 to parents who knew the depression, so we HAD to

clean our plate-

we were always told of the starving peasants in hungary (ps when i

visited in 1965,

those relatives GORGED me with food...:-) )

>I am a night muncher - probably cause I'm up working so late in a

>quiet house.

me too. that is why i cannot have anything unhealthy in the house,

since i live alone

if i do, i cannot say it is for someone else. i have sugar free

fudgescicles which often satisfy

my late nite sweet cravings. or pistachio nuts for my late nite salt

cravings. etc.

my fav is cheddar goldfish, but i can only buy a small single serving

box which i have only found

in one grocery store and of course i eat it in onne sitting. its

important to know ones limitations.

i recently found single serving ice cream..not sure who the maker is,

but i usually get one on weekends.

i cannot have a carton of ice cream in the house.

another favorite is frozen grapes. wash them and freeze them. they

are like grapesicles. and also address

my sweet tooth.

>I know now I CANNOT have favorite foods in the house. If its there I

>eat it.

one approach is to try to change the favorites...its lame, i know,

but i play it sometimes.

i love salads. yes, i do, so i always have wonderful salad fixings in

the house.

i also love spinach, so ikeep the green giant frozen spinach

available -- you pop it in the microwave.

i then put cheese or molly mcbutter and some spices and nuts.

>I'm not due for a fill till January, but I don't think I'll wait that

>long....I have no trouble eating pasta, bread or anything. As a

>matter of fact, this morning I ate a Slim Fast caramel bar for

>breakfast and accidentally swallowed a HUGE WAD of caramel. I sat

>there waiting for the stuck feeling and wondering if I would have to

>throw up to get rid of it and.....nothing. It went down just fine ???

>

cindy, i feel for you. what happened to me is that the first time i

pb'd and vomited, i vowed it would be

the last. i HATE vomiting. always have. so it is a wonderful

immediate deterrent. so perhaps once it happens

you might feel the same way. i was suh a coward before i was at my

fill level, that just the fear of it kept

me from gorging. also, as i said, i started practicing some behavior

changes that i knew would be hard for

me but that i knew i had to do. so much of this is mental, really.

ps. i know in reality that i can eat pasta an dbread and rice because

i tried a taste, but i tell myself that

i will vomit if i do, and suprisingly it works. i find that as a carb

junkie, i cannot really have just a little.

so what works for me is:

- eat at set times, smaller meals more often

- convince myself that if i dont do whats right i will suffer the

HORRIBLE vomiting

- dont keep stuff i cannot resist in the house - get it in single

servings when i want it

- keep trying on something that is just a little too small for me to

see when it fits....i do not have a scale in the house. if i did,

it woud be counterproductive. the other day i went to my new primary

care dr and of course they have to weigh me. i weighed one

more pound than when i weighted at the weight loss surgery clinic. i

had to have a deep and immediate serious chat with myself not

to feel bad. so from experience, i know that scales dont work for me.

i am much more of a gestalt person -- which works for eating

but not for budgeting and spending!!!

Diane B

[Guest guest]

Hello cindywebb1667,

Wednesday, October 24, 2007, 10:52:04 PM, you wrote:

> Guess I'll try it both ways and see what works.

> I do know that I tend to eat whatever I've prepared or are served. I

> have NEVER left food on my plate (maybe that's what prompted me eat

> the other 1/2 of my granddaughter's sundae at IHOP). The times I've

Of course it was. You were undoubtedly always in the " Clean Plate

Club " at school or home. You also probably heard " clean your plate

they're starving in Africa " .

> been successful in restaurants are the times I've ordered food that

> can be eaten as leftovers. I put 1/2 the meal in a to-go container

> right away and I take it to the car. Then I eat what I have on my

> plate. At IHOP, I knew the breakfast wouldn't be good as leftover so

> I told myself I wouldn't eat it all - yeah right.

Well, one of my favorite sayings is " do you want it to go to WASTE or

go to WAIST? " (or butt or thighs or somewhere else)

> At home if I cook for two meals - I guarantee I'll eat both meals in

> one sitting (that's what happened with the chicken and mac and

> cheese).

Then don't cook for two meals. Or put half of it in the freezer as

soon as it is cooked, before you sit down to eat. And of course don't

" taste it " until it is half gone either.

> I am a night muncher - probably cause I'm up working so late in a

> quiet house. That's what I'll have to work on.

How about doing some exercise at night. Even stuff you can do while

sitting at a desk or tv is good. Get some exercise bands of various

sizes and types. Very cheap.

Do something that you can't have dirty hands for. Computer.

Needlework. Knitting. You wouldn't want any food to contaminate your

work, so you won't be as tempted to have it around for grazing.

> BTW I remember Jack Paar's name and what he looks like but I'm more

> the ny Carson era (I was born in 1956). However, I too would eat

> an entire box of Kraft Mac and Cheese WITH something else like a

> sandwich or hot dogs. Mac and Cheese is my FAVORITE. My daughter

> bought it for me to make for my grandkids (who now don't like it) and

> by golly I eat it everyday.

Well, don't eat any more and don't buy any more. If you have some

boxes around the house, take them, and any other " bad stuff " and take

them to a women's shelter, a mission, your church, a food pantry, or

somewhere else it will be put to good use, since putting it on your

butt is not a good use.

> I know now I CANNOT have favorite foods in the house. If its there I

> eat it.

Absolutely right.

> I'm not due for a fill till January, but I don't think I'll wait that

> long....I have no trouble eating pasta, bread or anything. As a

> matter of fact, this morning I ate a Slim Fast caramel bar for

> breakfast and accidentally swallowed a HUGE WAD of caramel. I sat

> there waiting for the stuck feeling and wondering if I would have to

> throw up to get rid of it and.....nothing. It went down just fine ???

Those dissolve pretty quickly. Which is both good and bad.

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

I do have a chat type of website that you may be able to ask some ???

www.mynewbody.com

Elaine Rashi, Beautiful Tuscany Hills, CA

Dr. Kuri/ TJ MX 04/10/06

Re: What do you do when you are not Hungry?

Guess I'll try it both ways and see what works.

I do know that I tend to eat whatever I've prepared or are served. I

have NEVER left food on my plate (maybe that's what prompted me eat

the other 1/2 of my granddaughter' s sundae at IHOP). The times I've

been successful in restaurants are the times I've ordered food that

can be eaten as leftovers. I put 1/2 the meal in a to-go container

right away and I take it to the car. Then I eat what I have on my

plate. At IHOP, I knew the breakfast wouldn't be good as leftover so

I told myself I wouldn't eat it all - yeah right.

At home if I cook for two meals - I guarantee I'll eat both meals in

one sitting (that's what happened with the chicken and mac and

cheese).

I am a night muncher - probably cause I'm up working so late in a

quiet house. That's what I'll have to work on.

BTW I remember Jack Paar's name and what he looks like but I'm more

the ny Carson era (I was born in 1956). However, I too would eat

an entire box of Kraft Mac and Cheese WITH something else like a

sandwich or hot dogs. Mac and Cheese is my FAVORITE. My daughter

bought it for me to make for my grandkids (who now don't like it) and

by golly I eat it everyday.

I know now I CANNOT have favorite foods in the house. If its there I

eat it.

I'm not due for a fill till January, but I don't think I'll wait that

long....I have no trouble eating pasta, bread or anything. As a

matter of fact, this morning I ate a Slim Fast caramel bar for

breakfast and accidentally swallowed a HUGE WAD of caramel. I sat

there waiting for the stuck feeling and wondering if I would have to

throw up to get rid of it and.....nothing. It went down just fine ???

>

> > WOW, 2 cups of mac and cheese? Those were the days! hehehe I can

> > somewhat remember what it tastes like, but it's so vague! hehehe

>

> Two cups? I remember the olden days. Junior high school. I'd stay

> up late every nite after everyone else had gone to bed. During the

> 1000 news (in Iowa) I'd go to the kitchen and make TWO packages of

> Kraft Dinner (the mac and cheese in a box, powdered cheese). I

always

> made it with a LITTLE milk and NO butter. Always have hated butter

on

> anything. Anyway, then I'd take big pan of it out to the TV in the

> living room and sit and eat it while I was watching Jack Paar. (For

> you young punks that was before Leno, and before Carson...in the

olden

> days it was Paar) (yeah, this was back in the " russians are coming "

> days of the 1950s)

>

> > Personally, I usually eat around set times. If I ate ONLY when I

> > was hungry I'd eat at 11am and 7pm and nothing else and honestly I

> > might only eat once a day because I am pretty much never hungry as

> > long as I get my protein and water. I generally eat at 9am, 1 or

2

> > pm, and dinner by 7pm. Do what works for YOU though, but

skipping meals is bad for metabolism.

>

> Anyway, I'm not one hung up on eating at certain times, as I don't

> usually feel hungry at certain times. But that's me.

>

> dan

>

[Guest guest]

>> Well, one of my favorite sayings is " do you want it to go to WASTE or

go to WAIST? " (or butt or thighs or somewhere else)<<

I also like: You can throw it out or you can throw it in.

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I love your advice!

For a short period of my childhood, my babysitter made me clean my

plate. My parents never did. I too use small plates to eat. Isn't

it amazing how we feel like we are getting so much when we fill a

small plate?

Unfortunately, I have to have things in my house for my 3

granddaughters who live next door. Mostly it is things like 100

calorie pack snacks, cereal, jello, peaches etc, but every so often

it is also dorritos, pringles and cookies.

OMG I LOVE goldfish. I too live alone so I tend to buy single

serving stuff, but if I have more than one single serving of

anything I'm tempted to eat it. I too eat sugar free fudgicles. I

have to practice on making them last or I can eat 4 at a time! My

biggest problem is binging. I can usually stay away from unhealthy

food...but when I don't.....look out...it is ALL GONE : )

I like cucumbers mostly but they give me horrid reflux if I eat too

many. I don't really like salad unless it is from a restaurant with

loads of fat laden creamy garlic dressing

Although an MCD cheeseburger hurts going down - I can't resist

trying. I've NEVER thrown up although at times I'll have a little

burp under the last thing I've swallowed. But I'm not easily

deterred if I really want to eat something. I can eat bread but get

stuck on toast and butter ??? Now that's weird huh? Right now I " m

working on scaring myself that if I keep cheating I'll stretch my

pouch and have to go back for surgery. Now THAT SCARES ME!

Oh and G*d forbid I keep ice cream in the house....that is a big NO

NO cause I will definitely eat it! My mom loves frozen

grapes...I'll have to try them.

Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my good

behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other times I'm

afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm guessing

something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double dinner - I've

only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess that's o.k.

>

>

> >RE:

> >I do know that I tend to eat whatever I've prepared or are

served. I

> >have NEVER left food on my plate (maybe that's what prompted me

eat

> >the other 1/2 of my granddaughter's sundae at IHOP).

>

> the game i play is that i now use lunch plates for my food. so i

can

> then eat everything.

> i also sometimes just dare myself to leave SOMETHING.

> i was born in 1947 to parents who knew the depression, so we HAD

to

> clean our plate-

> we were always told of the starving peasants in hungary (ps when i

> visited in 1965,

> those relatives GORGED me with food...:-) )

>

>

> >I am a night muncher - probably cause I'm up working so late in a

> >quiet house.

>

> me too. that is why i cannot have anything unhealthy in the house,

> since i live alone

> if i do, i cannot say it is for someone else. i have sugar free

> fudgescicles which often satisfy

> my late nite sweet cravings. or pistachio nuts for my late nite

salt

> cravings. etc.

> my fav is cheddar goldfish, but i can only buy a small single

serving

> box which i have only found

> in one grocery store and of course i eat it in onne sitting. its

> important to know ones limitations.

> i recently found single serving ice cream..not sure who the maker

is,

> but i usually get one on weekends.

> i cannot have a carton of ice cream in the house.

>

> another favorite is frozen grapes. wash them and freeze them. they

> are like grapesicles. and also address

> my sweet tooth.

>

> >I know now I CANNOT have favorite foods in the house. If its

there I

> >eat it.

>

> one approach is to try to change the favorites...its lame, i know,

> but i play it sometimes.

> i love salads. yes, i do, so i always have wonderful salad fixings

in

> the house.

> i also love spinach, so ikeep the green giant frozen spinach

> available -- you pop it in the microwave.

> i then put cheese or molly mcbutter and some spices and nuts.

>

>

>

> >I'm not due for a fill till January, but I don't think I'll wait

that

> >long....I have no trouble eating pasta, bread or anything. As a

> >matter of fact, this morning I ate a Slim Fast caramel bar for

> >breakfast and accidentally swallowed a HUGE WAD of caramel. I sat

> >there waiting for the stuck feeling and wondering if I would have

to

> >throw up to get rid of it and.....nothing. It went down just

fine ???

> >

>

> cindy, i feel for you. what happened to me is that the first time

i

> pb'd and vomited, i vowed it would be

> the last. i HATE vomiting. always have. so it is a wonderful

> immediate deterrent. so perhaps once it happens

> you might feel the same way. i was suh a coward before i was at my

> fill level, that just the fear of it kept

> me from gorging. also, as i said, i started practicing some

behavior

> changes that i knew would be hard for

> me but that i knew i had to do. so much of this is mental, really.

>

> ps. i know in reality that i can eat pasta an dbread and rice

because

> i tried a taste, but i tell myself that

> i will vomit if i do, and suprisingly it works. i find that as a

carb

> junkie, i cannot really have just a little.

>

> so what works for me is:

> - eat at set times, smaller meals more often

> - convince myself that if i dont do whats right i will suffer the

> HORRIBLE vomiting

> - dont keep stuff i cannot resist in the house - get it in single

> servings when i want it

> - keep trying on something that is just a little too small for me

to

> see when it fits....i do not have a scale in the house. if i did,

> it woud be counterproductive. the other day i went to my new

primary

> care dr and of course they have to weigh me. i weighed one

> more pound than when i weighted at the weight loss surgery clinic.

i

> had to have a deep and immediate serious chat with myself not

> to feel bad. so from experience, i know that scales dont work for

me.

> i am much more of a gestalt person -- which works for eating

> but not for budgeting and spending!!!

>

>

>

> Diane B

>

[Guest guest]

>

>Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my good

>behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other times I'm

>afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm guessing

>something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double dinner - I've

>only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess that's o.k.

>

>

>

cindy, glad you related to my advice. i think that we each have to

work out what works.

i have opted not to have another fill for a while, and it honestly is

making me a bit nervous....but i swear that eating slowly really helps me.

maybe i just get bored and want to move on. i dont know. i just do

know that i HATE to vomit and PB, and that is the deterrent. i just

think about it and that makes me stop. did you ever pb or vomit? it

is not fun, and not good for the band. so i just tell myself that if

i do anything like that, i will vomit and it scares me.

glad to hear that you lost the 3lbs. altho i worry that for sometimes

if i lose weight in spite of my bad behavior, i figure i can get away

with it again. and sometimes i ccan and sometimes i cannot!!! it

keeps me on my toes!!!

Diane B

[Guest guest]

Hello all!

Haven't contributed in a while but this post intrigued me. I'm an ice

cream junkie. Plain & Simple. I had a great start with my band and

lost only 4 pounds since April. Why? I was on the ice cream diet. I

finally had the courage to go to my DR and confess and squeezed

(which sometimes snaps you back to reality) and after scolding myself

for straying, I decided to get back to healthy eating habits. BUT,

what to do about my ice cream addiction? I was torn between eat it

or obsess about it. I chose to do something else. I took my favorite

vanilla yogurt. Activia to be exact (it's yummy) and tossed it into

the freezer. It froze solid, not like wha you can buy in the

markets. And I have got to tell ya! Boy was it delicious, but the

beautiful thing about it is, it was so hard to scoop out, (I used a

plastic kiddie spoon) it took forever and was unbelievably

satisfying. That one 4oz yogurt was so much hard work I just

couldn't eat another, which of course is no problem for me, banded or

not!

Another little yummy meal for me is the Greek strained yogurt " Fage "

0% or 2%. You'll never believe its low fat. It's so filling and to

curb a sweet craving, you can throw in a little honey (that's the way

we eat it in Greece) or cut up fruit.

I use it in place of mayo too. Its a great flavorful substitute.

But to actually say something about what to do if you're not

hungry. What I think I finally understand is that somedays I can eat

and somedays I can't. Somedays I can barely drink water and others I

can gulps gallons. I think that's the hardest thing to figure out.

When can you and when can't you. I don't know, just try to be aware

of the signals. And listen to your gut not your head. You're head

probably still thinks fat, but your gut isn't anymore.

~Irene

NYU - 4/17/06

242/175/140

[Guest guest]

I have the same issue with portions. What I do is buy the small

portion packages BUT leave them locked in my shed outside. Easy to

unload from my car but a bit of pain to get to once I'm comfortable. No

combo lock, I need a key and don't have them close together. It takes

some work to actually get to the goodies. I only allow myself 1 at a

time, a lot of restraint is required on my part. At times, I forgo the

snack because I just don't feel like getting it.

I sometimes leave things at a friends house and have her give small

portions at a time. That helps too.

[Guest guest]

Hello cindywebb1667,

Thursday, October 25, 2007, 3:31:11 PM, you wrote:

> Unfortunately, I have to have things in my house for my 3

> granddaughters who live next door. Mostly it is things like 100

> calorie pack snacks, cereal, jello, peaches etc, but every so often

> it is also dorritos, pringles and cookies.

, you don't really HAVE TO have that junk in the house for the

kids. The first thing I taught my kids is " differential behavior " ,

that you behave differently at grandmas from home, from school, from

church, from the playground, from the sports team practice, etc.

Part of that includes food. Just because they have chips at home

doesn't mean they have to (or should) have them at your house. That

does NOT make you a " mean grandma " . I'll bet there are some other

things that are different between their house and yours. This could

be another one.

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

Hello cindywebb1667,

Thursday, October 25, 2007, 3:31:11 PM, you wrote:

> I like cucumbers mostly but they give me horrid reflux if I eat too

> many. I don't really like salad unless it is from a restaurant with

> loads of fat laden creamy garlic dressing

Check out the Kraft (and other dressings) at the store. There are

some REALLY good low fat dressings. I've found a Ranch Dressing that

is low fat, almost no calories, and I can't tell it from " the good

stuff " . I'll bet you couldn't either. I don't know (or care) what is

in it but it does the job.

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

Hello cindywebb1667,

Thursday, October 25, 2007, 3:31:11 PM, you wrote:

> Although an MCD cheeseburger hurts going down - I can't resist

> trying. I've NEVER thrown up although at times I'll have a little

> burp under the last thing I've swallowed. But I'm not easily

> deterred if I really want to eat something. I can eat bread but get

> stuck on toast and butter ??? Now that's weird huh? Right now I " m

> working on scaring myself that if I keep cheating I'll stretch my

> pouch and have to go back for surgery. Now THAT SCARES ME!

Yes, you should be scared. And you should remember " just because you

can doesn't mean you should " . We've all done occasional " bad things "

(well, I know a couple who may be perfect, but I'm not one of them).

As to the bread vs toast, you can't always " make sense " out of these

things.

And really THINK about it. I should have done so last night. We were

at an event and the food was superb gyros. I had a couple bites of

the pita bread and it was outstanding. So I ate all the pita bread,

as well as the meat and veggies and cheese. DUMB. It didn't quite

get stuck, as I ate the whole thing pretty slowly. However, it really

was " plugged up " as I was sneezing (one of the clues for me that I've

overdone it, or am about to) and just after the last bite (yeah, I

cleaned my plate) I started to hurt a bit. Needless to say, I was

stretched or sort of plugged up. How do I know? I could barely get

any water down a couple hours later. This morning I can barely get

hot coffee down. I know it will pass, but I probably won't even try

to have anything solid the rest of the day.

Yeah, DUMB.....

But I'm sure you can be smarter than me.

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

Hello levarimena,

Thursday, October 25, 2007, 7:34:07 PM, you wrote:

> I think that's the hardest thing to figure out.

> When can you and when can't you.

That's one of the toughest things. There are LOTS of times when

things " just don't make sense " . One day I can eat something, another

day I can't, even if under conditions that are identical as far as I

can tell. And I'm not even a woman who has the extra variations in

" time of month " and all that.

I do know that one big variable for me is salt, and even worse, MSG.

That bloats me up a great deal. I can barely bend my fingers my hands

are so swollen with fluid. It also makes my stomach swell and

tightens me up tremendously. And not being able to get a lot of fluid

down when you're overloaded with sodium isn't a good thing. So I try

VERY hard to watch out for that stuff.

YMMV, of course.

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

again, me with the games.

i LOVE gyros. i order them, but remove the bread. and i take

one bite of the bread...to feel how doughy it is

and remember how i HATE to vomit....so i stop. so far its working.

thanks for telling me though that even if it appears to

go down ok, there could be later ramifications. that just adds fuel

to my thinking.

At 10:01 AM 10/26/2007, you wrote:

>Hello cindywebb1667,

>

>Thursday, October 25, 2007, 3:31:11 PM, you wrote:

>

> > Although an MCD cheeseburger hurts going down - I can't resist

> > trying. I've NEVER thrown up although at times I'll have a little

> > burp under the last thing I've swallowed. But I'm not easily

> > deterred if I really want to eat something. I can eat bread but get

> > stuck on toast and butter ??? Now that's weird huh? Right now I " m

> > working on scaring myself that if I keep cheating I'll stretch my

> > pouch and have to go back for surgery. Now THAT SCARES ME!

>

>Yes, you should be scared. And you should remember " just because you

>can doesn't mean you should " . We've all done occasional " bad things "

>(well, I know a couple who may be perfect, but I'm not one of them).

>

>As to the bread vs toast, you can't always " make sense " out of these

>things.

>

>And really THINK about it. I should have done so last night. We were

>at an event and the food was superb gyros. I had a couple bites of

>the pita bread and it was outstanding. So I ate all the pita bread,

>as well as the meat and veggies and cheese. DUMB. It didn't quite

>get stuck, as I ate the whole thing pretty slowly. However, it really

>was " plugged up " as I was sneezing (one of the clues for me that I've

>overdone it, or am about to) and just after the last bite (yeah, I

>cleaned my plate) I started to hurt a bit. Needless to say, I was

>stretched or sort of plugged up. How do I know? I could barely get

>any water down a couple hours later. This morning I can barely get

>hot coffee down. I know it will pass, but I probably won't even try

>to have anything solid the rest of the day.

>

>Yeah, DUMB.....

>

>But I'm sure you can be smarter than me.

>

>--

>Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What can I do? My girls are 3 and 6 and do not have weight issues (as yet) as I

did from a very early age. I dont give them a lot of junk but there has to be

something in the house. Even crackers, fat free etc are my downfall. Stick a bit

of cheese and pickled onion on top and thats my 10pm snack in front of tv. They

have friends over for play dates and straight after school, fruit will not cut

it. I try to teach them healthy eating and most days they have very little that

is not healthy but they are children. I confess to finding some fruit mince

sweet biscuits in the cupboard tonight and dipping 4 into my coffee. Felt guilty

as hell afterwards though. Is there anyone else who has young kids and faces my

problems.

[Guest guest]

I have never PB'd (if that means vomit) but I have had a couple of

cases of what I call " backwash " where the food gets temporarily stuck

and I try to burp and I feel the food in the bottom of my throat.

I'm a very lucky person when it comes to vomiting. Even when I have

the FLU I can usually keep from vomiting. I think I was in the 30's

last time I vomited (21 years ago).

When I cheat and then lose weight I tell myself that the " cheat "

hasn't caught up with me yet...which is really true. I usually

don't 'gain' till a day or so after the " cheat " . So....to keep the

gain down - I try to be really, really good to make up for it. The

cheat and then weight loss actually helps me from cheating again -

kinda like waiting for something bad to happen. I do weigh EVERYDAY -

once a day - I find that the 'gains' motivate me to do better and

the losses make me feel GOOD!

>

>

> >

> >Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my good

> >behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other times I'm

> >afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm guessing

> >something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double dinner - I've

> >only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess that's o.k.

> >

> >

> >

> cindy, glad you related to my advice. i think that we each have to

> work out what works.

> i have opted not to have another fill for a while, and it honestly

is

> making me a bit nervous....but i swear that eating slowly really

helps me.

> maybe i just get bored and want to move on. i dont know. i just do

> know that i HATE to vomit and PB, and that is the deterrent. i just

> think about it and that makes me stop. did you ever pb or vomit? it

> is not fun, and not good for the band. so i just tell myself that

if

> i do anything like that, i will vomit and it scares me.

> glad to hear that you lost the 3lbs. altho i worry that for

sometimes

> if i lose weight in spite of my bad behavior, i figure i can get

away

> with it again. and sometimes i ccan and sometimes i cannot!!! it

> keeps me on my toes!!!

>

>

>

>

> Diane B

>

[Guest guest]

interesting approach! we all have different ways of coping with

this..one size never fits all!!!

what you are really doing is balancing..i prefer to use that term

rather than cheating and making up for it!!!

you see how i try to trick myself????

At 03:18 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:

>I have never PB'd (if that means vomit) but I have had a couple of

>cases of what I call " backwash " where the food gets temporarily stuck

>and I try to burp and I feel the food in the bottom of my throat.

>

>I'm a very lucky person when it comes to vomiting. Even when I have

>the FLU I can usually keep from vomiting. I think I was in the 30's

>last time I vomited (21 years ago).

>

>When I cheat and then lose weight I tell myself that the " cheat "

>hasn't caught up with me yet...which is really true. I usually

>don't 'gain' till a day or so after the " cheat " . So....to keep the

>gain down - I try to be really, really good to make up for it. The

>cheat and then weight loss actually helps me from cheating again -

>kinda like waiting for something bad to happen. I do weigh EVERYDAY -

> once a day - I find that the 'gains' motivate me to do better and

>the losses make me feel GOOD!

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > >Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my good

> > >behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other times I'm

> > >afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm guessing

> > >something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double dinner - I've

> > >only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess that's o.k.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > cindy, glad you related to my advice. i think that we each have to

> > work out what works.

> > i have opted not to have another fill for a while, and it honestly

>is

> > making me a bit nervous....but i swear that eating slowly really

>helps me.

> > maybe i just get bored and want to move on. i dont know. i just do

> > know that i HATE to vomit and PB, and that is the deterrent. i just

> > think about it and that makes me stop. did you ever pb or vomit? it

> > is not fun, and not good for the band. so i just tell myself that

>if

> > i do anything like that, i will vomit and it scares me.

> > glad to hear that you lost the 3lbs. altho i worry that for

>sometimes

> > if i lose weight in spite of my bad behavior, i figure i can get

>away

> > with it again. and sometimes i ccan and sometimes i cannot!!! it

> > keeps me on my toes!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Diane B

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OUCH - Gyros and Pita sounds like it would hurt.

My cheats are getting less and my good behavior and choices are

getting better. I'm just a person that has to " push the envelope "

once in awhile - then I scare myself and I'm good.

I tried an MCD cmall cheeseburger yesterday and could only eat 1/3 of

it (with pain of course). As I sat in my car alone (unjudged) I

looked at myself in the rear view mirror and said, " how stupid

can you be? Why are you eating something that isn't all that tasty

and letting it hurt you? Literally? " So I got out of the car and

threw it away.

So yes...I " m as dumb as they come......

>

> > Although an MCD cheeseburger hurts going down - I can't resist

> > trying. I've NEVER thrown up although at times I'll have a little

> > burp under the last thing I've swallowed. But I'm not easily

> > deterred if I really want to eat something. I can eat bread but

get

> > stuck on toast and butter ??? Now that's weird huh? Right now

I " m

> > working on scaring myself that if I keep cheating I'll stretch my

> > pouch and have to go back for surgery. Now THAT SCARES ME!

>

> Yes, you should be scared. And you should remember " just because you

> can doesn't mean you should " . We've all done occasional " bad

things "

> (well, I know a couple who may be perfect, but I'm not one of them).

>

> As to the bread vs toast, you can't always " make sense " out of these

> things.

>

> And really THINK about it. I should have done so last night. We

were

> at an event and the food was superb gyros. I had a couple bites of

> the pita bread and it was outstanding. So I ate all the pita bread,

> as well as the meat and veggies and cheese. DUMB. It didn't quite

> get stuck, as I ate the whole thing pretty slowly. However, it

really

> was " plugged up " as I was sneezing (one of the clues for me that

I've

> overdone it, or am about to) and just after the last bite (yeah, I

> cleaned my plate) I started to hurt a bit. Needless to say, I was

> stretched or sort of plugged up. How do I know? I could barely get

> any water down a couple hours later. This morning I can barely get

> hot coffee down. I know it will pass, but I probably won't even try

> to have anything solid the rest of the day.

>

> Yeah, DUMB.....

>

> But I'm sure you can be smarter than me.

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > Unfortunately, I have to have things in my house for my 3

> > granddaughters who live next door. Mostly it is things like 100

> > calorie pack snacks, cereal, jello, peaches etc, but every so

often

> > it is also dorritos, pringles and cookies.

>

> , you don't really HAVE TO have that junk in the house for the

> kids. The first thing I taught my kids is " differential behavior " ,

> that you behave differently at grandmas from home, from school, from

> church, from the playground, from the sports team practice, etc.

>

> Part of that includes food. Just because they have chips at home

> doesn't mean they have to (or should) have them at your house. That

> does NOT make you a " mean grandma " . I'll bet there are some other

> things that are different between their house and yours. This could

> be another one.

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

Being perfect is BORING. I just wanna be me.....but a THINNER me.

>

> > dan, i cannot usually keep multiple 100 calorie bags because i

would

> > eat multiple of them.

> > what i need is a single serving bag that i can buy separately,

not

> > part of a box of 6 of those single serving bags.

>

> I understand that issue, but the single serving bags should at least

> help. You have to consciously go get another bag from the cupboard

> instead of just reaching in the bag for another handful of chips, or

> whatever. And some places (usually convenience stores) do sell them

> one at a time. They also cost more that way, which is a good

> deterrent for me.

>

> > i found a single serving ice cream -- which is perfect. every now

an

> > dthen i buy it, eat it that nite, adn it is done with.

> > no calling to me from the freezer.

>

> Hey, if you can do it with ice cream, I'll bet you really can do it

> with cookies or chips or other junk foods.

>

> > single servings is a great idea..but they need to be sold singly.

i

> > am so weak....:-)

> > at least i recognize my weaknesses now and dont try to kid myself.

>

> Absolutely. And you'll keep working on them and making progress,

I'm

> sure. Naaahhh, you'll not likely ever be perfect, but you'll be

> better, and that's what counts.

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

I Love the way you think!

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >Well, all your advice is very good and justifies some of my

good

> > > >behaviors. Sometimes I think I need more fill and other times

I'm

> > > >afraid to chance it. I just lost another 3 pounds so I'm

guessing

> > > >something is working despite the MCD, IHOP and double dinner -

I've

> > > >only cheated those 3 times in the past month so I guess that's

o.k.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > cindy, glad you related to my advice. i think that we each have

to

> > > work out what works.

> > > i have opted not to have another fill for a while, and it

honestly

> >is

> > > making me a bit nervous....but i swear that eating slowly really

> >helps me.

> > > maybe i just get bored and want to move on. i dont know. i just

do

> > > know that i HATE to vomit and PB, and that is the deterrent. i

just

> > > think about it and that makes me stop. did you ever pb or

vomit? it

> > > is not fun, and not good for the band. so i just tell myself

that

> >if

> > > i do anything like that, i will vomit and it scares me.

> > > glad to hear that you lost the 3lbs. altho i worry that for

> >sometimes

> > > if i lose weight in spite of my bad behavior, i figure i can get

> >away

> > > with it again. and sometimes i ccan and sometimes i cannot!!! it

> > > keeps me on my toes!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Diane B

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello cindywebb1667,

Friday, October 26, 2007, 1:29:59 PM, you wrote:

> I tried an MCD cmall cheeseburger yesterday and could only eat 1/3 of

> it (with pain of course). As I sat in my car alone (unjudged) I

> looked at myself in the rear view mirror and said, " how stupid

> can you be? Why are you eating something that isn't all that tasty

> and letting it hurt you? Literally? " So I got out of the car and

> threw it away.

> So yes...I " m as dumb as they come......

No you're not. That was very smart. Eating it is what would have

been dumb.

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...