Re: Could it be iodine? Skipper

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Can you comment on this? My dad was just told that he needed to take antibiotics before each dental visit due to a heart murmur. Do you have more info on this? It was new to me when my mom told me about it. He won't be doing this for quite a while so I would like to have info before he goes through it.

Just like it would be unconscionable to do a double blind study to test whether it was actually safer to give patients a prophylactiic antibiotice before dental treatments to prevent endocarditis. They won't do studies because they want to claim it would be unconscionable because they already know the outcome. They ignore the fact that some people die because they take those antibiotics. There is a known death rate from penicillin and other drugs.Skipper__________________________________________________________Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us & source=wlmailtagline

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Skipper,I would also be interested in this.  With my MVP diagnosis that's the protocol, standard antibiotic treatment before any dental work.  I was wondering if your wife adheres to this or not.  I'm not necessarily willing to go along with this protocol as I what I have read states that it is a very small minority of people who have MVP that actually are at risk for the heart infection.  It's more a prophylactic shotgun approach to protect that minority.  I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.  I need to have some dental work done soon so I'll have to make up my mind shortly.LinnOn Sep 10, 2006, at 11:22 AM, ladybugsandbees wrote:Can you comment on this?  My dad was just told that he needed to take antibiotics before each dental visit due to a heart murmur.  Do you have more info on this?  It was new to me when my mom told me about it.  He won't be doing this for quite a while so I would like to have info before he goes through it.   Just like it would be unconscionable to do a double blind study to test whether it was actually safer to give patients a prophylactiic antibiotice before dental treatments to prevent endocarditis. They won't do studies because they want to claim it would be unconscionable because they already know the outcome. They ignore the fact that some people die because they take those antibiotics. There is a known death rate from penicillin and other drugs.Skipper

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>From: " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...>

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>Can you comment on this? My dad was just told that he needed to take

>antibiotics before each dental visit due to a heart murmur. Do you have

>more info on this? It was new to me when my mom told me about it. He

>won't be doing this for quite a while so I would like to have info before

>he goes through it.

I've commented further in other posts since my original. Does Dr.

Brownstein have an opinion on this, can old people be convinced not to

believe the doctor or dentist?

Anyways, I believe the risk of taking the antibiotic is greater.

Thoroughly rinsing with an antiseptic before going, as well as having iodine

in your system is likely to be helfpul.

Here's another excerpt about it. Notice they are using patients who were

actually infected. That's because it's been pointed out that a double blind

study of patients taking or not taking antibiotics to prove the case for

taking antibiotics would have to be exceedingly large since endocarditis is

so rare, and because of that they've decided the outcome and think it would

be unconscionable not to give antibiotics and they usually totally ignore

the death rate of the antibitocs given. Also note from below it's not 100%

effective, and notice the Dutch study claimed it might have helped 5.3% of

the patients -

http://www.cda-adc.ca/jcda/vol-65/issue-2/95.html

Correlation between dental visits and subsequent endocarditis does not prove

cause and effect, especially in light of the fact that dental treatment is a

possible cause of very few cases of infective endocarditis.

A Dutch study2 assessed 427 patients with endocarditis

Therefore, even if antibiotic prophylaxis was 100% effective and was

provided for all at-risk patients receiving dental treatment, only a small

fraction of cases of endocarditis (5.3%) would be potentially prevented.

A more recent study assessed patients in 54 hospitals in the Philadelphia

area.3 A total of 287 cases of endocarditis were identified;

It was found that in the three months preceding the diagnosis of

endocarditis, dental treatment was no more frequent in these patients than

in non-infected age- and sex-matched control patients.

In this study, dental treatment was not seen to represent a risk for

infective endocarditis, even in patients with cardiac valve abnormalities.

However, the presence of cardiac valvular abnormalities did represent a risk

factor.

The statistical risk for endocarditis did not change regardless of whether

antibiotics were used in dental treatment. Very few cases of infective

endocarditis would be prevented even if antibiotic prophylaxis was provided

for dental procedures and was 100% effective.

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At least in the last study, the outcome didn't change based on taking

antibiotics. Why would taking a single dose of an antibiotic change

anything in a positive manner? It does mess up the intestinal fuana and

does much damage. I think antibiotics ought to be saved for serious illness

where someone would die without it.

The problem with that, is since doctors don't believe in Vitamin C and

things of that nature, the only way for them to make sick patients well is

to give them antibiotics. Meanwhile they have diarrhea and kill the good

bacteria in their gut, which makes them more prone to illness.

Taking Vitamin C after dental procedures is a good idea. But, it supposedly

makes numbing much more difficult if taken in advance.

If one is on hydrocortisone (Cortef) and having dental work, it greatly

helps the recovery to double or quadruple the dose before going to the

dentist. It makes a huge difference.

Skipper

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I can attest to that! I had many painful dental procedures over the

years because I did not know enough to cut back on C for 8-12 hours

prior to the dental work.

Alobar

On 9/10/06, Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> Taking Vitamin C after dental procedures is a good idea. But, it supposedly

> makes numbing much more difficult if taken in advance.

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> Skipper

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Thanks for that tip, I have a  hard enough time with those numbing techniques to begin with.LinnOn Sep 10, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Alobar wrote:I can attest to that! I had many painful dental procedures over theyears because I did not know enough to cut back on C for 8-12 hoursprior to the dental work.AlobarOn 9/10/06, Skipper Beers <lsb149hotmail> wrote:> Taking Vitamin C after dental procedures is a good idea. But, it supposedly> makes numbing much more difficult if taken in advance.>>> Skipper>. 

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>From: Mar Heck <mheck@...>

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>Posted this before, but it didn't come through. Just had to comment on

>this one. My husband nearly died in December from NOT taking antibiotics

>before going to the dentist. (Had had his teeth cleaned dozens of times

>before with no ill effects and did not have a defective heart valve. Just

>rotten luck.)

Did he develop symptoms immediately after the cleaning?

Skipper

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I was told the same thing. So I don't go to the dentist, because I'm not taking prophylactic antibiotics.

You do know, Steph, that heart murmur is a symptom of hypothyroid?

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Can you comment on this? My dad was just told that he needed to take antibiotics before each dental visit due to a heart murmur. Do you have more info on this? It was new to me when my mom told me about it. He won't be doing this for quite a while so I would like to have info before he goes through it.