Re: Saw Dr. Flechas yesterday and his comments on iodine

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Lynn, based on your visit to Dr. Flechas, does he not prescribe any

thyroid meds? Only Iodoral? Could it be that those of you on this

site getting low loading results the second time around are

inhibiting the iodoral uptake by being on thyroid meds? I really am

confused on this subject. The books can only take me so far in the

facts, its the real life experiences I greatly appreciate in all the

groups messages.

Thank you

Kathleen

>

>

> I took my mother to Dr. Flechas in ville MC yesterday.

Flechas

> is one of the original iodine doctors working with Abraham's Iodoral

> and protocols.

> My mother has a small goiter that he told her should disappear with

a

> few months on increased iodine.

>

> http://www.helpmythyroid.com/

> We spent about 1 ½ hours with him and he had a number of interesting

> things to say about using iodine. I'm going to bullet some of them

> below and will get the rest later when I get home and re-listen to

the

> tape.

>

>

> Lynn

>

>

> * Cancer: Nurse that did the intake on my mom said she

started

> working for Flechas after seeing him for her cancer. She had

cancer

> tumors in her uterus and breasts. She had a hysterectomy and

was

> scheduled for a mastectomy when she decided to see him. He put

her

> on 100mg of Iodoral/day and within 2 weeks her tumors were

> shrinking. She canceled her mastectomy. She did say she had

> horrible detox reactions in the beginning including acne and a

> horrible smell. That eventually went away.

> * Cancer: Flechas told us about one young woman whose

breast

> cancer had metastasized to her rib cage and left kidney. He started

her

> on 100mgs of Iodoral and 21 days later her PET scan showed no cancer

> * Thyroid hormone and breast cancer He said the studies are

> indicating that taking any type of thyroid (natural or not)

will

> increase the risk of cancer as it blocks iodine absorption. He

has

> had patients come to him with fibrocystic breasts and use iodine

to

> take care of the problem. Then their primary physician will put

them on

> thyroid hormone and the breasts will get painful again. He gradually

> takes all patients off thyroid as they become loaded with

iodine.

> * Mammogram vs thermograms. Said the breasts stay hot for

a few

> days after a mammogram. He believes in thermograms but only if

you

> can consistently use the same place and the person knows how to

> read them.

> * (My question- A lot of people are experiencing

constipation

> with Iodoral and use lugols instead…what's causing that?)

> Flechas – Lugols gives 20% of the people using it stomach problems

> and acidity and Iodoral absorbs better. The constipation problem is

> because iodine makes the cell membrane far more permeable to Mg

causing

> it to be used up and not available to the colon cells. These cells

need

> Mg to operate correctly. The solution is to use between 500-1500mgs

of

> magnesium oxide.

>

> * (My question – Does iodine block estrogen receptors?

> Flechas – No not block it reduces the number of receptors BUT it

> increases the receptivity of ALL hormone receptors on the cells. So

> estrogen is still available to the cell.(My question – Does it

> reduce or block the receptors for progesterone?) Flechas –

> Progesterone makes iodine more available to the cell.

> * Testing for bromine and fluorine this will soon be available

at his

> office and can be ordered just like the iodine loading test is. Of

the

> two he feels bromine is far more dangerous.

> * Cogimax - a silica based supplement from Optimax ( Abrahams

company

> that produces Iodoral) that he uses with Alziehmers and ADD

patients.

> He said silica loading is extremely effective for brain problems.

>

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>From: " kathleen_nick42 " <hanlonk@...>

>Lynn, based on your visit to Dr. Flechas, does he not prescribe any

>thyroid meds? Only Iodoral? Could it be that those of you on this

>site getting low loading results the second time around are

>inhibiting the iodoral uptake by being on thyroid meds?

No. It's a urine test. If the thyroid meds are inhibiting the uptake (and

allegedly, on thyroid meds the thyroid is " turned off " at least on adequate

dosages) that would cause more to be excreted.

Actually, I hadn't thought of it before, but Dr. Derry said when one

was on thyroid meds, the thyroid was " turned off. " I don't know if he meant

if one was on enough to suppress the TSH, or if anyone on thyroid meds isn't

not seeing it go to their thyroid.

It would seem to me, those with a suppressed TSH would not absorb any iodine

in their thyroid. Those on lower doses might.

That may mean, unless someone actually does decrease or stop their intake of

thyroid hormone, they will never know whether taking iodine will allow a

reduction or elimination of their thyroid meds.

According to Derry, when starting iodine (he usually recommended one of two

drops of Lugol's which would be 6-12.5 mg of iodine) the thyroid soaks up

all the available iodine for about two weeks. Then it allows it to go other

places it's needed for immune or other purposes.

I don't know if one stays on thyroid meds if their thyroid will ever become

" saturated. " One posting on this group mentioned that some doctor thinks

that taking thyroid hormone actually causes iodine depletion which is why

they should take extra iodine.

Skipper

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> Lynn, based on your visit to Dr. Flechas, does he not prescribe any > thyroid meds? Only Iodoral?

Yes it sounded like it. My mother is on 2

grains/day and he's going to have her slowly taper off over the next 6

months as she loads with more iodine.

Could it be that those of you on this > site getting low loading results the second time around are > inhibiting the iodoral uptake by being on thyroid meds?

I was prescribed thyroid this summer and it

certainly appears to be what brought back my fibrocystic breasts.

The month after I started thyroid was the first fibrocystic breast pain

I've had in along time. I fit the profile he mentioned.

I really am > confused on this subject. The books can only take me so far in the > facts, its the real life experiences I greatly appreciate in all the > groups messages.

I don't know where you live but if it's close enough to see him I would recommend it.

I live in Atlanta so it was a 3 hour drive for us.

He's not expensive.....my mom paid cash for her visit. I think it

was $280 for 1 1/2 hours. He ran her lab test through quest

so Medicare will pick up on those. He also takes the big three

insurance plans....blue cross, united health and one ohter????

I'll be going to see him soon also so can ask more questions.

Lynn

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That's great news . Did you do an iodine loading test at any point before starting?

Re: Saw Dr. Flechas yesterday and his comments on iodine

I told Dr. Flechas that I am on 125mg of Levoxyl and he told me as I start the 100mg of Iodinethat I should be aware of hyper symptoms since he believes that I would start needing less hormoneduring the 30 days I am on this high dose of Iodine. I am 10 days into it and do not notice anyhyper symptoms, unfortunately. I have noticed sharp magnesium deficiency symptoms in the last week; very sore neck for noreason, constipation and muscle spasm in in calf muscles and sleep disturbances. This goes alongwith the thought that iodine increases the cells absorption of mag and perhaps the need isgreater.... the point is, this seems to be a sign that my body is finally absorbing the iodine. --- Skipper Beers <lsb149hotmail> wrote:> >From: "kathleen_nick42" <hanlonkearthlink (DOT) net>> > >Lynn, based on your visit to Dr. Flechas, does he not prescribe any> >thyroid meds? Only Iodoral? Could it be that those of you on this> >site getting low loading results the second time around are> >inhibiting the iodoral uptake by being on thyroid meds?> > No. It's a urine test. If the thyroid meds are inhibiting the uptake (and > allegedly, on thyroid meds the thyroid is "turned off" at least on adequate > dosages) that would cause more to be excreted.> > Actually, I hadn't thought of it before, but Dr. Derry said when one > was on thyroid meds, the thyroid was "turned off." I don't know if he meant > if one was on enough to suppress the TSH, or if anyone on thyroid meds isn't > not seeing it go to their thyroid.> > It would seem to me, those with a suppressed TSH would not absorb any iodine > in their thyroid. Those on lower doses might.> > That may mean, unless someone actually does decrease or stop their intake of > thyroid hormone, they will never know whether taking iodine will allow a > reduction or elimination of their thyroid meds.> > According to Derry, when starting iodine (he usually recommended one of two > drops of Lugol's which would be 6-12.5 mg of iodine) the thyroid soaks up > all the available iodine for about two weeks. Then it allows it to go other > places it's needed for immune or other purposes.> > I don't know if one stays on thyroid meds if their thyroid will ever become > "saturated." One posting on this group mentioned that some doctor thinks > that taking thyroid hormone actually causes iodine depletion which is why > they should take extra iodine.> > Skipper> > __________________________________________________________> Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. > http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx> > > > Iodine

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Lynn, I actually drive an hour to see a doc in Asheville who works

with dr. flechas urine test. That is how I heard of him. I'm on a

low dose of Armour, 45mg/day, 15 mcg Cytomel and have hopes of

reducing that to nill. I'm slowly introducing Iodoral to my system,

currently at 1 1/2 tab in my 2nd week. Monitoring any changes, like

, I had to increase my Mg, so maybe I too am utilizing what

Iodoral is going in my body. Some days I found myself needing

additional potassium iodide that helped with leg cramps.

Where is there a good link or source for finding out more on the

Iodoral/thyroid med connection........anyone?

Thank you

Kathleen

>

> > Lynn, based on your visit to Dr. Flechas, does he not prescribe

any

> > thyroid meds? Only Iodoral?

>

> Yes it sounded like it. My mother is on 2 grains/day and he's

going to

> have her slowly taper off over the next 6 months as she loads with

more

> iodine.

>

> Could it be that those of you on this

> > site getting low loading results the second time around are

> > inhibiting the iodoral uptake by being on thyroid meds?

>

> I was prescribed thyroid this summer and it certainly appears to be

what

> brought back my fibrocystic breasts. The month after I started

thyroid

> was the first fibrocystic breast pain I've had in along time. I fit

the

> profile he mentioned.

>

> I really am

> > confused on this subject. The books can only take me so far in

the

> > facts, its the real life experiences I greatly appreciate in all

the

> > groups messages.

>

> I don't know where you live but if it's close enough to see him I

would

> recommend it.

> I live in Atlanta so it was a 3 hour drive for us.

> He's not expensive.....my mom paid cash for her visit. I think it

was

> $280 for 1 1/2 hours. He ran her lab test through quest so Medicare

> will pick up on those. He also takes the big three insurance

> plans....blue cross, united health and one ohter????

>

> I'll be going to see him soon also so can ask more questions.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Wow I can hardly wait to read the rest!

On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:29 AM, Lynn wrote:

>  I took my mother to Dr. Flechas in ville MC yesterday.

> Flechas is one of the original iodine doctors working with Abraham's

> Iodoral and protocols.

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