Re: Re: Mitral Valve Prolapse - magnesium deficiency

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, I was taking a whole food based mineral supplement with magnesium in it.  I ran out of that and am waiting for a new supply so picked up some magnesium oxide from the drugstore today that is 400 mg,  There is also some magnesium in the new vitamin pack that my chiro got for me so between the two I think it's about 800 mgs.  Is there a particular kind that you recommend?LinnOn Jun 22, 2006, at 9:39 AM, wrote:Linn, Thyroid disorders cause magnesium wasting. I wonder what type of magnesiumyou are supplementing since it is very hard to absorb.. 

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Magnesium is very hard to absorb... I've read that oxide is 20-40% absorbable

that means that the 60% needs to be eliminated usually in the form of diarrhea

if you take too much. I tried every type of mag available when I found it

helped my heart condition... the longer the symptoms were kept at bay the more

absorbable the magnesium.

I found that magnesium glycinate capsules were the most absorbable. I took

them throughout the day when my heart began to act up...which I now know

usually means I am going hypo and need more hormone. I also take them just in

stressful situations since it helps to buffer adrenaline and replenish the mag

loss stress brings. The other product I take (and some others on here) before

bed is called `Natural Calm'. It is only Magnesium Citrate with bit of

flavoring (raspberry is best). Boiling water is poured on this white powder

and it fizzes and turns clear. I have tried to do this with plain magnesium

citrate powder but it just doesn't work. It stays white and doesn't absorb as

well. So I keep buying the `Natural Calm' from Vitamin Shoppe... there is a

knock off version of it there that doesn't seem to work as well.

I just returned from Paris... the pharmacies are stocked with many different

types of magnesium preparations - fizzy drinks, gels, powders. There is even a

mineral water sold at markets called Hepar that is loaded with magnesium.

Magnesium is as popular there as Vitamin C is here. The 20 something cashier

sold me a couple of magnesium products he takes. I asked him why he takes it

and he said `stress'. I explained to him that virtually no one in the US is

aware of the benefits of magnesium.... he was very surprised.

BTW, It is either Abrahams or Brownstein that recommends you be on 1200mg of

mag during iodine loading.

--- Linn <linnmiller@...> wrote:

> ,

> I was taking a whole food based mineral supplement with magnesium in

> it. I ran out of that and am waiting for a new supply so picked up

> some magnesium oxide from the drugstore today that is 400 mg, There

> is also some magnesium in the new vitamin pack that my chiro got for

> me so between the two I think it's about 800 mgs. Is there a

> particular kind that you recommend?

>

> Linn

> On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:39 AM, wrote:

>

> > Linn,

> >

> > Thyroid disorders cause magnesium wasting. I wonder what type of

> > magnesium

> > you are supplementing since it is very hard to absorb.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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--- <kennio@...> wrote:

> BTW, It is either Abrahams or Brownstein that

> recommends you be on 1200mg of

> mag during iodine loading.

I have read a number of your messages, , and must

say I am impressed by the way you describe an apparent

sensitivity to your body. You seem to be able to

detect subtle shifts, etc. Great!

I am working toward this. Today, my first day of

Iodoral and with only a tiny bit, within about 1/2 an

hour I felt very slight grasping on the right side of

my thyroid. It was not pain. I can only describe it

as grasping.

I have felt well all day, energy very good. Whenever

I try anything, though, I generally have no reaction

on the first day, so we'll see.

I am taking magnesium, btw.

Abbe

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, Thanks for all the info.  I guess I should stick with the whole food supplement instead of the new one I bought.  My magnesium level was good when I had it checked last.  I will try some of the Natural Calm also and see how that does.Linn On Jun 23, 2006, at 11:40 AM, wrote:Magnesium is very hard to absorb... I've read that oxide is 20-40% absorbablethat means that the 60% needs to be eliminated usually in the form of diarrheaif you take too much. I tried every type of mag available when I found ithelped my heart condition... the longer the symptoms were kept at bay the moreabsorbable the magnesium. . 

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If you had serum magnesium levels checked the results are worthless. It is

like counting your pocket change to determine your net worth. You need to check

your bank account for that. That would be a RBC analysis. It checks the

mineral content of the Red Blood Cells.

When I read that you had a very stressful situation just before the MVP

reoccurred... that is just a classic mag loss situation. Some sources say that

once depleted in magnesium that it is difficult to absorb orally. This is

because of the resulting loss of zinc and B6. I went in for 3 mag IV's at the

height of my heart problems. 2500mg once a week for 3 weeks.

The following study shows that during hypothyroidism that the red cells

(erythrocyte) disgorge their magnesium into the blood (plasma). So serum

levels might show loads of magnesium but in-actuality you could be so low in

magnesium your heart could stop.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9\

494058 & dopt=Abstract

I think the whole food supplement is fine once your levels are up, but I would

get some glycinate, quick. Try it during your arrhythmia instead of a beta

blocker.... it will work very quicky. You can't OD on magnesium.

You might want to try this little magnesium deficiency test also

http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

--- Linn <linnmiller@...> wrote:

> ,

> Thanks for all the info. I guess I should stick with the whole food

> supplement instead of the new one I bought. My magnesium level was

> good when I had it checked last. I will try some of the Natural Calm

> also and see how that does.

>

> Linn

> On Jun 23, 2006, at 11:40 AM, wrote:

>

> > Magnesium is very hard to absorb... I've read that oxide is 20-40%

> > absorbable

> > that means that the 60% needs to be eliminated usually in the form

> > of diarrhea

> > if you take too much. I tried every type of mag available when I

> > found it

> > helped my heart condition... the longer the symptoms were kept at

> > bay the more

> > absorbable the magnesium.

> > .

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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The test wasn't a regular serum test.  It's a test done on the WBC's that takes about 2 weeks to complete.  I don't have it handy right now, for the name of it.  I don't take any kind of blood pressure meds.  I'll see if I can pick up some of the glycinate this weekend.  Gee can I give the other mag stuff to the dog? (-:  He takes almost as many supplements as I do.  Off to check out the mag test.  Thanks so much.Linn  On Jun 23, 2006, at 11:59 PM, wrote:If you had serum magnesium levels checked the results are worthless. It islike counting your pocket change to determine your net worth. You need to checkyour bank account for that. That would be a RBC analysis. It checks themineral content of the Red Blood Cells.When I read that you had a very stressful situation just before the MVPreoccurred... that is just a classic mag loss situation. Some sources say thatonce depleted in magnesium that it is difficult to absorb orally. This isbecause of the resulting loss of zinc and B6. I went in for 3 mag IV's at theheight of my heart problems. 2500mg once a week for 3 weeks.The following study shows that during hypothyroidism that the red cells(erythrocyte) disgorge their magnesium into the blood (plasma). So serumlevels might show loads of magnesium but in-actuality you could be so low inmagnesium your heart could stop.MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" claiming to be http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9494058 & dopt=AbstractI think the whole food supplement is fine once your levels are up, but I wouldget some glycinate, quick. Try it during your arrhythmia instead of a betablocker.... it will work very quicky. You can't OD on magnesium.You might want to try this little magnesium deficiency test alsoMailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.thewayup.com" claiming to be http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm--- Linn <linnmillerentouchonline (DOT) net> wrote:> ,> Thanks for all the info. I guess I should stick with the whole food > supplement instead of the new one I bought. My magnesium level was > good when I had it checked last. I will try some of the Natural Calm > also and see how that does.> > Linn> On Jun 23, 2006, at 11:40 AM, wrote:> > > Magnesium is very hard to absorb... I've read that oxide is 20-40% > > absorbable> > that means that the 60% needs to be eliminated usually in the form > > of diarrhea> > if you take too much. I tried every type of mag available when I > > found it> > helped my heart condition... the longer the symptoms were kept at > > bay the more> > absorbable the magnesium.> > .> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________

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Thanks, , for this excellent link on magnesium. I've added it to our links.

I found it interesting that they say that high dose Mg antagonizes the thyroid, so high dose Mg would be good for treating hyperthyroid conditions and should be avoided with low thyroid function.

It is also interesting that radiation causes large losses of Mg and that Mg has a radiation protective action.

Magnificent Magnesium Self-Test for Magnesium deficiency. Excellent discussions of factors that lead to magnesium deficiency and what magnesium does in the body. "High stress contributes to Mg deficiency which exacerbates anxiety, fear weakness & physical complaints, leading to more stress & a vicious cycle. The decreased oxygen in the tissues related to stress , tissue injury, & an acid condition cause Mg to move out of the cells into the blood plasma leading to intracellular deficiency....Those with diabetes, chronic gastrointestinal disorders, an overactive thyroid or parathyroid gland, or in the last 6 months of pregnancy are particularly prone to low Mg. Radiation causes large losses of Mg & Mg has a radiation protective action. Since high dose Mg antagonizes thyroid, I use high doses as part of my natural for hyperthyroidism & avoid high doses when there is a problem with low thyroid function." http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

Zoe

http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

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>From: <kennio@...>

>When I read that you had a very stressful situation just before the MVP

>reoccurred... that is just a classic mag loss situation. Some sources say

>that

>once depleted in magnesium that it is difficult to absorb orally. This is

>because of the resulting loss of zinc and B6. I went in for 3 mag IV's at

>the

>height of my heart problems. 2500mg once a week for 3 weeks.

I believe that's because there is a relationship between cortisol and

magnesium. High cortisol pushes out magnesium.

There are sites that say that hgh cortisol causes low magnesium and low

cortisol tends to cause high magnesium states.

I have an interest in that because my wife has high cortisol, and I have low

cortisol. As the web sites said with high cortisol, my wife had low

magnesium per blood testing, and I had high. (I think the range for

magnesium was 1.8 to 2.4. Her magnesium was 1.9 and mine was 2.3. So, the

blood tests were in the direction implied.) I had an Epsom Salts bath once,

and was fatigued and somewhat sick for a few days after. My wife now

supplements her magnesium, and it makes her feel much better.

I asked her cardiologist about the low magnesium, not a surprise he said

until it was way below normal it usually doesn't have any effect. (Doctors

seldom like supplements.)

>

>The following study shows that during hypothyroidism that the red cells

>(erythrocyte) disgorge their magnesium into the blood (plasma). So serum

>levels might show loads of magnesium but in-actuality you could be so low

>in

>magnesium your heart could stop.

>

>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=\

9494058 & dopt=Abstract

>

Which could be from the hypothyroidism alone, or due to the elevated

cortisol that frequently occurs in hypothyroidism. (I think high cortisol

is the norm, particularly in early stages as the adrenals try to compensate

for the low thyroid.)

>I think the whole food supplement is fine once your levels are up, but I

>would

>get some glycinate, quick. Try it during your arrhythmia instead of a beta

>blocker.... it will work very quicky. You can't OD on magnesium.

But, you can get too much. Symptoms of too much magnesium tend to be the

same as from too little.

http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

Yes magnesium toxicity is possible, but not common & more likely to be

associated with severe medical conditions such as liver or kidney failure.

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--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

You can't OD

> on magnesium.

>

> But, you can get too much. Symptoms of too much

> magnesium tend to be the

> same as from too little.

Months ago, I began taking high doses of magnesium in

connection with hypothyroidism/adrenal fatigue. I

became hyperthyroid and BP shot up. At the time the

only thing I could attribute this to was the

magnesium. I stopped and the symptoms went away. I

still take magnesium but much less.

Abbe

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" But, you can get too much. Symptoms of too much magnesium tend to be the same

as from too little. "

The only symptom of too much magnesium I am aware of or experienced is

diarrhea. Magnesium is very rapidly expelled from the body in feces and urine;

within an hour or two. The only hazard of too much mag I have ever read is a

rare situation called hypermagnesia that can occur when you use IV's or you

have advanced kidney disease. This is treated with calcium pills since calcium

competes with magnesium.

Were these Serum blood test you are referring to? I think you read my thoughts

on them. I really don't think a epsom salts bath could effect you for days.

Magnesium is transient and the amount of magnesium absorbed would have been

minimal. As I recall you have a strong reaction to iodine also don't you?

Fatigue? Sounds like maybe your cortisol gets really out of whack with any

mineral or element that changes the status quo.

NOW if you are talking about symptoms of a mineral imbalance caused by

magnesium supplementing in which the balance with calcium is not maintained

along with all the supporting minerals.... I wish I could get there! With this

thyroid disease my calcium is preserved and the magnesium is sacrificed as that

NIH study shows. All my blood tests back this up.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

>

> >When I read that you had a very stressful situation just before the MVP

> >reoccurred... that is just a classic mag loss situation. Some sources say

> >that

> >once depleted in magnesium that it is difficult to absorb orally. This is

> >because of the resulting loss of zinc and B6. I went in for 3 mag IV's at

> >the

> >height of my heart problems. 2500mg once a week for 3 weeks.

>

> I believe that's because there is a relationship between cortisol and

> magnesium. High cortisol pushes out magnesium.

>

> There are sites that say that hgh cortisol causes low magnesium and low

> cortisol tends to cause high magnesium states.

>

> I have an interest in that because my wife has high cortisol, and I have low

> cortisol. As the web sites said with high cortisol, my wife had low

> magnesium per blood testing, and I had high. (I think the range for

> magnesium was 1.8 to 2.4. Her magnesium was 1.9 and mine was 2.3. So, the

> blood tests were in the direction implied.) I had an Epsom Salts bath once,

> and was fatigued and somewhat sick for a few days after. My wife now

> supplements her magnesium, and it makes her feel much better.

>

> I asked her cardiologist about the low magnesium, not a surprise he said

> until it was way below normal it usually doesn't have any effect. (Doctors

> seldom like supplements.)

>

> >

> >The following study shows that during hypothyroidism that the red cells

> >(erythrocyte) disgorge their magnesium into the blood (plasma). So serum

> >levels might show loads of magnesium but in-actuality you could be so low

> >in

> >magnesium your heart could stop.

> >

>

>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=\

9494058 & dopt=Abstract

> >

>

> Which could be from the hypothyroidism alone, or due to the elevated

> cortisol that frequently occurs in hypothyroidism. (I think high cortisol

> is the norm, particularly in early stages as the adrenals try to compensate

> for the low thyroid.)

>

>

> >I think the whole food supplement is fine once your levels are up, but I

> >would

> >get some glycinate, quick. Try it during your arrhythmia instead of a beta

> >blocker.... it will work very quicky. You can't OD on magnesium.

>

> But, you can get too much. Symptoms of too much magnesium tend to be the

> same as from too little.

>

> http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

> Yes magnesium toxicity is possible, but not common & more likely to be

> associated with severe medical conditions such as liver or kidney failure.

> ****************************************

>

> Skipper

>

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I would check the database since I am not sure. I believe a few of us are

taking higher doses of selenium which neither doctor emphasizes. Other data

indicates it is very important while supplementing iodine to prevent thyroid

damage. I take 300mg of selenium.

--- orelindel <whatmattersmost@...> wrote:

> BTW, It is either Abrahams or Brownstein that recommends you be on

> 1200mg of mag during iodine loading.

>

> Hi ,

>

> I hope you don't mind, but I have a question. Do you know the

> quantities of the other supplements recommended during iodine loading?

> I have Dr. Brownstein's book. He's quite clear on Iodoral, but I don't

> know how much he or Abrahams recommends for the other supplements.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Orelindel

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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You know I have run across this claim about Mg antagonizing thyroid a few times

before. I even contacted a doctor who claims to use it for treating

hyperthyroid during my research. She told me `Oh course, if the person is low

in magnesium this would not effect the thyroid either way " .

Since the NIH study clearly shows magnesium wasting that occurs in the

hypothyroid, it is just something that doesn't make sense to me; withholding

mag from the hypothyroid. I do know that some doctors are confused by the high

SERUM mag results with the hypothyroid and end up using drugs to treat what is

essential a magnesium deficiency.

I do know I would be dead if I avoided high dose magnesium with my low thyroid

function. My heart was failing and I didn't know why. I am off my beta

blockers and tranquilizers I was prescribed. My 3 IV's of mag did not alter my

TSH at all.

--- Zoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote:

> Thanks, , for this excellent link on magnesium. I've added it to our

> links.

>

> I found it interesting that they say that high dose Mg antagonizes the

> thyroid, so high dose Mg would be good for treating hyperthyroid conditions

> and should be avoided with low thyroid function.

>

> It is also interesting that radiation causes large losses of Mg and that Mg

> has a radiation protective action.

>

> Magnificent Magnesium

> Self-Test for Magnesium deficiency. Excellent discussions of factors that

> lead to magnesium deficiency and what magnesium does in the body. " High

> stress contributes to Mg deficiency which exacerbates anxiety, fear weakness

> & physical complaints, leading to more stress & a vicious cycle. The

> decreased oxygen in the tissues related to stress , tissue injury, & an acid

> condition cause Mg to move out of the cells into the blood plasma leading to

> intracellular deficiency....Those with diabetes, chronic gastrointestinal

> disorders, an overactive thyroid or parathyroid gland, or in the last 6

> months of pregnancy are particularly prone to low Mg. Radiation causes large

> losses of Mg & Mg has a radiation protective action. Since high dose Mg

> antagonizes thyroid, I use high doses as part of my natural for

> hyperthyroidism & avoid high doses when there is a problem with low thyroid

> function. "

> http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

>

> Zoe

>

>

> http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

>

>

>

>

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Your dog may need to rush outside at a moments notice so be prepared.

--- Linn <linnmiller@...> wrote:

> The test wasn't a regular serum test. It's a test done on the WBC's

> that takes about 2 weeks to complete. I don't have it handy right

> now, for the name of it. I don't take any kind of blood pressure

> meds. I'll see if I can pick up some of the glycinate this weekend.

> Gee can I give the other mag stuff to the dog? (-: He takes almost

> as many supplements as I do. Off to check out the mag test. Thanks

> so much.

>

> Linn

>

> On Jun 23, 2006, at 11:59 PM, wrote:

>

> > If you had serum magnesium levels checked the results are

> > worthless. It is

> > like counting your pocket change to determine your net worth. You

> > need to check

> > your bank account for that. That would be a RBC analysis. It checks

> > the

> > mineral content of the Red Blood Cells.

> >

> > When I read that you had a very stressful situation just before the

> > MVP

> > reoccurred... that is just a classic mag loss situation. Some

> > sources say that

> > once depleted in magnesium that it is difficult to absorb orally.

> > This is

> > because of the resulting loss of zinc and B6. I went in for 3 mag

> > IV's at the

> > height of my heart problems. 2500mg once a week for 3 weeks.

> >

> > The following study shows that during hypothyroidism that the red

> > cells

> > (erythrocyte) disgorge their magnesium into the blood (plasma). So

> > serum

> > levels might show loads of magnesium but in-actuality you could be

> > so low in

> > magnesium your heart could stop.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9494058 & dopt=Abstract

> >

> > I think the whole food supplement is fine once your levels are up,

> > but I would

> > get some glycinate, quick. Try it during your arrhythmia instead of

> > a beta

> > blocker.... it will work very quicky. You can't OD on magnesium.

> >

> > You might want to try this little magnesium deficiency test also

> >

> > http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

> >

> >

> >

> > --- Linn <linnmiller@...> wrote:

> >

> > > ,

> > > Thanks for all the info. I guess I should stick with the whole food

> > > supplement instead of the new one I bought. My magnesium level was

> > > good when I had it checked last. I will try some of the Natural Calm

> > > also and see how that does.

> > >

> > > Linn

> > > On Jun 23, 2006, at 11:40 AM, wrote:

> > >

> > > > Magnesium is very hard to absorb... I've read that oxide is 20-40%

> > > > absorbable

> > > > that means that the 60% needs to be eliminated usually in the form

> > > > of diarrhea

> > > > if you take too much. I tried every type of mag available when I

> > > > found it

> > > > helped my heart condition... the longer the symptoms were kept at

> > > > bay the more

> > > > absorbable the magnesium.

> > > > .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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--- cbwillis9 <cbwillis9@...> wrote:

>

> How much magnesium were you taking at that time btw?

> what form

> (oxide, citrate, aspartate, orotate, etc?) Excess

> magnesium

> usually causes diarrhea, body expelling the excess,

> which

> tends to discourage people from taking too much.

>

> Carol

Hi Carol,

I was aware of the balance of calcium to magnesium and

at first tried it that way, but noticed having a

reaction to anything with calcium. I won't go into

the whole story on it. I even had reactions to

calcium rich foods. That does not seem to be

happening any longer.

1200 mg citrate (divided) I did not have the symptom

you list as resulting from excess.

I believe I was hyperthyroid, by that I mean heart

palps, unable to sleep, wired. (From my point of view

these bouts are very damaging and I aim to eliminate

them.) I did not sleep at all and the sleep problem

is unusual for me. As I mentioned previously I could

not attribute it to anything but the magnesium

increase. Stopped the magnesium the symptoms stopped

and after a few days I went back to a lower dose of

magnesium.

For clarity I do not mean to imply that taking such a

dose of magnesium is not good for others. Not at all.

I am only sharing my experience. It could only be my

system was so out-of-whack at that time. Who knows?

Abbe

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Are you on thyroid hormone? If you are, maybe a lower dose was needed during

high dose mag. I would love to have mag push me toward hyper (minus the high

BP) I'd dump levoxyl. With IV's I've gotten 2500mg at once and I routinely

take anywhere from 800-1200mg daily and not a blip on my TSH or feeling of

hyperthyroid. I did hope at one time that my mag deficiency was the cause of

my Hashimoto's.... but not so.

--- Abbe <abbe_online@...> wrote:

>

>

> --- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

>

> > >From: <kennio@...>

> You can't OD

> > on magnesium.

> >

> > But, you can get too much. Symptoms of too much

> > magnesium tend to be the

> > same as from too little.

>

>

> Months ago, I began taking high doses of magnesium in

> connection with hypothyroidism/adrenal fatigue. I

> became hyperthyroid and BP shot up. At the time the

> only thing I could attribute this to was the

> magnesium. I stopped and the symptoms went away. I

> still take magnesium but much less.

>

>

> Abbe

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

>From: <kennio@...>

>The only symptom of too much magnesium I am aware of or experienced is

>diarrhea.

>

>Were these Serum blood test you are referring to? I think you read my

>thoughts

>on them. I really don't think a epsom salts bath could effect you for

>days.

>Magnesium is transient and the amount of magnesium absorbed would have been

>minimal. As I recall you have a strong reaction to iodine also don't you?

>Fatigue? Sounds like maybe your cortisol gets really out of whack with any

>mineral or element that changes the status quo.

>

>NOW if you are talking about symptoms of a mineral imbalance caused by

>magnesium supplementing in which the balance with calcium is not maintained

>along with all the supporting minerals.... I wish I could get there! With

>this

>thyroid disease my calcium is preserved and the magnesium is sacrificed as

>that

>NIH study shows. All my blood tests back this up.

>

,

I know a lot you're saying about magnesium is true, and for some people the

benefit is like a miracle.

High cortisol causes magnesium loss, which is why it is affected by stress.

(I believe antidepressants also cause magnesium wasting) -

http://www.vrp.com/art/588.asp

High blood levels of the stress hormones adrenaline, noradrenaline and

cortisol cause serious magnesium urinary losses.

*************************

However, below is a site that tells the downside, and maybe people with low

adrenals or low blood pressure shouldn't supplement until they've been

tested -

http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/magnesiumchloride.html

CAUTION: Magnesium supplementation should be avoided with severe kidney

problems (severe renal insufficiency when on dialysis), and also with

myasthenia gravis. Be careful with severe adrenal weakness or with low blood

pressure. Too much magnesium can cause muscle weakness, if this happens

temporarily use more calcium. Signs of excess magnesium (hypermagnesia) can

be similar to magnesium deficiency and include changes in mental status,

nausea, diarrhoea, appetite loss, muscle weakness, difficulty breathing,

extremely low blood pressure, and irregular heartbeat.

*****************************

You can get worse from too much magnesium.

As I said, based on blood tests alone, what they're saying about high / low

cortisol and magnesium shows up that way in my wife and I, as we are high /

low on cortisol levels. It is true, a stressful situation is likely to

cause a quick dump into the bloodstream, but our cortisol levels are

relatively consistent so it probably reflects reality.

You do make a point in that maybe I simply need more calcium with it, as

this would mitigate any negative effects.

Magnesium does really help my wife's heart condition, and at one time she

was diagnosed with MVP.

Yet, I don't feel well when I supplement with that, or in fact the B

vitamins (other than B12.)

It is true that iodine does cause a little fatigue, so I don't use it on a

regular basis. When I do, it's usually because I'm coming down with

something and taking large amounts of it don't cause any more fatigue than

only a drop. Maybe it puts more mercury into my system or something.

Skipper

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> Maybe people with low adrenals or low blood pressure shouldn't supplement

until they've been

> tested -

I don't think anyone should mega-dose anything without testing. A reputable

mag website makes the following claim:

" Without sufficient magnesium one cannot keep the adrenals in balance. "

http://www.mgwater.com/benes.shtml

> " Signs of excess magnesium (hypermagnesia) can be similar to magnesium

deficiency and include

> changes in mental status, nausea, diarrhoea, appetite loss, muscle weakness,

difficulty breathing,

> extremely low blood pressure, and irregular heartbeat. "

What is not explained in this paragraph is that hypermagnesia is so rare that

it is almost non-existant AND that it is would be induced by mega IV's in a

healthy individual. Severe kidney disease is also a cause.

" Hypermagnesia or magnesium toxicity is very rare... "

http://www.mineralresourcesint.co.uk/minerals/magnesium.php

I am going to do some research as to how my cortisol levels may be behind my

mag loss. My 24 hour cortisol urinalysis showed slightly elevated cortisol

levels. Thanks for that info.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

>

>

> >The only symptom of too much magnesium I am aware of or experienced is

> >diarrhea.

> >

> >Were these Serum blood test you are referring to? I think you read my

> >thoughts

> >on them. I really don't think a epsom salts bath could effect you for

> >days.

> >Magnesium is transient and the amount of magnesium absorbed would have been

> >minimal. As I recall you have a strong reaction to iodine also don't you?

> >Fatigue? Sounds like maybe your cortisol gets really out of whack with any

> >mineral or element that changes the status quo.

> >

> >NOW if you are talking about symptoms of a mineral imbalance caused by

> >magnesium supplementing in which the balance with calcium is not maintained

> >along with all the supporting minerals.... I wish I could get there! With

> >this

> >thyroid disease my calcium is preserved and the magnesium is sacrificed as

> >that

> >NIH study shows. All my blood tests back this up.

> >

>

>

> ,

>

> I know a lot you're saying about magnesium is true, and for some people the

> benefit is like a miracle.

>

> High cortisol causes magnesium loss, which is why it is affected by stress.

> (I believe antidepressants also cause magnesium wasting) -

>

> http://www.vrp.com/art/588.asp

> High blood levels of the stress hormones adrenaline, noradrenaline and

> cortisol cause serious magnesium urinary losses.

> *************************

>

> However, below is a site that tells the downside, and maybe people with low

> adrenals or low blood pressure shouldn't supplement until they've been

> tested -

>

> http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/magnesiumchloride.html

> CAUTION: Magnesium supplementation should be avoided with severe kidney

> problems (severe renal insufficiency when on dialysis), and also with

> myasthenia gravis. Be careful with severe adrenal weakness or with low blood

> pressure. Too much magnesium can cause muscle weakness, if this happens

> temporarily use more calcium. Signs of excess magnesium (hypermagnesia) can

> be similar to magnesium deficiency and include changes in mental status,

> nausea, diarrhoea, appetite loss, muscle weakness, difficulty breathing,

> extremely low blood pressure, and irregular heartbeat.

> *****************************

>

> You can get worse from too much magnesium.

>

> As I said, based on blood tests alone, what they're saying about high / low

> cortisol and magnesium shows up that way in my wife and I, as we are high /

> low on cortisol levels. It is true, a stressful situation is likely to

> cause a quick dump into the bloodstream, but our cortisol levels are

> relatively consistent so it probably reflects reality.

>

> You do make a point in that maybe I simply need more calcium with it, as

> this would mitigate any negative effects.

>

> Magnesium does really help my wife's heart condition, and at one time she

> was diagnosed with MVP.

>

> Yet, I don't feel well when I supplement with that, or in fact the B

> vitamins (other than B12.)

>

> It is true that iodine does cause a little fatigue, so I don't use it on a

> regular basis. When I do, it's usually because I'm coming down with

> something and taking large amounts of it don't cause any more fatigue than

> only a drop. Maybe it puts more mercury into my system or something.

>

>

> Skipper

>

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This is what Dr. Slagle says about magnesium.

http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

At 10:05 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:

You know I have run across this

claim about Mg antagonizing thyroid a few times

before. I even contacted a doctor who claims to use it for treating

hyperthyroid during my research. She told me `Oh course, if the person is

low

in magnesium this would not effect the thyroid either way " .

Since the NIH study clearly shows magnesium wasting that occurs in

the

hypothyroid, it is just something that doesn't make sense to me;

withholding

mag from the hypothyroid. I do know that some doctors are confused by the

high

SERUM mag results with the hypothyroid and end up using drugs to treat

what is

essential a magnesium deficiency.

I do know I would be dead if I avoided high dose magnesium with my low

thyroid

function. My heart was failing and I didn't know why. I am off my

beta

blockers and tranquilizers I was prescribed. My 3 IV's of mag did not

alter my

TSH at all.

--- Zoe &

<ZOEA@...>

wrote:

> Thanks, , for this excellent link on magnesium. I've added it to

our

> links.

>

> I found it interesting that they say that high dose Mg antagonizes

the

> thyroid, so high dose Mg would be good for treating hyperthyroid

conditions

> and should be avoided with low thyroid function.

>

> It is also interesting that radiation causes large losses of Mg and

that Mg

> has a radiation protective action.

>

> Magnificent Magnesium

> Self-Test for Magnesium deficiency. Excellent discussions of factors

that

> lead to magnesium deficiency and what magnesium does in the body.

" High

> stress contributes to Mg deficiency which exacerbates anxiety, fear

weakness

> & physical complaints, leading to more stress & a vicious

cycle. The

> decreased oxygen in the tissues related to stress , tissue injury,

& an acid

> condition cause Mg to move out of the cells into the blood plasma

leading to

> intracellular deficiency....Those with diabetes, chronic

gastrointestinal

> disorders, an overactive thyroid or parathyroid gland, or in the

last 6

> months of pregnancy are particularly prone to low Mg. Radiation

causes large

> losses of Mg & Mg has a radiation protective action. Since high

dose Mg

> antagonizes thyroid, I use high doses as part of my natural for

> hyperthyroidism & avoid high doses when there is a problem with

low thyroid

> function. "

>

http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

>

> Zoe

>

>

> http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

This is what Dr. Slagle meant to say about magnesiums antagonizing effects and

some clarification of her controversial claims about magnesium and thyroid

disease.

> --- Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:29:19 -0700 pslagle@... wrote:

>

> Hello ,

> You can certainly be both hypothyroid and magnesium deficient. Was

> cautioning against excessive doses of magnesium, being greater than

> 1600 mg daily, as potentially being thyroid suppressant. If your 24

> hour urinary levels of magnesium are showing true magnesium wasting,

> that is another issue...and have seen this occur with autoimmune

> disease, as you have, but can be reversed. Please see my conditions

> section, autoimmune disorders for more information.

>

> Peace and Health, Priscilla Slagle M.D. at http://www.thewayup.com

I am not sure how her patients keep daily doses of 1600mg in their bodies.

Most people would be on the toilet in no time.

--- Irene.M@... wrote:

> This is what Dr. Slagle says about magnesium.

>

> http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

>

>

>

> At 10:05 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:

>

> >You know I have run across this claim about Mg antagonizing thyroid a few

> >times

> >before. I even contacted a doctor who claims to use it for treating

> >hyperthyroid during my research. She told me `Oh course, if the person is

> low

> >in magnesium this would not effect the thyroid either way " .

> >

> >Since the NIH study clearly shows magnesium wasting that occurs in the

> >hypothyroid, it is just something that doesn't make sense to me; withholding

> >mag from the hypothyroid. I do know that some doctors are confused by the

> high

> >SERUM mag results with the hypothyroid and end up using drugs to treat what

> is

> >essential a magnesium deficiency.

> >

> >I do know I would be dead if I avoided high dose magnesium with my low

> thyroid

> >function. My heart was failing and I didn't know why. I am off my beta

> >blockers and tranquilizers I was prescribed. My 3 IV's of mag did not alter

> my

> >TSH at all.

> >

> >--- Zoe & <<mailto:ZOEA%40prodigy.net>ZOEA@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks, , for this excellent link on magnesium. I've added it to our

> > > links.

> > >

> > > I found it interesting that they say that high dose Mg antagonizes the

> > > thyroid, so high dose Mg would be good for treating hyperthyroid

> conditions

> > > and should be avoided with low thyroid function.

> > >

> > > It is also interesting that radiation causes large losses of Mg and that

> Mg

> > > has a radiation protective action.

> > >

> > > Magnificent Magnesium

> > > Self-Test for Magnesium deficiency. Excellent discussions of factors that

> > > lead to magnesium deficiency and what magnesium does in the body. " High

> > > stress contributes to Mg deficiency which exacerbates anxiety, fear

> > weakness

> > > & physical complaints, leading to more stress & a vicious cycle. The

> > > decreased oxygen in the tissues related to stress , tissue injury, & an

> > acid

> > > condition cause Mg to move out of the cells into the blood plasma

> > leading to

> > > intracellular deficiency....Those with diabetes, chronic gastrointestinal

> > > disorders, an overactive thyroid or parathyroid gland, or in the last 6

> > > months of pregnancy are particularly prone to low Mg. Radiation causes

> > large

> > > losses of Mg & Mg has a radiation protective action. Since high dose Mg

> > > antagonizes thyroid, I use high doses as part of my natural for

> > > hyperthyroidism & avoid high doses when there is a problem with low

> thyroid

> > > function. "

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm>http://www.thewayup.com/newslett\

ers/081501.htm

>

> >

> > >

> > > Zoe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm>http://www.thewayup.com/newslett\

ers/081501.htm

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >__________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

One other thing she wrote to me is this when I asked for a source for her

belief about magnesium being an antagonist to the thyroid:

>The thyroid magnesium info have known a long time and do not have my

>original source, but actually use very high magnesium doses to treat and

>control hyperthyroidism.

--- <kennio@...> wrote:

> This is what Dr. Slagle meant to say about magnesiums antagonizing effects

> and

> some clarification of her controversial claims about magnesium and thyroid

> disease.

>

> > --- Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:29:19 -0700 pslagle@... wrote:

> >

> > Hello ,

> > You can certainly be both hypothyroid and magnesium deficient. Was

> > cautioning against excessive doses of magnesium, being greater than

> > 1600 mg daily, as potentially being thyroid suppressant. If your 24

> > hour urinary levels of magnesium are showing true magnesium wasting,

> > that is another issue...and have seen this occur with autoimmune

> > disease, as you have, but can be reversed. Please see my conditions

> > section, autoimmune disorders for more information.

> >

> > Peace and Health, Priscilla Slagle M.D. at http://www.thewayup.com

>

> I am not sure how her patients keep daily doses of 1600mg in their bodies.

> Most people would be on the toilet in no time.

>

> --- Irene.M@... wrote:

>

> > This is what Dr. Slagle says about magnesium.

> >

> > http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

> >

> >

> >

> > At 10:05 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > >You know I have run across this claim about Mg antagonizing thyroid a few

> > >times

> > >before. I even contacted a doctor who claims to use it for treating

> > >hyperthyroid during my research. She told me `Oh course, if the person is

> > low

> > >in magnesium this would not effect the thyroid either way " .

> > >

> > >Since the NIH study clearly shows magnesium wasting that occurs in the

> > >hypothyroid, it is just something that doesn't make sense to me;

> withholding

> > >mag from the hypothyroid. I do know that some doctors are confused by the

> > high

> > >SERUM mag results with the hypothyroid and end up using drugs to treat

> what

> > is

> > >essential a magnesium deficiency.

> > >

> > >I do know I would be dead if I avoided high dose magnesium with my low

> > thyroid

> > >function. My heart was failing and I didn't know why. I am off my beta

> > >blockers and tranquilizers I was prescribed. My 3 IV's of mag did not

> alter

> > my

> > >TSH at all.

> > >

> > >--- Zoe & <<mailto:ZOEA%40prodigy.net>ZOEA@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Thanks, , for this excellent link on magnesium. I've added it to

> our

> > > > links.

> > > >

> > > > I found it interesting that they say that high dose Mg antagonizes the

> > > > thyroid, so high dose Mg would be good for treating hyperthyroid

> > conditions

> > > > and should be avoided with low thyroid function.

> > > >

> > > > It is also interesting that radiation causes large losses of Mg and

> that

> > Mg

> > > > has a radiation protective action.

> > > >

> > > > Magnificent Magnesium

> > > > Self-Test for Magnesium deficiency. Excellent discussions of factors

> that

> > > > lead to magnesium deficiency and what magnesium does in the body. " High

> > > > stress contributes to Mg deficiency which exacerbates anxiety, fear

> > > weakness

> > > > & physical complaints, leading to more stress & a vicious cycle. The

> > > > decreased oxygen in the tissues related to stress , tissue injury, & an

>

> > > acid

> > > > condition cause Mg to move out of the cells into the blood plasma

> > > leading to

> > > > intracellular deficiency....Those with diabetes, chronic

> gastrointestinal

> > > > disorders, an overactive thyroid or parathyroid gland, or in the last 6

> > > > months of pregnancy are particularly prone to low Mg. Radiation causes

> > > large

> > > > losses of Mg & Mg has a radiation protective action. Since high dose Mg

> > > > antagonizes thyroid, I use high doses as part of my natural for

> > > > hyperthyroidism & avoid high doses when there is a problem with low

> > thyroid

> > > > function. "

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm>http://www.thewayup.com/newslett\

ers/081501.htm

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Zoe

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm>http://www.thewayup.com/newslett\

ers/081501.htm

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >__________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

--- <kennio@...> wrote:

> Are you on thyroid hormone?

Not at that time and not now.

If you are, maybe a

> lower dose was needed during

> high dose mag. I would love to have mag push me

> toward hyper (minus the high

> BP) I'd dump levoxyl.

Do you mean you would like to feel more energetic?

With IV's I've gotten 2500mg

> at once and I routinely

> take anywhere from 800-1200mg daily and not a blip

> on my TSH or feeling of

> hyperthyroid.

Did you expect magnesium to impact TSH or result in

the *feeling* of hyperthyroidism?

If I recall from other of your messages these

infusions of magnesium were related to a heart

condition and not *necessarily* hypothyroidism. Is

that correct?

When I told the doctor I did not like the hyper

feeling he said lots of his other patients want it.

At the time I was too wrapped up in myself to ask why.

So, I'll ask you. Why? If in fact I have understood

you.

I had a thought concerning the two issues you seem to

be raising, i.e., feeling and magnesium. On the one

hand the implication (to my understanding) of your

comments concerning a desire to move in the direction

of hyper and your use of magnesium, which is said to

be calming. The thought that maybe on less magnesium

you would feel more energetic. But, and that is a big

but...since I do not understand why you are taking

magnesium my thought about taking less could be out of

the question.

I did hope at one time that my mag

> deficiency was the cause of

> my Hashimoto's.... but not so.

Now, this really has me puzzled. BTW, I have the

Hashimoto diagnosis as well. But, I have no idea how

magnesium could be involved in that. If you care too

please explain.

Are you using iodine in any form? If so, and if you

care to comment, how is that going for you?

Abbe

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[Guest guest]

--- sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:

> I have definitely had problems from too much

> magnesium! With all the

> excitement about it here, I tried a number of

> supplements including

> Natural Calm. When I couldn't tolerate them at all -

> digestive pain -

> I switched to Epsom baths and magnesium gel, using

> one or the other

> every day. I started to slow down so much, had

> trouble getting up

> the stairs due to weakness, had heart palpitations,

> couldn't think

> or enjoy anything. I cut back to no more than 2x a

> week and the

> problems went away.

> Sharon

>

Thank you, Sharon

Yesterday, day 2 on small dose of Iodoral, I noticed

after taking the usual dose of magnesium (I had been

tolerating prior to Iodoral) a reaction. I did not

have palpitations but a sudden temperature change or I

got very warm, tired, lost energy, and in general did

not feel well. I am not going to take it today and

see how it goes.

Abbe

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[Guest guest]

I went to get passport photos a couple of years ago and couldn't believe my

eyes. I looked so old in them I couldn't believe it. I had had the heart

issue just starting at that time. I was already in physical therapy because ONE

of my triceps muscles had just stopped working and was atrophying. I was being

tested for MS and other neurological diseases. I was so dehydrated constantly

that my face was lined and dented. The dehydration was so bad that I squatted

down and tore my meniscus (cartilage) in my knee. I was falling apart. I was

also more depressed then ever before.

I started researching the possibilities of what could be wrong. I ran across

magnesium several times but thought that since it was in my multivit I was

covered. I went for my physical therapy and my doctor listening to me about my

complaint that I drink and drink water but it passes through instead of filling

my cells. He said " Well you might be magnesium deficient, here take these " and

handed me Magnesium Glycinate capsules. I went to work out after leaving his

office; I had long since lost the ability to build muscle but went anyway.

Although he told me to take only one capsule... I took four like the label

said. As I worked out and drank my usual gallon of water I noticed my arms

start to look huge. I started swelling or what I thought was swelling and I

started to panic a bit. When I looked in the mirror I saw my face had started

to look as I looked 4 or 5 years before...my muscle filled up for the first

time in a couple years. It was like a miracle, even my wrinkled earlobes

filled up. I was so totally magnesium deficient that it was a wonder I wasn't

dead. Slowly ALL my physical complaints cleared up too; my tricep muscle began

to work, I was able to stop my heart medication...even my torn cartilige

repaired itself (I had prolotherapy on it... but that's another story).

So I began researching the cause of magnesium deficiency... still not diagnosed

as having hashimoto's. Eventually with all signs pointing to thyroid I

demanded my doctor do every thyroid test available. So FINALLY he did the

antibody test. Bingo, hashimoto's!

At the time I thought that maybe the magnesium deficiency caused the thyroid to

go bad. Instead of going on thyroid hormone, I kept my self saturated with

magnesium... tried every type, had IV's, gels, baths and my body just would not

retain it and my TSH remained out of range and did the antibodies. I gave up

after 7 months and went on Levoxyl. My magnesium loss is much better now. I

can spot when I am down on mag by my water levels, levels of depression and

sleep quality. I have a body water scale that gives me my intercellular body

water%. A little mag and water and it goes up immediately(potassium now too).

I would have loved to have used magnesium to been able to manipulate my TSH; to

reverse my low thyroid. If it had worked I would have utilized it carefully

and been able to stay off levoxyl. I tried... it did not work. It is

simple.... Thyroid disease causes magnesium deficiency. I believe most thyroid

symptoms are in fact magnesium deficiency symptoms. I don't want to feel

hyper, I want to feel and be normal WITHOUT having to take thyroid hormone.

That is why I am here... megadosing iodine. I want off thyroid hormone.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9\

494058 & dopt=Abstract

" Magnesium is important for many enzymes, over 300 enzymes in the body need it

to form reactions. Many hormones needed for growth depend on magnesium, Dr.

Rude says. "

http://web.mit.edu/london/www/magnesium.html

As for your question about energy. Magnesium is extremely necessary for proper

ATP synthesis. ATP is like the bodies energy store. Magnesium is just not for

sleep and relaxation. Magnesium does not make me feel hyper... but it DOES

make me tired if I take large quantities at once so I use it for sleep BUT I

take it in divided doses throughout the day 100mg a dose to keep my levels up

especially on iodine... I tend to get hypo symptoms without it, mostly

depression.

I do not have a heart condition, I had a mineral deficiency. My " heart

condition " was a symptom of thyroid disease. With thyroid disease you can get

a slightly enlarged heart and of course the mag deficiency causes heart related

problems. Calcium and mag cause the heart to pump- calcium causes the

contraction - magnesium causes the relaxation phase. Doctors will give you a

drug called a `Calcium channel blocker' if you have a `heart condition' (also

known as low magnesium). The drug prevents the calcium from edging out the

meager amount of magnesium from the heart muscle... without which of course the

heart would stop beating. Magnesium is natures calcium channel blocker.

I am megadosing iodine now 50 mg. I have 12 days left. I am disappointed, no

reduction in levoxyl. I had high hopes. Initially since I was so nervous

taking the iodine I had some symptoms, I thought. The stress caused some

throat constriction but it was just my nervousness. I am switching over to

amour to see how that goes.

Sorry to be so wordy.

--- Abbe <abbe_online@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> --- <kennio@...> wrote:

>

> > Are you on thyroid hormone?

>

>

>

> Not at that time and not now.

>

>

>

> If you are, maybe a

> > lower dose was needed during

> > high dose mag. I would love to have mag push me

> > toward hyper (minus the high

> > BP) I'd dump levoxyl.

>

>

>

> Do you mean you would like to feel more energetic?

>

>

>

>

>

> With IV's I've gotten 2500mg

> > at once and I routinely

> > take anywhere from 800-1200mg daily and not a blip

> > on my TSH or feeling of

> > hyperthyroid.

>

>

>

> Did you expect magnesium to impact TSH or result in

> the *feeling* of hyperthyroidism?

>

> If I recall from other of your messages these

> infusions of magnesium were related to a heart

> condition and not *necessarily* hypothyroidism. Is

> that correct?

>

> When I told the doctor I did not like the hyper

> feeling he said lots of his other patients want it.

> At the time I was too wrapped up in myself to ask why.

> So, I'll ask you. Why? If in fact I have understood

> you.

>

> I had a thought concerning the two issues you seem to

> be raising, i.e., feeling and magnesium. On the one

> hand the implication (to my understanding) of your

> comments concerning a desire to move in the direction

> of hyper and your use of magnesium, which is said to

> be calming. The thought that maybe on less magnesium

> you would feel more energetic. But, and that is a big

> but...since I do not understand why you are taking

> magnesium my thought about taking less could be out of

> the question.

>

> I did hope at one time that my mag

> > deficiency was the cause of

> > my Hashimoto's.... but not so.

>

>

> Now, this really has me puzzled. BTW, I have the

> Hashimoto diagnosis as well. But, I have no idea how

> magnesium could be involved in that. If you care too

> please explain.

>

> Are you using iodine in any form? If so, and if you

> care to comment, how is that going for you?

>

>

> Abbe

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

--- <kennio@...> wrote:

> I am megadosing iodine now 50 mg. I have 12 days

> left. I am disappointed, no

> reduction in levoxyl. I had high hopes. Initially

> since I was so nervous

> taking the iodine I had some symptoms, I thought.

> The stress caused some

> throat constriction but it was just my nervousness.

> I am switching over to

> amour to see how that goes.

>

> Sorry to be so wordy.

Not at all, . I appreciate getting this clear

picture. I had misunderstood from the previous

messages I read. Now I think I understand your

situation a bit better. It's amazing how you

recovered so well after taking the magnesium. It

seems to be about finding the right combination.

This is only day 3 for me on a very low dose of

Iodoral and yesterday as well as today after being up

for about 4 hours I have the 'throat constriction'. I

do think getting nervous about it yesterday played

into it and maybe made it worse than it is today. It

is tolerable, though, and otherwise I feel well.

I plan to call my doctor tomorrow and discuss this

with him. I sense that for me throat constriction is

directly related to Hashimoto's.

Yes, I read about your switch to Armour. Good luck

with that. It seems to help lots of people. Why not

you? I had high hopes when I tried it but was unable

to tolerate it. It could be just the thing for you.

Abbe

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