Re: Raw eggs was: Protein powders

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There is no comparison to raw milk versus

organic. Most organic milk is still

misleading in the fact that the cows are not on pasture but still live on plain

old dirt and are fed grains. I

would recommend checking the raw dairy though to make sure of their practices

and that the cows are grass fed, etc.

Here is a great website that explains almost everything about raw

milk. www.raw-milk-facts.com. Also check out www.realmilk.com.

That is the Weston a Price site that

explains all about raw milk and even gives good info on finding a good raw milk

farm. I love my raw milk and will

not drink anything else but I know my sources.

Allyn

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From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Linn

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006

2:06 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Raw eggs

was: Protein powders

Figures,

more scare tactics. Somebody sent me an email the other day about a

" new " form of breast cancer. Not that I think that it's unimportant

by any means, but those sort of items I think do more harm than good. I asked

my friend where all the email notices are that tell you how to avoid breast

cancer or other types of cancer in the first place. No response. Most people

don't want to hear about how to prevent anything. They just want to continue

with all the bad habits and then take something for it.

Anyway,

just to avoid any MSG that is possibly included I think I'll avoid the protein

powder for a while and see if I notice any difference. I think I'll try eating

the eggs instead and see how I feel. I can always cook them if I can't bring

myself to eat them raw. :-)

We

have a raw milk dairy in here in Texas which is a little

over an hour away from here. I've been very tempted to make the drive and start

buying milk there. With the price increases it's not much more expensive than

the organic milk. I was told that you could freeze it.

Linn

On Jul 5, 2006, at 12:38 AM, Lynn McGaha wrote:

My usual breakfast is a smoothie of 8 oz. of raw milk

kefir, 1/2 a banana, 1 TBS powdered kelp, 1 TBS Labs Nutritional Yeast,

and 1 raw egg yolk. I've done this for about 4 years, and I've never gotten

sick. Although I do buy my eggs directly from a farm family. www.mercola.com had an article

about the supposed dangers of raw eggs, and he didn't think there was much

hazard, even if using commercial eggs.

Lynn M.

..

[Guest guest]

With enough sweetener and some fruits you

would be surprised what you can sneak in! LOL Kefir and raw eggs are amazing. Eggs are one of the highest sources of pure

protein (the whites) and the yolks have good fats and other nutrients.

Allyn

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From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Ives

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7:55 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Raw eggs

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I have left raw, unwashed eggs on the counter for

weeks and used them with

no problem. Winter or summer. As a matter of fact, I purposely leave eggs

(from my own chickens) out in the counter for a few weeks to make them get

" old " faster so I can use them for hard-boiled eggs. You can't get

the

shell off hard-boiled eggs from fresh eggs!

Fascinating re: the kefir. So if I add some kefir and raw egg to my morning

smoothie, that will be a good protein source? Along with some fruit and

banana? Maybe I can sneak a bit of coconut oil in there too. I need to

figure out a recipe to try. Thanks! This way I can sneak some of the

vitamin supplements into my daughter. I might be able to sneak some iodine

in there, too ;-)

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

>

> But the fact is, if you eat the egg with kefir, your chances

> are even less, because kefir kills salmonella (and e-coli).

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>From: Linn <linnmiller@...>

Most people don't want to hear

>about how to prevent anything. They just want to continue with all the

>bad habits and then take something for it.

Actually, most people are taught that there's science behind what the FDA,

the medical profession, and the drug companies tell us. So, they don't

necessarily know there's a way to prevent problems. After all, if the FDA

approved Nutrasweet, it must be safe.

Most people don't understand what's going on until they've struggled for a

long time with health problems.

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in my experience over the last 30 years I hate to say it, but I have found most people don’t care because it takes a bit of effort and takes them out of their comfort zones. I have a friend who had gastric bypass surgery in the last year and eats only junk still!! I have preached and preached and now have just given up. She looks awful and never feels good, you can tell by the way she looks. I finally said, '' I thought you got this surgery to be healthier and all you eat is popcorn (and it is the microwave stuff with soy oil)" She says she gets her nutrition in the pills she takes every day. I guess when her organs start failing she might realize she has to do more than take pills and eat popcorn!

I have another friend who has two teen daughters who have some minor problems. I have talked and talked and she finally got some raw milk but her husband won't allow them to drink it. It is so amazing to me that they don't see the reality of it. I can go on and on with stories. Friends with cancer and friends with young people who are getting cancer and they think I am nuts that is is the food and actually believe that these problems have always been that way.

I will not stop talking about it though because every now and then you get someone who really wants to know and that makes it all worthwhile.

Allyn

Re: Raw eggs was: Protein powders

>From: Linn <linnmiller@...>Most people don't want to hear>about how to prevent anything. They just want to continue with all the >bad habits and then take something for it.Actually, most people are taught that there's science behind what the FDA, the medical profession, and the drug companies tell us. So, they don't necessarily know there's a way to prevent problems. After all, if the FDA approved Nutrasweet, it must be safe.Most people don't understand what's going on until they've struggled for a long time with health problems.Skipper_________________________________________________________________Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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>From: " allyn ferris " <aferris7272@...>

>in my experience over the last 30 years I hate to say it, but I have found

>most people don't care because it takes a bit of effort and takes them out

>of their comfort zones. I have a friend who had gastric bypass surgery in

>the last year and eats only junk still!! I have preached and preached and

>now have just given up. She looks awful and never feels good, you can tell

>by the way she looks. I finally said, '' I thought you got this surgery to

>be healthier and all you eat is popcorn (and it is the microwave stuff with

>soy oil) "

Not to mention coated in teflon, which the EPA even admits now is bad for

you.

http://www.mercola.com/2006/dec/8/isnt_that_teflon_in_your_microwave_popcorn.htm

>I have another friend who has two teen daughters who have some minor

>problems. I have talked and talked and she finally got some raw milk but

>her husband won't allow them to drink it. It is so amazing to me that they

>don't see the reality of it.

You can't blame them. I know someone who's about 65 and grew up on a dairy

farm. I remember him talking to another old person about how they

remembered the illnesses that were caused by milk not being homogenized.

The former dairy farmer talked about how that was around the time the mother

decided they weren't permitted to drink milk from their cows any more, but

had to get if from the dairy after it was pasteurized and homogenized. The

importance of this was obviously beat into the people, and I'm sure it

didn't help if they knew people who were actually harmed by the raw milk not

being properly handled.

They made it so even the farmers didn't trust their own product.

Looking at the world differently these days, I have to ask what the hype was

about? Maybe the goal was to make it so milk wasn't simply a local product,

but could be more mass produced by large corporations.

When I was growing up, there was no doubt white flour and bread were good

wholesome products. I never heard anything about whole grains, or how they

took the nutrients out of it in processing. We're kind of trained to think

that the government and the food industry have our best interests at heart,

always.

Your friend that eats mainly popcorn, that's another matter. But, most

people don't eat well because they're not as informed as they should be.

After all, why wouldn't you think our food supply was perfectly safe and

healthy? Doesn't the government and the corporations look out for us?

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I see where you are coming from but if you really listen to the news you hear all kinds of things but we tend to ignore them. There are articles about pasteurized milk all the time. A couple months ago Walmart hit the news because they had to recall tons of milk. I also have to say some of it is common sense. If people simply read the labels on what 90% of Americans eat they should question about half of what is on there seeing as most of it is chemicals. Like when the big low fat thing came out and everything became low fat all they did was take out the good saturated fat and add back chemicals and sugar. I am not kidding. Read the labels on some of that stuff. Same with the ATkins. They went the other way but again in reading the labels it was a lot of chemicals. There is a lot of discussion today on our food supply, mad cow, etc., but it is easier to ignore it than to find alternatives. I know, I am very specific about what I eat and now I buy almost all my food directly from farmers, etc. and if you don't think that takes time to organize where and when the food is coming in etc. I will tell it does. I am, thankfully, self employed, so I can go pick up my food during the day and sometimes several times a week. I even pick up for about 4 of my friends and employees. So it is a commitment to be able to change the average American lifestyle. Plus I now make all my own condiments like mayonnaise. People think that is amazing but it really only takes me about 5 minutes to make. But if I want to eat the food I feel is necessary to be healthy I feel it is worth the time and energy. But that is my opinion and not all people feel that way. It is easier to go pick up some frozen, packaged or whatever at the grocery store.

JMO

Allyn

Re: Raw eggs was: Protein powders

>From: "allyn ferris" <aferris7272@...>>in my experience over the last 30 years I hate to say it, but I have found >most people don't care because it takes a bit of effort and takes them out >of their comfort zones. I have a friend who had gastric bypass surgery in >the last year and eats only junk still!! I have preached and preached and >now have just given up. She looks awful and never feels good, you can tell >by the way she looks. I finally said, '' I thought you got this surgery to >be healthier and all you eat is popcorn (and it is the microwave stuff with >soy oil)"Not to mention coated in teflon, which the EPA even admits now is bad for you.http://www.mercola.com/2006/dec/8/isnt_that_teflon_in_your_microwave_popcorn.htm>I have another friend who has two teen daughters who have some minor >problems. I have talked and talked and she finally got some raw milk but >her husband won't allow them to drink it. It is so amazing to me that they >don't see the reality of it.You can't blame them. I know someone who's about 65 and grew up on a dairy farm. I remember him talking to another old person about how they remembered the illnesses that were caused by milk not being homogenized. The former dairy farmer talked about how that was around the time the mother decided they weren't permitted to drink milk from their cows any more, but had to get if from the dairy after it was pasteurized and homogenized. The importance of this was obviously beat into the people, and I'm sure it didn't help if they knew people who were actually harmed by the raw milk not being properly handled.They made it so even the farmers didn't trust their own product.Looking at the world differently these days, I have to ask what the hype was about? Maybe the goal was to make it so milk wasn't simply a local product, but could be more mass produced by large corporations.When I was growing up, there was no doubt white flour and bread were good wholesome products. I never heard anything about whole grains, or how they took the nutrients out of it in processing. We're kind of trained to think that the government and the food industry have our best interests at heart, always.Your friend that eats mainly popcorn, that's another matter. But, most people don't eat well because they're not as informed as they should be. After all, why wouldn't you think our food supply was perfectly safe and healthy? Doesn't the government and the corporations look out for us?Skipper_________________________________________________________________Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Ives wrote:

> Fascinating re: the kefir. So if I add some kefir and raw egg to my morning

> smoothie, that will be a good protein source? Along with some fruit and

> banana? Maybe I can sneak a bit of coconut oil in there too. I need to

> figure out a recipe to try. Thanks! This way I can sneak some of the

> vitamin supplements into my daughter. I might be able to sneak some iodine

> in there, too ;-)

>

I don't know what the taste is of iodine drops, but I've put seaweed

in smoothies (and things like beans). It adds a bit of rich

salty taste, which actually makes fruit taste sweeter. Seaweed

is full of trace elements, so I try to sneak it into my kids.

They like sushi too: you can make sushi with anything, not just

raw fish. Smoked salmon works good.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Can you share some recipes? How do you make healthy mayo? I don't eat it, but the family does, and they will only eat Hellmans, yuck.

Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~

and if you don't think that takes time to organize where and when the food is coming in etc. I will tell it does. I am, thankfully, self employed, so I can go pick up my food during the day and sometimes several times a week. I even pick up for about 4 of my friends and employees. So it is a commitment to be able to change the average American lifestyle. Plus I now make all my own condiments like mayonnaise. People think that is amazing but it really only takes me about 5 minutes to make. But if I want to eat the food I feel is necessary to be healthy I feel it is worth the time and energy. But that is my opinion and not all people feel that way. It is easier to go pick up some frozen, packaged or whatever at the grocery store.

JMO

Allyn

[Guest guest]

We LOVE Sushi, kids love it too. Except for the $$$.

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

> I don't know what the taste is of iodine drops, but I've put seaweed

> in smoothies (and things like beans). It adds a bit of rich

> salty taste, which actually makes fruit taste sweeter. Seaweed

> is full of trace elements, so I try to sneak it into my kids.

> They like sushi too: you can make sushi with anything, not just

> raw fish. Smoked salmon works good.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Allyn, have read through both of those before, that's how I found the dairy in .  At least with the organic milk, I feel like my daughter is not getting the antibiotics.  LinnOn Jul 5, 2006, at 6:42 AM, ALLYN FERRIS wrote:There is no comparison to raw milk versus organic.  Most organic milk is still misleading in the fact that the cows are not on pasture but still live on plain old dirt and are fed grains.  I would recommend checking the raw dairy though to make sure of their practices and that the cows are grass fed, etc. Here is a great website that explains almost everything about raw milk.  www.raw-milk-facts.com.  Also check out www.realmilk.com.That is the Weston a Price site that explains all about raw milk and even gives good info on finding a good raw milk farm.  I love my raw milk and will not drink anything else but I know my sources.Allyn  <image001.jpg>PRIORITY INVESTMENTS N' KOLLATERAL,INC.ALLYN FERRISPRESIDENTAFERRIS@...4548A WEST VILLAGE DR.TAMPA, FL 33624tel: 813-961-1500fax: 813-996-9571mobile: 813-391-7965  Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this?  From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Linn Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:06 AMiodine Subject: Re: Raw eggs was: Protein powders             Figures, more scare tactics. Somebody sent me an email the other day about a "new" form of breast cancer. Not that I think that it's unimportant by any means, but those sort of items I think do more harm than good. I asked my friend where all the email notices are that tell you how to avoid breast cancer or other types of cancer in the first place. No response. Most people don't want to hear about how to prevent anything. They just want to continue with all the bad habits and then take something for it.            Anyway, just to avoid any MSG that is possibly included I think I'll avoid the protein powder for a while and see if I notice any difference. I think I'll try eating the eggs instead and see how I feel. I can always cook them if I can't bring myself to eat them raw. :-)            We have a raw milk dairy in here in Texas which is a little over an hour away from here. I've been very tempted to make the drive and start buying milk there. With the price increases it's not much more expensive than the organic milk. I was told that you could freeze it. LinnOn Jul 5, 2006, at 12:38 AM, Lynn McGaha wrote: My usual breakfast is a smoothie of 8 oz. of raw milk kefir, 1/2 a banana, 1 TBS powdered kelp, 1 TBS Labs Nutritional Yeast, and 1 raw egg yolk. I've done this for about 4 years, and I've never gotten sick. Although I do buy my eggs directly from a farm family.www.mercola.com had an article about the supposed dangers of raw eggs, and he didn't think there was much hazard, even if using commercial eggs.Lynn M.. 

[Guest guest]

IT is pretty easy. I blend one whole egg

with one egg yolk, 1 tablespoon of organic mustard, 1.5 tablespoon of vinegar

(or lemon juice), 1 tablespoon of whey (optional). Then I take the round thing

off my blender top and with the blender on I pour in approx. 1 cup olive oil

(more or less) slowly until it thickens. Also throw in some good celtic sea

salt to taste. I do use coconut oil sometimes for about a third of the olive

oil. I have also used safflower oil but I really try to stay away from all

vegetable oils except olive because of the high omega 6. If you add the whey

then let it sit on the counter for 7-12 hours to produce the nice probiotic cultures.

It also helps it to last longer. Really only takes about 5 minutes.

Allyn

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Ives

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006

6:28 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Raw eggs

was: Protein powders

Can you share some recipes? How do you

make healthy mayo? I don't eat it, but the family does, and they will

only eat Hellmans, yuck.

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

purpose of storing dead batteries.~

and if you don't think that takes time to organize where and

when the food is coming in etc. I will tell it does. I am, thankfully,

self employed, so I can go pick up my food during the day and sometimes several

times a week. I even pick up for about 4 of my friends and employees. So it is

a commitment to be able to change the average American lifestyle. Plus I

now make all my own condiments like mayonnaise. People think that is

amazing but it really only takes me about 5 minutes to make. But if I want to

eat the food I feel is necessary to be healthy I feel it is worth the time and

energy. But that is my opinion and not all people feel that way. It

is easier to go pick up some frozen, packaged or whatever at the grocery store.

JMO

Allyn

[Guest guest]

Allyn, That's been my experience also. If it requires changing habits and being proactive or depriving themselves of something they feel they have to have, then most people aren't the least bit interested.  My husband was overweight for about 15 years, eating was his way of handling stress.  He travels a lot and was eating out at great restaurants a lot, so it was easy to put on the weight.  Little by little it adds up, year after year.  He lost some here and there but kept going back to his bad habits slowly but surely.  He finally decided he'd had it and took it off for good several years ago.  He lost about 80 pounds.  All our friends and acquaintances were just awed and would ask how he did it.  When he would tell them that he started eating right and exercising regularly, you could see people's faces fall.  They were so disappointed, they just knew there had to be some magic pill that he took that miraculously took the weight off.   I do a lot of research regarding diabetes and know many people with both types.  Type 2 diabetes is very easily controlled the majority of the time with diet and exercise, especially if you eliminate sugars and any bad fats in your diet.  Very few diabetics want to do this.  They and their doctors unfortunately tell them they can still eat the crap that passes for food as long as they take their meds.  It just makes me nuts.  I have a very hard time keeping my mouth shut when I see that.  One of my husband's cousins found out he had Type 2 last year.  Last time we were there visiting he had been to Mc's for lunch and was making creme brulee for dessert and then was wondering why his blood sugar was so high later in the evening.  Our relatives tell me that he does try and that it's really hard.  I'm the mother of a Type 1 diabetic, gee do I not know how difficult the most serious form of diabetes is????  They think I'm nuts when I tell them the side effects of diabetic drugs, it couldn't be true or they wouldn't be able to market them, right?  I could go on and on.  I don't think it's that the information isn't easily available, I think it's because we don't want to hear it.  We want the easy way out  We want to be able to eat all fast food, pizza, ice cream, sweets, soft drinks, etc. and in order to do that we are willing to take all the drugs for the symptoms that these foods cause us, and we don't want anybody pointing out that maybe, just maybe, we could actually have a choice in the matter by taking responsibility for our own health.  I do think we are all taught that doctors know best and they are there to help us, but I also think that very few of us read anything anymore and it certainly seems like very few have much historical recall for anything.  Most people have lost any ability to question anything, they just take verbatim anything they are told, without so much as a reference to verify or check it out for ourselves.  We have no clue how our bodies operate but much worse, very few of us even want to know when it is pointed out.   My older daughter had aplastic anemia which is one of a few diseases that is actually worse than cancer.  We were around a lot of pediatric cancer patients while she was ill, and I was mortified at how those children were allowed to eat and how the majority of the parents took a backseat to their child's care.  It was as if the parent's lost their ability to think when faced with the situation and didn't question anything.  At a time in your life when you most need your wits about you, most were just overwhelmed and easily manipulated.  I think that happens a lot when people are faced with illness, whether it's their own or their child's.  We're trained to accept the status quo and not rock the boat.  But worse than that, lots of people don't even WANT to think for their selves.   Anyway, that's enough for my soapbox.LinnOn Jul 5, 2006, at 10:20 AM, allyn ferris wrote:in my experience over the last 30 years I hate to say it, but I have found most people don’t care because it takes a bit of effort and takes them out of their comfort zones.  I have a friend who had gastric bypass surgery in the last year and eats only junk still!! I have preached and preached and now have just given up.  She looks awful and never feels good, you can tell by the way she looks.  I finally said, '' I thought you got this surgery to be . 

[Guest guest]

I couldn’t agree with you more. Even the people who want help from me want me

to do it all for them. Make their

Kombucha, kefir, order their stuff for them, pick it up and so on. Most of these are my employees and they think

I have nothing to do. Fortunately for

them I want them to

change their ways so I am willing to do it but cheez! Learn to help your

selves a little!! LOL.

allyn

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From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Linn

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006

8:55 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Raw eggs

was: Protein powders

Allyn,

That's been my experience also. If

it requires changing habits and being proactive or depriving themselves of

something they feel they have to have, then most people aren't the least bit

interested. My husband was overweight for about 15 years, eating was his

way of handling stress. He travels a lot and was eating out at great

restaurants a lot, so it was easy to put on the weight. Little by little

it adds up, year after year. He lost some here and there but kept going

back to his bad habits slowly but surely. He finally decided he'd had it

and took it off for good several years ago. He lost about 80

pounds. All our friends and acquaintances were just awed and would ask

how he did it. When he would tell them that he started eating right and

exercising regularly, you could see people's faces fall. They were so

disappointed, they just knew there had to be some magic pill that he took that

miraculously took the weight off.

I do a lot of research regarding

diabetes and know many people with both types. Type 2 diabetes is very

easily controlled the majority of the time with diet and exercise, especially

if you eliminate sugars and any bad fats in your diet. Very few diabetics

want to do this. They and their doctors unfortunately tell them they can

still eat the crap that passes for food as long as they take their meds.

It just makes me nuts. I have a very hard time keeping my mouth shut when

I see that. One of my husband's cousins found out he had Type 2 last

year. Last time we were there visiting he had been to Mc's for

lunch and was making creme brulee for dessert and then was wondering why his

blood sugar was so high later in the evening. Our relatives tell me that

he does try and that it's really hard. I'm the mother of a Type 1 diabetic,

gee do I not know how difficult the most serious form of diabetes is????

They think I'm nuts when I tell them the side effects of diabetic drugs, it

couldn't be true or they wouldn't be able to market them, right? I could

go on and on. I don't think it's that the information isn't easily

available, I think it's because we don't want to hear it. We want the

easy way out We want to be able to eat all fast food, pizza, ice cream,

sweets, soft drinks, etc. and in order to do that we are willing to take all

the drugs for the symptoms that these foods cause us, and we don't want anybody

pointing out that maybe, just maybe, we could actually have a choice in the

matter by taking responsibility for our own health. I do think we are all

taught that doctors know best and they are there to help us, but I also think

that very few of us read anything anymore and it certainly seems like very few

have much historical recall for anything. Most people have lost any

ability to question anything, they just take verbatim anything they are told,

without so much as a reference to verify or check it out for ourselves.

We have no clue how our bodies operate but much worse, very few of us even want

to know when it is pointed out.

My older daughter had aplastic

anemia which is one of a few diseases that is actually worse than cancer.

We were around a lot of pediatric cancer patients while she was ill, and I was

mortified at how those children were allowed to eat and how the majority of the

parents took a backseat to their child's care. It was as if the parent's

lost their ability to think when faced with the situation and didn't question

anything. At a time in your life when you most need your wits about you,

most were just overwhelmed and easily manipulated. I think that happens a

lot when people are faced with illness, whether it's their own or their

child's. We're trained to accept the status quo and not rock the

boat. But worse than that, lots of people don't even WANT to think for

their selves.

Anyway, that's enough for my

soapbox.

Linn

On Jul 5, 2006, at 10:20 AM, allyn ferris wrote:

in my experience over the last 30 years I hate to say

it, but I have found most people don’t care because it takes a bit of effort

and takes them out of their comfort zones. I have a friend who had

gastric bypass surgery in the last year and eats only junk still!! I have

preached and preached and now have just given up. She looks awful and

never feels good, you can tell by the way she looks. I finally said, '' I

thought you got this surgery to be .

[Guest guest]

I am new to the group and I feel lost. I really have no idea what

everyone is talking about but I can see that it is interesting and

intelligent. I am having thyroid troubles and am taking Isodoral and

mineral/vitimins to "cure" my ills. I'm doing ok but still not well

and I am in the dark on the truth. As Allyn said, most don't want to

know the truth, as it is too big a responsibility. I want to know but

am lost as the "chat" here is over my head. Any suggestions? Help?

Thoughts?

Thanks all,

allyn ferris wrote:

in my experience over the last 30 years I hate to say it, but I

have found most people don’t care because it takes a bit of effort and

takes them out of their comfort zones. I have a friend who had gastric

bypass surgery in the last year and eats only junk still!! I have

preached and preached and now have just given up. She looks awful and

never feels good, you can tell by the way she looks. I finally said,

'' I thought you got this surgery to be healthier and all you eat is

popcorn (and it is the microwave stuff with soy oil)" She says she

gets her nutrition in the pills she takes every day. I guess when her

organs start failing she might realize she has to do more than take

pills and eat popcorn!

I have another friend who has two teen daughters who have some

minor problems. I have talked and talked and she finally got some raw

milk but her husband won't allow them to drink it. It is so amazing to

me that they don't see the reality of it. I can go on and on with

stories. Friends with cancer and friends with young people who are

getting cancer and they think I am nuts that is is the food and

actually believe that these problems have always been that way.

I will not stop talking about it though because every now and

then you get someone who really wants to know and that makes it all

worthwhile.

Allyn

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>From: Linn <linnmiller@...>

Most people don't want to hear

>about how to prevent anything. They just want to continue with

all the

>bad habits and then take something for it.

Actually, most people are taught that there's science behind what the

FDA,

the medical profession, and the drug companies tell us. So, they don't

necessarily know there's a way to prevent problems. After all, if the

FDA

approved Nutrasweet, it must be safe.

Most people don't understand what's going on until they've struggled

for a

long time with health problems.

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Hi , Hang in there!  This has been a tangent to the usual business of talking about iodine, iodine research, thyroid related stuff, etc.  Any day now we should return to our regularly scheduled program  On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:46 PM, wrote: I am new to the group and I feel lost.  I really have no idea what everyone is talking about but I can see that it is interesting and intelligent.  I am having thyroid troubles and am taking Isodoral and mineral/vitimins to "cure" my ills.  I'm doing ok but still not well and I am in the dark on the truth.  As Allyn said, most don't want to know the truth, as it is too big a responsibility.  I want to know but am lost as the "chat" here is over my head.  Any suggestions?  Help?  Thoughts? Thanks all, allyn ferris wrote: in my experience over the last 30 years I hate to say it, but I have found most people don’t care because it takes a bit of effort and takes them out of their comfort zones.  I have a friend who had gastric bypass surgery in the last year and eats only junk still!! I have preached and preached and now have just given up.  She looks awful and never feels good, you can tell by the way she looks.  I finally said, '' I thought you got this surgery to be healthier and all you eat is popcorn (and it is the microwave stuff with soy oil)"  She says she gets her nutrition in the pills she takes every day.  I guess when her organs start failing she might realize she has to do more than take pills and eat popcorn! I have another friend who has two teen daughters who have some minor problems.  I have talked and talked and she finally got some raw milk but her husband won't allow them to drink it.  It is so amazing to me that they don't see the reality of it.  I can go on and on with stories. Friends with cancer and friends with young people who are getting cancer and they think I am nuts that is is the food and actually believe that these problems have always been that way.  I will not stop talking about it though because every now and then you get someone who really wants to know and that makes it all worthwhile. Allyn >From: Linn <linnmiller@...> Most people don't want to hear >about  how to prevent anything.  They just want to continue with all the >bad  habits and then take something for it. Actually, most people are taught that there's science behind what the FDA, the medical profession, and the drug companies tell us.  So, they don't necessarily know there's a way to prevent problems.  After all, if the FDA approved Nutrasweet, it must be safe. Most people don't understand what's going on until they've struggled for a long time with health problems. Skipper

[Guest guest]

hi ! you are a trooper! how much Iodoral are you taking?

Gracia

I am new to the group and I feel lost. I really have no idea what everyone is talking about but I can see that it is interesting and intelligent. I am having thyroid troubles and am taking Isodoral and mineral/vitimins to "cure" my ills. I'm doing ok but still not well and I am in the dark on the truth. As Allyn said, most don't want to know the truth, as it is too big a responsibility. I want to know but am lost as the "chat" here is over my head. Any suggestions? Help? Thoughts?Thanks all,

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, Check out Dr. Tim O'Shea's website, thedoctorwithin.com it is full of all kinds of info, in particular regarding nutrition, that is well written, keeps the reader's interest and full of references, not just innuendo.  It takes a while and if you don't have lots of time, definitely take time to read certain chapters.  I would highly recommend reading the following:  "Enzymes, the key to longevity", "Journey to the center of your colon", "Allergies, the threshold of reactivity", "The New West Diet", "Minerals", "Sugar, the sweet thief of life", "Water", "The Sanctity of Human Blood", "Every woman needs to read this chapter now", and "The Magic Bean".  You'll get a good foundation to go on.  There are many references of great books on this site and other website to learn from also.  I'm sure many others here would have some other references for you also.  LinnOn Jul 5, 2006, at 9:46 PM, wrote:I am new to the group and I feel lost.  I really have no idea what everyone is talking about but I can see that it is interesting and intelligent.  I am having thyroid troubles and am taking Isodoral and mineral/vitimins to "cure" my ills.  I'm doing ok but still not well and I am in the dark on the truth.  As Allyn said, most don't want to know the truth, as it is too big a responsibility.  I want to know but am lost as the "chat" here is over my head.  Any suggestions?  Help?  Thoughts?Thanks all,

[Guest guest]

Ives wrote:

> We LOVE Sushi, kids love it too. Except for the $$$.

>

> Best,

>

>

Oh, sheesh, it is soooo easy to make. My Mom used

to make sushi with hot dogs and dill pickles (we loved

it). Rice is CHEAP. So is rice vinegar and nori.

The filling can be anything. Leftover salmon or ham

or sausage is good, and any crunchy vegie.

Sushi is basically " Japanese sandwiches " . Forget

the hype from the sushi chefs and the gourmet

cache'. Just roll up some rice in a nori wrapper.

There are a ton of good websites with pics.

The one thing you DO need is a bamboo mat

for rolling, but they cost all of $2.99 or something.

We never BUY sushi, mainly because most

of it has fake Krab which has gluten in it, and the

rest is gluten contaminated. But it never was worth

the cost. It's way, way overpriced. Once you understand

how to make it, a roll of sushi doesn't take any longer

than, say, a peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich.

I did learn to make ginger slices, though you can

buy those easily. I just slice up fresh ginger root

(also very cheap), thin, and pour rice vinegar over

it, and store it in the fridge. I love ginger, but it

kept going bad on me (sprouting) so now I store

it sliced in rice vinegar. Works fine in recipes, and keeps

forever.

BTW sushi rolls keep for days in the fridge, and

kids can just slice off bits when they are hungry.

Which works well for us. You can wrap the rolls

in plastic wrap, if you want, but they keep ok without

it (the ends might get dry, but the nori protects

it pretty well). The rice vinegar protects the rice

from going bad, which is why sushi was invented,

so the story goes.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Here here. Plus if you make a low salary, you have to stop freaking out

about what you should be eating but can't afford and just do the best

you can. Had to give up sprouting when began working 8 days a week. Now

have 2 days off and will begin again but I must pick and choose. Health

is out of reach for most of us.

On Jul 5, 2006, at 12:08 PM, allyn ferris wrote:

> it is a commitment to be able to change the average American lifestyle

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I was under the impression that only egg yolks were healthy to eat raw

and that the whites should be eaten cooked. This is a quote from the

WAP website: " The whites should mostly be eaten cooked, as raw egg

whites contain enzyme inhibitors that can cause digestive problems. "

http://www.westonaprice.org/faq.html

Sharon

> With enough sweetener and some fruits you would be surprised what

you can

> sneak in! LOL Kefir and raw eggs are amazing. Eggs are one of the

highest

> sources of pure protein (the whites) and the yolks have good fats

and other

> nutrients.

> Allyn

[Guest guest]

>From: " sharflin " <sharflin@...>

>I was under the impression that only egg yolks were healthy to eat raw

>and that the whites should be eaten cooked. This is a quote from the

>WAP website: " The whites should mostly be eaten cooked, as raw egg

>whites contain enzyme inhibitors that can cause digestive problems. "

>http://www.westonaprice.org/faq.html

Mercola wavered on that issue, finally coming to the position you just

stated. The main concern is the potential to cause biotin deficiency. May

depend on your other sources of biotin, and except for that, Mercola thought

on cooking the egg whites it bound up all the other proteins.

I see eggs are a good source of selenium, which is in the egg white.

http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/9/raw_eggs.htm

The nutritional breakdown of the egg white is rather impressive. With 9.8

grams of varied protein, high riboflavin, magnesium and potassium, plus a

whopping 25 percent the daily value of selenium, there are options to have

your white and eat it too! If you decide to eat whole raw eggs, here are my

suggested options:

1.

My primary new recommendation, and the one I now follow, is to

separate the yolks from the whites so you can cook the whites and consume

the yolks uncooked, or raw. The white can be cooked and eaten on its own.

Although cooking the white reduces the nutrient quality and perhaps

increases allergic sensitivities to some, the avidin in the egg white breaks

down when cooked to 100 degrees Centigrade, therefore releasing the biotin

back for your absorption and virtually eliminating any risk of biotin

deficiency.

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So, selenium is in the egg white, and isn't IODINE in the egg yolk?

Wonder if eggs from the goiter belt (esp. MI) have the 25% selenium content

Mercola talked about. If he measured that 25% in his Chicago practice, they

probably do. If that's just from a nutrition chart, it's likely much lower.

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Hi Gracia,

I was taking 50 mg per day but cut it back as I was getting diarrehea

and constipation at the same time! LOL I am now taking 12.5 along with

3.5 from kelp in a multi-mineral pill.....a total of 16 mg per day. I

don't know how I feel to tell the truth.

I went to the club to exercize today and my muscles are so weak today.

My pulse is way down (that's good), normally its in the high 90's now it

is in the 70's and 80's often, but I feel dragged out, tired.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks........good to see you here Gracia!

[Guest guest]

I don't know . I went through some weird stuff on Iodoral, but still felt better on 50mg/day than a lesser amount.

gracia

Hi Gracia,I was taking 50 mg per day but cut it back as I was getting diarrehea and constipation at the same time! LOL I am now taking 12.5 along with 3.5 from kelp in a multi-mineral pill.....a total of 16 mg per day. I don't know how I feel to tell the truth.I went to the club to exercize today and my muscles are so weak today. My pulse is way down (that's good), normally its in the high 90's now it is in the 70's and 80's often, but I feel dragged out, tired.Any thoughts or suggestions?Thanks........good to see you here Gracia!

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Well, my arms and legs are so " exhausted " that I'm going to stop the

iodine for now and see what happens. I don't want to give myself more

problems since my body doesn't know if it is hyper or hypo. I'll keep

you posted on my results.

[Guest guest]

I think you need to be on thyroid and adrenal meds. Stopping iodine probly won't be a solution.

Gracia, who is out of Iodoral and really feeling it. I don't think UPS delivers on Saturday.

Gracia

Well, my arms and legs are so "exhausted" that I'm going to stop the iodine for now and see what happens. I don't want to give myself more problems since my body doesn't know if it is hyper or hypo. I'll keep you posted on my results.

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