Guest guest Posted April 22, 2001 Report Share Posted April 22, 2001 This idea contradicts the diet for Type O. I looked at the article and thought that your question might be a good one to ask Dr. D. Include the link in your question so he can read the article too. Hope it's not true since I use a lot of soy powder. Carolyn (O neg, secretor) New Hampshire * * * "Somebody gave this address a while back:wwww.westonaprice.orgAs I was reading the page "Dietary Dangers" on numeral 9. it reads"Avoid products containing protein powders".Does anybody know why would protein powders be detrimental for one'shealth?Thanks!Austin, Tx"Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 One reason is it has a higher biological value than soy (http://www.vitaminconnection.com/101_txt/1200_12_whey_prot.html) it's anit-cancer benefit are twice that of soy (http://www.ast- ss.com/research/cribb/articles/whey_isolate_9-12-00.asp) and according to my hubby, whey is digested faster thus getting nutritants into your system faster. I am sure others on here will know a lot more than me. > Can anyone explain why whey protein is recommended over soy protein? > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Whey is near the top of the quality protein list as far as its ability to contribute to muscle building. Soy is near the bottom, so it's not an optimal protein if your purpose is to build muscle. Other quality protein powders will also contain calcium caseinate, another high quality protein(found in cottage cheese). Soy has some benefits estrogen wise I think but if it appears as the first item in protein powder or bars, I'll leave it on the shelf. Whey isolate is taken up and used by the muscles very quickly. That is why most commercial powders are of a protein " mix. " Whey protein does not last a long time in the system(it's taken up, used and then gone) and the mixes tend to lengthen the duration of the protein's staying power. Read the labels and make sure whey is near the top of the ingredient list. Stasia > > Can anyone explain why whey protein is recommended over soy protein? > > > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 fmkdrcrna wrote: > Can anyone explain why whey protein is recommended over soy protein? > > Fran I believe that there is more protein per gram in whey than in soy. Whey is also more easily digestible by your body Serenity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 From what I read your body can use the whey more effectively than the soy. I use Bio-Chem Ultimate Lo-Carb Whey, 80 calories 20gms protein and 1gm carbs it has no artificial sweeteners either and price about 28.99 for the 30 serving size canister/ .96 a serving. It tastes great in a fruit smoothie and I use in baked goods too. Yeta > What brand of protein powders does everyone use? I have been using > EAS Precision Whey. Are there some cheaper brands of protein powder > that people like? Also, what is the difference between the whey > protein and soy protein? IS one more benefical then the other? > Thanks. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Hi Kate - the best product will be the B protein from www.dadamo.com <http://www.dadamo.com/> otherwise look for " " " " CLEAN " " " whey or milk protein. ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com protein powders * I am looking for a protein powder B compatible. My brother-in-law has been diagnosed with an as yet unnamed cancer. He has been told to expect to lose 25 pounds during treatment, something he cannot afford to do. He only weighs about 150 now. We were looking for something to help him add nutrition during the phase where eating will be very difficult (they will be radiating his neck area.) Any advice anyone can give will be forwarded along to my sister who will have to do the cooking for her husband. Oh, he is lactose intolerant, not a great thing for a B type. Thanks, Kate in sunny so. CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 , thanks - one more question - how will the whey or milk protein affect someone who is lactose intolerant (yes, I know he is a B, but that's the reality)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Whey is lactose free. You take lactase tablets for awhile. Also he is lacking potassium ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Re: RE: protein powders , thanks - one more question - how will the whey or milk protein affect someone who is lactose intolerant (yes, I know he is a B, but that's the reality)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 thanks > > From: " THOMAS DEKANY " <tdekany@...> > Date: 2004/09/19 Sun PM 10:25:32 GMT > < > > Subject: RE: RE: protein powders > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Dear, Why don't you try the " Nutrilite Powder " produced by " AMWAY " . It can be purchased through an AMWAY distributor. ERNST THOMAS DEKANY <tdekany@...> wrote: Hi Kate - the best product will be the B protein from www.dadamo.com <http://www.dadamo.com/> otherwise look for " " " " CLEAN " " " whey or milk protein. ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com protein powders * I am looking for a protein powder B compatible. My brother-in-law has been diagnosed with an as yet unnamed cancer. He has been told to expect to lose 25 pounds during treatment, something he cannot afford to do. He only weighs about 150 now. We were looking for something to help him add nutrition during the phase where eating will be very difficult (they will be radiating his neck area.) Any advice anyone can give will be forwarded along to my sister who will have to do the cooking for her husband. Oh, he is lactose intolerant, not a great thing for a B type. Thanks, Kate in sunny so. CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Please, por favor? AMWAY? ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com protein powders * I am looking for a protein powder B compatible. My brother-in-law has been diagnosed with an as yet unnamed cancer. He has been told to expect to lose 25 pounds during treatment, something he cannot afford to do. He only weighs about 150 now. We were looking for something to help him add nutrition during the phase where eating will be very difficult (they will be radiating his neck area.) Any advice anyone can give will be forwarded along to my sister who will have to do the cooking for her husband. Oh, he is lactose intolerant, not a great thing for a B type. Thanks, Kate in sunny so. CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Please give us the ingredients on the lable, then we can come closer to giving an honest opinion. protein powders > > * I am looking for a protein powder B compatible. My > brother-in-law has been diagnosed with an as yet unnamed cancer. He has > been told to expect to lose 25 pounds during treatment, something he > cannot afford to do. He only weighs about 150 now. We were looking for > something to help him add nutrition during the phase where eating will > be very difficult (they will be radiating his neck area.) Any advice > anyone can give will be forwarded along to my sister who will have to do > the cooking for her husband. Oh, he is lactose intolerant, not a great > thing for a B type. > > Thanks, Kate in sunny so. CA > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 The Amway (which is now called Quixtar) has whey in it which is an avoid for O's. I checked it out today. Had a rep come over with a sample of the ready made version. She is going to check out the powdered, but is pretty sure it has it also. At least in Canada, eh. Debbie > > Hi Kate - the best product will be the B protein from www.dadamo.com > > <http://www.dadamo.com/> otherwise look for " " " " CLEAN " " " whey or milk > > protein. > > > > > > > > ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com > > protein powders > > > > * I am looking for a protein powder B compatible. My > > brother-in-law has been diagnosed with an as yet unnamed cancer. He has > > been told to expect to lose 25 pounds during treatment, something he > > cannot afford to do. He only weighs about 150 now. We were looking for > > something to help him add nutrition during the phase where eating will > > be very difficult (they will be radiating his neck area.) Any advice > > anyone can give will be forwarded along to my sister who will have to do > > the cooking for her husband. Oh, he is lactose intolerant, not a great > > thing for a B type. > > > > Thanks, Kate in sunny so. CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 > > > Don't know about Canada, but in the states just order NAP's organic O > protein. Why give your business to a company that laughs at the BT > theory and labels formulas that are good sellers? Most companies don't > give a rats ass weather the formula will hurt you or help you. > > Wake up people! > Hi Group Members, Your strong remark has got me thinking! Who is on our side, having the best interest of the little guy in mind?? http://www.supplementwatch.com/ http://www.consumerlabs.com/ Or don't they give a RA either...... including Better Business Bureau, who didn't give a RA about my latest query! http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible/ Your feelings? BURNing daylight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Would love to order NAP's organic protein powder, but like alot of people I am on a limited budget. Once I pay for the powder and exchange/duty it really adds up for here in Canada. If anyone in Canada (Ontario preferably) knows of any place that it is sold here I would really appreciate it. Someone had mentioned that Amyway (Quixtar) sold a protein drink and I just checked it out and it is not compliant, that's all. Debbie (Northern Ontario, Canada) Re: protein powders > > > Don't know about Canada, but in the states just order NAP's organic O > protein. Why give your business to a company that laughs at the BT > theory and labels formulas that are good sellers? Most companies don't > give a rats ass weather the formula will hurt you or help you. > > Wake up people! > Hi Group Members, Your strong remark has got me thinking! Who is on our side, having the best interest of the little guy in mind?? http://www.supplementwatch.com/ http://www.consumerlabs.com/ Or don't they give a RA either...... including Better Business Bureau, who didn't give a RA about my latest query! http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible/ Your feelings? BURNing daylight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Forget about Amway. Eat organic eggs or get some egg protein without any sugars. Better yet, keep your meat intake high enough so you don't have to pay " too much " " for man made items. ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Re: Re: protein powders Would love to order NAP's organic protein powder, but like alot of people I am on a limited budget. Once I pay for the powder and exchange/duty it really adds up for here in Canada. If anyone in Canada (Ontario preferably) knows of any place that it is sold here I would really appreciate it. Someone had mentioned that Amyway (Quixtar) sold a protein drink and I just checked it out and it is not compliant, that's all. Debbie (Northern Ontario, Canada) Re: protein powders > > > Don't know about Canada, but in the states just order NAP's organic O > protein. Why give your business to a company that laughs at the BT > theory and labels formulas that are good sellers? Most companies don't > give a rats ass weather the formula will hurt you or help you. > > Wake up people! > Hi Group Members, Your strong remark has got me thinking! Who is on our side, having the best interest of the little guy in mind?? http://www.supplementwatch.com/ http://www.consumerlabs.com/ Or don't they give a RA either...... including Better Business Bureau, who didn't give a RA about my latest query! http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible/ Your feelings? BURNing daylight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I agree with , I'm not enthusiastic about packaged, processed foods, even if they are " Natural " -- I was just reading in a book " Nourishing Traditions " by Sally Fallon, that in powdered eggs and powdered milk, the cholestrol is damaged from the processing, and harmful. You can make a protein drink with fruit juice and a raw egg in the blender. Be sure to use an organic egg. The non-organic eggs are full of bacteria. Good luck! - T --- wrote: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:40:55 -0400 From: " THOMAS DEKANY " <tdekany@...> Subject: RE: Re: protein powders Forget about Amway. Eat organic eggs or get some egg protein without any sugars. Better yet, keep your meat intake high enough so you don't have to pay " too much " " for man made items. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 In a message dated 9/27/2004 6:32:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bloggertypeo@... writes: Does graded just mean like Grade AA? I think the grade has to do with size or it used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Egg white protein powder doesn't have any fat or cholesterol so it doesn't have the problem you are talking about. Powdered whole egg, powdered egg yolk, and powdered milk have cholesterol and have the problem of COPs (cholesterol oxydation products). Other products can have the same problem. This is from Heidi's column: " Regarding organic whole egg protein powder, your readers might be interested to know that the powdering process has been shown to oxidize the cholesterol in the egg yolk. The result is an extremely unhealthy processed food product(same with powdered milk), since oxidized cholesterol is believed to be a major factor in heart disease. For references, see http://www.nlfd.gov.tw/jfda/content/74/01.pdf http://www.nlfd.gov.tw/jfda/content/81/01.pdf This is another example of where we should not mess with mother nature. Roy " Don Re: protein powders I was just reading in a book " Nourishing Traditions " by Sally Fallon, that in powdered eggs and powdered milk, the cholestrol is damaged from the processing, and harmful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Tamara Tornado wrote: Be sure to use an organic egg. The non-organic eggs are full > of bacteria. Hi Tamara, How do you mean the non-organic eggs are full of bacteria? Is there any guarantee that organic fowls have no infected ovaries? Per the statistics I looked up via google searching, the USA has 1 egg in 10,000 infected internally with Salmonella Enteritidis due to the hen having an infected ovary (with no symptoms for the hen) - so that the salmonella gets into the egg before the shell is formed. The problem started, or was first recognized in 1985 in MAryland with a chain of restaurants getting eggs from infected hens. It has spread. There is a concerted effort to halve the problem by 2005 and eliminate it by 2010, by removing infected lines of hens from production. Having bacteria *inside* eggs is a new thing. It used to be that you got salmonella on the outside of eggs from fecal contamination during laying, so that if you washed the eggs you were okay. The systems that get these eggs refrigerated soonest, and sent to market refrigerated, will have the least bacterial contamination and toxin - and in my experience organic eggs are less likely to be handled refrigerated from the start, coming from smaller farms without such equipment. The bacteria multiply if the egg is over 45 degrees. Also I would stick to graded eggs, as those have been washed and oiled (oiling is needed to keep the egg impermeable to outside bacteria.) I live in the PNW and the main problem with the particular salmonella in USA is in the NE area. So far I have been lucky I suppose, but I regularly eat raw egg - always graded egg so I know the outside was washed clean and oiled, and from a source that refrigerates between farm and market. Hopefully the incidence of hens with infected ovaries (which do not make the hen ill however) is lower in organic eggs - but there is no mechanism to ensure it is lower, is there? Egg protein powders are safe as they are pasteurized as part of the process. Most problematic are hard cooked eggs as the " impermeable membrane " of the egg is compromised in cooking and the egg is exposed after cooking to outside contamination through pores in the shell. People tend to assume the hard cooked egg is safe and clean in its shell, but it is not, and needs to be kept refrigerated. (Egg hunts can be risky business.) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I wonder how the lack of antibiotics affects ovary infection rates...are they healthier in general because of their antibiotic-free free-ranging vegetarian ways? Or would antibiotics knock out the infection? I'm inclined to think that it makes them healthier to be free of antibiotics, but the issue of refrigeration is a good point I haven't thought of before. I think the eggs I buy were produced in pretty large quantities, as I buy them at Costco. They're not organic, but they are omega-3 eggs from vegetarian, hormone-free & antibiotic-free hens. Does graded just mean like Grade AA? A store in town used to sell pasteurized whole eggs, but stopped, which is a pity with egg-nog season approaching. I usually don't dare to eat eggs raw, but have been known to. Re: Re: protein powders Tamara Tornado wrote: Be sure to use an organic egg. The non-organic eggs are full > of bacteria. Hi Tamara, How do you mean the non-organic eggs are full of bacteria? Is there any guarantee that organic fowls have no infected ovaries? Per the statistics I looked up via google searching, the USA has 1 egg in 10,000 infected internally with Salmonella Enteritidis due to the hen having an infected ovary (with no symptoms for the hen) - so that the salmonella gets into the egg before the shell is formed. The problem started, or was first recognized in 1985 in MAryland with a chain of restaurants getting eggs from infected hens. It has spread. There is a concerted effort to halve the problem by 2005 and eliminate it by 2010, by removing infected lines of hens from production. Having bacteria *inside* eggs is a new thing. It used to be that you got salmonella on the outside of eggs from fecal contamination during laying, so that if you washed the eggs you were okay. The systems that get these eggs refrigerated soonest, and sent to market refrigerated, will have the least bacterial contamination and toxin - and in my experience organic eggs are less likely to be handled refrigerated from the start, coming from smaller farms without such equipment. The bacteria multiply if the egg is over 45 degrees. Also I would stick to graded eggs, as those have been washed and oiled (oiling is needed to keep the egg impermeable to outside bacteria.) I live in the PNW and the main problem with the particular salmonella in USA is in the NE area. So far I have been lucky I suppose, but I regularly eat raw egg - always graded egg so I know the outside was washed clean and oiled, and from a source that refrigerates between farm and market. Hopefully the incidence of hens with infected ovaries (which do not make the hen ill however) is lower in organic eggs - but there is no mechanism to ensure it is lower, is there? Egg protein powders are safe as they are pasteurized as part of the process. Most problematic are hard cooked eggs as the " impermeable membrane " of the egg is compromised in cooking and the egg is exposed after cooking to outside contamination through pores in the shell. People tend to assume the hard cooked egg is safe and clean in its shell, but it is not, and needs to be kept refrigerated. (Egg hunts can be risky business.) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Maddviking@... wrote: > In a message dated 9/27/2004 6:32:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bloggertypeo@... writes: > Does > graded just mean like Grade AA? > > I think the grade has to do with size or it used to. No actually - size is separate from grading. Size goes by the weight of a dozen eggs, and depending on the range that it is, they get a size designation. Grading is separate. Grading in USA has AA, A and B. All USA graded eggs have been washed and oiled for preservation. AA eggs are the ones which stand up at attention when you break them and put them on a plate - so the yolk stands up high and the white does not spread far. Grade A eggs - the usual ones in the grocery store - have moderate yolk height when broken and wider spread of albumen (the white). B grade eggs kinda go splat and spread around when you break them. Usually B grade is used for egg products rather than fresh eggs. A good restaurant will use AA for friend eggs cos they look better. Nutritionally they are suppposedly not different (but I have my doubts). Grading is all to do with this height when broken and not to do with nutrition at all. The yolk can be different colours according to what the hen ate - light for corn fed, darker for other feeds with more carotene. The grading comes two ways - with or without a stamp on the container. The ones with a stamp - can't remember how the stamp looks - conform to Federal specs which are usually more stringent about refrigeration etc, the others with grade but no stamp conform to state specs (which could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on state regs.) Egg grading is voluntary by the way. Age of the egg is another matter altogether. This has to do with how much air space is in the egg. When it is laid it is 105 degrees temp, and as it cools, it sucks a air space in the big end. It is a small space to start with. As the egg ages, the yolk dries and absorbs fluid from the white which in turn shrinks making the air space in the big end bigger. So if you want to know how fresh/new the eggs are, put them up to a candle or close light to se the size of the air space. Big space - old egg :-) An old egg can be safe to eat if it is in the fridge all the time - a really old egg will have enough air to float. If it is out of the fridge and old, then you do not want to eat it. Um - WA state makes people in the food handling industry study for a " food handler's permit " which is where I got this info. (I have a food handling permit as I handle homeopathic remedies to repackage them.) In WA you are not allowed to even serve coffee without a FHP or even go into a kitchen that is not your own without one :-) Terribly over-regulated place! By the way do not assume grading of eggs elsewhere is like in USA - it is not. For example in South Africa A and B are grades for looks - just two categories, not three. But AA means washed and A is not washed. BB is washed and B is not washed. The not washed is cheaper and you get to wash your own eggs before breaking them (as salmonella can be on the surface. USA is far more baby-sitting in their rules. We get to have some oil or other to replace the protective coating added by the hen, which is washed off in processing of all graded eggs during washing. (It also comes off during hard-boiling, and without a coating, bacteria can get in.) So now we are all egg-heads :-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 In a message dated 9/27/2004 7:38:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, furryboots@... writes: An old egg can be safe to eat if it is in the fridge all the time - a really old egg will have enough air to float. Gack!!! and we used to store eggs in the bilges on the submarine for a 90 day load out before patrol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 In a message dated 9/28/2004 5:47:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, furryboots@... writes: Did your eggs ever float about in the bilgewater? LOL--No but they would turn a little green and taste kinda funny toward the end of the patrol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Maddviking@... wrote: > Gack!!! and we used to store eggs in the bilges on the submarine for a 90 > day load out before patrol. It was probably cool down there? And maybe a bit oily to preserve egg surface? It's a recent thing that eggs have salmonella *inside* them, it is only if the hens have infected ovaries that it happens. Before that new thing, eggs were quite safe a long time as bacteria were on the outside only - and inside it was nice and safe so long as the hen's oily film remained :-) Did your eggs ever float about in the bilgewater? :-) Eggs that go off practically always smell of sulphur dioxide. It's a serious clue if you smell it :-) ....Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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