Re: Slow colon transit time and bromide detoxing

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Perhaps

you could look into the herbal organ detox formula “cleanse smart”

by renew life. You can still take supplements while on it, though you

are supposed to take them at a different time than the cleanse pills. I

found that it was very helpful for my liver and my bowels, back a few years ago.

Slow colon

transit time and bromide detoxing

I've been doing a ton of

research on this one as I'm still dealing

with it no matter HOW much vit C, type of mg, water, fiber (too much

on this is bad mistake I'll tell you on that!), whatever, I simply

stop moving if I'm doing high doses of iodine.

So here's what I've found so far:

Part 1- Bromide is in quite a few drugs used prescribed for too loose

stools. It works on the smooth muscles to stop slow down transit

time....actaully stops the intestines from moving in some cases. Don't

know how it works yet though. One drug is given orally and has a

strong affinity for the colon so it's very specific. Could bromide as

it's moving out of cells cause a similar reaction as this brominated drug?

Part 2- Colon cells respond to serotonin ...the whole gut produces

something like 95% of our serotonin. People with colon inertia (slow

transit time) appear to have less serotonin than those with well

working colons. It's guessed that serotonin helps send the message to

get thing moving. People with IBS seem to produce tons of serotonin so

they get very loose bowels then the serotonin overwelmns the receptors

and thier bowels quit working.

Also depression (could be low serotonin) and constipation are common.

Bromide is starting to look like it's got a powerful effect on seretonin.

At this point I'm guessing that brain chemicals shortages and bromide

depressing the colon cells is the root of this. Not quite sure what

the best way to fix it is but if you're experiencing slow down transit

time I think you've got to stay on top of it with vit C every few

hours and small amounts of salt in water to pull the bromide through.

As for me right now...no more iodine temporarily while I work

furiously to get my colon back in shape. I know it will recover as it

did in the past. Then I guess I will have to take it day by day on

upping my dose.

I'm also looking at what amino acid combos I can add to try and build

up my serotonin....am adding 5 HTP to see what happens there.

I also think there's some link with progesterone in all this but

haven't found it yet. I think prehaps iodine might potentiate the

progesterone and that also lowers serotonin.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> Perhaps you could look into the herbal organ detox formula " cleanse

smart "

> by renew life.

----> Thanks for the recommendation ! I think though the problem

isn't just stimulation for my colon. My colon works moderately well

off any iodine and really well if I use a stimulant or magnesium.

This is more like it's frozen. I'm trying to figure out what exactly

is going on with this. Dr. Flechas was no help...he said he doesn't

hear this complaint very often but his own nurse told me she had

horrible constipation and bromide detox symptoms (she had breast

cancer in both breasts pre-iodine loading). My mother has had to

reduce her dose and other people complain of this.

BUT...not everyone. So that's why I'm trying to figure out what is

going on here. I fit the description of what happens to colons when a

bromide drug is given to stop motility. That's why I'm on the track of

looking at it as possible bromide detoxing.

But please keep pouring forth ideas...we never know what will come out!

Lynn

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Lynn,

Fascinating! Your research seems like the first real 'lead' we've had

lately for a problem so many have complained of. Thanks for sharing!

Sharon

> I've been doing a ton of research on this one as I'm still dealing

> with it no matter HOW much vit C, type of mg, water, fiber (too much

> on this is bad mistake I'll tell you on that!), whatever, I simply

> stop moving if I'm doing high doses of iodine.

>

> So here's what I've found so far:

>

> Part 1- Bromide is in quite a few drugs used prescribed for too

loose

> stools. It works on the smooth muscles to stop slow down transit

> time....actaully stops the intestines from moving in some cases.

Don't

> know how it works yet though. One drug is given orally and has a

> strong affinity for the colon so it's very specific. Could bromide

as

> it's moving out of cells cause a similar reaction as this

brominated drug?

>

> Part 2- Colon cells respond to serotonin ...the whole gut produces

> something like 95% of our serotonin. People with colon inertia (slow

> transit time) appear to have less serotonin than those with well

> working colons. It's guessed that serotonin helps send the message

to

> get thing moving. People with IBS seem to produce tons of serotonin

so

> they get very loose bowels then the serotonin overwelmns the

receptors

> and thier bowels quit working.

>

> Also depression (could be low serotonin) and constipation are

common.

> Bromide is starting to look like it's got a powerful effect on

seretonin.

>

> At this point I'm guessing that brain chemicals shortages and

bromide

> depressing the colon cells is the root of this. Not quite sure what

> the best way to fix it is but if you're experiencing slow down

transit

> time I think you've got to stay on top of it with vit C every few

> hours and small amounts of salt in water to pull the bromide

through.

>

> As for me right now...no more iodine temporarily while I work

> furiously to get my colon back in shape. I know it will recover as

it

> did in the past. Then I guess I will have to take it day by day on

> upping my dose.

>

> I'm also looking at what amino acid combos I can add to try and

build

> up my serotonin....am adding 5 HTP to see what happens there.

>

> I also think there's some link with progesterone in all this but

> haven't found it yet. I think prehaps iodine might potentiate the

> progesterone and that also lowers serotonin.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Fascinating! Your research seems like the first real 'lead' we've had

> lately for a problem so many have complained of. Thanks for sharing!

>

> Sharon

-----> Sharon...or anyone else who's interested here's the terms I

googled to come up with some research:

colon inertia

bromism

slow colon transit time

seretonin

slow gut mobility

Using the term constipation got me no where. I don't think this is

actually " constipation " but more like the description colon inertia.

Anything that anyone else can come up with would be great. I don't

feel I've got a good firm hold on this idea yet.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Just as an idea.... a intestinal parasite can also cause slow intestinal

action. You can get tested. Or, you can try Paratrex which is probably

one of the better OTC intestinal cleasers (has diatomaceous earth in it).

Just offering ideas... as this recently happened to me & things weren't

moving though me too well. Hard to notice as I was a slow mover since before

birth.

Amy

Lynn wrote:

> Perhaps you could look into the herbal organ detox formula "cleanse

smart"

> by renew life.

----> Thanks for the recommendation ! I think though the problem

isn't just stimulation for my colon. My colon works moderately well

off any iodine and really well if I use a stimulant or magnesium.

This is more like it's frozen. I'm trying to figure out what exactly

is going on with this. Dr. Flechas was no help...he said he doesn't

hear this complaint very often but his own nurse told me she had

horrible constipation and bromide detox symptoms (she had breast

cancer in both breasts pre-iodine loading). My mother has had to

reduce her dose and other people complain of this.

BUT...not everyone. So that's why I'm trying to figure out what is

going on here. I fit the description of what happens to colons when a

bromide drug is given to stop motility. That's why I'm on the track of

looking at it as possible bromide detoxing.

But please keep pouring forth ideas...we never know what will come out!

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn, I think you're on to something here with the bromide detoxing. I have the same effect from iodine that you have, frozen colon. Vit C and magnesium doesn't seem to have any effect. Do you have amalgams? I do and I was wondering if mercury detoxing could also be causing the slow colon transit time. Before iodine, I had loose bowels, moving more than twice daily. Now, if I don't take an enema, they don't move at all. Since taking the iodine, my bowel might be frozen, but it appears to help my insomnia like nothing else. Something I have been cursed with for years. Thanks for your research on this. PamelaLynn <lyn122@...> wrote: I've been doing a ton of research on this one as I'm still dealing with it no matter HOW much vit C, type of mg, water, fiber (too much on this is bad mistake I'll tell you on that!), whatever, I simply stop moving if I'm doing high doses of iodine. So here's what I've found so far: Part 1- Bromide is in quite a few drugs used prescribed for too loose stools. It works on the smooth muscles to stop slow down transit time....actaully stops the intestines from moving in some cases. Don't know how it works yet though. One drug is given orally and has a strong affinity for the colon so it's very specific. Could bromide as it's moving out of

cells cause a similar reaction as this brominated drug? Part 2- Colon cells respond to serotonin ...the whole gut produces something like 95% of our serotonin. People with colon inertia (slow transit time) appear to have less serotonin than those with well working colons. It's guessed that serotonin helps send the message to get thing moving. People with IBS seem to produce tons of serotonin so they get very loose bowels then the serotonin overwelmns the receptors and thier bowels quit working. Also depression (could be low serotonin) and constipation are common. Bromide is starting to look like it's got a powerful effect on seretonin. At this point I'm guessing that brain chemicals shortages and bromide depressing the colon cells is the root of this. Not quite sure what the best way to fix it is but if you're experiencing slow down transit time I think you've got to stay on top of it with

vit C every few hours and small amounts of salt in water to pull the bromide through. As for me right now...no more iodine temporarily while I work furiously to get my colon back in shape. I know it will recover as it did in the past. Then I guess I will have to take it day by day on upping my dose. I'm also looking at what amino acid combos I can add to try and build up my serotonin....am adding 5 HTP to see what happens there. I also think there's some link with progesterone in all this but haven't found it yet. I think prehaps iodine might potentiate the progesterone and that also lowers serotonin. Lynn __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> Since taking the iodine, my bowel might be frozen, but it appears

to help my insomnia like nothing else. Something I have been cursed

with for years.

>

>

----> Yes I think something with brain chemistry is linked to

this...the serotonin connection is very intriguing.

If it's bromide in the bowels then getting them to move daily or more

is critical. I'm not sure how to do this short of daily enemas or

colonics. And still that doesn't address the slow transit in the upper

gut. Not sure of what is the answer but I'm going to work on

increasing seretonin with foods and supplements and see where that leads.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

If it is a bromide problem, I would think it would clear up at least

somewhat by increasing salt intake. I wonder if anyone has noticed a

relationship between salt intake and constipation?

Sharon

> If it's bromide in the bowels then getting them to move daily or more

> is critical. I'm not sure how to do this short of daily enemas or

> colonics. And still that doesn't address the slow transit in the upper

> gut. Not sure of what is the answer but I'm going to work on

> increasing seretonin with foods and supplements and see where that

leads.

[Guest guest]

How would salt help this?

If it is a bromide problem, I would think it would clear up at least somewhat by increasing salt intake. I wonder if anyone has noticed a relationship between salt intake and constipation? Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't have time this morning to look this up - I think it is in both

of Brownstein's books on Iodine and Salt. The idea is that salt

attaches to bromide and escorts it out of the body. The old phase for

this is " Salting out the Bromide. " If you don't get enough salt, you

won't be able to pass as much bromide. Maybe someone else can fill in

what I have missed.

Take care,

Sharon

> How would salt help this?

>

>

>

> If it is a bromide problem, I would think it would clear up at

least

> somewhat by increasing salt intake. I wonder if anyone has noticed

a

> relationship between salt intake and constipation?

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

> How would salt help this?

The bromide binds with the Na and is supposed to be carried out of the

body. Brownstien has his patients use salted water to detox faster.

I found a couple of site for dogs that say you need to raise thier

bromide medications if the dog is getting salt or the medications

won't work well. Or reduce the salt to lower the medications.

Link to bromide detox posts. You'll need to either cut and paste them

in or go into the Links section under clinicla pearls and detox.

iodine/links/Clinical_Pearls_001138891653/

Brownstien:

iodine/links/Clinical_Pearls_001138891653/B\

rownstein_Clinical__001141306652/Brownstein_Clinical__001142091520/

Detox:

iodine/links/Clinical_Pearls_001138891653/D\

etoxing_001140703061/Bromide_Detox_001142608141/

Lynn

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-> I don't have time this morning to look this up - I think it is in both

> of Brownstein's books on Iodine and Salt. The idea is that salt

> attaches to bromide and escorts it out of the body. The old phase for

> this is " Salting out the Bromide. " If you don't get enough salt, you

> won't be able to pass as much bromide. Maybe someone else can fill in

> what I have missed.

>

Also one of the ways the military addressed bromide toxicity from

Desert Storm. Can't find the paper but if you google " army bromide "

it'll come up.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

wasn't bromide the prob for Brownstein?

Gracia

If it is a bromide problem, I would think it would clear up at least somewhat by increasing salt intake. I wonder if anyone has noticed a relationship between salt intake and constipation? Sharon> If it's bromide in the bowels then getting them to move daily or more> is critical. I'm not sure how to do this short of daily enemas or> colonics. And still that doesn't address the slow transit in the upper> gut. Not sure of what is the answer but I'm going to work on> increasing seretonin with foods and supplements and see where that leads.

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Yes he threw off large amounts of it when he started using Iodoral.

wasn't bromide the prob for Brownstein?

Gracia

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Lynn, I don't think the salt is helping me with my stagnant colon. I take tons of Celtic sea salt thru out the day with my water. Did it help you at all? PamelaLynn <lyn122@...> wrote: Also one of the ways the military addressed bromide toxicity from Desert Storm. Can't find the paper but if you google "army bromide" it'll come up. Lynn __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> I don't think the salt is helping me with my stagnant colon. I

take tons of Celtic sea salt thru out the day with my water.

>

> Did it help you at all?

>

>

Nope not so far but I've only tried it for one day. I'm doubtful

though as my diet pre-salted water has always been high in salt. I

also sip broth all day and with salt and that hasn't done nada.

I'm really leaning towards this being a neurotransmitter problem.

Either bromide or possibly the iodine causes some of us to shut down

our transmitters. What to do about it and why it's not the same for

all of us I don't have a clue......yet.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Lynn, Do you think mercury detox is effecting the colon transit time? Like I mentioned, I have amalgams and I wonder if the iodine is detoxing the mercury. PamelaLynn <lyn122@...> wrote: > Since taking the iodine, my bowel might be frozen, but it appears to help my insomnia like nothing else. Something I have been cursed with for years. > > ----> Yes I think something with brain chemistry is linked to this...the

serotonin connection is very intriguing. If it's bromide in the bowels then getting them to move daily or more is critical. I'm not sure how to do this short of daily enemas or colonics. And still that doesn't address the slow transit in the upper gut. Not sure of what is the answer but I'm going to work on increasing seretonin with foods and supplements and see where that leads. Lynn __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Could it not simply be a case of iodine killing off too much (good)

bacteria and hence causing constipation?

I know that antibiotics often result in constipation for the same

reason (they kill of all the good bacteria).

I'm sure bacteria play a role in gut motility - how much of a role I

don't know.

.

>

> I've been doing a ton of research on this one as I'm still dealing

> with it no matter HOW much vit C, type of mg, water, fiber (too much

> on this is bad mistake I'll tell you on that!), whatever, I simply

> stop moving if I'm doing high doses of iodine.

>

> So here's what I've found so far:

>

> Part 1- Bromide is in quite a few drugs used prescribed for too loose

> stools. It works on the smooth muscles to stop slow down transit

> time....actaully stops the intestines from moving in some cases. Don't

> know how it works yet though. One drug is given orally and has a

> strong affinity for the colon so it's very specific. Could bromide as

> it's moving out of cells cause a similar reaction as this brominated

drug?

>

> Part 2- Colon cells respond to serotonin ...the whole gut produces

> something like 95% of our serotonin. People with colon inertia (slow

> transit time) appear to have less serotonin than those with well

> working colons. It's guessed that serotonin helps send the message to

> get thing moving. People with IBS seem to produce tons of serotonin so

> they get very loose bowels then the serotonin overwelmns the receptors

> and thier bowels quit working.

>

> Also depression (could be low serotonin) and constipation are common.

> Bromide is starting to look like it's got a powerful effect on

seretonin.

>

> At this point I'm guessing that brain chemicals shortages and bromide

> depressing the colon cells is the root of this. Not quite sure what

> the best way to fix it is but if you're experiencing slow down transit

> time I think you've got to stay on top of it with vit C every few

> hours and small amounts of salt in water to pull the bromide through.

>

> As for me right now...no more iodine temporarily while I work

> furiously to get my colon back in shape. I know it will recover as it

> did in the past. Then I guess I will have to take it day by day on

> upping my dose.

>

> I'm also looking at what amino acid combos I can add to try and build

> up my serotonin....am adding 5 HTP to see what happens there.

>

> I also think there's some link with progesterone in all this but

> haven't found it yet. I think prehaps iodine might potentiate the

> progesterone and that also lowers serotonin.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

-> Do you think mercury detox is effecting the colon transit time?

>

> Like I mentioned, I have amalgams and I wonder if the iodine is

detoxing the mercury.

>

------> well that's another thought too as the iodine pulls mercury

out. My levels though have never been very high ...at least on a hair

tests but that might not mean much. I really don't know......

L

[Guest guest]

> Could it not simply be a case of iodine killing off too much (good)

> bacteria and hence causing constipation?

>

> I know that antibiotics often result in constipation for the same

> reason (they kill of all the good bacteria).

>

> I'm sure bacteria play a role in gut motility - how much of a role I

> don't know.

>

-------> This has been my thought all along but I'm beginning to doubt

that now. Abrahams says no ...lynnelalala asked him.

I read a ton on gut colon bacteria orginally as I was sure that was it

but the more I looked at it the more it doesn't feel quite right. It's

not classic constipation but more like no intestinal motility.

Does that make sense.....

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Cleanse

smart is not a herbal laxative (though there are some herbs in it that have

that quality among their powers) In other words, I don’t think the

product just stimulates defecation, but actually helps your body detoxify

itself, by giving it the means to clear itself of things, “not self”…For

instance, it has in it Milk Thistle, which can actually allow you to survive

and detoxify from ingesting poisonous mushrooms...

And, for what its worth, I have a very

delicate constitution and this product was not harmful in any way to me, did

not upset my balance.. A high tech solution might not be so gentle.

Lynn wrote:

>.

So that's why I'm trying to figure out what is

going on here. I fit the description of what happens to colons when a

bromide drug is given to stop motility. That's why I'm on the track of

[Guest guest]

Well,

if this is true, we could do a poll of all of us iodine users and the relative

salt use… I use heaps and heaps of the expensive unrefined celtic sea

salt, and I poo perfectly, no strain, no mess, no stink (but then, I’m

also a WAPF-er, not on the Standard diet) LOL renee

Re: Slow colon

transit time and bromide detoxing

Hi ,

I don't have time this morning to look this up - I think it is in both

of Brownstein's books on Iodine and Salt. The idea is that salt

attaches to bromide and escorts it out of the body. The old phase for

this is " Salting out the Bromide. " If you don't get enough salt, you

won't be able to pass as much bromide. Maybe someone else can fill in

what I have missed.

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

I gave

a kefir demo at the local health food store. The woman that runs the store

told me that the kefir habit she began on my grains cleared up her lifelong

constipation – and this woman is an expert in natural health. So, I do

believe sometimes good bacteria is the magic ingredient for constipation.

Re: Slow colon

transit time and bromide detoxing

Could it not simply be a case of iodine killing off

too much (good)

bacteria and hence causing constipation?

I know that antibiotics often result in constipation for the same

reason (they kill of all the good bacteria).

I'm sure bacteria play a role in gut motility - how much of a role I

don't know.

.

[Guest guest]

Well, if this is true, we could do a poll of all of us iodine users and the> relative salt use. I use heaps and heaps of the expensive unrefined celtic> sea salt, and I poo perfectly, no strain, no mess, no stink (but then, I'm> also a WAPF-er, not on the Standard diet) LOL renee> ------ this is the crux of the problem. Some of us have absolutely no problem with colon issues on iodine and some of us have horrendous problems. I don't think a perfect diet is it. I use lots of celtic salt and have been eating paleo/WAP for years now. I use tons of fermented foods, grassfed meats, raw dairy, high quality fats, bone broths and on and on. Something else is going on here and I'm not sure what it is.I'm betting that it has to do with serotonin or other neurotransmitters in the intestinal cells.Prehaps those of you with good producing cells do fine and those of us with serotonin issues really struggle. The iodine itself might be causign the problem with the neurotransmitters.But I don't know how it all fits right now. We need to figure this out though because the iodine is critical to people dealing with cancer and they don't have time to take major breaks in thier protocol to wait while thier colon gets back in shape.Lynn

[Guest guest]

I'm with you, Lynn. I have been eating paleo/WAP for years, drinking a quart of kefir made from raw milk daily. So, plenty of probiotics and such in my daily routine. There IS another answer. Thanks for your thoughtful consideration to this. We and future iodinites will benefit from your researach. PamelaLynn <lyn122@...> wrote: Well, if this is true, we could do a poll of all of us iodine users and the> relative salt use. I use heaps and heaps of the

expensive unrefined celtic> sea salt, and I poo perfectly, no strain, no mess, no stink (but then, I'm> also a WAPF-er, not on the Standard diet) LOL renee> ------ this is the crux of the problem. Some of us have absolutely no problem with colon issues on iodine and some of us have horrendous problems. I don't think a perfect diet is it. I use lots of celtic salt and have been eating paleo/WAP for years now. I use tons of fermented foods, grassfed meats, raw dairy, high quality fats, bone broths and on and on. Something else is going on here and I'm not sure what it is.I'm betting that it has to do with serotonin or other neurotransmitters in the intestinal cells.Prehaps those of you with good producing cells do fine and those of us with serotonin issues really struggle. The iodine itself might be causign the problem with the neurotransmitters.But I don't know how it all fits right now. We need to figure this out though because the iodine is critical to people dealing with cancer and they don't have time to take major breaks in thier protocol to wait while thier colon gets back in shape.Lynn __________________________________________________