Re: New PDF Book on Iodine uploaded

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I just scanned through it...some good info.

and I was glad to see that she too (on page 90) says what this

hashi's patient says...that there is no question that hashi's folks

will probably be iodine deficient (not abraham's definition though)

because of the nature of the disease...iodine metabolism is affected

in Hashimoto's. But she clearly states " iodine can intensify the

thyroid gland dysfunction. " and that " This group should be monitored

with frequent thyroid tests (a thyroid panel). "

i did find some info in the book re: hypo to be out of date, like the

mention of that " thyroid panel " instead of testing Frees. And I also

saw where she used the old TSH range which was a bit concerning. but

overall, informative for those interested in iodine.

I would have liked to contribute what I've learned about localized

myxedema and iodine " painting " ....learned it on my own by researching

and my own experience...and then was amazed the other week to find

some very old medical books who mention iodine for scleroderma

(localized myxedema becomes hardened over time like scleroderma).

But I think it's important information for Grave's patients who have

pretibial myxedema (same thing as localized myxedema) to have this

information.

cindi

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> I wanted to thank Jo Fahey for sharing her PDF book on

Iodine. You can find it in the files section

iodine/files/90%20Miscellaneous%

20Information/ called Iodine Remedies: Secrets from the Sea.

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> www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

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She is a member of this group. Maybe she will see your post or you can look

her e-mail address up in the files.

The topic of AIT is very controversial. There is info on both sides. The

long and the short of it is that you shouldn't discount the use of iodine

because some have had issues if you have an AIT. Try it and if you do then

you will have to deal with it. I think it is much to critical to make sure

that your levels are sufficient to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Again I will encourage all of you to do some research on p53 and iodine.

p53 is the guardian of the genetic code and keeps bad cells in check.

Without enough iodine or selenium it does not (cannot) do its job. That is

when things go haywire.

Steph

Re: New PDF Book on Iodine uploaded

>I just scanned through it...some good info.

>

> and I was glad to see that she too (on page 90) says what this

> hashi's patient says...that there is no question that hashi's folks

> will probably be iodine deficient (not abraham's definition though)

> because of the nature of the disease...iodine metabolism is affected

> in Hashimoto's. But she clearly states " iodine can intensify the

> thyroid gland dysfunction. " and that " This group should be monitored

> with frequent thyroid tests (a thyroid panel). "

>

> i did find some info in the book re: hypo to be out of date, like the

> mention of that " thyroid panel " instead of testing Frees. And I also

> saw where she used the old TSH range which was a bit concerning. but

> overall, informative for those interested in iodine.

>

> I would have liked to contribute what I've learned about localized

> myxedema and iodine " painting " ....learned it on my own by researching

> and my own experience...and then was amazed the other week to find

> some very old medical books who mention iodine for scleroderma

> (localized myxedema becomes hardened over time like scleroderma).

> But I think it's important information for Grave's patients who have

> pretibial myxedema (same thing as localized myxedema) to have this

> information.

> cindi

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>> I wanted to thank Jo Fahey for sharing her PDF book on

> Iodine. You can find it in the files section

> iodine/files/90%20Miscellaneous%

> 20Information/ called Iodine Remedies: Secrets from the Sea.

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>> B.

>> www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

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and i have not yet seen one AITD person discount the use of iodine

in AITD cases. have you?

it does seem so difficult to get folks to understand that treating

AITD folks differently in regards to iodine (just like the iodine

docs point out should be noted) is not discounting the use.

do you have any suggestions on how else this can be worded - or do

you as moderator just prefer that AITD folks do not discuss this

issue in regards to iodine?

cindi

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> The topic of AIT is very controversial. There is info on both

sides. The

> long and the short of it is that you shouldn't discount the use of

iodine

> because some have had issues if you have an AIT.

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" cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...> wrote:

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> iodine metabolism is affected

> in Hashimoto's. But she clearly states " iodine can intensify the

> thyroid gland dysfunction. " and that " This group should be

> monitored with frequent thyroid tests .... "

There is also a Hashi person's felt sense and experience of

being hyperT or of thyroid aggravation that should be honored,

and would show up probably long before one would get around

to arranging for testing.

Carol W.

[Guest guest]

" ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

> p53 is the guardian of the genetic code and

> keeps bad cells in check.

> Without enough iodine or selenium it does not

> (cannot) do its job. That is when things go haywire.

>

> Steph

My sense is it's Thyroid Hormone that contributes to

proper p53 function and cell differentiation.

Basic iodine and selenium nutrition contribute to

thyroid hormone levels, especially in the normal person,

and it's the resulting Thyroid Hormone that is operative.

In Hashimotos-hypothyroid, one takes thyroid med for

thyroid hormone, and antibodies do not attack that

*circulating* thyroid hormone, like they may attack a

thyroid gland that's trying to produce hormone.

If one has no thyroid, they take thyroid med, lots of it, a

full replacement dose.

I don't think we have any idea what high iodine

(say over 1000 mcg, or 50 mg specifically) or high selenium

(200 mcg) will do to p53 function longer-term. It will be

interesting though, if the research is well designed and

done with no preconceptions or biases.

Carol Willis

May 1, 2008

willis_protocols

[Guest guest]

You will need to read Dr. Orlee's information on this. He wrote Minerals

for the Genetic Code. He also did a seminar for Acres USA on this. He has

mapped out each mineral and what they do. It is specifically iodine and

selenium not thyroid hormone that deals with p53.

http://www.acresusa.com/tapes/closeup.asp?prodid=1565 & catid=76 & pcid=3

Re: New PDF Book on Iodine uploaded

> " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

>> p53 is the guardian of the genetic code and

>> keeps bad cells in check.

>> Without enough iodine or selenium it does not

>> (cannot) do its job. That is when things go haywire.

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>> Steph

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> My sense is it's Thyroid Hormone that contributes to

> proper p53 function and cell differentiation.

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> Basic iodine and selenium nutrition contribute to

> thyroid hormone levels, especially in the normal person,

> and it's the resulting Thyroid Hormone that is operative.

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> In Hashimotos-hypothyroid, one takes thyroid med for

> thyroid hormone, and antibodies do not attack that

> *circulating* thyroid hormone, like they may attack a

> thyroid gland that's trying to produce hormone.

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> If one has no thyroid, they take thyroid med, lots of it, a

> full replacement dose.

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> I don't think we have any idea what high iodine

> (say over 1000 mcg, or 50 mg specifically) or high selenium

> (200 mcg) will do to p53 function longer-term. It will be

> interesting though, if the research is well designed and

> done with no preconceptions or biases.

>

> Carol Willis

> May 1, 2008

> willis_protocols

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Cindi:

This is some information from anther chat group that might add shed some light on scleroderma. See red high light. Everybody in the parasite world doesn't die from a small dose. If there isn't enough cool aid to go around some will survive and try to hid.

Candida will actually migrate or run from where it is being> attacked - most of my exploration has been with my wife who had a very bad> case of it as the result of Extreme Antibiotics( Not a TV Show) for a long> period of time - (Vancomycin and then heavy doses of Bactrim for several> months to ward off MRSA ) - that totally ruined her microbial balance, but> when she took the Cellulase Enzymes, she would get very itchy all over as> the Candida migrated to her skin trying to escape the body - the other way> it alludes attack is to go into hiding as was related to it's hiding just> below the skin per - that's why pounding it with Cellusase is> imperative during the follow through phase when the symptoms seem to> disappear- Candida is never really gone it just reverts to a non-blooming> status as well being put into territorial balance with Pro Bacterium

Duke ---------------------------------> Hope your day goes well. 214-823-7070

iodine From: cindi22595@...Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:07:48 +0000Subject: Re: New PDF Book on Iodine uploaded

I just scanned through it...some good info. and I was glad to see that she too (on page 90) says what this hashi's patient says...that there is no question that hashi's folks will probably be iodine deficient (not abraham's definition though) because of the nature of the disease...iodine metabolism is affected in Hashimoto's. But she clearly states "iodine can intensify the thyroid gland dysfunction." and that "This group should be monitored with frequent thyroid tests (a thyroid panel)."isome very old medical books who mention iodine for scleroderma (localized myxedema becomes hardened over time like scleroderma). But I think it's important information for Grave's patients who have pretibial myxedema (same thing as localized myxedema) to have this information. cindi

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I have the book on Orlee's correlations by Walters

MINERALS AND THE GENETIC CODE for about a year and a half now.

Gene chapter, pg 31-42.

Iodine, pg 102-103, 127.

Selenium, pg. 9, 69-70, 97-98, 116-117, 178.

He speaks of iodine largely as a trace mineral, and the

dangers of fluroine displacing it. That if live by the sea,

we get enough iodine breathing the air, otherwise we may need

to take some iodine.

Here is the mention of iodine and genetics:

" Iodine does show at the top of many

genetic sequences. People with low body temperature are

commonly low in iodine. " These two sentences by themselves

are the whole paragraph, and I find that an odd juxtaposition of

ideas, an apparent non sequitur that needs explanation.

The sense that I get from his writing

on iodine is that iodine is needed for thyroid. He correlates

iodine to amino acid glutamine, an excitatory amino acid and

precursor to glutamate

[http://www.biocarta.com/pathfiles/m_argininecPathway.asp]

CAG is the gene sequence code for glutamine.

He appears to be Equating iodine and glutamine

here when he says *iodine* does show at the top of many

genetic sequences - but he means glutamine, and he equates

these. Iodine is not glutamine. They are only Correlated in

his system.

He correlates minerals, aminos, TCM info, and I Ching

hexagrams etc. This sort of thing is all to be held

very loosely as consideration, food for thought.

One system almost never maps onto another

system in a close 1-to-1 correspondence

manner, though the associations may be thought-provoking

or get the imagination going to spark new insights.

Selenium has many functions in the body, and most people

will get their daily requirement of 70 mcg from just about

any kind of diet, or diet with a small supplement. Data is

just beginning to come in within the last year

on long term use of the higher amounts of selenium supplements

200+ mcg, after the Orlee/Walters was published.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR19/nutrlist/sr19w317.pdf

[selenium content in foods. Brazil nuts are highest in selenium,

spirulina is also very high, then many kinds of fish, grains,

meats, and herbs noted by Orlee and Walters.]

Carol Willis

May 1, 2008

willis_protocols

[see also my Links>Nutrients folder and msg archive for more

info]

" ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

>

> You will need to read Dr. Orlee's information on this.

> He wrote Minerals for the Genetic Code.

> He also did a seminar for Acres USA on this. He has

> mapped out each mineral and what they do.

> It is specifically iodine and selenium not thyroid

> hormone that deals with p53.

>

> http://www.acresusa.com/tapes/closeup.asp?

prodid=1565 & catid=76 & pcid=3

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> Re: New PDF Book on Iodine uploaded

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> > " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@> wrote:

> >> p53 is the guardian of the genetic code and

> >> keeps bad cells in check.

> >> Without enough iodine or selenium it does not

> >> (cannot) do its job. That is when things go haywire.

> >>

> >> Steph

> >

> >

> > My sense is it's Thyroid Hormone that contributes to

> > proper p53 function and cell differentiation.

> >

> > Basic iodine and selenium nutrition contribute to

> > thyroid hormone levels, especially in the normal person,

> > and it's the resulting Thyroid Hormone that is operative.

> >

> > In Hashimotos-hypothyroid, one takes thyroid med for

> > thyroid hormone, and antibodies do not attack that

> > *circulating* thyroid hormone, like they may attack a

> > thyroid gland that's trying to produce hormone.

> >

> > If one has no thyroid, they take thyroid med, lots of it, a

> > full replacement dose.

> >

> > I don't think we have any idea what high iodine

> > (say over 1000 mcg, or 50 mg specifically) or high selenium

> > (200 mcg) will do to p53 function longer-term. It will be

> > interesting though, if the research is well designed and

> > done with no preconceptions or biases.

> >

> > Carol Willis

> > May 1, 2008

> > willis_protocols

[Guest guest]

How could that be measured so that it could be known? How close would I

have to live to the beach? I used to live right on the water not long ago,

so how would I know how much iodine I breathed? I live in FL and I still

need iodine. In fact, eating all the seafood that I do, I have some mercury

in my system. Using the ocean as an iodine source is a double edged sword

now with all the pollution.

>>He speaks of iodine largely as a trace mineral, and the

dangers of fluroine displacing it. That if live by the sea,

we get enough iodine breathing the air, otherwise we may need

to take some iodine.