Re: Rind and iodine -- Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

Yes, I've got some interesting things to share from the conference!

To start, here is what I got from the Dr. Rind session:

1. He was not able to give out hard copies of his presentation due to

some problem, but he posted it on his website (under the forms

section at drrind.com). Here is the link:

http://drrind.com/forms/wp_metabolic_seminar.pdf

The hand out was pretty thorough so I didn't take a lot of notes. If

anyone has any clarification questions on the handout you are welcome

to ask me and I hopefully would remember the presentation and be able

to answer.

2. His email address is doctorrind@... . It was announced to

the audience that he is willing to answer short, concise questions.

So it looks like someone doesn't have to be a patient in order to ask

him a question.

3. He spent a lot of time discussing thyroid and adrenal symptoms,

including how being low in one can look like being high in the other.

I won't go into much detail here as it wasn't iodine related but the

handouts should give a good overview. One little tidbit - he did

mention that he thought raynaud's disease was really an adrenal

problem since when he gave adrenal support a number of patients told

him their raynaud's symptoms went away.

4. He said that iodine is good for those with hypoT, but it " hurts "

those with hyperT and also " hurts " those with weak adrenals. He

didn't elaborate on that. I think it would be great if someone from

the group wanted to email him to get an explanation for this.

5. Regarding iodine and other halogens: He said that iodine flushes

out other halogens like fluoride and bromide. He said that when these

other halogens are flushed out, that this will reduce antibodies

(presumably Hashimotos and Graves) - because after this flushing

there are less things in the body that the body does not recognize.

Just a note: I believe he started studying and using iodine this past

spring, so he is presumably not as experienced with iodine as the

other " iodine docs " we are familiar with.

Sharon

> Thanks, Sharon, for sharing Rind's comments from the WAPF

conference.

>

> Did he have anything else to share about iodine??? For example,

did he mention how iodine affects the adrenals? Is he regularly

using Iodoral now? Does he have any upper levels or ways of

determining if you have enough?

>

> Anything else on iodine from the conference???

>

> Thanks.

>

> Zoe

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much, Sharon!!! I just finished looking at his talk slides, and I was wondering if you could tell us more about the face pinkness and what it means. Also, if you know any more than what he says about the fingerprints.

My impression is that he talked more about iodine than the two comments in his slides.

Zoe

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From: sharflin Yes, I've got some interesting things to share from the conference! To start, here is what I got from the Dr. Rind session: 1. He was not able to give out hard copies of his presentation due to some problem, but he posted it on his website (under the forms section at drrind.com). Here is the link: http://drrind.com/forms/wp_metabolic_seminar.pdf The hand out was pretty thorough so I didn't take a lot of notes. If anyone has any clarification questions on the handout you are welcome to ask me and I hopefully would remember the presentation and be able to answer. 2. His email address is doctorrind@... . It was announced to the audience that he is willing to answer short, concise questions. So it looks like someone doesn't have to be a patient in order to ask him a question. 3. He spent a lot of time discussing thyroid and adrenal symptoms, including how being low in one can look like being high in the other. I won't go into much detail here as it wasn't iodine related but the handouts should give a good overview. One little tidbit - he did mention that he thought raynaud's disease was really an adrenal problem since when he gave adrenal support a number of patients told him their raynaud's symptoms went away. 4. He said that iodine is good for those with hypoT, but it "hurts" those with hyperT and also "hurts" those with weak adrenals. He didn't elaborate on that. I think it would be great if someone from the group wanted to email him to get an explanation for this. 5. Regarding iodine and other halogens: He said that iodine flushes out other halogens like fluoride and bromide. He said that when these other halogens are flushed out, that this will reduce antibodies (presumably Hashimotos and Graves) - because after this flushing there are less things in the body that the body does not recognize. Just a note: I believe he started studying and using iodine this past spring, so he is presumably not as experienced with iodine as the other "iodine docs" we are familiar with. Sharon> Thanks, Sharon, for sharing Rind's comments from the WAPF conference. > > Did he have anything else to share about iodine??? For example, did he mention how iodine affects the adrenals? Is he regularly using Iodoral now? Does he have any upper levels or ways of determining if you have enough?> > Anything else on iodine from the conference??? > > Thanks.> > ZoeIodine

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

> Thank you very much, Sharon!!! I just finished looking at his talk

slides, and I was wondering if you could tell us more about the face

pinkness and what it means. Also, if you know any more than what he

says about the fingerprints.

Dr. Rind uses face pinkness as a metric for adrenal fatigue - the

pinker the face the less the adrenal problem. Most of those slides are

hints at how to really determine pinkness given things like variations

in skin color and sinus infections. But the concept is pretty basic:

the pinker the face, the stronger the adrenals.

He also has noted a relationship between finger tips and adrenal

function: those with good adrenal function will have deeply ridged

finger prints without creases and lines. Those with poor adrenal

function will have shallow ridges, shiny looking skin and more creases

and lines in the their finger tips. He says this has to do with

proteins and collagens but I don't recall the exact mechanism for this.

> My impression is that he talked more about iodine than the two

comments in his slides.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean? Unless I missed it, he really

didn't talk much about iodine. He also had to skip up to a third of his

slides due to running out of time.

Take care,

Sharon

[Guest guest]

He mentions phosphatidylcholine for the rebuilding of adrenals along with

vitamins and minerals. That's interesting. I would assume because of its

prevalence in the cell membrane; making it more permeable, the liver

rejuvenating effects and the concentration of it in the thyroid.

--- Zoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote:

> Thank you very much, Sharon!!! I just finished looking at his talk slides,

> and I was wondering if you could tell us more about the face pinkness and

> what it means. Also, if you know any more than what he says about the

> fingerprints.

>

> My impression is that he talked more about iodine than the two comments in

> his slides.

>

> Zoe

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: sharflin

>

> Yes, I've got some interesting things to share from the conference!

> To start, here is what I got from the Dr. Rind session:

>

> 1. He was not able to give out hard copies of his presentation due to

> some problem, but he posted it on his website (under the forms

> section at drrind.com). Here is the link:

> http://drrind.com/forms/wp_metabolic_seminar.pdf

> The hand out was pretty thorough so I didn't take a lot of notes. If

> anyone has any clarification questions on the handout you are welcome

> to ask me and I hopefully would remember the presentation and be able

> to answer.

>

> 2. His email address is doctorrind@... . It was announced to

> the audience that he is willing to answer short, concise questions.

> So it looks like someone doesn't have to be a patient in order to ask

> him a question.

>

> 3. He spent a lot of time discussing thyroid and adrenal symptoms,

> including how being low in one can look like being high in the other.

> I won't go into much detail here as it wasn't iodine related but the

> handouts should give a good overview. One little tidbit - he did

> mention that he thought raynaud's disease was really an adrenal

> problem since when he gave adrenal support a number of patients told

> him their raynaud's symptoms went away.

>

> 4. He said that iodine is good for those with hypoT, but it " hurts "

> those with hyperT and also " hurts " those with weak adrenals. He

> didn't elaborate on that. I think it would be great if someone from

> the group wanted to email him to get an explanation for this.

>

> 5. Regarding iodine and other halogens: He said that iodine flushes

> out other halogens like fluoride and bromide. He said that when these

> other halogens are flushed out, that this will reduce antibodies

> (presumably Hashimotos and Graves) - because after this flushing

> there are less things in the body that the body does not recognize.

>

> Just a note: I believe he started studying and using iodine this past

> spring, so he is presumably not as experienced with iodine as the

> other " iodine docs " we are familiar with.

>

> Sharon

>

>

> > Thanks, Sharon, for sharing Rind's comments from the WAPF

> conference.

> >

> > Did he have anything else to share about iodine??? For example,

> did he mention how iodine affects the adrenals? Is he regularly

> using Iodoral now? Does he have any upper levels or ways of

> determining if you have enough?

> >

> > Anything else on iodine from the conference???

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Zoe

>

>

>

>

>

> Iodine

[Guest guest]

How does he measure this when dealing with people of

color?

--- sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:

> Hi Zoe,

>

> Dr. Rind uses face pinkness as a metric for adrenal

> fatigue - the

> pinker the face the less the adrenal problem. Most

> of those slides are

> hints at how to really determine pinkness given

> things like variations

> in skin color and sinus infections. But the concept

> is pretty basic:

> the pinker the face, the stronger the adrenals.

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[Guest guest]

Fascinating that he does not consider cold hands and

cold intolerance to be purely hypothyroid symptoms.

I am sure, as he mentions, that this is a common mis-

conception. I certainly shared it. So, if you have

these symptoms, as do I, then low adrenals are also

at play. And here I've been mostly skimming over the

lengthy adrenal threads.

Actually, I think a chart of symptoms had previously

been presented to the group with similar categorization.

At that time, I lamented that cortisol was being

recommended. That still bothers me. It's hard to

imagine taking the stuff.

Thanks,

-

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> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: sharflin

> >

> > Yes, I've got some interesting things to share from the

conference!

> > To start, here is what I got from the Dr. Rind session:

> >

> > 1. He was not able to give out hard copies of his presentation

due to

> > some problem, but he posted it on his website (under the forms

> > section at drrind.com). Here is the link:

> > http://drrind.com/forms/wp_metabolic_seminar.pdf

> > The hand out was pretty thorough so I didn't take a lot of

notes. If

> > anyone has any clarification questions on the handout you are

welcome

> > to ask me and I hopefully would remember the presentation and

be able

> > to answer.

[Guest guest]

>

I just want to know, in the slide presentation, who are the poor

souls from his office that got to pose as Ms. " Low Adrenal " and

Ms. " Low Thyroid " . How would you like that to be your claim to

fame?

> Yes, I've got some interesting things to share from the conference!

> To start, here is what I got from the Dr. Rind session:

>

> 1. He was not able to give out hard copies of his presentation due

to some problem, but he posted it on his website (under the forms

> section at drrind.com). Here is the link:

> http://drrind.com/forms/wp_metabolic_seminar.pdf

> The hand out was pretty thorough so I didn't take a lot of notes.

If anyone has any clarification questions on the handout you are

welcome to ask me and I hopefully would remember the presentation

and be able to answer.

>

> 2. His email address is doctorrind@... . It was announced to

> the audience that he is willing to answer short, concise

questions. So it looks like someone doesn't have to be a patient in

order to ask him a question.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes...I know...what some people must suffer for the cause of educating

the rest of us!

Those two are on his staff!

> I just want to know, in the slide presentation, who are the poor

> souls from his office that got to pose as Ms. " Low Adrenal " and

> Ms. " Low Thyroid " . How would you like that to be your claim to

> fame?

[Guest guest]

>From: " " <truepatriot@...>

>Fascinating that he does not consider cold hands and

>cold intolerance to be purely hypothyroid symptoms.

They could be purely hypothyroid symptoms. After all, taking thyroid meds

may correct it. For two reasons. One, sometimes it is just low thyroid.

Two, often when someone takes thyroid meds their cortisol level increases,

as Langer described in his book.

The truth is that the adrenals and thyroid are so inter-related it's hard to

tell which is the cause of one's problems. They work together. Low

cortisol means you don't convert T4 to T3 well, you just excrete more T4.

High cortisol means instead of turning T4 into adequate amounts of T3, you

create inactive rT3 instead.

Low body temp can also be caused by anemia, of which certain types can also

be caused by low thyroid.

Nothing is ever simple.

And, several have reported here that they seemed to get warmer when taking

iodine, so maybe it's fixing their adrenal or thyroid problems.

>I lamented that cortisol was being

>recommended. That still bothers me. It's hard to

>imagine taking the stuff.

Why would it be hard to imagine taking a natural hormone? (Natural as in

bio-identical. Cortef/hydrocortisone is bio-identical to cortisol.) Maybe

because doctors have pushed us to believe bio-identical hormones are bad?

Prednisone, a synthetic analog (not bio-identical) is bad.

Actually, a Dr. Tintera wrote about low adrenals in the 1940s, and used

something called " Adrenal Cortical Extract " back then. Sometime in the

1960s it was outlawed, the reasoning being that Prednisone was created and

synthetics are always better, even if not nearly the same. Senator Barry

Goldwater talked a little about what a travesty that was. He treated all

kinds of conditions including alchololism and hypoglycemia with his ACE, and

claims to have worked wonders with it. If you search his name, you can come

up with lots of interesting information.

The adrenals actually produce hundreds of hormones, and it's likely the ACE

he used had a cross section of those hormones, not just cortisol, so it's

likely the best treatment ever for low adrenals was outlawed by the FDA.

(And through Codex, they'd like to outlaw large dosages of Vitamin C, so the

powers-that-be are still trying to limit our health choices.)

ACE also would have had iodine in it, since the adrenals seem to soak up a

lot of it too. And maybe other minerals we don't know about. (Somewhere

I've read the adrenals need tin, Accucell, but I don't know how true that

is.

Skipper

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[Guest guest]

i agree with you...and had started to post that the cold hands were

purely a hypo symptom for me...and I had both heat and cold

intolerance when hypo...it was the extremes of either that affected

me. I've looked at Dr. Rind's chart before at his site...and just

did not fit his thyroid/adrenal criteria...but I do think they are

so interrelated that it can be quite difficult to say for some

symptoms that they are one or the other.

For example I had low blood pressure when hypo and with high

cortisol...it corrected with Armour. almost 3 years later when

adrenals went bad after quinolone exposure, I had low blood pressure

again from the adrenals.

cindi

>

> >>

> The truth is that the adrenals and thyroid are so inter-related

it's hard to

> tell which is the cause of one's problems. They work together.

Low

> cortisol means you don't convert T4 to T3 well, you just excrete

more T4.

> High cortisol means instead of turning T4 into adequate amounts of

T3, you

> create inactive rT3 instead.

>

> Low body temp can also be caused by anemia, of which certain types

can also

> be caused by low thyroid.

>

> Nothing is ever simple.

[Guest guest]

I've had Reynauds "disease" and know that it goes away with thyroid/adrenal treatment. I have also been hyper/hypo with a low TSH and think I needed iodine as well as adrenal meds. In fact there is a doc, Jefferies?, who thinks hypers should be treated with adrenal meds. Perhaps Dr. Rind just needs to treat adrenals b4 giving iodine.

Gracia

Hi Zoe,Yes, I've got some interesting things to share from the conference! To start, here is what I got from the Dr. Rind session: 1. He was not able to give out hard copies of his presentation due to some problem, but he posted it on his website (under the forms section at drrind.com). Here is the link: http://drrind.com/forms/wp_metabolic_seminar.pdf The hand out was pretty thorough so I didn't take a lot of notes. If anyone has any clarification questions on the handout you are welcome to ask me and I hopefully would remember the presentation and be able to answer. 2. His email address is doctorrindgmail . It was announced to the audience that he is willing to answer short, concise questions. So it looks like someone doesn't have to be a patient in order to ask him a question. 3. He spent a lot of time discussing thyroid and adrenal symptoms, including how being low in one can look like being high in the other. I won't go into much detail here as it wasn't iodine related but the handouts should give a good overview. One little tidbit - he did mention that he thought raynaud's disease was really an adrenal problem since when he gave adrenal support a number of patients told him their raynaud's symptoms went away. 4. He said that iodine is good for those with hypoT, but it "hurts" those with hyperT and also "hurts" those with weak adrenals. He didn't elaborate on that. I think it would be great if someone from the group wanted to email him to get an explanation for this. 5. Regarding iodine and other halogens: He said that iodine flushes out other halogens like fluoride and bromide. He said that when these other halogens are flushed out, that this will reduce antibodies (presumably Hashimotos and Graves) - because after this flushing there are less things in the body that the body does not recognize. Just a note: I believe he started studying and using iodine this past spring, so he is presumably not as experienced with iodine as the other "iodine docs" we are familiar with. Sharon> Thanks, Sharon, for sharing Rind's comments from the WAPF conference. > > Did he have anything else to share about iodine??? For example, did he mention how iodine affects the adrenals? Is he regularly using Iodoral now? Does he have any upper levels or ways of determining if you have enough?> > Anything else on iodine from the conference??? > > Thanks.> > Zoe

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[Guest guest]

>

> i agree with you...and had started to post that the cold hands were

> purely a hypo symptom for me...and I had both heat and cold

> intolerance when hypo...it was the extremes of either that affected

> me. I've looked at Dr. Rind's chart before at his site...and just

> did not fit his thyroid/adrenal criteria...but I do think they are

> so interrelated that it can be quite difficult to say for some

> symptoms that they are one or the other.

>

> For example I had low blood pressure when hypo and with high

> cortisol...it corrected with Armour. almost 3 years later when

> adrenals went bad after quinolone exposure, I had low blood pressure

> again from the adrenals.

> cindi

>

I agree that it isn't that easy to categorize the symptoms 100%. I

always thought that most of my symptoms were thyroid, but MANY were

resolved when adrenals were addressed with cortisol - and I'm still

pretty hypo on 3 grains of Naturethroid, so I have some lingering hypo

symptoms that are more traditional hypo symptoms.

I'm not convinced about the body types though (those poor gals!). I

am beginning to think that my problems are mostly related primarily to

adrenals, but I look more like the thyroid gal! Although his skin

tone & fingerprint stuff was right on the money for me.

All of this really makes me very excited to try iodine to see if it,

along with balancing sex hormones, resolves my thyroid problems at all.

[Guest guest]

I was getting very HOT on Lugol's 2 drops per day. I had to stop

because my neck began to swell & I started to feel a sting in my throat

area.. I don't think I'm healthy enough for iodine. IN case it matters,

I've got Hashi's. I'm on HC for adrenal fatigue & 1.5 grains Armour.

I've been off Lugol's for 3 days. Neck isn't as full. & stings no

more. Face & chest has been getting flushed in afternoon. Don't know

what that's about.

Amy

Skipper Beers wrote:

Nothing is ever simple.

And, several have reported here that they seemed to get warmer when taking

iodine, so maybe it's fixing their adrenal or thyroid problems.

[Guest guest]

IMO this is an example of taking too little. If you are very iodine deficicient you might want to get 50mg/day. you probly will never be healthy until you get enough.

Gracia

I was getting very HOT on Lugol's 2 drops per day. I had to stop because my neck began to swell & I started to feel a sting in my throat area.. I don't think I'm healthy enough for iodine. IN case it matters, I've got Hashi's. I'm on HC for adrenal fatigue & 1.5 grains Armour. I've been off Lugol's for 3 days. Neck isn't as full. & stings no more. Face & chest has been getting flushed in afternoon. Don't know what that's about.AmySkipper Beers wrote:

Nothing is ever simple.And, several have reported here that they seemed to get warmer when taking iodine, so maybe it's fixing their adrenal or thyroid problems.

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