Re: AM Body Temp

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Are you supplementing iodine, Kathleen? My temp has gone up with

iodine. Also, I wouldn't take thyroid meds without supplementing with

iodine. I did that and I think it totally messed up my hormones.

Sharon

> I've started again taking my am temp via arm pit. After being on

> thyroid meds for over a year my temp is still avg. 96.6..mmm What's

> been your experience while taking Iodoral? Temps raising? My

cortisol

> blood test came back with high out of range am, and in mid range

pm.

> I'm slowly raising my Armour but am I missing something to get that

am

> body temp up higher? Any thoughts?

>

> Thank you

> Kathleen

>

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My temps didn't go up until I removed my amalgam fillings. I took 50 mg's

Iodoral and 4 gr Armour - nothing.

B.

What's been your experience while taking Iodoral? Temps raising? My cortisol

blood test came back with high out of range am, and in mid range pm.

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>From: " kathleen_nick42 " <hanlonk@...>

>I've started again taking my am temp via arm pit. After being on

>thyroid meds for over a year my temp is still avg. 96.6..mmm What's

>been your experience while taking Iodoral? Temps raising? My cortisol

>blood test came back with high out of range am, and in mid range pm.

>I'm slowly raising my Armour but am I missing something to get that am

>body temp up higher? Any thoughts?

The average starting dose used to be 3 grains of Armour as this much was

necessary to affect basal metabolism. (That's a comment that Dr.

Derry made, and is confirmed by my 1940 Merck Manual from a time when the

goal of thyroid therapy was to alleviate symptoms and not make labs look

pretty.)

How much are you on?

How many thermometers do you use? I'm not real confident of their accuracy.

Low adrenals also cause low body temp.

Anemia can cause low body temp.

Other causes -

low calorie diets

Inadequate protein

chemicals

artificial sweeteners

Beta blockers and many other drugs

lack of sleep

Yeast infection

Parasites.

Interesting page -

http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/coldbody.html

The Cold Body Page

Skipper

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Sharon, I'm only taking approx. 278 mcg via some supplements that

have it in the formula. I have an appt. with my doc later this month

and will present these #'s and hopefully get a prescpt for Iodoral or

lugols to get started with a higher dose. Thank you

>

> Are you supplementing iodine, Kathleen? My temp has gone up with

> iodine. Also, I wouldn't take thyroid meds without supplementing

with

> iodine. I did that and I think it totally messed up my hormones.

> Sharon

>

>

> > I've started again taking my am temp via arm pit. After being on

> > thyroid meds for over a year my temp is still avg. 96.6..mmm

What's

> > been your experience while taking Iodoral? Temps raising? My

> cortisol

> > blood test came back with high out of range am, and in mid range

> pm.

> > I'm slowly raising my Armour but am I missing something to get

that

> am

> > body temp up higher? Any thoughts?

> >

> > Thank you

> > Kathleen

> >

>

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Kathleen,

While I think every little bit of iodine helps, 278 mcg plus

whatever you are eating is probably less than the amount your body

really needs. That is just in my opinion - I haven't seen a

consensus on what the 'real' RDA should be but I've seen suggestions

ranging from about 1mg - 15mg.

I just wanted to make sure you knew that you don't need a

prescription for Iodoral or Lugals? But maybe you were saying you

wanted your doctor to tell you what/how much to take? Hopefully, you

have a great doctor since so many are iodine-phobic. I'd be curious

to hear what the doctor suggests.

Best wishes,

Sharon

> Sharon, I'm only taking approx. 278 mcg via some supplements that

> have it in the formula. I have an appt. with my doc later this

month

> and will present these #'s and hopefully get a prescpt for Iodoral

or

> lugols to get started with a higher dose. Thank you

>

>

>

> >

> > Are you supplementing iodine, Kathleen? My temp has gone up with

> > iodine. Also, I wouldn't take thyroid meds without supplementing

> with

> > iodine. I did that and I think it totally messed up my hormones.

> > Sharon

> >

> >

> > > I've started again taking my am temp via arm pit. After being

on

> > > thyroid meds for over a year my temp is still avg. 96.6..mmm

> What's

> > > been your experience while taking Iodoral? Temps raising? My

> > cortisol

> > > blood test came back with high out of range am, and in mid

range

> > pm.

> > > I'm slowly raising my Armour but am I missing something to get

> that

> > am

> > > body temp up higher? Any thoughts?

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > > Kathleen

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Skipper, I'm on 45mg armour, 10-15 mcg cytomel, one therm. with

silver, cortisol test showed above hi am, mid range pm, ferritin is

118, diet...well, sometimes good/bad, I still drink diet soda's(I

know..;-))Thank you for the webpage. I do have a doc appt. later

this month and plan to talk with him about Iodoral.

Thank you

Kathleen

>

> >From: " kathleen_nick42 " <hanlonk@...>

>

> >I've started again taking my am temp via arm pit. After being on

> >thyroid meds for over a year my temp is still avg. 96.6..mmm What's

> >been your experience while taking Iodoral? Temps raising? My

cortisol

> >blood test came back with high out of range am, and in mid range

pm.

> >I'm slowly raising my Armour but am I missing something to get

that am

> >body temp up higher? Any thoughts?

>

> The average starting dose used to be 3 grains of Armour as this

much was

> necessary to affect basal metabolism. (That's a comment that Dr.

> Derry made, and is confirmed by my 1940 Merck Manual from a time

when the

> goal of thyroid therapy was to alleviate symptoms and not make labs

look

> pretty.)

>

> How much are you on?

>

> How many thermometers do you use? I'm not real confident of their

accuracy.

>

> Low adrenals also cause low body temp.

>

> Anemia can cause low body temp.

>

> Other causes -

>

> low calorie diets

> Inadequate protein

> chemicals

> artificial sweeteners

> Beta blockers and many other drugs

> lack of sleep

> Yeast infection

> Parasites.

>

> Interesting page -

>

> http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/coldbody.html

> The Cold Body Page

>

>

> Skipper

>

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[Guest guest]

Sharon, I am lucky in that the doc actually had me take the 24hr

urine test with spot test and started me on Iodoral due it being

low. BUT, that was back in 2003 and I was still adjusting my thyroid

meds and experienced pulses over 100 for days, emotions took a major

rollercoster ride, and so he took me off the iodoral and we went from

there on with iodine swabbing (caused major leg cramps) and adjusting

the thyroid meds. NOW, since I've done more reading and joining this

group I have more awareness of the need for iodine, just hesitant

since my experience of way back then. So in my next doc appt. I will

be going with more amo..;-) based on your kind inputs from this group.

Thank you

Kathleen

> > >

> > > Are you supplementing iodine, Kathleen? My temp has gone up

with

> > > iodine. Also, I wouldn't take thyroid meds without

supplementing

> > with

> > > iodine. I did that and I think it totally messed up my

hormones.

> > > Sharon

> > >

> > >

> > > > I've started again taking my am temp via arm pit. After

being

> on

> > > > thyroid meds for over a year my temp is still avg. 96.6..mmm

> > What's

> > > > been your experience while taking Iodoral? Temps raising? My

> > > cortisol

> > > > blood test came back with high out of range am, and in mid

> range

> > > pm.

> > > > I'm slowly raising my Armour but am I missing something to

get

> > that

> > > am

> > > > body temp up higher? Any thoughts?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you

> > > > Kathleen

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Skipper, thanks for this information on factors that can result in low body

temperature. I have often wondered what caused it besides thyroid/adrenal

issues. I've added the link you gave to the Cold Body Page to our links under

Tests (Thyroid/Adrenal, Temperature).

Zoe

===============================

Low adrenals also cause low body temp.

Anemia can cause low body temp.

Other causes -

low calorie diets

Inadequate protein

chemicals

artificial sweeteners

Beta blockers and many other drugs

lack of sleep

Yeast infection

Parasites.

Interesting page -

http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/coldbody.html

The Cold Body Page

Skipper

[Guest guest]

>From: " kathleen_nick42 " <hanlonk@...>

>Skipper, I'm on 45mg armour, 10-15 mcg cytomel, one therm. with

>silver, cortisol test showed above hi am, mid range pm, ferritin is

>118, diet...well, sometimes good/bad, I still drink diet soda's(I

>know..;-))Thank you for the webpage. I do have a doc appt. later

>this month and plan to talk with him about Iodoral.

I don't know what " one therm. with silver " means.

Also, body temperature can go up and down during the day, so some recommend

taking it 3 or 4 times and averaging. ('s approach is 4 times a day

and average, Dr. Rind's approach is to take it several times a day,

hypothyroid means temp almost always low, low adrenals temp goes up and

down. Just because the test for adrenals came out normal doesn't mean

there's no possibility you have a problem, just means it's less likely.)

I can only drink diet soda for a few days before something starts to feel

wrong. I believe it's as bad as Mercola says.

When I said " anemia " , I didn't mean low iron. That's a mistake doctors make

too. The important measure is the hemoglobin. If that's low, then you are

anemic and the reason why should be pursued. If it's not iron-deficiency

anemia, then taking iron is bad. For example if one has an inherited anemia

called thalassemia, it causes anemia shouldn't be given iron. My family has

it, in spite of their being no obvious Mediterranean or Asian roots.

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Skipper, I use one thermometer that has the silver coloring solution

in it that moves. As for my hemoglobin I think, with out having the

numbers directly in front of me, was 38 or 40.

thank you

Kathleen

>

> >From: " kathleen_nick42 " <hanlonk@...>

>

> >Skipper, I'm on 45mg armour, 10-15 mcg cytomel, one therm. with

> >silver, cortisol test showed above hi am, mid range pm, ferritin is

> >118, diet...well, sometimes good/bad, I still drink diet soda's(I

> >know..;-))Thank you for the webpage. I do have a doc appt. later

> >this month and plan to talk with him about Iodoral.

>

> I don't know what " one therm. with silver " means.

>

> Also, body temperature can go up and down during the day, so some

recommend

> taking it 3 or 4 times and averaging. ('s approach is 4

times a day

> and average, Dr. Rind's approach is to take it several times a day,

> hypothyroid means temp almost always low, low adrenals temp goes up

and

> down. Just because the test for adrenals came out normal doesn't

mean

> there's no possibility you have a problem, just means it's less

likely.)

>

> I can only drink diet soda for a few days before something starts

to feel

> wrong. I believe it's as bad as Mercola says.

>

> When I said " anemia " , I didn't mean low iron. That's a mistake

doctors make

> too. The important measure is the hemoglobin. If that's low, then

you are

> anemic and the reason why should be pursued. If it's not iron-

deficiency

> anemia, then taking iron is bad. For example if one has an

inherited anemia

> called thalassemia, it causes anemia shouldn't be given iron. My

family has

> it, in spite of their being no obvious Mediterranean or Asian roots.

>

> Skipper

>

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Hi Kathleen,

Oh, you are one of the lucky ones - he/she sounds like a good

doctor. I didn't have the same pulse problems as you but I did

struggle starting out on iodine. When I tried Iodoral I had terrible

digestive problems and a cough that made me think it had caused lung

damage. I ended up working up extremely slowly, in the beginning

using only kelp capsules. Only after several months of kelp, was I

able to add Iosol drops (lower dose than Iodoral) and it took a long

time before I build up to my current 40mg. Other people seem to have

no problem at all starting out at high doses. I just mention that

because sometimes adjusting your pace can help. On the other hand, I

know some people with Hashimoto's or thyroid nodules may have a much

different problem - not sure what one would do in that case. I also

wonder how different people are in the tolerance of different

forms/brands of iodine. When I work up the courage to try Iodoral

again I will let everyone know, as that seems like an interesting

experiment, albeit N=1...

It would be great if you could add your doctor to our database of

iodine-friendly doctors - everyone is always looking a good one.

Anyway, Good Luck!

Sharon

> Sharon, I am lucky in that the doc actually had me take the 24hr

> urine test with spot test and started me on Iodoral due it being

> low. BUT, that was back in 2003 and I was still adjusting my

thyroid

> meds and experienced pulses over 100 for days, emotions took a

major

> rollercoster ride, and so he took me off the iodoral and we went

from

> there on with iodine swabbing (caused major leg cramps) and

adjusting

> the thyroid meds. NOW, since I've done more reading and joining

this

> group I have more awareness of the need for iodine, just hesitant

> since my experience of way back then. So in my next doc appt. I

will

> be going with more amo..;-) based on your kind inputs from this

group.

> Thank you

> Kathleen

[Guest guest]

>From: " kathleen_nick42 " <hanlonk@...>

>Skipper, I use one thermometer that has the silver coloring solution

>in it that moves. As for my hemoglobin I think, with out having the

>numbers directly in front of me, was 38 or 40.

>thank you

>Kathleen

I've found that thermometers can be different, so it doesn't hurt to see if

it comes out the same with another.

38 or 40 for hemoglobin doesn't make sense. If that was actually for

hemocrit, then you're probably borderline anemic. (Again, it's only good to

take iron if you're diagnosed as iron deficient, which based on your

hemocrit, you are not.)

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Thanks Skipper, I'll keep this in mind.

Kathleen

>

> >From: " kathleen_nick42 " <hanlonk@...>

>

> >Skipper, I use one thermometer that has the silver coloring

solution

> >in it that moves. As for my hemoglobin I think, with out having

the

> >numbers directly in front of me, was 38 or 40.

> >thank you

> >Kathleen

>

> I've found that thermometers can be different, so it doesn't hurt

to see if

> it comes out the same with another.

>

> 38 or 40 for hemoglobin doesn't make sense. If that was actually

for

> hemocrit, then you're probably borderline anemic. (Again, it's

only good to

> take iron if you're diagnosed as iron deficient, which based on

your

> hemocrit, you are not.)

>

> Skipper

>

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Thanks Sharon, my doc is in the the data base, Dr. . I'll

keep you posted as to what happens in the appt. Thanks for all your

help.

Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen,

>

> Oh, you are one of the lucky ones - he/she sounds like a good

> doctor. I didn't have the same pulse problems as you but I did

> struggle starting out on iodine. When I tried Iodoral I had

terrible

> digestive problems and a cough that made me think it had caused

lung

> damage. I ended up working up extremely slowly, in the beginning

> using only kelp capsules. Only after several months of kelp, was I

> able to add Iosol drops (lower dose than Iodoral) and it took a

long

> time before I build up to my current 40mg. Other people seem to

have

> no problem at all starting out at high doses. I just mention that

> because sometimes adjusting your pace can help. On the other hand,

I

> know some people with Hashimoto's or thyroid nodules may have a

much

> different problem - not sure what one would do in that case. I also

> wonder how different people are in the tolerance of different

> forms/brands of iodine. When I work up the courage to try Iodoral

> again I will let everyone know, as that seems like an interesting

> experiment, albeit N=1...

>

> It would be great if you could add your doctor to our database of

> iodine-friendly doctors - everyone is always looking a good one.

>

> Anyway, Good Luck!

> Sharon

>

>

> > Sharon, I am lucky in that the doc actually had me take the 24hr

> > urine test with spot test and started me on Iodoral due it being

> > low. BUT, that was back in 2003 and I was still adjusting my

> thyroid

> > meds and experienced pulses over 100 for days, emotions took a

> major

> > rollercoster ride, and so he took me off the iodoral and we went

> from

> > there on with iodine swabbing (caused major leg cramps) and

> adjusting

> > the thyroid meds. NOW, since I've done more reading and joining

> this

> > group I have more awareness of the need for iodine, just hesitant

> > since my experience of way back then. So in my next doc appt. I

> will

> > be going with more amo..;-) based on your kind inputs from this

> group.

> > Thank you

> > Kathleen

>

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Kathleen, I couldn't find him in our database.

You can add him here:

iodine/database?method=reportRows & tbl=10

If he has a website, send me the link and I'll add it to our links, too.

Zoe

PS. Sounds like your thermometer is a mercury thermometer.

=========================

Thanks Sharon, my doc is in the the data base, Dr. . I'll

keep you posted as to what happens in the appt. Thanks for all your

help.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Zoe, sorry for the confusion, he's one of the doctors at Great

Smokies Medical Center in Asheville, NC. That's how I listed it in

the links.

Thank you

Kathleen

>

> Kathleen, I couldn't find him in our database.

>

> You can add him here:

> iodine/database?

method=reportRows & tbl=10

>

> If he has a website, send me the link and I'll add it to our links,

too.

>

> Zoe

>

> PS. Sounds like your thermometer is a mercury thermometer.

>

>

> =========================

>

>

>

> Thanks Sharon, my doc is in the the data base, Dr. .

I'll

> keep you posted as to what happens in the appt. Thanks for all

your

> help.

>

> Kathleen

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: " kathleen_nick42 " <hanlonk@...>

>

> >Skipper, I use one thermometer that has the silver

> coloring solution

> >in it that moves. As for my hemoglobin I think,

> with out having the

> >numbers directly in front of me, was 38 or 40.

> >thank you

> >Kathleen

>

> I've found that thermometers can be different, so it

> doesn't hurt to see if

> it comes out the same with another.

When accuracy of thermometers is discussed I think (1)

the accuracy may not be off so much as to be

significant, and (2) using the same instrument would

reveal a pattern, if not the exact temperature.

Abbe

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>From: Abbe <abbe_online@...>

>When accuracy of thermometers is discussed I think (1)

>the accuracy may not be off so much as to be

>significant, and (2) using the same instrument would

>reveal a pattern, if not the exact temperature.

True. On the other hand, people have different opinions of temperatures.

Some think it's perfectly fine and normal to be 97 degrees, and others

cringe at that.

Also, some think even a tenth of a degree can be detrimental to your well

being, and if you have two thermometers that vary by half a degree you may

not really know what your temperature is.

The pattern is more significant to adrenal insufficiency as that allegedly

causes a lot more fluctuations in temperature wheareas low thyroid usually

simply stays low.

Skipper

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Your AM body tempature is usually the lowest of the

day. Mine is always around 96.6 in the mornings and closer to

98 at around 11pm. It's part of the Circadiam rhythem of

life. Some people do have a normal lower body tempature than

others due to their physiological makeup, body chemistry and

hormonal balance. We are not automobiles off of an assembly

line and there are wide differences between individuals.

If it's any solace to you. I have seen studies where

it has been shown that individuals with natural lower average

body tempatures not due to any form of illness live a lot

longer than those with high body tempatures. A silver lining

to every dark cloud. Just because you are not in the majority

does not mean that there is something wrong with you. That is

some pretty simplistic thinking by those who are in the

majority. It was not too long ago that left handedness was

for some crazy reason viewed as some sort of physical

handicap. The majority always gets to write the rule book and

that is something to remember. Many such things are

arbitraryly designed to make the majority feel good about

themselves. Your lower body tempature if not connected to a

physical infirmity may actually be an asset in disguise.

BOB

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>From: robert <wiech89@...>

> Your AM body tempature is usually the lowest of the

>day. Mine is always around 96.6 in the mornings and closer to

>98 at around 11pm.

Broda claimed that the temperature before one gets out of bed in the

morning should be between 97.8 and 98.2. If the temp is lower than that he

considered it a strong sign of hypothyroidism. Of course, he admitted it

wasn't 100%, but felt it to be better than any other test. Those of us who

have been diagnosed based on low body temp when doctors who didn't prescribe

to that theory said " it couldn't possibly be your thyroid " tend to believe

that theory.

> If it's any solace to you. I have seen studies where

>it has been shown that individuals with natural lower average

>body tempatures not due to any form of illness live a lot

>longer than those with high body tempatures.

So, they studied a control group along with a large group of people who had

lower body temp in their 30s and 40 until they died when they were in their

80s or 90s? That sounds like a rather hard and enduring study to

accomplish.

Your lower body tempature if not connected to a

>physical infirmity may actually be an asset in disguise.

That may be true, as long as it's not connected to hypothyroidism,

hypoadrenia, anemia, or some other negative reason.

Skipper

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Bob, I started taking my am temp out of curiosity to see what it is

while on thyroid meds for hypothyroid. Also, because my feet ache

when they are cold and I found myself putting on socks in the summer

recently. I'm curious as to where you found that information to base

your response. Is there a book or website? Please share.

Thank you

Kathleen

>

> Your AM body tempature is usually the lowest of the

> day. Mine is always around 96.6 in the mornings and closer to

> 98 at around 11pm. It's part of the Circadiam rhythem of

> life. Some people do have a normal lower body tempature than

> others due to their physiological makeup, body chemistry and

> hormonal balance. We are not automobiles off of an assembly

> line and there are wide differences between individuals.

>

> If it's any solace to you. I have seen studies where

> it has been shown that individuals with natural lower average

> body tempatures not due to any form of illness live a lot

> longer than those with high body tempatures. A silver lining

> to every dark cloud. Just because you are not in the majority

> does not mean that there is something wrong with you. That is

> some pretty simplistic thinking by those who are in the

> majority. It was not too long ago that left handedness was

> for some crazy reason viewed as some sort of physical

> handicap. The majority always gets to write the rule book and

> that is something to remember. Many such things are

> arbitraryly designed to make the majority feel good about

> themselves. Your lower body tempature if not connected to a

> physical infirmity may actually be an asset in disguise.

>

> BOB

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Bob, 2nd attempt at replying to your message. Don't know where the

first one ended up. I started taking my am temp out of curiosity

since being on thyroid meds for hypothyroid. Also, my feet ache when

cold and have been putting socks on this summer.

Thank you

Kathleen

>

> Your AM body tempature is usually the lowest of the

> day. Mine is always around 96.6 in the mornings and closer to

> 98 at around 11pm. It's part of the Circadiam rhythem of

> life. Some people do have a normal lower body tempature than

> others due to their physiological makeup, body chemistry and

> hormonal balance. We are not automobiles off of an assembly

> line and there are wide differences between individuals.

>

> If it's any solace to you. I have seen studies where

> it has been shown that individuals with natural lower average

> body tempatures not due to any form of illness live a lot

> longer than those with high body tempatures. A silver lining

> to every dark cloud. Just because you are not in the majority

> does not mean that there is something wrong with you. That is

> some pretty simplistic thinking by those who are in the

> majority. It was not too long ago that left handedness was

> for some crazy reason viewed as some sort of physical

> handicap. The majority always gets to write the rule book and

> that is something to remember. Many such things are

> arbitraryly designed to make the majority feel good about

> themselves. Your lower body tempature if not connected to a

> physical infirmity may actually be an asset in disguise.

>

> BOB

>

> __________________________________________________

>