Re: --ferritin (Was--Another newbie & a question)

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Hi , I can answer your ferritin question. Your ferritin is your

iron stores. That is what gets depleted first when you get iron

deficiency. The next step is anemia where your other iron levels

begin to drop.

Iron deficiency will cause you to have problems converting T4 to T3

and it will give you problems actually getting thyroid hormones into

the cells.

Iron supplements are what you need to raise your levels. You have to

take enough, though. I see the best results in others who have

taken 150-200 mg of iron daily. I take 180 mg. I had a ferritin of

20 in December and raised it to 58 after 14 weeks of that daily 180

mg. I need for it to be 70-90 to use my thyroid hormones

efficiently.

I don't think ferritin is influenced by iodine. But low thyroid can

actually cause iron deficiency because of the low body temperature.

Missy

>

> Hmmmm. Looking over that list makes me wonder. I just had my

latest round of

> bloodwork done, and even though my iron levels are fine, my

ferritin is in sad shape. Will

> iodine help my ferritin level? How come my ferritin level is so

low, but my iron looks

> good? I eat liver (gag) and take good suppliments. Here is my

ferritin level:

>

> Ferritin Lab ranges

> 18 10-291

>

> Not too good, eh? If iodine won't increase it, and iron won't

increase it, what will?

>

> Thanks,

> Renée

>

> ps---In a round a bout way, this IS all iodine related. I'll bet

a good number of folks who

> come here have thyroid issues of some kind, and if these other

things, like ferritin, aren't

> dealt with, then someone may say that the iodine " didn't work for

them " when something

> else was also involved, and needing to be addressed. Who knows?

All I know is I really

> appreciate the help, and understanding here. :-)

[Guest guest]

Missy, I thought iron was hard to absorb? Do you have a brand you

recommend? Thanks! Sharon

>

> Hi , I can answer your ferritin question. Your ferritin is

your

> iron stores. That is what gets depleted first when you get iron

> deficiency. The next step is anemia where your other iron levels

> begin to drop.

>

> Iron deficiency will cause you to have problems converting T4 to

T3

> and it will give you problems actually getting thyroid hormones

into

> the cells.

>

> Iron supplements are what you need to raise your levels. You have

to

> take enough, though. I see the best results in others who have

> taken 150-200 mg of iron daily. I take 180 mg. I had a ferritin

of

> 20 in December and raised it to 58 after 14 weeks of that daily

180

> mg. I need for it to be 70-90 to use my thyroid hormones

> efficiently.

>

> I don't think ferritin is influenced by iodine. But low thyroid

can

> actually cause iron deficiency because of the low body temperature.

> Missy

[Guest guest]

Iron is hard on my gut. I've had this low ferritin number since 2003. If I

take certain kinds

of iron, or too much, I get digestive problems. This is one reason I eat iron

every week,

and cook in iron cookware. But if someone knows of a good " GUT GENTLE " way of

getting

more iron in, PLEASE let me know too!!

Thanks,

Renée

> >

> > Hi , I can answer your ferritin question. Your ferritin is

> your

> > iron stores. That is what gets depleted first when you get iron

> > deficiency. The next step is anemia where your other iron levels

> > begin to drop.

> >

> > Iron deficiency will cause you to have problems converting T4 to

> T3

> > and it will give you problems actually getting thyroid hormones

> into

> > the cells.

> >

> > Iron supplements are what you need to raise your levels. You have

> to

> > take enough, though. I see the best results in others who have

> > taken 150-200 mg of iron daily. I take 180 mg. I had a ferritin

> of

> > 20 in December and raised it to 58 after 14 weeks of that daily

> 180

> > mg. I need for it to be 70-90 to use my thyroid hormones

> > efficiently.

> >

> > I don't think ferritin is influenced by iodine. But low thyroid

> can

> > actually cause iron deficiency because of the low body temperature.

> > Missy

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon, yes it is hard to absorb. There are a few things that

help: take vitamin C at the same time..eat meat with it. Separate

calcium supplements, eggs and dairy products.

I have been taking iron in the form of Ferrous Fumarate. I order it

from iherb.com and it is Twin lab brand Iron Caps. I decided to use

an OTC supplement and have to take 10 capsules a day as they are

only 18 mg. But it is working. I take 5 caps with lunch and 5 caps

with supper.

The other forms that are good to use are Ferrous Sulphate, Ferrous

Gluconate, Ferrochel..there are several good ones. The trick is to

take enough, working up slowly until you are tolerating it well.

Increase fiber and water to head off constipation.

HTH

Missy

>

> Missy, I thought iron was hard to absorb? Do you have a brand you

> recommend? Thanks! Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

Yes iron is hard on your digestion. There are a few things to

help.. Eat plenty of fiber, whole grains, fruits and veggies, etc.

Drink a lot more water than usual. I think for me, taking a

probiotic (acidopholis) every day helps, as does not eating any

dairy at all except for butter. These are the things to keep from

getting constipation.

Take your iron with food so it doesn't cause tummy upset. Also when

you first start iron supplements, you will want to increase them

slowly to the 150-200 mg goal.

Trying to get your iron up with food may take a very long time. I

took iron supplements in 180 mg daily doses for 14 weeks to get my

ferritin up just 38 points! That is more than 3 months. I still

have 2-3 months to go to get mine up to 70-90.

I listed iron types in the last post..I won't repeat them here, but

you will likley want to avoid ferrous sulphate, as it tends to be

harder on you. Try one of the others.

Missy

>

> Iron is hard on my gut. I've had this low ferritin number since

2003. If I take certain kinds

> of iron, or too much, I get digestive problems. This is one

reason I eat iron every week,

> and cook in iron cookware. But if someone knows of a good " GUT

GENTLE " way of getting

> more iron in, PLEASE let me know too!!

> Thanks,

> Renée

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone tried organic molasses as an iron

supplement ? This is easy on the stomach and gives a

high dose of iron.

Warmly,

Atul

--- sewmissy2 <sewmissy2@...> wrote:

> Yes iron is hard on your digestion. There are a few

> things to

> help.. Eat plenty of fiber, whole grains, fruits and

> veggies, etc.

> Drink a lot more water than usual. I think for me,

> taking a

> probiotic (acidopholis) every day helps, as does not

> eating any

> dairy at all except for butter. These are the

> things to keep from

> getting constipation.

>

> Take your iron with food so it doesn't cause tummy

> upset. Also when

> you first start iron supplements, you will want to

> increase them

> slowly to the 150-200 mg goal.

>

> Trying to get your iron up with food may take a very

> long time. I

> took iron supplements in 180 mg daily doses for 14

> weeks to get my

> ferritin up just 38 points! That is more than 3

> months. I still

> have 2-3 months to go to get mine up to 70-90.

>

> I listed iron types in the last post..I won't repeat

> them here, but

> you will likley want to avoid ferrous sulphate, as

> it tends to be

> harder on you. Try one of the others.

>

> Missy

>

>

> >

> > Iron is hard on my gut. I've had this low

> ferritin number since

> 2003. If I take certain kinds

> > of iron, or too much, I get digestive problems.

> This is one

> reason I eat iron every week,

> > and cook in iron cookware. But if someone knows

> of a good " GUT

> GENTLE " way of getting

> > more iron in, PLEASE let me know too!!

> > Thanks,

> > Renée

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I dearly LOVE molasses! But because of my bowel problems I've had to go on a

special

diet called the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. It is for folks with IBD's (crohn's

& ulcerative

colitis), Celiac, and IBS. On that diet, we can't eat molasses, but it is a

good thought for

those who can. What a yummy way to get iron! :-)

> > >

> > > Iron is hard on my gut. I've had this low

> > ferritin number since

> > 2003. If I take certain kinds

> > > of iron, or too much, I get digestive problems.

> > This is one

> > reason I eat iron every week,

> > > and cook in iron cookware. But if someone knows

> > of a good " GUT

> > GENTLE " way of getting

> > > more iron in, PLEASE let me know too!!

> > > Thanks,

> > > Renée

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Folks! There are food sources of iron: molasses (brush your teeth after), raisins, prunes, likely more still. I like Floradix for iron. Steve

Re: --ferritin (Was--Another newbie & a question)

Iron is hard on my gut. I've had this low ferritin number since 2003. If I take certain kinds of iron, or too much, I get digestive problems. This is one reason I eat iron every week, and cook in iron cookware. But if someone knows of a good "GUT GENTLE" way of getting more iron in, PLEASE let me know too!!Thanks,Renée> >> > Hi , I can answer your ferritin question. Your ferritin is > your > > iron stores. That is what gets depleted first when you get iron > > deficiency. The next step is anemia where your other iron levels > > begin to drop. > > > > Iron deficiency will cause you to have problems converting T4 to > T3 > > and it will give you problems actually getting thyroid hormones > into > > the cells. > > > > Iron supplements are what you need to raise your levels. You have > to > > take enough, though. I see the best results in others who have > > taken 150-200 mg of iron daily. I take 180 mg. I had a ferritin > of > > 20 in December and raised it to 58 after 14 weeks of that daily > 180 > > mg. I need for it to be 70-90 to use my thyroid hormones > > efficiently.> > > > I don't think ferritin is influenced by iodine. But low thyroid > can > > actually cause iron deficiency because of the low body temperature.> > Missy>

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I don't honestly know why, but low ferritin will sabotage thyroid treatment. I know of no connection to iodine, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is one. Some ladies on the NaturalThyroidHormones group take an astounding amount of iron. Empirically, it seems like 70 or so is where the ferritin needs to be before any thyroid treatment will work.For more info, you might try the ferritin forum at STTM: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/index.phpHTH! -- prrreborn1000 <reborn1000@...> wrote: Hmmmm. Looking over that list makes me wonder. I just had my latest round of bloodwork done, and even though my iron levels are fine, my ferritin is in sad shape. Will iodine help

my ferritin level? How come my ferritin level is so low, but my iron looks good? I eat liver (gag) and take good suppliments. Here is my ferritin level: Ferritin Lab ranges 18 10-291 Not too good, eh? If iodine won't increase it, and iron won't increase it, what will? Thanks, Ren�e ps---In a round a bout way, this IS all iodine related. I'll bet a good number of folks who come here have thyroid issues of some kind, and if these other things, like ferritin, aren't dealt with, then someone may say that the iodine "didn't work for them" when something else was also involved, and needing to be addressed. Who knows? All I know is I really appreciate the help, and understanding here. :-) > > Wow, you've been through the wringer. I don't want to get too "thyroidy" on the iodine group, but briefly: > > 1. Blood tests are crude measures, at best. Symptoms matter more than tests. > 2. TSH is dang near useless. Ignore it. > 3. If you have trouble on doses of Armour less than 3 grains, it is usually either weak adrenals or low ferritin. Ferritin can be tested by blood, but for adrenals you need saliva tests. > 4. Increase Armour by 1/4 grain every 3-6 weeks, by symptoms. Ignore transient symptoms that last less than a week. > > I agree with stabilizing your iodine first. I'm new to this iodine stuff, so I have no particular wisdom there. My SIL was on 150 mcg of Cytomel for years, but it's a very bumpy ride, and she is now on 4 1/2 grains of Armour and 50 Iodoral, and is feeling much

better. > > Hang in there! Yes, it's pathetic that we have to figure this out for ourselves, but at least these groups make it possible. > > HTH! -- prr > >

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I give my wife a chewable, because she has trouble swallowing pills. It's from Carlson, iron tris-glycinate I think. Ferrous sulfate is the most common supplement, but it's hard on tummies.-- prrsharflin <sharflin@...> wrote: Missy, I thought iron was hard to absorb? Do you have a brand you recommend? Thanks! Sharon > > Hi , I can answer your ferritin question. Your ferritin is your > iron stores. That is what gets depleted first when you get iron > deficiency. The next step is anemia where your other iron levels > begin to drop. > > Iron deficiency will cause you to have problems converting T4 to T3 > and it will give you

problems actually getting thyroid hormones into > the cells. > > Iron supplements are what you need to raise your levels. You have to > take enough, though. I see the best results in others who have > taken 150-200 mg of iron daily. I take 180 mg. I had a ferritin of > 20 in December and raised it to 58 after 14 weeks of that daily 180 > mg. I need for it to be 70-90 to use my thyroid hormones > efficiently. > > I don't think ferritin is influenced by iodine. But low thyroid can > actually cause iron deficiency because of the low body temperature. > Missy

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You may find your digestive problems significantly better when you get this thyroid stuff straightened out. I suffered for 20 years, playing "stump the gastro" (not actually that hard, as it turns out). They never tire of cramming photographic equipment where it was never intended to fit, but all I needed was thyroid. Sigh.-- prrreborn1000 <reborn1000@...> wrote: I dearly LOVE molasses! But because of my bowel problems I've had to go on a special diet called the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. It is for folks with IBD's (crohn's & ulcerative colitis), Celiac, and IBS. On that diet, we can't eat molasses, but it is a good thought for those who can. What a yummy way to get iron! :-) > > > > > > Iron is hard on my gut. I've had this low > > ferritin number

since > > 2003. If I take certain kinds > > > of iron, or too much, I get digestive problems. > > This is one > > reason I eat iron every week, > > > and cook in iron cookware. But if someone knows > > of a good "GUT > > GENTLE" way of getting > > > more iron in, PLEASE let me know too!! > > > Thanks, > > > Ren�e > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ >

[Guest guest]

>

> I don't think ferritin is influenced by iodine. But low thyroid can

> actually cause iron deficiency because of the low body temperature.

> Missy

>

Could you please provide a source for this assertion of low body

temperature affecting iron (stores, absorption, utilization?) ?

Thanks,

-

[Guest guest]

I second the Floradix for avoiding

stomach distress and constipation:

http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/usa/products/r64771.asp

-

p.s. - Regarding how ferritin can be low while blood levels

of iron show normal, my understanding is this is because the

iron stores (ferritin) are being used up to keep blood levels

in a proper range. So, by the time you see the serum iron

drop below acceptable levels, you are very iron deficient.

The ferritin test will show this sooner than the iron test.

Do I have this right?

>

> Hi Folks! There are food sources of iron: molasses (brush your

teeth after), raisins, prunes, likely more still. I like Floradix

for iron. Steve

[Guest guest]

> I don't think ferritin is influenced by iodine. But low thyroid can

> actually cause iron deficiency because of the low body temperature.

> Missy

>

Could you please provide a source for this assertion of low body

temperature affecting iron (stores, absorption, utilization?) ?<<

I am not Missy, but I heard this on a tape done my Dr Broda a

very famous thyroid doctor and researcher. He states on this tape of one

of his lectures that when the bone marrow gets to a certain low temp,

like below 97, it stops producing red blood cells. They proved this by

sewing a rat's tail inside his body! With the tail exposed it diod not

produce any new red cells, bbut once inside th ebody with the higher

temp, it started producing new red blood cells.

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I just found the following article in the links (under Iron). Looks like Iron and Iodine do have a relationship. Zoe

Addition of microencapsulated iron to iodized salt improves the efficacy of iodine in goitrous, iron-deficient children: a rand [a randomized, double-blind, controlled trial.] Zimmermann MB, Zeder C, Chaouki N, ani T, Saad A, Hurrell RF., 2002. Article. "In many developing countries, children are at high risk for both goiter and anemia. Iron (Fe) deficiency adversely effects thyroid metabolism and reduces efficacy of iodine prophylaxis in areas of endemic goiter. The study aim was to determine if co-fortification of iodized salt with Fe would improve efficacy of the iodine in goitrous children with a high prevalence of anemia....CONCLUSION: Addition of encapsulated Fe to iodized salt improves the efficacy of iodine in goitrous children with a high prevalence of anemia." http://eje-online.org/cgi/reprint/147/6/747

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Fascinating...-- prrZoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote: I just found the following article in the links (under Iron). Looks like Iron and Iodine do have a relationship. Zoe Addition of microencapsulated iron to iodized salt improves the efficacy of iodine in goitrous, iron-deficient children: a rand [a randomized, double-blind, controlled trial.] Zimmermann MB, Zeder C, Chaouki N, ani T, Saad A, Hurrell RF., 2002. Article. "In many developing countries, children are at high risk for both goiter and anemia. Iron (Fe) deficiency adversely effects thyroid metabolism and reduces efficacy of iodine prophylaxis in areas of endemic goiter. The study aim was to determine if co-fortification of iodized salt with Fe would improve efficacy of the iodine in goitrous children with a high prevalence of anemia....CONCLUSION: Addition of encapsulated Fe to iodized salt improves the efficacy of iodine in goitrous children with a high prevalence of anemia." http://eje-online.org/cgi/reprint/147/6/747

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Here is a summary of the study I was thinking of, :

http://www.aplasticcentral.com/_discactive/0000008c.htm

Missy

> >

> > I don't think ferritin is influenced by iodine. But low thyroid

can

> > actually cause iron deficiency because of the low body temperature.

> > Missy

> >

>

> Could you please provide a source for this assertion of low body

> temperature affecting iron (stores, absorption, utilization?) ?

>

> Thanks,

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, so there is a connection. It's interesting that iron, which can be hard to

absorb,

improved the efficacy of iodine in these anemic children. Well, I just received

my Lugol's

this afternoon, and am going to try to take a bigger amount of iron now. I'm

learning a lot

here, thanks all. :-)

Renée

>

> I just found the following article in the links (under Iron). Looks like

Iron and Iodine do

have a relationship. Zoe

>

>

> Addition of microencapsulated iron to iodized salt improves the efficacy of

iodine in

goitrous, iron-deficient children: a rand

> [a randomized, double-blind, controlled trial.] Zimmermann MB, Zeder C,

Chaouki N,

ani T, Saad A, Hurrell RF., 2002. Article. " In many developing countries,

children are

at high risk for both goiter and anemia. Iron (Fe) deficiency adversely effects

thyroid

metabolism and reduces efficacy of iodine prophylaxis in areas of endemic

goiter. The

study aim was to determine if co-fortification of iodized salt with Fe would

improve

efficacy of the iodine in goitrous children with a high prevalence of

anemia....CONCLUSION: Addition of encapsulated Fe to iodized salt improves the

efficacy

of iodine in goitrous children with a high prevalence of anemia. "

> http://eje-online.org/cgi/reprint/147/6/747

>

[Guest guest]

That is a great find, Zoe. I have used that same study numerous

times because it actually explains what effect iron deficiency has

on the metabolism of thyroid hormones. I had forgotten that the

whole article was about iodine and iron!

I always thought there was a link because thyroid is MADE of iodine,

but I hadn't really looked into it. So, being iron deficient makes

it difficult to metabolize iodine as well as thyroid!

Missy

>

> I just found the following article in the links (under Iron).

Looks like Iron and Iodine do have a relationship. Zoe

>

>

> Addition of microencapsulated iron to iodized salt improves the

efficacy of iodine in goitrous, iron-deficient children: a rand

> [a randomized, double-blind, controlled trial.] Zimmermann MB,

Zeder C, Chaouki N, ani T, Saad A, Hurrell RF., 2002.

Article. " In many developing countries, children are at high risk

for both goiter and anemia. Iron (Fe) deficiency adversely effects

thyroid metabolism and reduces efficacy of iodine prophylaxis in

areas of endemic goiter. The study aim was to determine if co-

fortification of iodized salt with Fe would improve efficacy of the

iodine in goitrous children with a high prevalence of

anemia....CONCLUSION: Addition of encapsulated Fe to iodized salt

improves the efficacy of iodine in goitrous children with a high

prevalence of anemia. "

> http://eje-online.org/cgi/reprint/147/6/747

>