Re: Slow colon transit time and bromide detoxing

[Guest guest]

You seem to be getting high amounts of calcium... too high. Just in the milk

alone you intake at least 120% of the RDA. Do you eat cheese and take calcium

supplements too? I would assume you would have a problem with constipation AND

insomnia. I know I would if I had as high an intake of calcium.

--- Pamela <calblonde1@...> wrote:

> I'm with you, Lynn. I have been eating paleo/WAP for years, drinking a

> quart of kefir made from raw milk daily. So, plenty of probiotics and such

> in my daily routine.

>

> There IS another answer. Thanks for your thoughtful consideration to

> this. We and future iodinites will benefit from your researach.

>

> Pamela

>

> Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote:

>

> Well, if this is true, we could do a poll of all of us iodine users and the

> > relative salt use. I use heaps and heaps of the expensive unrefined celtic

> > sea salt, and I poo perfectly, no strain, no mess, no stink (but then, I'm

> > also a WAPF-er, not on the Standard diet) LOL renee

> >

>

>

> ------ this is the crux of the problem. Some of us have absolutely no

> problem with colon issues on iodine and some of us have horrendous

> problems. I don't think a perfect diet is it. I use lots of celtic salt and

> have been eating paleo/WAP for years now. I use tons of fermented foods,

> grassfed meats, raw dairy, high quality fats, bone broths and on and on.

> Something else is going on here and I'm not sure what it is.

>

> I'm betting that it has to do with serotonin or other neurotransmitters in

> the intestinal cells.

> Prehaps those of you with good producing cells do fine and those of us

> with serotonin issues really struggle. The iodine itself might be causign

> the problem with the neurotransmitters.

>

> But I don't know how it all fits right now. We need to figure this out

> though because the iodine is critical to people dealing with cancer and they

> don't have time to take major breaks in thier protocol to wait while thier

> colon gets back in shape.

>

> Lynn

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I

searched for serotonin on the WAPF site, and around. Are you constipated people

on anti depressants, cholesterol lowering drugs, do you have extremely low

cholesterol (some very ill people do), use artificial sweeteners? Do you

get no sun without sun block? Are you diabetic? Are you in a

very low thyroid state? Do you sleep in complete darkness? Perhaps

amino acids might help you make more serotonins? -renee

If there is even the tiniest bit of light in the room it can disrupt

your circadian rhythm and your pineal gland's production of melatonin and seratonin.

There also should be as little light in the bathroom as possible if you get up in

the middle of the night - mercola

“Serotonin

in the gut is thought to initiate peristalsis, the rhythmic movement of food

through the digestive tract. Drugs like Prozac actually divert serotonin from

the intestinal tract to the brain, leading to digestive problems including

constipation in many patients.”-jordan rubin

“Cholesterol is

vital to proper neurological function. It plays a key role in the formation of

memory and the uptake of hormones in the brain, including serotonin, the

body’s feel-good chemical. When cholesterol levels drop too low, the

serotonin receptors cannot work. Cholesterol is the main organic molecule in

the brain, constituting over half the dry weight of the cerebral cortex.”

– sally fallon and mary enig

Aspartame itself

doesn’t have any calories, but basically, one of its ingredients, the amino

acid phenylalanine, blocks production of serotonin, a nerve chemical that,

among other activities, controls food cravings. As you might well imagine, a

shortage of serotonin will make your brain and body scream for the foods that

create more of this brain chemical—and those are the high-calorie,

carbohydrate-rich snacks that can sabotage a dieter. Obviously, the more

aspartame one ingests, the more heightened the effects. Simply put, aspartame

appears to muddle the brain chemistry. – Ephraim

One doctor told me that my serotonin levels were way down as a result

of being hypothyroid and the only medication he could put me on was Prozac. –

letter to Sally Fallon.

Amino acids are the

key to The Diet Cure. It’s

more than just textbook knowledge, but actual clinical experience that leads to

Ross’s claim: " They are stronger than will power and more effective

and safer for most people than drugs like Prozac and Fen-Phen. . . . These

isolated protein fragments are the miracle foods that your brain uses to make

its most powerful pleasure chemicals: serotonin—your natural Prozac;

dopamine/norepinephrine—your natural cocaine; endorphin—naturally

stronger than heroin; and GABA—naturally more relaxing than Valium. A

brain that is fully stocked with these natural mood enhancers simply has no

need for a sugar high. " – Sally Fallon on the diet cure

Dr. Reinhold Veith, a prominent vitamin D researcher in Canada,

recently found that vitamin D improves depressive symptoms (Nutr J 2004 Jul 19;3(1)8). He compared

doses of 600 IU and 4,000 IU and found that taking 4,000 units per day helped

depressive symptoms the most, resulting in all subjects achieving levels

greater than 40 ng/ml. One way that vitamin D works is by increasing serotonin

levels in the brain – sally fallon caustic commentary

The benefit of B12 for

depression may be due to B12’s ability to activate a substance called tetrahydrobiopterin

(BH4), a compound which in turn helps activate " feel good "

neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine.34

Surprisingly, B12 has also proven successful in treating diabetic neuropathy,

possibly because the condition of diabetes deranges B12 metabolism.35

- Sally Fallon

Re: Re: Slow

colon transit time and bromide detoxing

You seem to be getting high amounts of calcium... too

high. Just in the milk

alone you intake at least 120% of the RDA. Do you eat cheese and take calcium

supplements too? I would assume you would have a problem with constipation AND

insomnia. I know I would if I had as high an intake of calcium.

--- Pamela <calblonde1 >

wrote:

> I'm with you, Lynn. I have been eating paleo/WAP for years, drinking a

> quart of kefir made from raw milk daily. So, plenty of probiotics and such

> in my daily routine.

>

> There IS another answer. Thanks for your thoughtful consideration to

> this. We and future iodinites will benefit from your researach.

>

> Pamela

>

> Lynn <lyn122 >

wrote:

>

> Well, if this is true, we could do a poll of all of us iodine users and

the

> > relative salt use. I use heaps and heaps of the expensive unrefined

celtic

> > sea salt, and I poo perfectly, no strain, no mess, no stink (but

then, I'm

> > also a WAPF-er, not on the Standard diet) LOL renee

> >

>

>

> ------ this is the crux of the problem. Some of us have absolutely no

> problem with colon issues on iodine and some of us have horrendous

> problems. I don't think a perfect diet is it. I use lots of celtic salt

and

> have been eating paleo/WAP for years now. I use tons of fermented foods,

> grassfed meats, raw dairy, high quality fats, bone broths and on and on.

> Something else is going on here and I'm not sure what it is.

>

> I'm betting that it has to do with serotonin or other neurotransmitters in

> the intestinal cells.

> Prehaps those of you with good producing cells do fine and those of us

> with serotonin issues really struggle. The iodine itself might be causign

> the problem with the neurotransmitters.

>

> But I don't know how it all fits right now. We need to figure this out

> though because the iodine is critical to people dealing with cancer and

they

> don't have time to take major breaks in thier protocol to wait while thier

> colon gets back in shape.

>

> Lynn

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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> You seem to be getting high amounts of calcium... too high. Just in

the milk

> alone you intake at least 120% of the RDA. Do you eat cheese and

take calcium

> supplements too? I would assume you would have a problem with

constipation AND

> insomnia. I know I would if I had as high an intake of calcium.

>

----I don't know about others but for me it doesn't seem to matter.

Right now my max dairy intake is 1 cup of either raw goat kefir or

yogurt a day. I've tried going off all dairy and tried just keeping

cheese out. Can't tell a bit of difference. In fact other than travel

and now iodine I've never found rhyme or reason to why my colon slows

down.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> I searched for serotonin on the WAPF site, and around. Are you

constipated

> people on anti depressants, cholesterol lowering drugs, do you have

> extremely low cholesterol (some very ill people do), use artificial

> sweeteners? Do you get no sun without sun block? Are you diabetic?

Are

> you in a very low thyroid state? Do you sleep in complete darkness?

> Perhaps amino acids might help you make more serotonins? -renee

>

>

-----> For me NOPE to the above and YUP I'm currently looking into

amino acids and other supplements as well as low amine diets and ways

to lower competition with tryptophan.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

>From: " Lynn " <lyn122@...>

>-----> For me NOPE to the above and YUP I'm currently looking into

>amino acids and other supplements as well as low amine diets and ways

>to lower competition with tryptophan.

B6 seems popular, this site also explains why most people get too much -

http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bomber/bomber1.html

" I found that B6 destroys all the tryptophan in the diet by converting it

directly into the vitamin Niacin while still in the bloodstream right after

ingesting the B6. By doing that, none of the tryptophan can later enter the

brain and become converted into either serotonin or melatonin to operate the

circadian clocks. The sudden excess of Niacin caused by the B6 in the

bloodstream is simply wasted and peed away. "

Also this explains B6 a little better,

http://www.brojon.org/DigestArchives/060421.html

The other primary confusion is -- what is B6? There are many forms of

" natural " B6 found in plants and some meats. The major forms are pyridoxine,

pyridoxal, and peridoxamine, but there are many other related forms. They

don't all work the same way. Most of the " natural " forms are in such small

amounts as to be almost non-existent. The easiest and cheapest form is the

synthetic form of pyridoxine. This one single form is what is added to

1-a-day vitamin pills, to most breads and breakfast cereals and even sold

separately as B6 dietary supplement pills.

But pay attention now -- what happens if you add pyridoxine B6 to

L-tryptophan or tryptophane? Pyridoxine converts the L-tryptophan to Niacin

and thus limits almost all the amount of serotonin or melatonin which can be

produced in the brain. Definitely not a good thing. The pyridoxine converts

most of the tryptophane into fibrinogen. And what is fibrinogen?

Fibrinogen is what creates those fibers in the blood which make your blood

clot and stop the bleeding. But what happens if you overdose with B6 and

then produce too much fibrinogen? The result is random blood clots or

thrombosis, leading to coronary thrombosis or catastrophic heart attacks, or

strokes in the brain or random brain damage caused by blood clots.

**************

For those taking B6, it's at least worth thinking about.

As for the slow colon transit time, is that becuase you use Iodoral instead

of Lugol's, I can't remember.

Skipper

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I find this discussion quite interesting because I have always been a slow mover; multiple bowel problems as a child and on up through adulthood. Introducing Iodine in the form of Iodoral has actually helped me get things moving! I have improved my diet some, but since late last August, when I started using Iodoral, I have noticed a difference, and my dietary changes aren't such that would bring about the dramatic change I have experienced. I am much more regular now; once to twice per day instead of every other day, so I am a happy camper here. C.

[Guest guest]

Lynn, …Do you feel the travel constipation is due to stress?

My daughter feels that stress causes her

constipation. She says weekends are much better than

schooldays. Could taking large doses of iodine be… stressing your

body?…Just imagine all the things the body is doing with the iodine…

I wonder if treating the body as if it is recouperating

would help?… Lots of rest, and only extremely easy to digest foods…

>.

In fact other than travel

>and now iodine I've

never found rhyme or reason to why my colon slows

>down.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Skipper, do you know if B6 interacts with 5-HTP? If not, that would be a way of increasing serotonin even with B6.

Also, I was a bit confused with the quote. First it says that Pyridoxine converts the L-tryptophan to Niacin. Then, it says it converts most of the tryptophane into fibrinogen. Is L-tryptophan different from tryptophane?

Zoe

----- Original Message -----

From: Skipper Beers

iodine But pay attention now -- what happens if you add pyridoxine B6 to L-tryptophan or tryptophane? Pyridoxine converts the L-tryptophan to Niacin and thus limits almost all the amount of serotonin or melatonin which can be produced in the brain. Definitely not a good thing. The pyridoxine converts most of the tryptophane into fibrinogen. And what is fibrinogen?

[Guest guest]

>From: " Zoe & " <ZOEA@...>

>Skipper, do you know if B6 interacts with 5-HTP? If not, that would be a

>way of increasing serotonin even with B6.

>

>Also, I was a bit confused with the quote. First it says that Pyridoxine

>converts the L-tryptophan to Niacin. Then, it says it converts most of the

>tryptophane into fibrinogen. Is L-tryptophan different from tryptophane?

First let me say I don't know much about what this guy talks about. It does

seem to make sense, and I think it makes more sense to listen to the

" alternative " information than to the medical establishment. But, he

doesn't really explain it.

He says there is a difference between tryptophan and tryptophane -

http://www.brojon.org/DigestArchives/060421.html

Most people, including doctors and biochemists, don't know the difference

between tryptophan and tryptophane.

And what about the commonly sold " metabolite " 5-hydroxytryptophan or 5-HTP?

It turns out from my studies, that only the L-tryptophan form of the amino

acid is psychoactive and acts as a precursor for serotonin and melatonin.

None of the numerous " replacements " on the market are active at all, and

they are a waste of money. And they are dangerous.

But pay attention now -- what happens if you add pyridoxine B6 to

L-tryptophan or tryptophane? Pyridoxine converts the L-tryptophan to Niacin

and thus limits almost all the amount of serotonin or melatonin which can be

produced in the brain. Definitely not a good thing. The pyridoxine converts

most of the tryptophane into fibrinogen. And what is fibrinogen

*********************************

He says, he has studied it and this is what B6 does to tryptophan -

http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bomber/bomber1.html

" I first discovered the problem with B6 about 20 years ago. I found that B6

destroys all the tryptophan in the diet by converting it directly into the

vitamin Niacin while still in the bloodstream right after ingesting the B6.

By doing that, none of the tryptophan can later enter the brain and become

converted into either serotonin or melatonin to operate the circadian

clocks. The sudden excess of Niacin caused by the B6 in the bloodstream is

simply wasted and peed away. "

****************

If this is true, it's different than what most nutritionists think. He's

saying it doesn't give typtophan a chance to convert to serotonin.

In the 3 part series he wrote on B6, he seems to think it causes obesity and

all kinds of problems.

Skipper

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what? I drink a lot of raw milk, I crave milk especially at night, love cheese etc. even get calcium in my vitamin. I don't have constipation or insomnia.

Gracia

You seem to be getting high amounts of calcium... too high. Just in the milkalone you intake at least 120% of the RDA. Do you eat cheese and take calciumsupplements too? I would assume you would have a problem with constipation ANDinsomnia. I know I would if I had as high an intake of calcium.

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I've found a bit more out on this but still don't have answers on what to do other than cut down on the iodine temporarily. Anyhow here's the short version of where I'm at presently.On the radio program I posted earlier Dr. Flechas talks about how iodine will sensitized all the hormone receptors in the body not just the ones for sex hormones. So again I'm assuming this is a receptor problem some of us are experiencing. I suspect we have a shortage of either the enzymes needed to convert or an actual blockage going on. Possibly the blockage is bromide.btw...neither increasing vit C, water nor salt has helped me. The list of players among which I suspect could be going haywire:Seretonin - involved with peristalisis ...too much and you get loose stools, too little and nothing. IBS people seem to show high levels then the high seretonin overstimulates the colon cells and they get shut down . Constipation happensAcetylcholine - sends the message to the gut cells ot produce seretonin. Bromide drugs work on these by blocking the acetylcholine from releasing. These drugs are used with IBS patients to stop the gut spasms that are so painful to them.Motilin - hormone released by the gut that starts peristalisis. Some antibiotics stimulate the release of motilin which is why they can give loose bowels. Cholesystokinin - don't know if it has a role in this...it's secreted by the pancrease to tell bile to be released. Carbohydrates appear to increase this as well as whey.Progesterone or Estrogen Iodine plays a key role with both of these but exactly what isn't understood. Too much progesterone slows down the gut and estrogen seems to be related to neurotransmitter releases.So what might help....Tryptophan - increases serotonin but apparently only in the brain5HTP- increases serotonin possibly in the gut. I bought some this week and am experimenting with 5HTP during the day and 1 tryptophan at nightHerbal laxatives like senna leaf and cascara sagrada may increase serotonin in the colon cells. Using mild amounts like in smooth move tea or Dr. Schult's baby constipation formula might be helpful. I'm aobut to retry this with the 5HTP.Bulking agents like fiber....be very careful with this approach as the problem may not be lack of fiber/water but lack of gut motility signaling. The fiber can make it all worse as the colon muscles can't move it forward.Protien can disrupt the balance with tryptophan so this might be making things worse also. See Deflice's article on this: http://www.enzymestuff.com/serotonin.htm These 'side-effects' of a high-protein diet occur for the same reasons given here: high-protein diets decrease serotonin levels and anxiety, hyperness, or jitters can result.Colostrum appears to help increase motilin so i'll also try adding that into my supplement mix.One more thing...gut damage from gluten, dairy, parasites or whatever will cut down on seretonin release. Lynn

[Guest guest]

Magnesium fixes your problem just too much so, correct? Maybe you should be

researching why you cannot take magnesium. Magnesium is an Integral part of

the Iodine loading protocol and I assume you are now taking none. We have

another poster who does not take magnesium complaining about blood sugar. Am I

seeing a pattern?

Brownstein says “If one is found to be iodine deficient, it is best to correct

other nutrient imbalances before instituting iodine supplementation. Proper

dosing of magnesium, Vitamin C and minerals will maximize the response to

iodine. "

Abraham says " For best results, orthoiodosupplementation should be part of a

complete nutritional program, emphasizing magnesium instead of calcium. "

--- Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote:

> I've found a bit more out on this but still don't have answers on what

> to do other than cut down on the iodine temporarily. Anyhow here's the

> short version of where I'm at presently.

> On the radio program I posted earlier Dr. Flechas talks about how iodine

> will sensitized all the hormone receptors in the body not just the ones

> for sex hormones. So again I'm assuming this is a receptor problem some

> of us are experiencing. I suspect we have a shortage of either the

> enzymes needed to convert or an actual blockage going on. Possibly the

> blockage is bromide.

>

> btw...neither increasing vit C, water nor salt has helped me.

>

> The list of players among which I suspect could be going haywire:

>

> Seretonin - involved with peristalisis ...too much and you get loose

> stools, too little and nothing. IBS people seem to show high levels then

> the high seretonin overstimulates the colon cells and they get shut down

> . Constipation happens

>

> Acetylcholine - sends the message to the gut cells ot produce seretonin.

> Bromide drugs work on these by blocking the acetylcholine from

> releasing. These drugs are used with IBS patients to stop the gut spasms

> that are so painful to them.

>

> Motilin - hormone released by the gut that starts peristalisis. Some

> antibiotics stimulate the release of motilin which is why they can give

> loose bowels.

>

> Cholesystokinin - don't know if it has a role in this...it's secreted by

> the pancrease to tell bile to be released. Carbohydrates appear to

> increase this as well as whey.

>

> Progesterone or Estrogen Iodine plays a key role with both of these but

> exactly what isn't understood. Too much progesterone slows down the gut

> and estrogen seems to be related to neurotransmitter releases.

>

> So what might help....

>

>

> * Tryptophan - increases serotonin but apparently only in the brain

>

> * 5HTP- increases serotonin possibly in the gut. I bought some this

> week and am experimenting with 5HTP during the day and 1 tryptophan at

> night

>

> * Herbal laxatives like senna leaf and cascara sagrada may increase

> serotonin in the colon cells. Using mild amounts like in smooth move tea

> or Dr. Schult's baby constipation formula might be helpful. I'm aobut to

> retry this with the 5HTP.

>

> * Bulking agents like fiber....be very careful with this approach as

> the problem may not be lack of fiber/water but lack of gut motility

> signaling. The fiber can make it all worse as the colon muscles can't

> move it forward.

>

> * Protien can disrupt the balance with tryptophan so this might be

> making things worse also. See Deflice's article on this:

> http://www.enzymestuff.com/serotonin.htm These 'side-effects' of a

> high-protein diet occur for the same reasons given here: high-protein

> diets decrease serotonin levels and anxiety, hyperness, or jitters can

> result.

>

> * Colostrum appears to help increase motilin so i'll also try adding

> that into my supplement mix.

> One more thing...gut damage from gluten, dairy, parasites or whatever

> will cut down on seretonin release.

>

> Lynn

>

>

>

>

>

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> the Iodine loading protocol and I assume you are now taking none.

We have

> another poster who does not take magnesium complaining about blood

sugar. Am I

> seeing a pattern?

----->Yes I take between 250-600mgs of magnesium daily and use nigari

in baths (mag. chloride). I've used various forms and doses of mag.

and it works great until I up my iodine doses to what I need to edeal

with fibrocystic breast disease.

btw...Too much Mag. can also cause problems. I can tell when i've had

too much as my muscles start to respond slowly.

As I've said before ...this doesn't appear to be a " constipation "

issue but more " gut motility slowdown " . Magnesium works by pulling

water into the colon. This helps the colon bulk to send a message to

the smooth muscle cells to start contracting. BUT if the message isn't

able to be heard because the receptors aren't working then NO AMOUNT

of mag or fiber will do diddley.

I'm guessing that's why magnesium, vit C, fiber, water, laxatives

don't do anything for this problem. The level of magnesium we need to

get move things then give completely loose bowels because way too much

water has been pulled in. Not the solution!

Lynn

[Guest guest]

You say:

" BUT if the message isn't able to be heard because the receptors aren't working

then NO AMOUNT of mag or fiber will do diddley. "

which contradicts:

" The level of magnesium we need to get move things then give completely loose

bowels because way too much water has been pulled in. "

Having loose bowels with mag supplementing is a common occurrence in those that

have not built the tolerance, it in no way indicates anything other than the

body discarding the magnesium that has not been absorbed. That's how the body

regulates it's magnesium intake; via GI tract.

It is very, very difficult to get too much magnesium orally. It is not stored.

You would have to be taking it hourly like those who get hypomagnesia from

anti-acids. Even then the antidote is a couple calcium pills.

> ----->Yes I take between 250-600mgs of magnesium daily and use nigari

> in baths (mag. chloride). I've used various forms and doses of mag.

> and it works great until I up my iodine doses to what I need to edeal

> with fibrocystic breast disease.

>

> btw...Too much Mag. can also cause problems. I can tell when i've had

> too much as my muscles start to respond slowly.

>

> As I've said before ...this doesn't appear to be a " constipation "

> issue but more " gut motility slowdown " . Magnesium works by pulling

> water into the colon. This helps the colon bulk to send a message to

> the smooth muscle cells to start contracting. BUT if the message isn't

> able to be heard because the receptors aren't working then NO AMOUNT

> of mag or fiber will do diddley.

>

> I'm guessing that's why magnesium, vit C, fiber, water, laxatives

> don't do anything for this problem. The level of magnesium we need to

> get move things then give completely loose bowels because way too much

> water has been pulled in. Not the solution!

>

> Lynn

>

>

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>. Magnesium is an

Integral part of

the Iodine loading protocol and I assume you are now taking none

I’ve got Brownstein’s book and I don’t see any

specific amounts for dosing of vitamins, minerals.

I get tight muscles when I take mag supplements. I eat

magnesium rich foods, but I do suspect that I eat more calcium rich foods in

general.

Because I’ve found that minerals are sort of

problematic and easy to get out of balance with, everytime I take Iodine I also

take a squirt of “liquimins” a trace mineral concentrate that

contains small amounts of all the minerals, and I take kelp, which also

contains trace amounts of all the minerals... But obviously this isn’t

fixing my problem, so maybe its not enough. (I am taking vit C…)

Perhaps I should experiment with miniature mag doses whenever

dosing Iodine…

Thanks

>Brownstein

says “If one is found to be iodine deficient, it is best to correct

>other nutrient

imbalances before instituting iodine supplementation. Proper

<dosing of

magnesium, Vitamin C and minerals will maximize the response to

>iodine. "

>Abraham says

" For best results, orthoiodosupplementation should be part of a

>complete

nutritional program, emphasizing magnesium instead of calcium. "

[Guest guest]

> As I've said before ...this doesn't appear to be a " constipation "

> issue but more " gut motility slowdown " . Magnesium works by pulling

> water into the colon. This helps the colon bulk to send a message to

> the smooth muscle cells to start contracting. BUT if the message isn't

> able to be heard because the receptors aren't working then NO AMOUNT

> of mag or fiber will do diddley.

>

> I'm guessing that's why magnesium, vit C, fiber, water, laxatives

> don't do anything for this problem. The level of magnesium we need to

> get move things then give completely loose bowels because way too much

> water has been pulled in. Not the solution!

>

> Lynn

Calcium supps help with intestinal motility, something to do

with nitric oxide.

Don't confuse this with relatively high calcium foods such

as cheeses, which some people find " binding " (transit slowing).

Carol

willis_protocols

my article archive in Files, not a discussion group.

[Guest guest]

> Calcium supps help with intestinal motility, something to do

> with nitric oxide.

>

> Don't confuse this with relatively high calcium foods such

> as cheeses, which some people find " binding " (transit slowing).

Correction - I should have said

calcium -> histamine -> nitric oxide.

And if high iodine inhibits histamine, maybe there is a clue

for some ppl as well.

Carol

> Carol

> willis_protocols

> my article archive in Files, not a discussion group.

>

[Guest guest]

> Correction - I should have said

> calcium -> histamine -> nitric oxide.

>

> And if high iodine inhibits histamine, maybe there is a clue

> for some ppl as well.

-----> hmmm this is interesting....why would it not happen to everyone

though? I don't know much about histamine ---> nitric oxide. Do you

have more information?

Thanks

Lynn

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Ok, so now it is becoming clearer that you have other problems with magnesium

than just constipation. You did say that some days you are taking as little as

250 mg, which is not even the RDA. Diarrhea, fatigue happens at not much more

than RDA with you and no way could you take anywhere near the Brownstein

recommended amount of up to 1200 mg daily, right? Your mother also has this

problem I believe you said.

Also, you say magnesium causes symptoms that last days but since mag is

transient it just doesn't hang around that long. Magnesium dosing will however

expose potassium deficiency issues which cause all of the symptoms you describe

-- muscle weakness, fatigue, heart problems, chronic diarrhea and your calcium

status will affect magnesium utilization, etc...there are many variables.

Perhaps you have a simple electrolyte imbalance like this. You would probably

have an accompanying dehydration problem too. I would strongly suggest you get

a RBC analysis and see exactly what your mineral status is instead of just

guessing. I believe that magnesium is the key to your constipation.

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--- Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote:

> ->

> > It is very, very difficult to get too much magnesium orally. It is

> not stored.

> > You would have to be taking it hourly like those who get

> hypomagnesia from

> > anti-acids. Even then the antidote is a couple calcium pills.

> >

> -----> Well I would disagree with the impossible part. I certainly

> have gotten too much magnesium orally and feel terrible the next

> day...very draggy and lethargic. I also get wierd heart beats ...mag

> baths give me the worst ones but too much oral will do it too.

>

> I do not go much over 600mgs or it's too much.

>

> Lynn

>

>

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FWIW, I too get strong signs that tell me when cal or mag is out of balance.

Too much/little of one or the other gives me signs within hours. Just in

the last month with my highest dose of Armour so far, I could no longer

ignore the signs that I needed to increase my mag. The normal 2:1 ratio

that I used to take is now bumped up to 2:1.5 ratio. I too take the liquimins

also. I don't know what this means, but it works, I sleep a bit better too.

All this may be not be relevant as I am not taking iodine right now.

Amy

Cyr wrote:

I get tight muscles

when I take mag supplements. I eat magnesium rich foods, but I do suspect

that I eat more calcium rich foods in general.

Because I’ve found

that minerals are sort of problematic and easy to get out of balance with,

everytime I take Iodine I also take a squirt of “liquimins” a trace mineral

concentrate that contains small amounts of all the minerals, and I take kelp,

which also contains trace amounts of all the minerals... But obviously this

isn’t fixing my problem, so maybe its not enough. (I am taking vit C…)

Perhaps I should

experiment with miniature mag doses whenever dosing Iodine…

Thanks

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I haven't read all the posts yet, I am swamped here, but I wonder if you need more Bs? I seem to need 100mg Bs plus folic acid 8oomcg (but at one time took several mgs). I briefly read what Skipper posted negative to high B6 but it really helped me. Isn't it B6, B12, folic acid that treats high homocysteine levels?

Gracia

I've found a bit more out on this but still don't have answers on what to do other than cut down on the iodine temporarily. Anyhow here's the short version of where I'm at presently.On the radio program I posted earlier Dr. Flechas talks about how iodine will sensitized all the hormone receptors in the body not just the ones for sex hormones. So again I'm assuming this is a receptor problem some of us are experiencing. I suspect we have a shortage of either the enzymes needed to convert or an actual blockage going on. Possibly the blockage is bromide.btw...neither increasing vit C, water nor salt has helped me. The list of players among which I suspect could be going haywire:Seretonin - involved with peristalisis ...too much and you get loose stools, too little and nothing. IBS people seem to show high levels then the high seretonin overstimulates the colon cells and they get shut own . Constipation happensAcetylcholine - sends the message to the gut cells ot produce seretonin. Bromide drugs work on these by blocking the acetylcholine from releasing. These drugs are used with IBS patients to stop the gut spasms that are so painful to them.Motilin - hormone released by the gut that starts peristalisis. Some antibiotics stimulate the release of motilin which is why they can give loose bowels. Cholesystokinin - don't know if it has a role in this...it's secreted by the pancrease to tell bile to be released. Carbohydrates appear to increase this as well as whey.Progesterone or Estrogen Iodine plays a key role with both of these but exactly what isn't understood. Too much progesterone slows dwn the gut and estrogen seems to be related to neurotransmitter releases.So what might help....

Tryptophan - increases serotonin but apparently only in the brain

5HTP- increases serotonin possibly in the gut. I bought some this week and am experimenting with 5HTP during the day and 1 tryptophan at night

Herbal laxatives like senna leaf and cascara sagrada may increase serotonin in the colon cells. Using mild amounts like in smooth move tea or Dr. Schult's baby constipation formula might be helpful. I'm aobut to retry this with the 5HTP.

Bulking agents like fiber....be very careful with this approach as the problem may not be lack of fiber/water but lack of gut motility signaling. The fiber can make it all worse as the colon muscles can't move it forward

Protien can disrupt the balance with tryptophan so this might be making things worse also. See Deflice's article on this: http://www.enzymestuff.com/serotonin.htm These 'side-effects' of a high-protein diet occur for the same reasons given here: high-protein diets decrease serotonin levels and anxiety, hyperness, or jitters can result.

Colostrum appears to help increase motilin so i'll also try adding that into my supplement mix.One more thing...gut damage from gluten, dairy, parasites or whatever will cut down on seretonin release. Lynn

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>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> I briefly read what Skipper posted negative to high B6 but it really

>helped me. Isn't it B6, B12, folic acid that treats high homocysteine

>levels?

What I posted said that excessive B6 will immediately cause tryptophan to

turn into niacin in the blood stream, thus it's not available to make

serotonin and melatonin.

After noticing that my wife and son have labs that show high levels of B6,

it makes sense why they always need to take melatonin before bed in order to

sleep. I suspect that means it likely their serotonin is low too.

Skipper

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No mention has been made here about the role of adrenaline in gut motility?

It is the body's major smooth muscle kinetic hormone. It plays a big role in

peristalsis. (smooth muscles being the ones that we have no control over)

So weak adrenal function could very well be involved.

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Iodine helped my insomnia (which, I believe, was due to adrenal weakness) where NOTHING else did. But, the iodine appears to have slowed down my colon transit time. Before supplementing with Lugol's, I had a faster-than-normal colon transit time. I never connected this fast transit time to my adrenaline over-production. So, maybe there is a connection between iodine and adrenaline production... slowing it down. Aprilcupcake@... wrote: No mention has been made

here about the role of adrenaline in gut motility? It is the body's major smooth muscle kinetic hormone. It plays a big role in peristalsis. (smooth muscles being the ones that we have no control over) So weak adrenal function could very well be involved.

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> Iodine helped my insomnia (which, I believe, was due to adrenal

weakness) where NOTHING else did. But, the iodine appears to have

slowed down my colon transit time. Before supplementing with

Lugol's, I had a faster-than-normal colon transit time. I never

connected this fast transit time to my adrenaline over-production.

>

> So, maybe there is a connection between iodine and adrenaline

production... slowing it down.

-------> I know someone else this happened to. Too much adrenaline

firing at the wrong times and fast transit time. Again I think it's

got to do with gut neurotransmitter receptors.

Lynn