Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 I thought a lot of health probs were thyroid/adrenal/hormonal and now I would say iodine related! the list owner seemed very irritable to me. I liked the forum and thought I had the same objectives. I was surprised when he banned me LOL. Gracia Seriously Gracia, why? Linn On Sep 17, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Gracia wrote: I think I was thrown off of this forum The head guy didn't like me. gracia Below from Alternative Medicine Forum. I know people who curedurinary ifections with cranberry juice. Not the sweet stugff butcranberry juice with no sugar, grape juice or other sweeners. Theygenerally drak a full glass of juice many times a day for a week orlonger.Alobar No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 >From: Cindi <cindi22595@...> >i know...but i'm not sure all the varied damage is due to flouride....still >researching how it damages cartilage...and affects enzyme pathways in the >liver. can't believe folks are being given these drugs for sinus >infections. > cindi I'm not sure why you would research that unless they've done damage to you. Anyway, I took one dose of Cipro and felt a lot like my thyroid had crashed. In 2001, at precisely the same time as they were talking about anthrax on the East Coast, I had a severe cutaneous infection that had symptoms exactly like anthrax. (However, everyone knows it affected only a dozen people in the East, and I'm in Michigan.) Anyway, my wife told me not to read the side effects first, and I listened to her. She thought they might influence my opinion of the drug, as if I were a hypochondriac, and as if she didn't always have side effects and allergic reactions to every drug she ever took. I only took Cipro for 3 days, in the middle of six weeks of Augmentin. It did bring the swelling in my arm down considerably, which Augmentin had failed to do, it was powerful. But, when I did look up the side effects and it talked about " pressure on the brain " I understood why I felt that way. Would have understood sooner, but I'd been hit in the nose and assumed that caused the pressure I was feeling. The thyroid crash it causes is messing with it in the liver, as this explains - http://www.westonaprice.org/healthissues/cipro.html Just like Baycol and other fluorinated drugs, ciprofloxacin is a potent inhibitor of the thyroid hormone-regulated P 450 enzyme system in the liver. Of all fluoroquinolones, ciprofloxacin and enoxacin have shown the greatest inhibitory capacity.4 P450 IA2 prevents the metabolism and inactivation of methylxanthines, thereby causing increased serum concentrations of drugs like theophylline (found in tea) and caffeine (found in coffee and soft drinks), which in turn causes excess central nervous system and cardiac stimulation. As mentioned above, Cipro also elevates serum fluoride levels. The liver has been identified as a target organ of fluoroquinolone toxicity in animal studies.23 As early as the 1930s, scientists at Bayer and Knoll had discovered that all organic fluoride compounds tested (including those used for fluoroquinolone production) interfered with thyroid hormone activity in liver and muscle tissue. Meanwhile, they also showed " anti-bacterial " activity. This led to the development of many fluorinated medications, including the numerous compounds then used very successfully in the treatment of hyperthyroidism.24,25 A Dr. Kraft of the Knoll corporation invented many fluorinated " medications. " When it was discovered that some of these organic compounds had the same detrimental effects on teeth and bone as inorganic fluoride (although much less actual F ion was involved) he even filed patents on behalf of Knoll for use of these compounds in dental preparations.26,27 *********************** Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2 & cp=42.336065~-109.392273 & style=r & lvl=4 & sc\ ene=3712634 & trfc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 yes, i do have some damage from Levaquin. I had an immediate allergic reaction plus other side effects. Then 3 weeks later, started with the ankle pain and have had other assorted ADRs, to include weight loss and ankle/foot/shoulder pain. Most disconcerting was finding that my thyroid meds didn't seem to be working as they had been working for over 2 years and all sorts of hypo symptoms started returning. That has gotten better, but I have found on the " quinolones " forum that many hypo folks were affected this way (due to what you explained in your post)...and many also got diagnosed with Hashi's after taking a quinolone. So I'm very leery of this class of drugs...and don't think any Hashi's/autoimmune person should ever take them. cindi > > > I'm not sure why you would research that unless they've done damage to you. > Anyway, I took one dose of Cipro and felt a lot like my thyroid had crashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 >From: " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...> >I'm very leery of this class of drugs...and don't think any >Hashi's/autoimmune person should ever take them. >cindi Actually, I don't believe anyone should take them unless the alternative is death. As for weight loss, I'm not sure why that would be caused. On rare occassions, hypthyroidism does cause some people to lose weight (I think because they're constipated and can't force down much food) but more commonly is weight loss caused by low adrenals or 's Disease. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.liv\ e.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 I totally agree...they are drugs of last resort. I'm not sure about the weight loss either...but am considering adrenal because there is some talk on the quinolones forum about adrenal effects of the drugs...however those who have mentioned the weight loss there, do apparently gain it back after some months...so maybe it's a temporary cycling ADR which appears to be somewhat common with the folks..the cycling that is. I also seem to have loss of appetite which of course doesn't help the weight loss, but also isn't bad enough to be the cause of it. I do know my own problem with my right shoulder...clicking (tendon) lasted for about 3 months, and then just stopped. Don't know if that's good or bad. :-( the shoulder does seem weaker now. tendon damage maybe. cindi > > > >cindi > > Actually, I don't believe anyone should take them unless the alternative is > death. > > As for weight loss, I'm not sure why that would be caused. On rare > occassions, hypthyroidism does cause some people to lose weight (I think > because they're constipated and can't force down much food) but more > commonly is weight loss caused by low adrenals or 's Disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 I use GSE a lot for my dogs ear infections. From what I have read there is not a danger with GSE but there was a study that claims it is not the GSE that works but a preservative they use in it that is what is so effective. Don’t know if anything else will be done to dispute this claim so we will know this is true or not. Allyn From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Doey Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:52 AM iodine Subject: Re: UTI- help, please I used to have a chronic UTI, to include kidney infection. The Urologist wanted to put me on an antibiotic permanently. I thought that would not be best as overdoing antibiotics can cause problems. I have gotten rid of my UTIs by drinking a glass of lemonade every morning. I also drink ginger tea in the day and never get colds either. I don't know which one helps me the most but I intend to keep doing both as it is working. I have read there are dangers to grapefruit seed extract so I don't try that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Hmmm, I was unaware of that. I tried a search, but came up with nothing. If you have a linkI would love to read anything you may have found.Thanks,. JackieI have read there are dangers to grapefruit seedextract so I don't try that. www.myspace.com/jordanreimermusic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Skipper, You are right about those ubiquilonones (sp>). The doc wanted to rpescribe those and I said do you mind if I research. He said, [sigh] "Go ahead" 15minutes I told what i needed and what dose. And why. He concurred that Cipro might be overkill. It's for Anthrax. uh, yeah. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 > 15minutes I told what i needed and what dose. And why. He concurred that Cipro might be overkill. It's for Anthrax. > > > uh, yeah. > > Jane Cipro is commonly given for UTI, but it's very rough on the system IMO. The whole quinolone family of antibiotics is rough and some claim to have been permanently harmed by them. Sometimes though there are tradeoffs and you take your chances. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Hi, Jane, The last UTI I had I treated with Nature's Way Goldenseal Root (has to be the root, NOT the herbs which is leaves and flowers)...I took 4 capsules 4 times per day for 10 days, just as though you are taking an antibiotic. It works really fast, though...you should notice a big difference within 24 hours, sometimes even faster. At 10 days, then go to your doctor and run another urine test to be sure all the bacteria is gone. Mine was all gone. Cool! Sunny 5a. UTI- help, please Posted by: " Jane Rowland " classicalwriter@... onekidmomus Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:15 pm (PST) Hello all, As some of you know, I'm in a struggle with this stupid leukemia. Well, Out of nowhere (as thesethings happen) I have a urinary tract infection. Havne't had one of those since 1983! All I know is I started Fulvic Acid liquid minerals - called Master Detox - three days ago and hello, falling apart. Though i felt great the first two days. I kind of overdrank the stuff I guess. Anyone aware of a connection? Well, I'd like to help my body cure this thing without antibiotics. Im just unfamiliar with this ailment. I have cranberry juice, pure, but no idea how much to drink. I've started using those AZO yellow tabs and they work amazingly well for symptoms. But I want a cure. Can anyone help me with serious nutritional support accompanied by an explanantion of *why* a particular thing works if you know. Im kind of suffering here and am in no position to be ill. How long should I give it to get better, or what signs should send me to the doc? I hold no one responsible for sharing their nutritional opinions as medical advice. I appreciate your help. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Actually, Bactrim is the antibiotic of choice for urinary tract infections by leading urologists. mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Cipro is commonly given for UTI, but it's very rough on the systemIMO. The whole quinolone family of antibiotics is rough andsome claim to have been permanently harmed by them. Sometimesthough there are tradeoffs and you take your chances.Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 >From: " cbwillis9 " <cbwillis9@...> >Cipro is commonly given for UTI, but it's very rough on the system >IMO. The whole quinolone family of antibiotics is rough and >some claim to have been permanently harmed by them. Sometimes >though there are tradeoffs and you take your chances. A good trade off would be if there's no other antibiotic for the particular problem, and you'll die if you don't take it, then by all means take Cipro. Otherwise please take another class of drugs, or you could be permanently damage. Cirpro causes fluoride poisoning. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2 & cp=42.336065~-109.392273 & style=r & lvl=4 & sc\ ene=3712634 & trfc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 >From: " Jane Rowland " <classicalwriter@...> >Skipper, >You are right about those ubiquilonones (sp>). The doc wanted to rpescribe >those and I said do you mind if I research. He said, [sigh] " Go ahead " > >15minutes I told what i needed and what dose. And why. He concurred that >Cipro might be overkill. It's for Anthrax. For anthrax, Doxycycline would have been better because it had far fewer side effects. There's always a reason for things. Why did they suddenly start talking about Cipro for anthrax? Who wanted them to make money? Just like the government is intent on spending 2 billion on Tamiflu, a drug that according to its own literature makes you better 1.3 days sooner. Rumsfeld is a major shareholder in Gilead, the company that actually owns the patent on Tamiflu. Imagine that, a Bush buddy is getting richer from a drug he can sell to the government. At least, he has disclosed the ownership. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather & FORM=WLMTAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 I'm on Bactrim right now for a staph infection. I don't like the side effects one single bit and have been very uncomfortable taking them. I've had upset stomach, nausea, diarrhea, shortness of breath and tightness in my chest. It's not fun being on this CRAP!! Re: UTI- help, please Actually, Bactrim is the antibiotic of choice for urinary tract infections by leading urologists. mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Cipro is commonly given for UTI, but it's very rough on the systemIMO. The whole quinolone family of antibiotics is rough andsome claim to have been permanently harmed by them. Sometimesthough there are tradeoffs and you take your chances.Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 When I had a urinary track infection, my dr asked if I wanted an antibiotic or to use cranberry capsules. I would never take antibiotics and the cranberry capsules worked perfectly without any horrid side effects. I think I took 3 capsules 4x per day for a week and then dropped down to 1 3x per day. I used the Standard Process brand. Sue > > Actually, Bactrim is the antibiotic of choice for urinary tract infections > by leading urologists. > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/) > > Cipro is commonly given for UTI, but it's very rough on the system > IMO. The whole quinolone family of antibiotics is rough and > some claim to have been permanently harmed by them. Sometimes > though there are tradeoffs and you take your chances. > > Carol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 I wonder if you can take some oil of oregano for that? I mix 2-5 drops in 2 ozs of warm water and sip it thru a straw. It's potent! It'll knock out tons of germs. Sue > > I'm on Bactrim right now for a staph infection. I don't like the side effects one single bit and have been very uncomfortable taking them. I've had upset stomach, nausea, diarrhea, shortness of breath and tightness in my chest. It's not fun being on this CRAP!! > > > Re: UTI- help, please > > > > Actually, Bactrim is the antibiotic of choice for urinary tract infections by leading urologists. > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > > Cipro is commonly given for UTI, but it's very rough on the system > IMO. The whole quinolone family of antibiotics is rough and > some claim to have been permanently harmed by them. Sometimes > though there are tradeoffs and you take your chances. > > Carol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 >>Jane you are on 50mg Iodoral?Gracia No, Im on no iodine at all. Why? Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 >>I've always taken Bactrim for my UTI's, and it has always worked for me,with no side-effects. Good luck, UTI's suck.Best,Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com>> Thanks for that encouraging word. Do you do the 3 day course? Now that Ive discovered D-Mannose, I don't know if I should take the final three pills or skip them. Im so torn. I hate pills. You all should *definitely* look at D- Mannose sites. They guarantee it will work and say many doctors even suggest before resorting to anitbiotics (if the infection is not E. Coli, which it 90% is). Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 b/c iodine might help with UTI and I thought you were interested in iodine to affect your cancer? gracia >>Jane you are on 50mg Iodoral?Gracia No, Im on no iodine at all. Why? Jane No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 The D-Mannose is also good stuff. My dr offered that to me, too. Sue -> Thanks for that encouraging word. Do you do the 3 day course? Now that Ive discovered D-Mannose, I don't know if I should take the final three pills or skip them. Im so torn. I hate pills. > > You all should *definitely* look at D- Mannose sites. They guarantee it will work and say many doctors even suggest before resorting to anitbiotics (if the infection is not E. Coli, which it 90% is). > > Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Did I read this wrong? They gaurantee it will work if it is NOT e-coli, but 90% of the time it is e-coli? So that means d-mannose will only work 8 times out of 100? I've been taking cranberry prophylactically for years, and now I'm also using homeopathic Cantharis when I feel one coming on. I have only done the 3 day course once, that's how long its been since I had one, as that is a newer protocol, I always took 10 days, I think, years ago. Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~ Thanks for that encouraging word. Do you do the 3 day course? Now that Ive discovered D-Mannose, I don't know if I should take the final three pills or skip them. Im so torn. I hate pills. You all should *definitely* look at D- Mannose sites. They guarantee it will work and say many doctors even suggest before resorting to anitbiotics (if the infection is not E. Coli, which it 90% is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Does anyone have a particular brand of D-Mannose that they would recommend? LaraOn 9/19/06, mylilsuzyqs < mylilsuzyqs@...> wrote: The D-Mannose is also good stuff. My dr offered that to me, too. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 >>>I'm on Bactrim right now for a staph infection. I don't like the side effects one single bit and have been very uncomfortable taking them. I've had upset stomach, nausea, diarrhea, shortness of breath and tightness in my chest. It's not fun being on this CRAP!!>>>> I hear ya, sister. I have one Bactrim left (took 5) and I threw it away. It doesn't seem to be curing this UTI anyway. I don't know what the deal is. But I know I woke up with a coated tongue(!) for the first time in a year. Gag. And have headches for the first time in 18 months. I'll stick with the D Mannose for a week and see what happens. jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Jane, I think we'd both better get on a heavy duty dose of probiotics after this. I just started mine today. That coated tongue means the candida monsters have come to reside within your body. I've got the same thing. Take as many per day as you can afford to buy at the health food store. If you can afford a whole bottle of capsules per day, then that's what you should take. Re: UTI- help, please >>>I'm on Bactrim right now for a staph infection. I don't like the side effects one single bit and have been very uncomfortable taking them. I've had upset stomach, nausea, diarrhea, shortness of breath and tightness in my chest. It's not fun being on this CRAP!!>>>> I hear ya, sister. I have one Bactrim left (took 5) and I threw it away. It doesn't seem to be curing this UTI anyway. I don't know what the deal is. But I know I woke up with a coated tongue(!) for the first time in a year. Gag. And have headches for the first time in 18 months. I'll stick with the D Mannose for a week and see what happens. jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 >From: " Gikas " <skg59@...> >Reply-iodine >Jane, > >I think we'd both better get on a heavy duty dose of probiotics after this. > I just started mine today. That coated tongue means the candida monsters >have come to reside within your body. I've got the same thing. > >Take as many per day as you can afford to buy at the health food store. If >you can afford a whole bottle of capsules per day, then that's what you >should take. Old home remedy for yeast infection was 6 drops of Lugol's Solution 4 times a day. You can find that on Hulda 's site. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.win\ dowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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