Re: Iodoral dosing: Gracia

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I usually take Iodoral 25mg at about 9 a.m and then 25mg again after dinner. When I first started Iodoral I needed to take more about 4 p.m. I would get very anxious and tired, take Iodoral and it would go away. That was really amazing to me. I seriously would have been unwell on a dose lower than 50mg/day. I even think that too little will stress the adrenals more. I noticed that Zoe said she is taking Iodoral with food, but then I was thinking, isn't Iodoral supposed to break down in intestinal tract, not stomach? I haven't noticed a difference--with food or without.

I did take the cortef today! Maybe I will try splitting Armour dose (240mg)

Gracia

Hi Gracia,I was wondering if you can tell me how you dose your Iodoral with Armourand Cortef? I know you take your Iodoral twice a day--how many hours apart? I've just started taking Iodoral and I plan to build to 50 mgs. a day.Yesterday, I took one 12.5 tablet and within an hour I had such a feelingof well-being but it pushed my temps to 98.7 and my pulse to 80. I'mthinking I should have let the Cortef work for an hour or so beforetaking the Iodoral?? I am taking Cortef 4x/day and Armour 2x/day. I takeArmour at least an hour before Cortef. Thanks!Dahlia

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>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> I usually take Iodoral 25mg at about 9 a.m and then 25mg again after

>dinner. When I first started Iodoral I needed to take more about 4 p.m. I

>would get very anxious and tired, take Iodoral and it would go away. That

>was really amazing to me. I seriously would have been unwell on a dose

>lower than 50mg/day. I even think that too little will stress the

>adrenals more. I noticed that Zoe said she is taking Iodoral with food,

>but then I was thinking, isn't Iodoral supposed to break down in intestinal

>tract, not stomach? I haven't noticed a difference--with food or without.

> I did take the cortef today! Maybe I will try splitting Armour dose

>(240mg)

> Gracia

Why are you thinking of cutting the Cortef?

If it were me ( ignoring the other hormones which I wonder are excessive,

and could have side effects ) i would first see if I could lower my Armour

dosage.

Or at the very least, get the cortisol levels tested before going down. It

could be the cortisol is elevated due to taking progesterone and

derivatives, and you don't need Cortef any more. But, when you talk about

the Cortef you sound like an 's patient, not just someone with low

adrenals.. If your adrenals are really as bad as I've gotten the

impression, I would be extremely careful on lowering the Cortef.

Anyway, you are on a large dose or Armour. Maybe things are getting better

so you can take less.

If you started the Armour before the Cortef, you wouldn't have been able to

utilize the Armour well, so that may be why you initially needed so much.

It may be you don't any more.

You know, if you take too much Armour there's a braking mechanism, and

that's what rT3 is. (Inactive T4 gets excreted, or turns into either active

T3 or inactive rT3.) Some people on large doses of Armour are simply

turning too much of the T4 into rT3. Since rT3 may interfere with the T3

receptors, it may be the effective dose of thyroid hormone they are getting

is a lot lower than they think.

Some people are like my wife. She could take 18 grains of Armour and still

need more. Dr. Derry described how with the old BMR test this is how some

people would be. They would improve with each increase, but then they'd

lose the improvement and would have to increase to higher levels. My wife

got up to 18 grains in this manner, and at 18 grains her pulse and BP were

lower than before treatment, which was good, but she didn't seem to find a

level where she would plateau out and not need any more.

Testing the rT3 might show you have extremely high levels because of the

dosage of Armour you're on, as did my wife.

Now she takes timed release T3 ('s idea for a treatment, though she's

being treated more like Lowe's patients, only with timed release T3 instead

of Cytomel.)

If you are thinking about lowering some of your hormones, it is something to

think about. From your description the Cortef would be kind of scary to

change. It's probably the last thing I would lower unless I was sure I was

ready.

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what? LOL

standard dose of Armour is 180-300mg. I am taking 240mg and think it's just right. I only have half a thyroid gland ((

As I said I took the cortef today. Every so often I think I can stop taking it but it doesn't appear to be the case.

An ND did test my rT3. It was very expensive and the result was zero. He was disappointed b/c he wanted to put me on s protocol and wean me off of Armour. Oh he wanted me to do EFT too, emotional freedom tecnique. He thought I needed it b/c I was pissed off that I lost 30 years of my life due to poor medical care.

I cannot in any way lower the sex hormones. I would become very sick. They are very normal if you look at ranges on WIP and Hertoghe's book Hormone Solutions. I really think sex hormones are a wonderful way to prevent diseases of aging.

Hertoghe has said that American women come to him for hormone therapy b/c they don't get proper treatment in US.

Gracia

>From: "Gracia" <circe@...>> I usually take Iodoral 25mg at about 9 a.m and then 25mg again after >dinner. When I first started Iodoral I needed to take more about 4 p.m. I >would get very anxious and tired, take Iodoral and it would go away. That >was really amazing to me. I seriously would have been unwell on a dose >lower than 50mg/day. I even think that too little will stress the >adrenals more. I noticed that Zoe said she is taking Iodoral with food, >but then I was thinking, isn't Iodoral supposed to break down in intestinal >tract, not stomach? I haven't noticed a difference--with food or without.> I did take the cortef today! Maybe I will try splitting Armour dose >(240mg)> GraciaWhy are you thinking of cutting the Cortef?If it were me ( ignoring the other hormones which I wonder are excessive, and could have side effects ) i would first see if I could lower my Armour dosage.Or at the very least, get the cortisol levels tested before going down. It could be the cortisol is elevated due to taking progesterone and derivatives, and you don't need Cortef any more. But, when you talk about the Cortef you sound like an 's patient, not just someone with low adrenals.. If your adrenals are really as bad as I've gotten the impression, I would be extremely careful on lowering the Cortef.Anyway, you are on a large dose or Armour. Maybe things are getting better so you can take less.If you started the Armour before the Cortef, you wouldn't have been able to utilize the Armour well, so that may be why you initially needed so much. It may be you don't any more.You know, if you take too much Armour there's a braking mechanism, and that's what rT3 is. (Inactive T4 gets excreted, or turns into either active T3 or inactive rT3.) Some people on large doses of Armour are simply turning too much of the T4 into rT3. Since rT3 may interfere with the T3 receptors, it may be the effective dose of thyroid hormone they are getting is a lot lower than they think.Some people are like my wife. She could take 18 grains of Armour and still need more. Dr. Derry described how with the old BMR test this is how some people would be. They would improve with each increase, but then they'd lose the improvement and would have to increase to higher levels. My wife got up to 18 grains in this manner, and at 18 grains her pulse and BP were lower than before treatment, which was good, but she didn't seem to find a level where she would plateau out and not need any more.Testing the rT3 might show you have extremely high levels because of the dosage of Armour you're on, as did my wife.Now she takes timed release T3 ('s idea for a treatment, though she's being treated more like Lowe's patients, only with timed release T3 instead of Cytomel.)If you are thinking about lowering some of your hormones, it is something to think about. From your description the Cortef would be kind of scary to change. It's probably the last thing I would lower unless I was sure I was ready.Skipper__________________________________________________________MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601 & tcode=wlmtagline

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>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> what? LOL

> standard dose of Armour is 180-300mg.

According to who? This is from Armour's own information -

http://rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/armourthyroid_ids.htm

" Most patients require 60 to 120 mg/day. Failure to respond to doses of 180

mg suggests lack of compliance or malabsorption "

I know, some people really do need more. But, to say the standard dose is

higher would disagree with Armour's own product insert.

> An ND did test my rT3. It was very expensive and the result was zero.

That's strange, as producing some rT3 is normal for everyone.

Was this before you were on Cortef?

Rind says -

" RT3: Reflects the level of Reverse T3. I used to measure this often but

found little need for it once I realized the approximate value can be

estimated from knowing T4 and T3 values since we know that T4 will become

either T3 or RT3. For example, if the T4 is elevated and the T3 is low, we

know that RT3 (what the rest of the T4 becomes) will be relatively

elevated. "

So, does that mean your T3 is high, or that both your T3 and rT3 are not

measurable? If you werent' on a T3 only med when getting the result, I

would have asked the lab to redo it, because it's not likely to be correct.

Those on enough Cytomel or timed release T3 to suppress their TSH, will not

have any rT3. Anyone taking a T4 product, or producing T4 on their own will

have rT3, or there's something wrong with them. I don't know what, as I

can't find anything by searching, but it's not normal and probably indicates

the lab didn't know what they were doing.

I'm not sure what the problem is, as the concept of rT3 has not been well

understood, but if it's not a lab error, then there is some kind of problem.

rT3 is normal, and not bad unless it's excessive.

>He was disappointed b/c he wanted to put me on s protocol and wean me

>off of Armour.

It does work for some people.

> Oh he wanted me to do EFT too, emotional freedom tecnique. He thought

>I needed it b/c I was pissed off that I lost 30 years of my life due to

>poor medical care.

I do the EFT tapping on occassion. It does seem to do something. Probably

frees the energy centers somehow. Mercola certainly gives it lots of

credit. I dont' tknow.

My thyroid doc notices people tend to get hostile after he treats them.

Were patient for 20 or 30 years and finally get treated, and then they start

complaining and getting mad. I was that way to a degree. It's normal.

I searched for a while, and see no mention of low rT3. Some people seem to

think that T3 and rT3 get measured together and considered T3, but it's not

supposed to be that way.

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well then something is wrong. Why would they change the dose guidelines so

drastically?

And I think it's healthy to be really pissed off at this disease maintenance

system. It kept me alive. (But actually I would never want to go through

what I did again. I would rather die).

My free T4 is tippy top, free T3 just a bit over, TSH .06 last I knew. I

am a little curious what the TSH is now that I take iodine, but not yet

motivated to do the test.

Gracia

> >From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

>

>> what? LOL

>> standard dose of Armour is 180-300mg.

>

> According to who? This is from Armour's own information -

>

> http://rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/armourthyroid_ids.htm

> " Most patients require 60 to 120 mg/day. Failure to respond to doses of

> 180

> mg suggests lack of compliance or malabsorption "

>

> I know, some people really do need more. But, to say the standard dose is

> higher would disagree with Armour's own product insert.

>

>

>> An ND did test my rT3. It was very expensive and the result was zero.

>

> That's strange, as producing some rT3 is normal for everyone.

>

> Was this before you were on Cortef?

>

>

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>>Posted by: "Gracia" circe@... graciabee

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:01 am (PST)

I usually take Iodoral 25mg at about 9 a.m and then 25mg again after dinner. When I first started Iodoral I needed to take more about 4 p.m. I would get very anxious and tired, take Iodoral and it would go away. That was really amazing to me. I seriously would have been unwell on a dose lower than 50mg/day. I even think that too little will stress the adrenals more. I noticed that Zoe said she is taking Iodoral with food, but then I was thinking, isn't Iodoral supposed to break down in intestinal tract, not stomach? I haven't noticed a difference--with food or without.I did take the cortef today! Maybe I will try splitting Armour dose (240mg)>>

Hi Gracia,

I've started on the long road to titrating Iodoral with Armour + Cortef. It seems to upset everything! My pulses and temps, which were good, are now dropping, although my bp is staying more or less the same. I called Flechas' office for any info and he thought I should begin withdrawing Armour, by 15-30 mgs.

You never had to adjust your Armour dose when you added Iodoral?

I am thinking of keeping my a.m. dose of Armour (45 mg) and reducing my afternoon dose of 45 down to 30.

Any thoughts?

Dahlia

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hi Dahlia

I posted about this a bit in answer to your other post. Did you see it? All I can say, and I know this really upsets peeps LOL is that I just felt MUCH better on 25mg Iodoral 2X a day (not Iosol). Keep the cortef 5mg 4X a day and then add Armour as needed. NO I never needed to decrease the Armour.

have to go to work today!

happy thanks!

Gracia

>>Posted by: "Gracia" circe@... graciabee

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:01 am (PST)

I usually take Iodoral 25mg at about 9 a.m and then 25mg again after dinner. When I first started Iodoral I needed to take more about 4 p.m. I would get very anxious and tired, take Iodoral and it would go away. That was really amazing to me. I seriously would have been unwell on a dose lower than 50mg/day. I even think that too little will stress the adrenals more. I noticed that Zoe said she is taking Iodoral with food, but then I was thinking, isn't Iodoral supposed to break down in intestinal tract, not stomach? I haven't noticed a difference--with food or without.I did take the cortef today! Maybe I will try splitting Armour dose (240mg)>>

Hi Gracia,

I've started on the long road to titrating Iodoral with Armour + Cortef. It seems to upset everything! My pulses and temps, which were good, are now dropping, although my bp is staying more or less the same. I called Flechas' office for any info and he thought I should begin withdrawing Armour, by 15-30 mgs.

You never had to adjust your Armour dose when you added Iodoral?

I am thinking of keeping my a.m. dose of Armour (45 mg) and reducing my afternoon dose of 45 down to 30.

Any thoughts?

Dahlia

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>>hi DahliaI posted about this a bit in answer to your other post. Did you see it? All I can say, and I know this really upsets peeps LOL is that I just felt MUCH better on 25mg Iodoral 2X a day (not Iosol). Keep the cortef 5mg 4X a day and then add Armour as needed. NO I never needed to decrease the Armour.have to go to work today!happy thanks!Gracia>>

Hi Gracia,

work, on thanksgiving?

I'm working my way to 25 mg Iodoral 2X a day and adjusting my armour accordingly (down) and keeping my h.c. dosing as is.

Dahlia

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>>hi DahliaI work in a group home for mentally retarded adults. Today I got paid double time and a half. I need the $$$ .

you may not necessarily have to decrease the Armour.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,

work, on thanksgiving?

I'm working my way to 25 mg Iodoral 2X a day and adjusting my armour accordingly (down) and keeping my h.c. dosing as is.

Dahlia

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