Re: Re: Bromide symptoms compiled from patients and/or Dept of Defense

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It is only the citrus. It is used to " suspend " the flavor in the liquid.

It is in the form of brominated vegetable oil (BVO). I don't know why

citrus is the only one but it is. I have found it in fruit drinks, Mt Dew,

Gatorade, Mellow Yellow, Mt Mist (faygo) and more. It is also in bread

used as a dough conditioner instead of iodine. The moral of the story

......... read your labels!

Re: Bromide symptoms compiled from patients and/or Dept of

Defense

> From information that I have read in multiple places there are lots

> of drinks with bromine and Gatorade is one of them. It may just be

> the citrus flavors, I don't know.

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> there is no bromine in that, either. Yay! Go Gators!

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[Guest guest]

Not everything has to be reported on the label. I think the rule is if it

is less than 2% then it can be omitted.

Irene

At 06:59 AM 9/16/2007, you wrote:

From information that I have

read in multiple places there are lots

of drinks with bromine and Gatorade is one of them. It may just be

the citrus flavors, I don't know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brominated_vegetable_oil

Dianne

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> > Also, I drank some Gatoraid at the Gator game on Saturday and

there is no bromine in that, either. Yay! Go Gators!

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[Guest guest]

On 9/16/07, DeCubellis Ranch <decubellisranch@...> wrote:

This is true of dairies in our area, too. My husband is an extension agent in a dairy area. He reports that the bags are washed before milking with a water solution that sometimes includes very diluted bleach solution. Then the cows are milked. Then the teat dip is either a diluted iodine solution or a diluted bleach solution.

The teat dip is done to disinfect the teat after milking because it remains open and the farmer doesn't want bacteria to get into the teat.Well, I'm willing to stand corrected on that one. It's something I'd heard but not researched. Seems milk can have high bromine levels, but from fumigated cereals or pesticide residues. Human milk seems to be high in it from fire retardants.

The biggest sources of bromide seem to be in grains (because of the fumigants? and for bread because of bromated flour and dough enhancer?). But commercial cows get a lot of grain. Are fumigants prohibited for grain for " organic " cows? I think the import laws require some foods to be fumigated, but I'm not sure what fumigant they use.

http://www.inchem.org/documents/jmpr/jmpmono/v66apr09.htmBär (1964) found that whilst cereals, fruit and vegetables retained

only small residues after treatment, flour and oily goods retained much higher levels even after 48 hours aeration. Maximum levels (for inorganic bromide) cited by the German Federal Office of Health from

rat feeding studies reported by Bär are: cereals and citrus fruit skin 50 ppm; almonds and other nuts (kernels) 40 ppm; citrus pulp 25 ppm; cocoa beans, dried fruit 10 ppm. The feeding of fumigated cereals to cattle may result in bromide

residues in milk. Lynn (1963) found 10-20 ppm in milk from cows fed a diet containing 43 ppm bromide.Foods Bromide range ppm No. of samples (out of 18)

Dairy produce 1.1 to 31.7 17 Meat, fish 2.3 to 35.5 16 Grain

4.4 to 111.0 17 Potatoes 1.5 to 38.0 15 Leafy vegetables 1.1 to 16.3 16 Legumes 0.9 to 17.9 14

Root vegetables 2.6 to 22.1 14 Salad fruit 1.7 to 18.9 15 Fruit 0.7 to 31.4 12 Oils, fats

1.1 to 261.0 16 Sugar, etc. 0.7 to 55.1 18 Beverages 0.9 to 17.0 10

http://www.inchem.org/documents/jmpr/jmpmono/v81pr04.htmTABLE 1. Bromide ion residues in total diet food composite groups, 1970, USA

Food group Residues found (mg/kg) Average (mg/kg)

Dairy products 1.5, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, 5.0, 5.5 3.7 Meat, fish and poultry 2.0, 3.5, 4.5, 5.5, 6.5, 7.5, 8.0 5.4 Grain and cereal 7.0, 9.0, 14, 14, 14, 22, 25, 30 17

Potatoes 1.0, 1.0, 2.0, 4.0, 13, 16 6.2 Leafy vegetables 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 2.5, 2.5, 3.0, 4.0, 4.0, 5.1 7.8 Legume vegetables

1.5, 1.5, 2.0, 2.0, 4.0, 5.5 2.8 Root vegetables 0.5, 1.5, 3.5, 4.0, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0 3.5 Garden fruits 0.5, 3.0, 3.5, 3.5, 4.5, 5.0, 6.0 3.7 Fruits 0.5

, 1.5, 1.5, 5.5, 6.0, 6.5 3.6 Oils and fats 2.5, 5.5, 12, 12, 12 8.8 Sugars, etc. 0.5, 3.5, 5.5, 6.0, 7.5, 9.5, 12, 23 8.4 Beverages 1.5,

2.0, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 2.2 --

[Guest guest]

Anyone know of a simple chemical test for bromide content or perhaps level of

bromide present in a given substance.

carl

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[Guest guest]

I am not aware of any tests other than the ones Dr. Abraham does in his lab.

Re: Re: Bromide symptoms compiled from patients and/or

Dept of Defense

> Anyone know of a simple chemical test for bromide content or perhaps level

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> bromide present in a given substance.

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[Guest guest]

http://thebreathoflife.net/newsletter/apr2006.pdf This "Breath of Life" newsletter (April 2006) states: "Toxicity of Bromine has been reported from ingestion of some carbonated drinks (e.g. Mountain Dew, AMP Energy Drinks, some Gatorade products) of which contain brominated vegetable oils. " DeCubellis Ranch <decubellisranch@...> wrote: I

believe wikipedia is wrong. Anyone can put info on wikipedia. I personally read the label. No bromine. It has 0 fat, so there is no oil in it. There is no mention of it as an ingredient on their website, either. I don't know where this info comes from, but it appears to be wrong. I only drink the lemon/lime flavor, and there is 0, zip, nada bromine in it. I don't think it is true that they can omit things from the label. There are new label requirements on food and even small amounts of a substance must be put on the label due to the food allergy lobby's work for gluten sensitive people like me. I am a big label reader, and many of us would be super sick if a company could just decide to omit an ingredient because there wasn't much in it. Since I make soap, and I'm familiar with FDA label requirements, I am very confident that there isn't bromine in the Gatoraid. >>From information that I have read in multiple places there are lots of drinks with bromine and Gatorade is one of them. It may just be the citrus flavors, I don't know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brominated_vegetable_oilDianne

[Guest guest]

I am curious, what is the FDA requirement for labelling.

Thanks,

Irene

At 05:47 AM 9/17/2007, you wrote:

I believe wikipedia is

wrong. Anyone can put info on wikipedia. I personally read

the label. No bromine. It has 0 fat, so there is no oil in

it. There is no mention of it as an ingredient on their website,

either. I don't know where this info comes from, but it appears to

be wrong. I only drink the lemon/lime flavor, and there is 0, zip,

nada bromine in it. I don't think it is true that they can omit

things from the label. There are new label requirements on food and

even small amounts of a substance must be put on the label due to the

food allergy lobby's work for gluten sensitive people like me. I am

a big label reader, and many of us would be super sick if a company could

just decide to omit an ingredient because there wasn't much in it.

Since I make soap, and I'm familiar with FDA label requirements, I am

very confident that there isn't bromine in the Gatoraid.

>>From information that I have read in multiple places

there are lots

of drinks with bromine and Gatorade is one of them. It may just be

the citrus flavors, I don't know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brominated_vegetable_oil

Dianne

[Guest guest]

I never got to number 12. My heart stopped at number 5. Who would give

gatorade to an infant??????

Irene

At 11:05 PM 9/19/2007, you wrote:

>This is from www.gatorade.com. It is their FAQ page. Note question

>number 12.

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>lizzie

[Guest guest]

Ummm ... pediatricians, for one. When a kid has diarrhea,

they recommend Gatorade. Or Pedialyte. Though, they also tell you

(these days) how to make a cheap version without all the junk (it was

something easy, like: 1/4 tsp. of baking soda and 1/4 tsp of sugar per

pint of H2O?).

Nowadays, I give my relatives a jar of bentonite, and tell them how

to use it. It's the only thing I know of that might kill the bad

e-coli and THAT can kill a kid's kidneys, Gatorade or otherwise.

Also: a kid that gets digestive upsets a lot is probably reacting

to something he's getting (or you are eating, if you are breast feeding).

There is a strong likelihood that " something " is (in this order) gluten,

casein, soy, corn, yeast. Sports drinks won't help that ...

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On 9/19/07, Irene.M@... <Irene.M@...> wrote:

> I never got to number 12. My heart stopped at number 5. Who would give

> gatorade to an infant??????

> Irene

[Guest guest]

Does he have a list of things he has tested? Like different brands of

breads. I wonder if some bakeries think they are not using bromide but

have it in the flour they buy?

I wonder how Dr. Abraham does the testing. Anyone have his ear to ask?

On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:16 AM, ladybugsandbees wrote:

> I am not aware of any tests other than the ones Dr. Abraham does in

> his lab.

Parashis

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Testing of what? I will see him in 2 weeks.

Re: Re: Bromide symptoms compiled from patients and/or

Dept of Defense

> Does he have a list of things he has tested? Like different brands of

> breads. I wonder if some bakeries think they are not using bromide but

> have it in the flour they buy?

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> I wonder how Dr. Abraham does the testing. Anyone have his ear to ask?

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> On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:16 AM, ladybugsandbees wrote:

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>> I am not aware of any tests other than the ones Dr. Abraham does in

>> his lab.

> Parashis

> artpages@...

> zine:

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> portfolio:

> http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

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> Iodine

[Guest guest]

Bromides in different breads and drinks. Does he do the testiing with

light spectrums or what?

Is there a test we could do at home or does it have to be a lot of

equipment that only a lab would have?

On Sep 21, 2007, at 7:09 AM, ladybugsandbees wrote:

> Testing of what? I will see him in 2 weeks.

Parashis

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Dr. Flechas is supposed to be offering a Bromide testing option soon. It

will be a urine " challenge " test. I don't think there is a way to test for

bromide at home.

I'll ask about the other testing but I don't think he does much outside of

the urine after an Iodoral " challenge " .

Steph

Re: Re: Bromide symptoms compiled from patients and/or

Dept of Defense

> Bromides in different breads and drinks. Does he do the testiing with

> light spectrums or what?

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> Is there a test we could do at home or does it have to be a lot of

> equipment that only a lab would have?

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> On Sep 21, 2007, at 7:09 AM, ladybugsandbees wrote:

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>> Testing of what? I will see him in 2 weeks.

> Parashis

> artpages@...

> zine:

> artpagesonline.com

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> portfolio:

> http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

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> Send Message: iodine

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> Iodine