Is it possible to start to convert T4 to T3 again?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

After seeing Dr. P recently, he told me I now have a conversion

deficit and to add some T3 to my Armour. I have had a few health

problems, mainly digestive, and believe these have messed up my system

big time. When I was taking T4 alone, I was converting - so something

has gone wrong. Is it possible to start converting enough T3 again or

is this how it will be?

Luv

Anne

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

I have never heard of anyone regaining the ability to convert. I

just take the T3 pills and feel well! I don't mean to dismiss your worries,

but it is really a magic pill for me.

Before I saw Dr. P I was really constipated, indigestion, gas all that, and

after it took a while to settle, but now I'm fine.

Hi,

After seeing Dr. P recently, he told me I now have a conversion

deficit and to add some T3 to my Armour. I have had a few health

problems, mainly digestive, and believe these have messed up my system

big time. When I was taking T4 alone, I was converting - so something

has gone wrong. Is it possible to start converting enough T3 again or

is this how it will be?

Luv

Anne

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[Guest guest]

> Have you tried taking tiny amounts of the Nutri Thyroid and Nutri

Adrenal and building the dose up very slowly. If not, it might be

worth giving it a try.

Yes, I've been doing that since June of this year. Had to start on a

1/4 of a tablet, upping only weekly and still got into trouble!

>See what Dr Peatfield has to say in the New Year, but don't leave

it long before you contact him.

No. I won't. I saw him again at the beginning of December - that's

when he told me try the Nutri thyroid again. I spoke to him just

before Christmas and he was a bit puzzled at my reaction yet again.

I have to email him in a couple of weeks after keeping track of my

temps and BP etc and also tell him how I've felt.

The strange thing is that I don't think I feel nearly as bad as some

who post on here. It's that that puzzles both Dr P and myself,

especially considering my low labs. Although I realise that in all

honesty I can't remember what it feels like to have a " normal head "

or be without certain things, like sore eyes, headaches, dizziness,

sinus problems etc etc - I just thought they were part of

being " me " .

I really don't know where I go from here. Dr P said we might have to

think outside the box a bit and do a bit of tweaking. Not quite sure

what he means but I'll let you know when I next speak to him.

Thanks as always Sheila.

.

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

This is really interesting. It’s good to know that some healing can

occur, but I think that I was too sick for too long to recover. I feel well on

my current dose, but this would be far too high for almost everybody else.

Is it possible to start to convert

T4 to T3 again?

I was not converting before I

started adrenal support in the form of hc. Adrenal glandulars did not

help in this. Now I convert fine and have recently (3 mo.) had to up my

thyroxine to up my FT4 levels, while my FT3 levels are fine also with 2.25

grains also.

Val

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Symptoms wise, if you can't convert then no matter how much T4

you are given you won't get well and remain with many hypo symptoms and

probably some actually caused by the presence of too much T4. If all is well

then tests would show free t4 and free T4 at the same level in the range,

but if you can't convert then T3 will be lower than T4- thus showing an

inability to utilise the T4- a T4 build up like this can cause joint pain

for example. I suffered with this when I was on too much Armour ( source of

T4 and all other thyroid hormones) and not enough T3, when the Armour dose

was reduced and the T3 increased to compensate the pain slowly disappeared.

I'm a pretty extreme case needing to add T3 to the amounts available from

Armour- most folk like to add little T4 to Armour to make the ratio of T4 to

T3 nearer the norm of a healthy human. Pigs naturally have more T3 than

humans.

- how can you tell if you're not converting?

Thanks - .

Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always

consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

I was only taking armour when I started taking thyroid, but did not feel that good until after adding 25mcg thyroxine & also starting hc.

Val

Your Free T3 levels are fine and dandy BECAUSE you are taking natural thyroid extract that contains T3 Val. If you stopped your Armour and went back onto l-thyroxine alone, you would still find you were not converting at all.Luv - Sheila

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That's understandable Val. The amount of T4 and T3 in Armour is standardised and as such, those amounts are OK for some people but not everybody. We are all different and need a dose that will take away all our symptoms. Some need a little more synthetic T3 adding and some need a little more synthetic T4 adding to feel well. I too found I needed 25 mcgs thyroxine before all my symptoms left me when I got up to 2 grains of Armour. I still can't do without the extra 25 mcgs.

Luv - Sheila

>> I was only taking armour when I started taking thyroid, but did not feel that good until after adding 25mcg thyroxine & also starting hc.> > Val> > Your Free T3 levels are fine and dandy BECAUSE you are taking natural thyroid extract that contains T3 Val. If you stopped your Armour and went back onto l-thyroxine alone, you would still find you were not converting at all.> > Luv - Sheila>

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Hi ,

Yes it is expensive, depending if you have a mouthful of them as I had. I went to http://www.lavender-barn.biz/ to get mine done - it is important to use someone who knows what they are doing. Although I did not use her method of chelation - I followed Andy's method - see the groups adult-metal-chelation and also frequent-dose-chelation for details of what to do (this is extremely important). I was having great difficulty reading & replying to emails, could not read a book (I could not follow more than a couple of lines and this with my head swimming) whereas now I read lots of books, had difficulty driving & crawled along on country roads avoiding the main ones at my worst, I hated walking along streets as my head was that fuzzy I could not properly judge my size I think and where people ended & I began so as to not bumo into people or that is what it felt like. I did not have tests first as I had decided that this is what I wanted to try - my tinnitus got better in days athough this was not that bad.

My hubby is having his done in a couple of months, as I do not see the point in me breathing in his & also me absorbing them from his body fluids.

It is worth getting HSA dental cover, I believe. I did not have it when I had mine done as I had not heard of it. I would look into it to see if it covers the replacement. I think someone on here in the past used that for hers. I am not sure on their strict critteria of being necessary as against cosmetic, but I am hoping that hubby's will be within the policy. I will cross my fingers & toes for the next 2-3 months until I find out when I make the claim!

Val

I know it's a bit of a controversial topic but I think I have some info on it bookmarked which I'm going to revisit. And I'm intrigued by the fact that your head improved after getting your amalgams sorted. Was it expensive and did you have to go somewhere special and have tests first or something? Did you notice an improvement straightaway?

[Guest guest]

Hi

A thought occured to me because of your very low FT3 and very low FT4, with a TSH slap bang in the middle of the reference interval, together with you being unable to tolerate thyroid hormone replacement. There is a condition called Sick Euthyroid Syndrome and I wonder whether this could be your problem. You might ask Dr Peatfield about this, and I am probably barking up the wrong tree anyway, but it might be worth considering. Here is a paper discussing this condition. See if you feel any of this fits you. http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic753.htm

Luv - Sheila

Thanks for your reply . Although both my T3 and T4 are very low, my T3 is higher, so I think I'm converting ok. > I'm a pretty extreme case needing to add T3 to the amounts available from ...Shows how we're all so individual. I'm glad I'm not the only one to be a bit extreme in reactions to stuff!! I think I'm learning that it's what works FOR YOU that is important to discover.

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[Guest guest]

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> Hi ,

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> Yes it is expensive, depending if you have a mouthful of them as I

had. I went to http://www.lavender-barn.biz/ to get mine done - it

is important to use someone who knows what they are doing. Although

I did not use her method of chelation - I followed Andy's method -

see the groups adult-metal-chelation and also frequent-dose-

chelation for details of what to do (this is extremely important).

I was having great difficulty reading & replying to emails, could

not read a book ... I hated walking along streets as my head was

that fuzzy I could not properly judge my size I think and where

people ended & I began so as to not bumo into people or that is what

it felt like.

Val - many thanks. I've looked at the link you gave. Actually, I

thought it would be more expensive than that so was pleasantly

surprised. I couldn't find anything about the chelation though. I

don't know too much about that except I've read somewhere that it

can be hard on the adrenals if they are weak. Did I miss a link?

The description of the way your head was is about the nearest one to

mine I've ever come across in all the years I've had

migraine/vertigo problems. That alone makes me wonder about the

mercury connection. But I know there are other issues afoot as well,

so I'll keep an open mind.

But I really appreciate your thoughts about the mercury. Seems this

is an issue that keeps cropping up for a reason. I'm going to

look at it in more depth, even though if I'm honest, I find it a

little scary. I mean, who likes going to the dentist!!!

Good luck with your claim.

[Guest guest]

> A thought occured to me because of your very low FT3 and very low

>FT4, with a TSH slap bang in the middle of the reference interval,

>together with you being unable to tolerate thyroid hormone

>replacement. There is a condition called Sick Euthyroid Syndrome

and >I wonder whether this could be your problem. You might ask Dr

>Peatfield about this, and I am probably barking up the wrong tree

>anyway, but it might be worth considering. Here is a paper

discussing >this condition. See if you feel any of this fits you.

>http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic753.htm

Wow, Sheila, what a read! Technical but fascinating. I've thoroughly

enjoyed spending the last couple of hours getting my brain-fogged

mind around it all! No, seriously, it's thrown up some really

interesting possibilities in my mind and given me lots to follow

through and research further.

Does any of it fit me? Maybe but I'm not entirely sure. The idea of

surgery precipitating something certainly was true with me last

year. And other ideas that I've toyed with but don't yet fully

understand were talked about too. Like peripheral tissue metabolism,

the liver connection, TBG, certain mineral deficiencies, reverse T3

etc.

And please don't worry about possibly barking up the wrong tree. At

present I am just so grateful for any ideas at all which might move

me forward. Your suggestion is very, very much appreciated.

I've made a note so that I remember to mention it to Dr P when I

next speak to him.

Thanks again