Re: Re: Magnesium and cortisol

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I've been taking 400 mg of mag. and have had no side effects. I also use mag.

oil (which tends to be kinda itchy for a while after applying it) as per the

recommendation of this article

http://drhotzeblog.netymology.com/2006/06/20/the-miracle-of-magnesium/

My morning cortisol is depressed and my midnight way elevated. Maybe the mag

will help with that.

On Friday, December 15, 2006, at 06:00AM, " Sally " <sally.hoffman@...>

wrote:

>

>>I have been reading some of the posts on magnesium and low cortisol.

>That you don't need it if your cortisol is low.

>I'm in the process of having a 4 point adrenal test done but suspect

>low cortisol, adrenal insufficiency.

>

>I have just started taking extra magnesium(only 200mg) and some in

>multi which i always take and vit d because i was getting cramps and

>palpitations sometimes.

>

>This morning i feel breathless like i'm going to have a panic

>attack. Do you think this could be the extra magnesium i'm taking.

>Would it be wise to not take anymore until i get results back. I'm

>surprised this amount would have any impact. My last mineral test

>showed i had high tissue calcium, that was back in january. I was

>taking extra then for awhile, supplements i got and was recommended

>to take from lab with no problem

>

>I had orginally suspected wilsons for my low temperatures, which

>have improved alot with other measures i've implemented. I have

>been ill with a cold recently and have not exercised much and

>funnily enough that coincides with much improved temperature, i've

>heard you should not exercise if you have low cortisol so i'm now

>suspecting adrenal function to be more the problem. I take iodine

>in a thyroid support but not lugol's.

>

>I know this is iodine site but you were talking about cortisol and

>magnesium a few days ago i think. Get digest so don't follow all

>threads.

>Sally

>

>

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>From: " Sally " <sally.hoffman@...>

>

> >I have been reading some of the posts on magnesium and low cortisol.

>That you don't need it if your cortisol is low.

>I'm in the process of having a 4 point adrenal test done but suspect

>low cortisol, adrenal insufficiency.

Nothing is ever simple.

I think with low cortisol, one should probably not supplement with

magnesium. But, it is an extremely important mineral.

Part of the problem is not everyone is the same. And low adrenal experts,

like Dr. Rind, Dr. think you should take magnesium. So, I can't

refer to the support of any known doctors in this opinion.

>

>I have just started taking extra magnesium(only 200mg) and some in

>multi which i always take and vit d because i was getting cramps and

>palpitations sometimes.

Magnesium is good for the heart. So, is CoQ10, and adequate thyroid

medication. Having an untreated / undertreated is one of the worst things

you can do for your heart.

>

>This morning i feel breathless like i'm going to have a panic

>attack.

Magnesium in excess does depress respiration.

Low thyroid also depressed respiration, which is why it's not unusual for

the hypothyroid to have low levels of CO2 in their blood before thyroid

treatment. Low levels of CO2 mean poor efficiency of respiration.

I know the adrenals also have some impact on respiration. I don't know if

that affects any lab tests like being hypothyroid does. It may affect the

CO2 level too.

Do you think this could be the extra magnesium i'm taking.

>Would it be wise to not take anymore until i get results back. I'm

>surprised this amount would have any impact. My last mineral test

>showed i had high tissue calcium, that was back in january. I was

>taking extra then for awhile, supplements i got and was recommended

>to take from lab with no problem

Calcium and magnesium should be in balance. What is high tissue calcium?

Is that a special test?

>

>I know this is iodine site but you were talking about cortisol and

>magnesium a few days ago i think. Get digest so don't follow all

>threads.

Yes, I think two drops of Lugol's a day really helps my adrenals.

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On the metabolic typing diet (e.g., Mercola), the Protein Types are discouraged from taking magnesium (and encouraged to get calcium from foods). Zoe

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>From: " Zoe & " <ZOEA@...>

>On the metabolic typing diet (e.g., Mercola), the Protein Types are

>discouraged from taking magnesium (and encouraged to get calcium from

>foods). Zoe

That's interesting, as I am a protein type. My wife who needs magnesium is

not.

The book did make some sense to me. It answered some questions like why

does my wife need to eat very little, and then get a lot of energy from the

food? Also, why I like the dark meat of the chicken and she likes the white

meat (which to me is always dry and disgusting because that's the nature of

white meat. How she could call it moist, I never understood.)

That probably affects our need for iodine too, because fat uses up iodine.

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Ellen,I haven't read up much on Boniva, but if it works similar to Fosamax, I don't think I'd entertain taking it:Excerpt from Dr. Tim O'Shea, www.thedoctorwithin.com from the chapter "Every Woman Needs to Read this Now"TURNING BONE TO MARBLEOther non-estrogen drugs which are prescribed to supposedly reduce the chance of osteoporosis, have serious side effects. In his video, Dr. Lee outlines the dangers of a very popular drug named Fosamax. It's actually quite simple. Again, living healthy bone must go through a constant process of old cells being replaced by new cells, so that every few years we have an entire new skeleton. Osteoclasts are cells that tear down bone; osteoblasts build new cells in those spaces. Got that? OK. The intellects behind Fosamax have decided that if they can stop the osteoclasts from doing their normal job of tearing down bone, this will prevent osteoporosis. How? By the buildup of Fosamax crystals in the bone, which just stay there long after a normal lifespan, which artificially stops the removal system - the osteoclasts. Now there are no spaces in which new bone cells can form. The Fosamax crystals cannot be broken down by the body, and remain in the bone for 15 or 20 years, taking up space, and offering an artificial, plastic-like composition in what should be normal healthy bone. Dr. Lee tells us that modern Fosamax is 1000 times more potent than the original drug.Even the manufacturers caution against indiscriminate long term use of this drug: on p 1657-8 of the 1998 Physicians Desk Reference we find that:      "bone formation is ultimately reduced Fosamax decreases the rate of bone resorption [tearing down] directly, which leads to an indirect decrease in bone formation." Decreased bone formation? Does that sound like something that's going to maintain normal bone and prevent osteoporosis in your golden years? Dr. Lee and many others don't think so.The PDR also tells us that they have no idea what effects Fosamax may have after four years! (p1661)Here we have a prime example of the philosophical difference between allopathic and holistic medicine: they forgot that Mother Nature Always Bats Last. You can't arbitrarily interfere with one half of a complete life process like bone synthesis and expect no adverse consequences. With Fosamax, we have arrogantly overpowered the body's normal system of bone building which has developed and maintained the skeleton just fine for the person's whole life, by pretending that one phase of that system exists in isolation from the whole rest of the endocrine Internet, and can be omitted with no consequences.Doctors trick women by telling them that Fosamax will increase "bone mineral density" but what they don't tell them is that the new mineral is not calcium and is no longer part of the living dynamic process which has maintained their bones their entire lives.This is not yet even mentioning the side effects of Fosamax:      - kidney disease      - ulcers      - heartburn      - joint pain      - headache      - rashFosamax is a risky, artificial approach to osteoporosis which pretends like the problem can be divided up into separate, distinct unrelated phases, like with a car. Same old idea, over and over: another drug in search of a market.Same old story. Osteoporosis is big business. Big business to keep it happening, and big business to treat it. The dairy industry, the meat industry, the soft drink industry all keep it happening. The HRT industry, the nursing home industry, and the hospitals gain from the treatment of osteoporosis. McDougall explains:      "The diagnosis and treatment of osteoporosis is so profitable because millions of people unwittingly weaken their bones, making them dependent for the rest of their life on diagnostic tests and drug therapy that slows the disorder but never cures it."- The McDougall Plan - p172LinnOn Dec 15, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Ellen wrote:Yes, the Calcium test is specific for calcium levels. It can indicatethe need for additional testing for a number of reasons. You could betaking too much calcium. You may not have enough mag to balance itout, meaning that it is not being used and ends up in your urine or askidney stones. You may be hypER thyroid and your body is pulling thecalcium out of your bones to use and you may then also be in danger ofosteoporosis. . 

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>From: Linn <linnmiller@...>

>

>I haven't read up much on Boniva, but if it works similar to Fosamax, I

>don't think I'd entertain taking it:

Looks to be the same principal -

http://rxlist.com/cgi/generic/alendron.htm

FOSAMAX* (alendronate sodium) is a bisphosphonate that acts as a specific

inhibitor of osteoclast-mediated bone resorption.

http://rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/boniva.htm

BONIVA (ibandronate sodium) is a nitrogen-containing bisphosphonate that

inhibits osteoclast-mediated bone resorption.

Skipper

>Even the manufacturers caution against indiscriminate long term use of

>this drug: on p 1657-8 of the 1998 Physicians Desk Reference we find that:

>

> " bone formation is ultimately reduced Fosamax decreases the rate of

>bone resorption [tearing down] directly, which leads to an indirect

>decrease in bone formation. "

>

>Decreased bone formation? Does that sound like something that's going to

>maintain normal bone and prevent osteoporosis in your golden years? Dr.

>Lee and many others don't think so.

>

>The PDR also tells us that they have no idea what effects Fosamax may have

>after four years! (p1661)

>

>Here we have a prime example of the philosophical difference between

>allopathic and holistic medicine: they forgot that Mother Nature Always

>Bats Last. You can't arbitrarily interfere with one half of a complete

>life process like bone synthesis and expect no adverse consequences. With

>Fosamax, we have arrogantly overpowered the body's normal system of bone

>building which has developed and maintained the skeleton just fine for the

>person's whole life, by pretending that one phase of that system exists in

>isolation from the whole rest of the endocrine Internet, and can be

>omitted with no consequences.

>

>Doctors trick women by telling them that Fosamax will increase " bone

>mineral density " but what they don't tell them is that the new mineral is

>not calcium and is no longer part of the living dynamic process which has

>maintained their bones their entire lives.

>

>This is not yet even mentioning the side effects of Fosamax:

>

> - kidney disease

> - ulcers

> - heartburn

> - joint pain

> - headache

> - rash

>

>Fosamax is a risky, artificial approach to osteoporosis which pretends

>like the problem can be divided up into separate, distinct unrelated

>phases, like with a car. Same old idea, over and over: another drug in

>search of a market.

>

>Same old story. Osteoporosis is big business. Big business to keep it

>happening, and big business to treat it. The dairy industry, the meat

>industry, the soft drink industry all keep it happening. The HRT industry,

>the nursing home industry, and the hospitals gain from the treatment of

>osteoporosis. McDougall explains:

>

> " The diagnosis and treatment of osteoporosis is so profitable

>because millions of people unwittingly weaken their bones, making them

>dependent for the rest of their life on diagnostic tests and drug therapy

>that slows the disorder but never cures it. "

>

>- The McDougall Plan - p172

>

>Linn

>

>

>

>

>On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Ellen wrote:

>

>>Yes, the Calcium test is specific for calcium levels. It can indicate

>>the need for additional testing for a number of reasons. You could be

>>taking too much calcium. You may not have enough mag to balance it

>>out, meaning that it is not being used and ends up in your urine or as

>>kidney stones. You may be hypER thyroid and your body is pulling the

>>calcium out of your bones to use and you may then also be in danger of

>>osteoporosis.

>>

>>.

>>

>>

>

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Ellen,With my memory, there's no telling if we've discussed it before.  :-)  I'm assuming that you know to stay away from sugar and any type of soda.  Do you use progesterone?LinnOn Dec 15, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Ellen wrote:I think we've had this discussion before, but that's ok. I had no choice. At 39 I was so severely affected by osteoporosisthat I barely registered on the scale. Several breaks later I amdoing better. "natural" methods didn't work for me because the"problem" has not been fixed. Only the "symptom" of osteoporosisremains, but needed to be dealt with asap. I am trying to fix theproblem in the meantime, and took the drug for 2 years before goingoff. I just had another scan done. I have not broken a bone in ayear. I am doing the best that I can for my particular situation. Others would not choose to do so- that is their choice. I didn'treally have a choice as I was already made of glass. Even marble isstronger than glass.E. 

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Ellen,Do you take Synthroid?LinnOn Dec 15, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Ellen wrote:At age 42, 20 yrs just puts me into my "golden years". Really,reaching my "golden years" is my only goal.E. 

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Why do you suppose you no longer crave sugary things? I experienced some

of this too. Just wondering about your perspective. Thanks.

Amy

Ellen wrote:

I used to crave sugary things, but now I don't. I don't even do soda

but once in a very great while.

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Was just curious if you had read Lee's references to progesterone and osteoporosis.  LinnOn Dec 15, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Ellen wrote:Nope, no progesterone, and barely any estrogen as I had endometriosisthat required ablation and getting everything jerked. I used to crave sugary things, but now I don't. I don't even do sodabut once in a very great while. I stick to my fresh fruits andveggies and feel the best that way. I do drink juices as well, buttry to stick with those that are 100% juice and no sugary garbage. Ican't even say I'm a tea totaller because I don't do tea or coffee- nocaffeine of any kind, no booze, no cigarettes, no nothing. I don'teven do dessert unless we're out at a friend's or a restaurant. Boy, it's a boring life! :)E . 

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I'm more familiar with Synthroid.  Synthroid stimulates osteoclasts to resorb bone. (Physicians Desk Reference).  If Levoxyl does the same thing how does this pan out with the osteoporosis med and how it works?  LinnOn Dec 15, 2006, at 8:01 PM, Ellen wrote:I am on Levoxyl and Cytomel. Keeping Armour in our back pocketsbecause of allergy worries (I am slightly allergic to pork and don'twant to get antibodies started, but realize that someday that may bemy only option. I can't survive on T4 alone- probably needingselenium and Mag to balance things out as well, but still looking forthose magic numbers)E. 

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Lee did decades worth of work with women using low doses of bio-id progesterone with very good results at reversing osteoporosis.  Definitely would check into it.  What you may be referring to are studies of synthetic progestins, not progesterone.LinnOn Dec 16, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Ellen wrote:No, not him specifically that I know of. I know that high levels ofprogesterone, or progesterone only treatments scan cause osteoporosis.Is there more?E (Ellen in Missouri)

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Ellen,The kidney stones would be the interesting factor there to me though, that's a signal that your body is trying to correct an acidic condition by calcifying and you end up with kidney stones or problems in other areas of the body with calcium deposits.  First place to start would be diet, cut out anything that causes an acid effect, sugar, sodas (extremely bad for osteoporosis), processed food, add in good sources of water, no fluoride, whole foods, cut out pasteurized dairy.     Check out which foods are acidic versus alkaline.  LinnOn Dec 16, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Ellen wrote:Thyroid replacement of any kind is considered a red flag forosteoporosis, as is unregulated thyroid levels in either direction. So far the Boniva has worked great for me in helping regulate things alittle. I had high calcium blood levels without it, not sure what'spulling it from my bones, but that's what was happening. Nobody hasfigured it out yet. My other minerals tested out fine (didn't doselenium, which I am currently interested in pursuing, but I don'tthink that would necessarily influence bone resorption directlyanyway. I would prefer to get the problem fixed, not simply deal withthe symptom of Osteoporosis, so I just keep searching for answers thatso far no on else has been able to give me.E (Ellen in Missouri). 

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Yes, read up on Lee's books to start.  The things you're describing , endo and migraines are symptoms of low progesterone as can be osteoporosis.   Check out Dr. Tim O'Shea, www.thedoctorwithin.com, read the chapters on "Every Woman Needs to Read this Now" , "Journey to the Center of Your Colon" , "Water", and "Minerals", it'll give you a good start and some excellent references for further reading.  Mainstream doctors know the dangers of progestins and it's very common for them to prescribe estrogen only after a hyst.  The thinking is the risk of using estrogen only replacement is that it causes uterine cancer, hence no uterus, they feel they don't have to worry about it.  Read the above, you'll find lots of information that might provide some different aspects to what you can do.  Linn  On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Ellen wrote:I have had a total spay job (LOL!)- complete hysterectomy due toendometriosis that was quite severe with adhesions, etc. Have to keepthe hormones to a bare minimum. Also have migraine trouble withhormones. Was told with the hyster that progesterone (of eithertype) was contraindicated and could cause me trouble. Do you know ofresearch to the opposite train of thought? Thanks!E.