Re: Iodoral and gut bacteria

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We don't yet really know what happens to the bacteria in the intestines with iodine.

Kessler (an iodine biochemist who is also an expert in iodine disinfectants) says that iodine should not affect the bacteria in the intestines because the combination of intestinal pH and the forms of iodine in the intestines are not appropriate for killing bacteria. However, there has not been any research that I know of that specifically investigates iodine in the intestines.

Zoe

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Does iodoral kill off friendly bacteria?Or have i got this wrong?If so what do people do to counteract this. I take a probiotic and eat live yogurt but if this is continually killing off the good stuff, that doesn't sound to healthy to me.

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In my opinion, Iodine is not killing gut bacteria. I have had colon

issues for years. I now have the constipation from taking Iodine.

Before, when the gut bacteria would get killed due to taking too much

Goldenseal or antibiotics, I would get gas and bloating. This is

typical of the absence of gut bacteria. However, this is not the case

with the constipation issue from Iodine that I'm experiencing. There

is no gas and bloating.

I drink Kefir daily but went without for a few days because I ran out

of Goat's milk. I was still taking Iodine but had no gas or bloating

so I'm sure the gut bacteria sustained the lack of Kefir despite the

Iodine.

Ginger

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> Does iodoral kill off friendly bacteria?

> Or have i got this wrong?

>

> If so what do people do to counteract this. I take a probiotic and eat

> live yogurt but if this is continually killing off the good stuff, that

> doesn't sound to healthy to me.

>

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I'd second this. The classic sign of bacterial die-off, whichhappens a lot when people take antibiotics, is diarrhea. And,if anything, more copious stools. Constipation usually meansthat motility is slowed and that more is being digested, which

can happen for various reasons, including a change in thebacterial mix, but I don't think it's likely from a massive bacterialdie-off.-- On 1/19/07, SunshineGinny <ginger@...> wrote:

In my opinion, Iodine is not killing gut bacteria. I have had colonissues for years. I now have the constipation from taking Iodine.Before, when the gut bacteria would get killed due to taking too muchGoldenseal or antibiotics, I would get gas and bloating. This is

typical of the absence of gut bacteria. However, this is not the casewith the constipation issue from Iodine that I'm experiencing. Thereis no gas and bloating.I drink Kefir daily but went without for a few days because I ran out

of Goat's milk. I was still taking Iodine but had no gas or bloatingso I'm sure the gut bacteria sustained the lack of Kefir despite theIodine.Ginger

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pens a lot when people take antibiotics, is diarrhea. And,

> if anything, more copious stools. Constipation usually means

> that motility is slowed and that more is being digested, which

> can happen for various reasons, including a change in the

> bacterial mix, but I don't think it's likely from a massive bacterial

-----> When I was doing all the neurotransmitter/gut readings I came

across some research on antibiotics increasing serotonin reactions as

the reason for diarrhea. Can't find it right this second again...but

will look for it later.

Lynn

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On Jan 20, 2007, at 11:25 AM, iodine wrote:> In my opinion, Iodine is not killing gut bacteria. I have had colon> issues for years. I now have the constipation from taking Iodine.> Before, when the gut bacteria would get killed due to taking too much> Goldenseal or antibiotics, I would get gas and bloating. This is> typical of the absence of gut bacteria. However, this is not the case> with the constipation issue from Iodine that I'm experiencing. There> is no gas and bloating.I read somewhere (sorry about the "somewhere") that iodine applied to the skin kills 90% of the bacteria in just seconds. If that's true, why would it not kill the good bacteria in our guts?Aside from that, the reason I think the Iodoral may indeed be sterilizing my gut is the abrupt decrease in stool volume that came on when I got up to three Iodoral tabs. What I understand from reading Gray and other intestinal cleansing proponents is that a large portion of the stool volume is made up of the waste products of the good gut bacteria. When you kill off the good bacteria, you have vastly reduced volume and resulting constipation. When the bad bacteria start taking over the vacated territory, then you can get gas, bloating, and diarrhea. The good bacteria actually help us out greatly, not only by limiting the bad bacteria, but also by digesting things we can't and by making some vitamins for us (B's and K, I think).  If the actual problem is a probiotic kill,  more magnesium to keep things moving may be obscuring a loss of probiotics.You can feed the good bacteria with fructooligsaccharides (FOS), which helps them grow and colonize faster. Has anybody with constipation accompanying Iodoral tried taking FOS to see if it helps? I'll try that on my next go round with Iodoral and let you know if it seems to help.Two more questions on the magnesium side of it. I've tried to read/scan all the posts from last year, but I'm still not clear on how iodine supplementation makes us need more magnesium. Is magnesium excreted in the urine along with the heavy metals? And has anyone had successful experience with transdermal magnesium using mag oil or gel?Adeha

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have you tried 25mg 2X a day=50mg Iodoral? or only up to 37.5?

Gracia

On Jan 20, 2007, at 11:25 AM, iodine wrote:

> In my opinion, Iodine is not killing gut bacteria. I have had colon> issues for years. I now have the constipation from taking Iodine.> Before, when the gut bacteria would get killed due to taking too much> Goldenseal or antibiotics, I would get gas and bloating. This is> typical of the absence of gut bacteria. However, this is not the case> with the constipation issue from Iodine that I'm experiencing. There> is no gas and bloating.

I read somewhere (sorry about the "somewhere") that iodine applied to the skin kills 90% of the bacteria in just seconds. If that's true, why would it not kill the good bacteria in our guts?

Aside from that, the reason I think the Iodoral may indeed be sterilizing my gut is the abrupt decrease in stool volume that came on when I got up to three Iodoral tabs. What I understand from reading Gray and other intestinal cleansing proponents is that a large portion of the stool volume is made up of the waste products of the good gut bacteria. When you kill off the good bacteria, you have vastly reduced volume and resulting constipation. When the bad bacteria start taking over the vacated territory, then you can get gas, bloating, and diarrhea. The good bacteria actually help us out greatly, not only by limiting the bad bacteria, but also by digesting things we can't and by making some vitamins for us (B's and K, I think). If the actual problem is a probiotic kill, more magnesium to keep things moving may be obscuring a loss of probiotics.

You can feed the good bacteria with fructooligsaccharides (FOS), which helps them grow and colonize faster. Has anybody with constipation accompanying Iodoral tried taking FOS to see if it helps? I'll try that on my next go round with Iodoral and let you know if it seems to help.

Two more questions on the magnesium side of it. I've tried to read/scan all the posts from last year, but I'm still not clear on how iodine supplementation makes us need more magnesium. Is magnesium excreted in the urine along with the heavy metals? And has anyone had successful experience with transdermal magnesium using mag oil or gel?

Adeha

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On Jan 21, 2007, at 9:37 AM, iodine wrote:Re: Iodoral and gut bacteriaPosted by: "Gracia" circe@...   graciabeeSat Jan 20, 2007 9:34 pm (PST)have you tried 25mg 2X a day=50mg Iodoral? or only up to 37.5?GraciaOn Jan 20, 2007, at 11:25 AM, iodine wrote:> is no gas and bloating.I read somewhere (sorry about the "somewhere") that iodine applied to the skin kills 90% of the bacteria in just seconds. If that's true, why would it not kill the good bacteria in our guts?Gracia, I'm not sure if you're asking me or SunshineGinny, but I'll answer anyway. I had just increased from 3 to 4 Iodoral, ONCE A DAY (hadn't got the divided dosage thing yet), when I finally figured out that three Iodoral (once a day) had been causing the severe constipation. At that point I just stopped the Iodoral and concentrated on transdermal application of the PT Iosol. I know, not a good test of the Iodoral.  I'm going to try it again, applying everything I know now, but not until the magnesium oil arrives. I'll let you know!A side note, the Iodoral did cause significant body odor and some detox headache, along with cloudy urine. The body odor part made me wonder if zinc was also being used up. Anybody tried adding zinc (and a little copper) for the body odor symptom?Adeha

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> > First of all, if killing gut bacteria is causing the constipation, why> don't more people suffer from it? I would think the doctors would be> well aware of the issue if that were causing it, but they don't seem> to be.--------> It makes sense on one level but I don't think that's all if any ofwhat's happening. When I've had anti-biotics my gut recovers fairly quickly and peristalsis resumes if it ever stopped. With iodine it's like the smooth muscles of the whole intestines stop. This is why neurotransmitters being shut are the only explanation I can think of. The desription of people having these problems fits exactly with the way I experience iodine on my system.I'm also wondering if the problem isn't so much iodine (or possibly bromide detox)as a giant hit to the neurotransmitters by so much iodine at one time. When serotonin is released in copious amounts by a malfunction in the gut of IBS person it's shuts down the system so the person goes from cramps and loose bowels to constipation.If what Flechas says is correct that iodine sensitizes the nueral receptors then this could be a possiblity. This is just a loose idea I've been lately batting around.I've switched my protocol to a much slower release of iodine in the gut via drops of atomodine under my tongue and the rest seaweed in soup with some fat to slow digestion down.> And, secondly, why is it that it's necessary to drink the "Smooth> Move" tea, in my case, to get it to move again. I physically cannot> make my colon have muscle contractions when it is bad. I don't> believe this is a result of killing off bacteria.------>Smooth Move has senna in it so it's stimulating acetycholine to get it to produce serotonin to start muscle contraction. Your description of "cannot make my colon have muscle contractions" is exactly what this is like.Lynn

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I am taking 4 iodoral per day and my bowel function has actually improved! I was very pleased, as I have IBS and tend towards the constipation/diarrhea cycle. I am now very regular, where I wasn't before. C.

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Hey Lynn and everyone with this issue -

Last night I had a bad seige of this issue. My gut felt like

concrete. And, I wanted to know if it really could be gut bacteria,

so I went to the refrigerator and got some probiotics. I took two

Jarro-Dophilus + FOS and about 20 minutes later two Garden of Life

Primal Defense. I know that's overkill but I wanted to be sure.

Within a few minutes I could feel things start moving and in about 60

minutes all symptoms were gone and I was back to normal. This despite

the fact that I drink Kefir daily and take Vitamineral Green which

also has probiotics in it.

So, I concede that the Iodine appears to be killing gut bacteria. I

also wonder if the reason it doesn't happen to everyone is that most

people have enough and we don't. Over the last 10 years, I have had

to supplement frequently with probiotics and had turned to Kefir as an

alternative. Apparently without the influx of Iodine it is ample to

take care of me but when I take Iodine it's not.

So, now I will start supplementing with probiotics in between the

Iodine and see if that solves the problem. I'll give an update in a

week or so.

Ginger

>

> >

> > First of all, if killing gut bacteria is causing the constipation, why

> > don't more people suffer from it? I would think the doctors would be

> > well aware of the issue if that were causing it, but they don't seem

> > to be.

>

> --------> It makes sense on one level but I don't think that's all if

> any of

> what's happening. When I've had anti-biotics my gut recovers fairly

> quickly

> and peristalsis resumes if it ever stopped. With iodine it's like the

> smooth

> muscles of the whole intestines stop.

>

> This is why neurotransmitters being shut are the only explanation I can

> think of.

> The desription of people having these problems fits exactly with the way

> I

> experience iodine on my system.

>

> I'm also wondering if the problem isn't so much iodine (or possibly

> bromide detox)

> as a giant hit to the neurotransmitters by so much iodine at one time.

> When serotonin

> is released in copious amounts by a malfunction in the gut of IBS person

> it's shuts down the system so the person goes from cramps and loose

> bowels to constipation.

>

> If what Flechas says is correct that iodine sensitizes the nueral

> receptors then this could be a possiblity. This is just a loose idea

> I've been lately batting around.

>

> I've switched my protocol to a much slower release of iodine in the gut

> via drops of atomodine under my tongue and the rest seaweed in soup with

> some fat to slow digestion down.

>

> > And, secondly, why is it that it's necessary to drink the " Smooth

> > Move " tea, in my case, to get it to move again. I physically cannot

> > make my colon have muscle contractions when it is bad. I don't

> > believe this is a result of killing off bacteria.

>

> ------>Smooth Move has senna in it so it's stimulating acetycholine to

> get it to produce serotonin to start muscle contraction. Your

> description of " cannot make my colon have muscle contractions " is

> exactly what this is like.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Have you looked into prebiotics like inulin? If gut bacteria do not

have sufficient food, they cannot multiply enough for a healthy gut

colony.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html

Alobar

On 1/22/07, SunshineGinny <ginger@...> wrote:

> Hey Lynn and everyone with this issue -

>

> Last night I had a bad seige of this issue. My gut felt like

> concrete. And, I wanted to know if it really could be gut bacteria,

> so I went to the refrigerator and got some probiotics. I took two

> Jarro-Dophilus + FOS and about 20 minutes later two Garden of Life

> Primal Defense. I know that's overkill but I wanted to be sure.

> Within a few minutes I could feel things start moving and in about 60

> minutes all symptoms were gone and I was back to normal. This despite

> the fact that I drink Kefir daily and take Vitamineral Green which

> also has probiotics in it.

>

> So, I concede that the Iodine appears to be killing gut bacteria. I

> also wonder if the reason it doesn't happen to everyone is that most

> people have enough and we don't. Over the last 10 years, I have had

> to supplement frequently with probiotics and had turned to Kefir as an

> alternative. Apparently without the influx of Iodine it is ample to

> take care of me but when I take Iodine it's not.

>

> So, now I will start supplementing with probiotics in between the

> Iodine and see if that solves the problem. I'll give an update in a

> week or so.

>

> Ginger

>

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Thanks Alobar. I'm going to give that a try. FOS never appealed to

me because I used to have Candida overgrowth. We all have Candida

present, even when we're healthy, and it just didn't make sense to

feed it with FOS. This makes a lot more sense and just may be the key

I need to help my gut get back to normal.

Ginger

> > Hey Lynn and everyone with this issue -

> >

> > Last night I had a bad seige of this issue. My gut felt like

> > concrete. And, I wanted to know if it really could be gut bacteria,

> > so I went to the refrigerator and got some probiotics. I took two

> > Jarro-Dophilus + FOS and about 20 minutes later two Garden of Life

> > Primal Defense. I know that's overkill but I wanted to be sure.

> > Within a few minutes I could feel things start moving and in about 60

> > minutes all symptoms were gone and I was back to normal. This despite

> > the fact that I drink Kefir daily and take Vitamineral Green which

> > also has probiotics in it.

> >

> > So, I concede that the Iodine appears to be killing gut bacteria. I

> > also wonder if the reason it doesn't happen to everyone is that most

> > people have enough and we don't. Over the last 10 years, I have had

> > to supplement frequently with probiotics and had turned to Kefir as an

> > alternative. Apparently without the influx of Iodine it is ample to

> > take care of me but when I take Iodine it's not.

> >

> > So, now I will start supplementing with probiotics in between the

> > Iodine and see if that solves the problem. I'll give an update in a

> > week or so.

> >

> > Ginger

> >

>

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- So, I concede that the Iodine appears to be killing gut bacteria. I

> also wonder if the reason it doesn't happen to everyone is that most

> people have enough and we don't. Over the last 10 years, I have had

> to supplement frequently with probiotics and had turned to Kefir as an

> alternative. Apparently without the influx of Iodine it is ample to

> take care of me but when I take Iodine it's not.

>

Thanks for this update. I just got a bunch of pro-biotics today to

start experimenting with. I think you're onto something as this is

exactly what the gut lady on the autism site mentioned to get

neurotransmitters going in those kids. It's was tons of pro-biotics.

Nighttime seems like a good time to do them too.

Bye

Lynn

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Bacteria tend to fall into opposing camps, which is somethingthat those of us who make, say, kraut, tend to exploit. The bacteria that are killed by salt (a potent antibacterial agent) tend to be the " baddies " , ditto for acid.

So ... if your gut is full of baddies, the it might be thatthe iodine kills them. It might not be so deadly to themore friendly sort. After all, seawater is full of iodine and alsohosts many bacteria, but seawater doesn't make people sick.

Just a theory.-- On 1/22/07, SunshineGinny <ginger@...> wrote:

So, I concede that the Iodine appears to be killing gut bacteria. Ialso wonder if the reason it doesn't happen to everyone is that mostpeople have enough and we don't. Over the last 10 years, I have had

to supplement frequently with probiotics and had turned to Kefir as analternative. Apparently without the influx of Iodine it is ample totake care of me but when I take Iodine it's not.

[Guest guest]

What sorts of pro-biotics are you using. I've just finished mine and

want to make sure i get really good one next time, especially now i've

started the iodoral. What is the difference between pre and pro

biotics. My live yogurts say pre and pro biotics on them now, but i'm

not sure if a yogurt a day is enough, especially now.

Thanks

>

> Thanks for this update. I just got a bunch of pro-biotics today to

> start experimenting with. I think you're onto something as this is

> exactly what the gut lady on the autism site mentioned to get

> neurotransmitters going in those kids. It's was tons of pro-biotics.

> Nighttime seems like a good time to do them too.

>

> Bye

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

from Lynn>>I just got a bunch of pro-biotics today tostart experimenting with. I think you're onto something as this isexactly what the gut lady on the autism site mentioned to getneurotransmitters going in those kids. It's was tons of pro-biotics.Nighttime seems like a good time to do them too.>>

Hi Lynn,

Would you mind sharing which probiotics you are experimenting with? I've had a bad time in the past overloading my gut w/probiotics, so I'm leery--but interested!

Thanks,

Dahlia

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My teenage daughter & I are both using Life Start from Natren, and

within a week of using them 3x daily, we both felt very different -

much better.

http://store.natren.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=N & Category\

_Code=002

Supposedly this strain migrates to the liver & acts a a liver cleanse.

Warmly,

>

> from Lynn

> >>I just got a bunch of pro-biotics today to

> start experimenting with. I think you're onto something as this is

> exactly what the gut lady on the autism site mentioned to get

> neurotransmitters going in those kids. It's was tons of pro-biotics.

> Nighttime seems like a good time to do them too.>>

>

> Hi Lynn,

>

> Would you mind sharing which probiotics you are experimenting with? I've

> had a bad time in the past overloading my gut w/probiotics, so I'm

> leery--but interested!

>

> Thanks,

> Dahlia

>

[Guest guest]

Primal Defense by Garden of Life is the best probiotic product I've ever

used. If it gives you loose bowels when you first start using it, I

believe it is because it is killing parasites. It will pass.

I had pin worms for a year and couldn't get rid of them but after 1 week

on Primal Defense they were gone. And, that wasn't even the reason

I was using the product! A little pricey though so I get it on

eBay.

Ginger

At 03:04 AM 1/23/2007, you wrote:

What sorts of pro-biotics are

you using. I've just finished mine and

want to make sure i get really good one next time, especially now i've

started the iodoral. What is the difference between pre and pro

biotics. My live yogurts say pre and pro biotics on them now, but i'm

not sure if a yogurt a day is enough, especially now.

Thanks

>

> Thanks for this update. I just got a bunch of pro-biotics today

to

> start experimenting with. I think you're onto something as this

is

> exactly what the gut lady on the autism site mentioned to get

> neurotransmitters going in those kids. It's was tons of

pro-biotics.

> Nighttime seems like a good time to do them too.

>

> Bye

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Bio-K can be found at Whole foods. One serving of this is equal to 100

servings of yogurt in terms of beneficial bacteria. Kind of expensive though.

--- <slyan2007@...> wrote:

> What sorts of pro-biotics are you using. I've just finished mine and

> want to make sure i get really good one next time, especially now i've

> started the iodoral. What is the difference between pre and pro

> biotics. My live yogurts say pre and pro biotics on them now, but i'm

> not sure if a yogurt a day is enough, especially now.

> Thanks

>

>

> >

> > Thanks for this update. I just got a bunch of pro-biotics today to

> > start experimenting with. I think you're onto something as this is

> > exactly what the gut lady on the autism site mentioned to get

> > neurotransmitters going in those kids. It's was tons of pro-biotics.

> > Nighttime seems like a good time to do them too.

> >

> > Bye

> > Lynn

> >

>

>

>

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"Primal Defense by Garden of Life is the best probiotic product I've ever used"

I can 2nd this recommendation! It is helping me a lot. I am still not able to maintain healthy flora in my own. I notice when I skip a day of my Primal Defense. I find I can get by with taking one before bed and that is it, to make the bottle stretch longer.

-Olif