Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 ME, I have hashi's and adrenal problems and as well as many others on the iodine deficiency list. I started the Iodoral one week ago, but I started with 1 tablet twice a day for a total of 25 mgs., but I'm going to increase to the 50mg. in divided doses starting tomorrow. I have already noticed less discomfort in my throat area, as I have a goiter too, and I have had some relief just in the first week. This is all I can tell you so far, because this is all I've done in a week. Hashi's and iodine Is anyone a Hashi and adrenal patient that takes lugol's iodine or anyother form of iodine with good resultsThanksME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Do most people on the site like iodoral or lugo's better/ Thanks ME -- In iodine , " Gikas " <skg59@...> wrote: > > ME, > > I have hashi's and adrenal problems and as well as many others on the iodine deficiency list. I started the Iodoral one week ago, but I started with 1 tablet twice a day for a total of 25 mgs., but I'm going to increase to the 50mg. in divided doses starting tomorrow. I have already noticed less discomfort in my throat area, as I have a goiter too, and I have had some relief just in the first week. This is all I can tell you so far, because this is all I've done in a week. > > > Hashi's and iodine > > > Is anyone a Hashi and adrenal patient that takes lugol's iodine or any > other form of iodine with good results > > Thanks > ME > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 I've never been tested for Hashi's so I don't know if I have it. I do take 3 iodine drops every morning in water. After the first couple of weeks I felt some stiffness in my shoulder and my throat felt weird (kinda like I was fighting a cold). Those subsided and I can't say that I actually notice the difference. I am feeling better but it's probably a combination of the iodine/Armour. Terry > > Is anyone a Hashi and adrenal patient that takes lugol's iodine or any > other form of iodine with good results > > Thanks > ME > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 >From: " mem_mem_me " <maryellenmu@...> >Do most people on the site like iodoral or lugo's better/ >Thanks >ME People like me who don't care that much about taste, don't get upset stomachs from it prefer the cost of Lugol's Solution as it is much more economical. A one ounce bottle lasts a very long time if you take it orally. Iodoral tablets are quite a bit more expensive. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather & FORM=WLMTAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Not according to Dr. Brownstein. He treats all his Hashi patients (and Graves btw) with iodine. You really should get his book and read it. It is great info and will calm your fears. B.My Ebay Auctions: http://tinyurl.com/o9nqvMY SOY CANDLE STORE IS OPEN! COME VISIT:http://www.marloquinn.com/SoyScentsational Hashi's and Iodine Hi Everyone, Am I correct in thinking that Iodine supplementation stimulates a persons thyroid activity? If so, is Iodine supplementation wrong for a person with Hashi's? I am reading that I should be suppressing my DD's (6 years old) thyroid activity since she has hashi's. And if Iodine stimulates her thyroid aren't I doing the wrong thing by giving her Iodine? I am confused. My DD has been taking 2 drops of lugols every other day since starting Armour. She seems fine. But we have a Dr's appt on Monday the 18th and I want to get my facts straight. The Dr is the one who recommended the Lugol's. Thanks, s_Mom callmeshell.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 I have been reading about Abraham, Iodine and Autoimmune Issues but I am still confused. I would like to walk into the Dr's office on Monday and be able to talk to him about Iodine Supplementation and how it's going to effect my daughter. She is only 6. Could someone here please please set me straight. How is this going to help my daughter, will it enable her to get off of Armour? Should I have her take the Iodine loading test? Is her 2 drops(12.5 mg) every other day not enough or too much? I am trying to treat her the best I can and I just don't understand the conflicting things I have read about Iodine. s_Mom callmeshell.blogspot.com Hashi's and Iodine Hi Everyone, Am I correct in thinking that Iodine supplementation stimulates a persons thyroid activity? If so, is Iodine supplementation wrong for a person with Hashi's? I am reading that I should be suppressing my DD's (6 years old) thyroid activity since she has hashi's. And if Iodine stimulates her thyroid aren't I doing the wrong thing by giving her Iodine? I am confused. My DD has been taking 2 drops of lugols every other day since starting Armour. She seems fine. But we have a Dr's appt on Monday the 18th and I want to get my facts straight. The Dr is the one who recommended the Lugol's. Thanks, s_Mom callmeshell.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 , > My original question was, is Iodine supplementation wrong for a > person with Hashi's? I am reading that I should be suppressing my > DD's (6 years old) thyroid activity since she has hashi's. And if > Iodine stimulates her thyroid aren't I doing the wrong thing by > giving her Iodine? > > That's all I want to know.. I'm not an expert but here is my thought - iodine may sometimes be bad if you have Hashi's but since your daughter has already tried it and is doing well on it (I assume her antibodies have not gone up), then it is good for her. I think perhaps the reason there is confusion about Hashi's and iodine is that there is no one answer that fits every person. I suspect most with Hashi's can tolerate iodine but some can't. But again, since it seems like your daughter is tolerating the Lugol's well, then it is good for her. I think it is good for anyone who can tolerate it. It is only confusing and unclear when a person has trouble tolerating it. My two cents, Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 I am going to ask her Dr if he knows of Brownstein and Abraham. Thanks for the book suggestion. : ) > > Not according to Dr. Brownstein. He treats all his Hashi patients (and Graves btw) with iodine. You really should get his book and read it. It is great info and will calm your fears. > > B. > My Ebay Auctions: http://tinyurl.com/o9nqv > MY SOY CANDLE STORE IS OPEN! COME VISIT: > http://www.marloquinn.com/SoyScentsational > > > > Hashi's and Iodine > > > > Hi Everyone, > > Am I correct in thinking that Iodine supplementation stimulates a persons thyroid activity? If so, is Iodine supplementation wrong for a person with Hashi's? I am reading that I should be suppressing my DD's (6 years old) thyroid activity since she has hashi's. And if Iodine stimulates her thyroid aren't I doing the wrong thing by giving her Iodine? > > I am confused. My DD has been taking 2 drops of lugols every other day since starting Armour. She seems fine. But we have a Dr's appt on Monday the 18th and I want to get my facts straight. The Dr is the one who recommended the Lugol's. > > Thanks, > > > s_Mom > callmeshell.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 >From: " " <sabrinajellybean@...> > She has Hashi's. Why? I don't know. We livr in Massachusetts. Is it >a low iodine area? Beats me? Generally areas near the ocean are iodine sufficient. Which means not only can you get it from the seafood, but from the locally grown produce. That being said, not every resident of an iodine rich area eats iodine rich foods. Also, since the best source is seafood, that can cause mercury problems, if the government is right about the degree of contamination. (And I've never heard that the selenium in the fish protect against the mercury, which I've wondered about. If you have mercury exposure you should take selenium to protect against it. Did fish always have mercury levels, and that's why they have so much selenium? I speculate about that but have no idea of any scientist ever discussing that.) I guess the point is, living in Massachusettes near the ocean, means you're less likely to be iodine deficient than the inland population, but it's not certain. The iodine loading test might answer that. Anyways, I don't think the iodine will stimulate her thyroid unless the reason she is hypothyroid is due to being low in iodine, which is still possible. As somebody else said, if it hasn't had any obvious negative effect, she's probably not one of those with Hashimoto's that it causes problems for. Some people suspect that at least some cases of Hashimoto's starts with lack of iodine. Is the water fluoridated here? >Yes. Does she use it? No. No water would be bad. I'm assuming you mean you use bottled water. Unless specified otherwise, much of that is high in fluoride as is soda and juices (it's used as a pesticide.) You sound educated about the evils of fluoride. Did you know teflon is a fluoride, and it releases it into food. >But basically she is an obese 6 year old with Thyroid antibodies. She >has been on a low sugar diet for over a year now and could not drop a >lb. However, now that she is currently taking 1/2 gr of Armour every >morning and load of supplements I see an improvement in her weight >and her overall health. Are they taken together? Iron, magnesium, zinc and similar minerals interfere with absorption of thyroid hormone, so they should be spaced a long way apart. Also, at the TSH level you listed, she is probably quite undermedicated. When my son started Armour, within a short time he was on 3 grains. He was 10 when he started, but based on the TSH and other numbers, it's likely she needs more than she's getting. > >My original question was, is Iodine supplementation wrong for a >person with Hashi's? I am reading that I should be suppressing my >DD's (6 years old) thyroid activity since she has hashi's. At 1/2 grain, it's not being suppressed. Not to mention the TSH means it's not suppressed. I don't know it's supposed to be suppressed in Hashi's. But, suppressing the TSH will prevent goiter, and it's easy to prevent than to deal with afterward. See, most goiters are caused because the thyroid can't keep up with the demands of TSH, and so the cells swell and multiply. This process also makes it a lot more likely to get thyroid cancer. If she is hypothyroid because she is low in iodine, then she'll make adequate thyroid hormone and the TSH will go down and stop overstimulating the thyroid. Iodine doesn't really stimulate the thyroid in the way that it would have a negative effect. As for Hashi's - Sometimes the antibodies go down on thyroid medication, Sometimes they go down with adrenal support (hydrocortisone) In 25% of cases, they go away on their own for no known reason. If thyroid antibodies are not going down with treatment, I suspect you haven't found the right course of treatment. Many thyroid docs only know one. >The whole Iodine/thyroid thing is very confusing. I will talk to her >Dr on Monday and I will stick with him because he is good and caring >and great with kids. Most are not enlightened about iodine, and will tell you to stop immediately, or you'll kill her. Fortunately, there are some good doctors that come up with good ideas like iodine treatment. But, they're not accepted by everyone. It's not a bad idea to make a doctor a gift of a book on the subject. Some do really read. Others don't seem to read once they leave med school. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Search from any web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 My daughter is hypothyroi das well, and on Armour, an I'm going to talk to her doc. about iodine supplementation. But, I have a question on bromine. I have read the ingredients on my bread (I buy Pepperidge Farm) and I don't see it listed on there. Is it a hidden ingredient? Or do not all mfg. use it? She eats a lot of cereal too (organic, or Cheerios), where did you hear about the fluoride in it? Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~ ~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the purpose of storing dead batteries.~ > Does she eat a lot of cereal? Some say this has lots of fluoride in it. > > Bread has bromine which interferes with iodine function. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 >From: " Ives " <mives@...> >Reply-iodine ><iodine > >Subject: Re: Hashi's and Iodine >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:55:25 -0400 > >My daughter is hypothyroi das well, and on Armour, an I'm going to talk to >her doc. about iodine supplementation. > >But, I have a question on bromine. I have read the ingredients on my bread >(I buy Pepperidge Farm) and I don't see it listed on there. Is it a hidden >ingredient? Or do not all mfg. use it? I've read they use it as a dough " conditioner " . I don't know exactly what that means, but I suspect it means it doesn't have to be on the label. Until the 1980s they used iodine for this, and the USA was a lot more iodine sufficient. > >She eats a lot of cereal too (organic, or Cheerios), where did you hear >about the fluoride in it? Those cereal manufacturers care a lot about people's health. In high school, my daughter worked at Post for a short time in an internship program, the food scientists told her it was important to spray the zinc on the cereal, so the eaters could read zinc on the box and be happy about it. The fact it couldn't be absorbed in that form was unimportant. http://www.fluoridealert.org/f-sources.htm#I PROCESSED CEREALS " [F]ood processing often concentrates fluoride, and foods processed with fluoridated water typically have higher fluoride concentrations than foods processed with non-fluoridated water... A study that found marked differences between cereaals processed in fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas showed that cereals processed in a fluoridated area had fluoride concentrations ranging from 3.8 ppm to 6.3 ppm... " - Warren JJ, Levy SM. (2003). Current and future role of fluoride in nutrition. Dental Clinics of North America 47: 225-43. " [D]uring manufacturing, infant dry cereals are processed in a slurry and placed in a revolving drying drum. The water from the slurry evaporates, and the fluoride from the water remains in the cereal. Thus, the fluoride concentration of the water used during processing can substantially affect the final fluoride concentration... Infants who eat large quantities of dry infant cereals reconstituted with fluoridated water could ingest substantial quantities of fluoride from this source. " - Heilman JR, et al. (1997). Fluoride concentrations of infant foods. Journal of the American Dental Association 128(7):857-63. *************************** Everyone knows fluoride is good for you, why would they remove it from cereal? The Kellogg Foundation even helped pay for salt fluoridation in poor countries - http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/000132.htm The company which has supplied the funding for the mass salt fluoridation programs in Latin America is Kellogg's, through the Kellogg Foundation. In the 1980s it helped implement universal salt fluoridation in Costa Rica and Peru. ******************************************************************* Here's a site that actually lists the fluoride content of cereal - http://www.fortcollinscwa.org/pages/fluoride.htm http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2006-07-27/news_story2.php And that's not to mention all the sources of hidden fluoride we consume every day in products processed in fluoridated areas, including pop (71 per cent of sodas tested had levels of fluoride at or above Toronto's current tap water levels), cereal, wine, beer, seafood, juice and tea (which can soak up as much as 6 ppm from the fluoride in soil in volcanic regions). It's even added to some bottled water in response to public concerns that drinking non-fluoridated water could rot kids' teeth. In fact, Hazel , director of dental and oral health services at the Toronto Public Health Department admits that's partly why the city decided to drop the dose last year to .6 ppm. " We have no control over the amount of fluoride in these products whatsoever. People are being exposed to a lot more fluoride. " ************************************* When my son was an infant, he developed colic after the doctor prescribed fluoride. (Imagine that, if one didn't have fluoridated water their doctor can prescribe the poison.) When he was older, he started eating cereals in large quantities, and would eat almost nothing else.. I have wondered if that's what made him hypothyroid. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us & source=wlmai\ ltagline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 >From: " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...> >from someone with an atrophied thyroid gland from hashi's.....i'm >assuming no iodine is going to be taken up by the thyroid? or is that >a wrong assumption? Not everyone with Hashi's has an atrophied gland. Also, I would suspect if the antibodies are not going down, there's something wrong with the treatment. Thyroid medication usually lowers antibodies. Hydrocortisone sometimes lowers thyroid antibodies. According to thyroidmanager.org, 25% of the cases simply go into remission Selenium has been found to lower the antibodies. So, if antibodies are still present, one should wonder why, though many doctors don't bother to check because, " it doesn't make a difference in the treatment. " How many people a year do their mistakes kill, about 200,000 or some other obscene amount? As for the iodine question, iodine can heal. Whether or not it can heal a shriveled thyroid, I don't know. Isn't it mainly connective tissue, which means things that are good for connective tissue would be helpful? Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.get\ ..live.com/spaces/features Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 i don't know...i've seen autopsy findings on a hashi's gland..and it doesn't sound real repairable at later stage....but certainly early stage sounds fixable/stoppable. cindi > > As for the iodine question, iodine can heal. Whether or not it can heal a > shriveled thyroid, I don't know. Isn't it mainly connective tissue, which > means things that are good for connective tissue would be helpful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Oh trust me....on most days I feel more like a mad scientist!! LOL!! I'm right there with ya! Nanci From: <claudia_homer@...>Subject: Re: Hashi's and iodineiodine Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 4:58 PM Yeah, I feel like a chemistry experiment gone arwy (sp?), lol. ~ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 no I have all my parts! I needed high dose hormones along with Armour and cortef I guess b/c I had been untreated for so long. now I am going to try again to lower the hormones. I have been taking 100mg Iodoral for 2 years now, and I am hopeful it will help with sex hormones. gracia McGregor wrote: > > > Wow...this is a lot more than I'm taking...did you doctor recommend > that? Did you have a hysterectomy? > > > > > From: Gracia <circe@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Hashi's and iodine > iodine > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 8:46 PM > > > many ppl have a weight prob on T4 only meds. I take 5 FIVE mg > estradiol > daily. > gracia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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