Guest guest Posted September 24, 1999 Report Share Posted September 24, 1999 Hi, Mark. I am up-to-date (almost) on my artwork deadlines, and working on some web work this week, and thinking about the bio. I have a nagging question floating around in the back of my head which I would like answered before I post my bio. I believe I am safe on this, but need some more info before I proceed. It appears to me that the shared files, and the archived e-mails for that matter, are out of the reach of the robots and spiders and such which automatically crawl the web and catalog content for the major search engines. I believe the password-only access assures this. However, I need to be absolutely sure! As you know, I am working on a web site to promote my artwork, and the last thing I need is for a client to search for my work, but find my bio as an arthritic instead. That could really mess me up--who wants an arthritic artist when there are dozens of able-bodied ones in line behind me? I know I could use some " do not catalog " meta-tags, use a pseudonym, etc. Just want your thoughts on this matter before posting. Jean ---------- >From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.) ><rheumaticonelist> >Subject: rheumatic Stories >Date: Thu, Sep 23, 1999, 10:49 PM > > From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.) > > You know as I read all these comments of how everyone deals with their > disease, I still think it would be helpful to understand the background of > one's disease and what they've done, how many joints they've had replaced, > their experiences with docs, etc,etc.... So once again, I appeal to > those of you out there to offer up your stories so we can understand better > why you make the choices you do. > 4 stories are available at > /files/rheumatic/Biographies/ > Surely out of some 300 participants here, a few more could take 10 minutes > to write up a short personal/medical history? I've even offered to post > them if you would just email me the story. > > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 1999 Report Share Posted September 24, 1999 I will check on that for you Jean. I don't think that is a problem, but I will ask OneList to make sure. Mark rheumatic Stories > >Date: Thu, Sep 23, 1999, 10:49 PM > > > > > From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.) > > > > You know as I read all these comments of how everyone deals with their > > disease, I still think it would be helpful to understand the background of > > one's disease and what they've done, how many joints they've had replaced, > > their experiences with docs, etc,etc.... So once again, I appeal to > > those of you out there to offer up your stories so we can understand better > > why you make the choices you do. > > 4 stories are available at > > /files/rheumatic/Biographies/ > > Surely out of some 300 participants here, a few more could take 10 minutes > > to write up a short personal/medical history? I've even offered to post > > them if you would just email me the story. > > > > Mark > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 1999 Report Share Posted September 24, 1999 Geoff, I appreciate your kind remarks, but, respectfully, I must assume you have never worked on a national ad campaign under deadline. I know what my work is worth. Due to major upheavals in the graphic design and visual communications industries brought about by the advances in desktop computing, the illustration field is now truly dog-eat-dog. A large percentage of my former illustrator colleagues no longer make a living this way. I have been lucky in that I am a natural at computer work, and already had 10 years of solid traditional experience under my belt before so much of the displacement began to occur. But I have had to make major shifts in the way I work, while the industry is going through all sorts of changes, while I was learning to live with a chronic painful disease. All this while self-employed, paying for my own health insurance (now costs 8 times what it did when I came down with ReA 11 years ago), and buying my own computer equipment and paying for my own retraining. Much as I wish I could say " I'm a talented experienced artist with a chronic disease which may or may not impact my ability to complete your project in a timely way, so take me or leave me " I fear all too often, they would choose to leave me. Of course I don't work for clients whose standards are not up to mine (e.g. tobacco companies) but that is another story. I have several friends who are also clients, and they do know of my physical challenges when they assign me a job, but this information is limited to a trusted few who truly do know me well enough to trust that come hell or high water or medial epicondylitis, I will find a way to complete their job on time. So, this is why I don't promote myself as an arthritic artist. That's just one more competitive disadvantage I don't need. I would welcome any other comments on my situation. If anyone is interested, you can see my work at http://home.postnet.com/~jpro. The site is not finished, but is mostly there. Jean ---------- >From: " Geoff Crenshaw " <geoff@...> > " Probert " <jpro@...> >Subject: Re: rheumatic Stories >Date: Fri, Sep 24, 1999, 10:18 AM > > Hopefully, someone who wants your special and individual talents and > doesn't view artists as some form of human commodity. Think well of > yourself. Your talent and all of life that has gone into making you who > you are, are unique not only in this world, but in all of history > forever and ever. There will always be people with whom, and for whom, > you cannot work and maintain your dignity and grace. Do not shrink back > from passing them by. Both you and your work are uniquely valuable and > what you and you alone produce creates value for others. Consider that > value and act accordingly. Don't sell yourself short - sell long - it > will pay great dividends. > > Regards, > > Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ----------------------- > Captain Cook's Cruise Center ** Usual Disclaimers ** > ----------------------- > Religion: Man's attempt to discover God > Christianity: God's offer to save humankind > > > > rheumatic Stories >> >Date: Thu, Sep 23, 1999, 10:49 PM >> > >> >> > From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.) >> > >> > You know as I read all these comments of how everyone deals with > their >> > disease, I still think it would be helpful to understand the > background of >> > one's disease and what they've done, how many joints they've had > replaced, >> > their experiences with docs, etc,etc.... So once again, I appeal to >> > those of you out there to offer up your stories so we can understand > better >> > why you make the choices you do. >> > 4 stories are available at >> > /files/rheumatic/Biographies/ >> > Surely out of some 300 participants here, a few more could take 10 > minutes >> > to write up a short personal/medical history? I've even offered to > post >> > them if you would just email me the story. >> > >> > Mark >> >> --------------------------- ONElist > Sponsor ---------------------------- >> >> Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO > Greetings >> at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, >> cute, cool and animated cards. >> <a href= " http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/zing11 " >Click Here</a> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 Mark, You're right, that's a good idea and I promise I will get around to getting a bio in there soon. In the meantime, I thought maybe I should explain here why I've come to the decisions I've made because I certainly don't want to leave the impression that my choices are right for everyone. First off, I already knew a number of people with RA, not least of which was my mom, when I was diagnosed. My observations of all them was that none of them were doing too well but my mom seemed to be managing the best of any of them. All of them, with the exception of my mom, were on traditional meds and were progressively adding additional meds or increased dosages to their regimes. My mom's initial encounter with a rheum was terrible to say the least, which is why she sought out alternative treatments, finally settling on seeing a Master Herbalist (who's also a medical doctor), who prescribes various herbs and does acupuncture. Her one concession to traditional meds is she takes one or two nsaids a week (not per day). She's done quite well on this program and is even capable of doing some things that I couldn't, like play the odd game of golf. The rest of the people I know on traditional meds have either not gotten any better or are encountering more problems. When I was diagnosed, I was initially opposed to taking much more than nsaids because I have a long history of drug allergies and bad reactions so I'm pretty leery of taking drugs. However, because my rheum constantly put heavy pressure on me to take a DMARD, I consented to Plaquenil because it had the least potential for bad side effects, however, it didn't do anything to help my RA but did cause severe blurred vision, so I finally quit it without any repercussions to my RA but my blurred vision improved. Throughout this, my rheum continually bugged me to quit the Minocin and start adding other standard meds. I have always felt this was a slippery slope to start heading out on and my feeling was confirmed for me by observing people in my local AP support group. The only person who wasn't improving and was doing quite badly was the one person who was taking all (and I mean ALL) the traditional meds and was having a difficult time taking more than 100 mg. of mino a week. Everyone else was doing much better on the AP. Around that time, I also started checking out my rheum's reputation a little more because I felt he wasn't monitoring me properly and only seemed interested in pushing prescriptions. I confirmed that that was, indeed, his reputation, even among the medical community, and with that, I decided I would continue to resist his prescriptions and would go to see a more respected doctor, who I'm scheduled to finally see next month. In the meantime, I'm finding I'm able to manage fairly well by listening to my body, resting when I need to, getting some mild exercise every day and changing my lifestyle to reduce my stress. I'm at the point where I only take an NSAID every other day or less, along with the AP (I also have a very high pain threshold). I can't say I'm doing great but I'm doing better than I was and at least I'm not also dealing with being sick from drug side effects, which always is a problem for me no matter what I take (I even had an allergic reaction to birth control pills years ago, which is something my ob/gyn said he'd never seen). I've decided that if I start having more trouble than I can handle on the AP alone, I'll try my mom's treatment route next. I'm fairly young and I feel I have too many years ahead of me for me to start taking toxic drugs now because I have too many years for the dangerous side effects to catch up with me. Perhaps if I was 30 years older, I'd feel differently. Hope that clears things up and sorry this was so long. a Peden " HOLMES, MARK T. " wrote: > > From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.) > > You know as I read all these comments of how everyone deals with their > disease, I still think it would be helpful to understand the background of > one's disease and what they've done, how many joints they've had replaced, > their experiences with docs, etc,etc. The suggestion below is not to follow > what conventional docs suggest (and I'm not singling out a in this > regard, but her note made me think about this again). Well, if I was a > newbie I might think that was the right thing to do, but not necessarily > know why that person feels that way. It may not be the right choice for > someone with an aggressive case of the disease. So once again, I appeal to > those of you out there to offer up your stories so we can understand better > why you make the choices you do. > 4 stories are available at > /files/rheumatic/Biographies/ > Surely out of some 300 participants here, a few more could take 10 minutes > to write up a short personal/medical history? I've even offered to post > them if you would just email me the story. > > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 Ladies I thought I would ask, are there many more of us out there that have not yet shared your story? Esp ladies who maybe have there story here, but not on the other site(explantation.com) now would be a great time to get it posted over there, if you have not yet done so. I would like to remind you all that these stories are very very important and that the fact is the more of them that are out there the more we are taken seriously. There is definetly stregnth is numbers. I know that women who are considering implants esp are the ones who want to believe the implants are safe, and those ladies go to the pro sites and see tons of happy implant stories and believe them, but when they see how many of us had problems it has impact. If they only see a couple of course they can chalk it up to bad luck, but I feel that when they see 100's of them, they certainly have to look closer. We have almost 400 members on this site. Just think about that, if all 370 of us had our stories posted on a few different sites, that is serious impact! Anyhow, thanks ladies for helping to make this site so wonderful you are all so special and strong. hugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Thanks , The stories will be about many different ailments that are being treated with LDN. I figured with your e-mail name "cure rett now" that you were working with Rett. I will send you a copy of the welcome e-mail and some posts regarding cancer My best Aletha [low dose naltrexone] stories Hi Aletha,My story is not about MS - it's about rett, and my daughter. Rett is also an autistic disease.I forget now how I started looking at LDN, but naltrexone has been tried at higher levels with rett kids, with some good and bad effects.Long story short, I look at everything... rett has and underlying mecp2 mutation, which is something that cancer researchers also work in,although rett syndrome and cancer are very very different...I guess I just look at it all, and I've been involved in special needs groups for a long long time.My cousin has MS however, and my neighbor has MS, and from that point of view, I remain interested in LDN also. My neighbor alsohas brain cancer, and I see LDN being looked at for head/neck cancer - I think I read something about Dr. Zargon looking at that.Anyway, I'm not sure I can help with an LDN story just yet.... but I'm quite curious about this approach, and wish to understand better why/howit works and helps so many different issues... I've also joined an autism/LDN group, and I think a cancer/LDN group... I'm just trying to get my armsaround this whole thing.In terms of discussing clinical trials, dosing issues, animal testing, pharmaceuticals, non-pharma approaches, academic approaches - well, it's all the same basic thing... doesn't matter the disease... and I think that's how I got into this back and forth email. We've had to look at many avenues for my daughter.I'm curious, has anyone approach NORD about LDN? About stories or research dollars (if they do that) - the National Org of Rare Disease? I could be wrong, but is MS concerned a rare disease? I forget the ratio they look at... but they do cover lots of disorders ...Thanks,On Apr 25, 2008, at 4:10 AM, low dose naltrexone wrote:3c. Re: human trialsPosted by: "Aletha Wittmann" AletharedshiftDate: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:13 pm ((PDT))Dear ,Do I have a copy of your story? I would love to have one if you are OK with that. We are looking into putting a non-profit book of short stories together for LDN and its different uses. It would be a simple to read non-scientific book of peoples stories.Thanks so muchAletha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Hello ~ So awesome of you to help your sister N law...... She is very lucky to have you care so. First I would like to tell you that all breast implants are made of Silicone ! They are just filled with different things. The body reacts to foreign bodies by the macrophages attacking them and this goes for implants as well. As the body attacks them, little flecks of silicone get disbursed into the blood and surrounding tissues and travels around everywhere it can. Some of it can get encapsulated and grow granulomas or siliconomas, or even get lodged into lymph nodes. Saline has a shelf life of about 2 years. After that all kinds of organisms can grow inside there. Some saline implants have faulty valves and there is a bi-directional flow problem that allows all kinds of bodily fluids into the implants and things out of the implants into the body. Have you seen the photos of the implants full of black mold and things ? ? Here is a list of the chemicals in the manufacturing of silicone for breast implants, I have been working on putting the toxicology info with the different chemicals. I am not finished but will post what I have: Any doctor that says these toxic bags of chemicals cannot cause a body harm is not being honest..... I will post some more things separately.... 1)Methyl Ethyl Ketone http://www.evol.nw.ru/~spirov/hazard/methyl_ethyl_ketone.html Methyl Ethyl Ketone 2)Cyclobexanone 3)Isopropyl Alcohol 4)Denatured Alcohol 5)Acetone 6)Urethane 7)Poly vinyl Chloride 8)Lacquer Thinner 9)Ethyl Acetate 10)Epoxy Resin 11)Epoxy Hardener 12)Amine is actually ~ Dichlorophenoxyacetic 2,4 Common trade names:4-D Amine Alkali or amine salts or esters of 2,4-D are used as herbicide sagainst broad-leaf weeds in cereal crops, as well as on pastures and lawns, at rates of about 0.2-2.0 kg active ingredient (acidequivalent)/ha. Esters are also used at rates of up to 6 kg (acidequivalent)/ha to suppress weeds, brush, and some trees. Granular formulations are used as aquatic herbicides at rates of 1-122 kg/ha.At very low foliar application rates (20-40 mg 2,4-D/litre spraywater), 2,4-D can be used as a growth regulator. The results of studies on whether occupational exposure to 2,4-D may result in chromosome abnormalities are conflicting. The results of some epidemiological studies have suggested an association between exposure to phenoxy herbicides, including 2,4-D, and increased incidences of malignant tumours and tumour mortality. It is not clear,at present, whether this represents a true association, and if so,whether it is specifically related to 2,4-D. Human beings who work regularly with 2,4-D should undergo periodic medical examination with emphasis on the neurological status, muscular and cardiovascular system, liver and kidney functioning, and effectson skin and eyes. Supervisors and workers should be alert to symptoms of toxic exposure and know how to give first aid. Dichlorophenoxyacetic 2,4- (HSG 5, 1987) http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg005.htm 13)Printing Ink 14)Toluene 15)Freon 16)Silica 17)Flux 18)Solder ]19)Chlorplatinic Acid 20)Metal Cleaning Acid 21)Formaldehyde Formaldehyde is used as a preservative in cosmetics and in nail-hardening agents. Traces can also be found in cosmetics resulting from the disinfection of apparatus used in their manufacture. Products containing formaldehyde are used for other purposes, e.g.,antiperspirants, skin-hardening agents, dry-skin lotion, shampoos, andbubble bath oil. There is some natural formaldehyde in raw food, levels ranging from1 to 90 mg/kg. Accidental contamination of food may occur during fumigation. Formaldehyde is sometimes used as a preservative, or it maybe produced during cooking. In in vitro studies, formaldehyde interfered with DNA repair in humancells, but there are no data relating to mutagenic outcomes. Major sources of formaldehyde are automobile and aircraft exhaustemissions, tobacco smoke, natural gas, fossil fuels, waste incineration,and oil refineries. Formaldehyde is positive in a wide range of mutagenicity test systems invitro; results of in vivo test systems are conflicting. It has been shown to form DNA-protein cross-links in vitro and in vivo in rat nasal mucosa. In vivo, this occurred at an exposure concentration of1.1 mg/m3. Formaldehyde interferes with DNA repair in human cells in vitro.Following inhalation exposure at levels causing cell damage, asignificant incidence of squamous cell carcinomas of the nasal cavity was induced in two strains of rat. A limited number of forestomach papillomas were reported in rats following the administration of formaldehyde in the drinking-water.In human beings, though an increased risk for a number of cancers has been reported, the causal role of formaldehyde is considered likely only for nasal and nasopharyngeal cancer. Human exposure to formaldehyde should be controlled. Cosmetics (creams) containing formaldehyde should be suitably labelled,giving the concentration. Levels in oral health products should bestrictly limited. Lots of formaldehyde exposure from many resources, add an implant with constant exposure, and ....... Formaldehyde (HSG 57, 1991) http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg057.htm 22)Talcum Powder 23)Color Pigmentation (Printers Ink) 24)Oakite 25)Cyanoacyrylates 26)Ethylene Oxide Its major use is as an intermediate in the production of variouschemicals including: the antifreeze, ethylene glycol; polyethyleneterephthalate polyester for fibres, films, and bottles; non-ionicsurface active agents; glycol ethers; ethanolamines; and choline. Asmall fraction of the total consumption (less than 1%) is used for thefumigation and sterilization of foodstuffs and medical equipment. Respiratory tract irritation increases with inhaled vapour concentration and may result in severe life-threatening pulmonary disease after a latency period of severalhours. Cardiovascular collapse and renal failure have been attributedto residues of ethylene oxide in medical equipment.a Case reportsand the results of animal studies indicate that sensorimotor neuropathies may follow repeated exposure to concentrations ofethylene oxide recognizable by its odour (approximately 900 mg/m3 ormore). Anaphylactic reactions have been reported during haemodialysis,when using equipment sterilized with ethylene oxide.Dermatological effects in man following skin contact with aqueousethylene oxide include erythema, oedema, and vesiculation, in that order. The severity of the skin injury is related to concentration (a50% solution (500 g/litre) being most hazardous) and duration of contact. When liquid ethylene oxide vapourizes, it can result in afreeze burn. On repeated exposure, ethylene oxide may cause allergic contact dermatitis. Aqueous solutions of ethylene oxide and its conversion products are irritating to the eyes and can produce corneal injury. Ethylene oxide vapour or residues in medical equipment have also been observed to produce irritant effects on the eyes and the respiratory tract. The irritant effects on the eyes and skin are often delayed. Cataracts have occurred following repeated exposure to concentrations of the vapour recognizable by its odour (approximately900 mg/m3). In man, ethylene oxide may induce chromosomal aberrations and sisterchromatid exchanges in lymphocytes and micronuclei in erythroytes atair concentrations that can be found in the work place. Tissuedistribution studies have provided evidence that ethylene oxidereaches the gonads, supporting the findings of heritable mutations ininsects and rodents. Therefore, ethylene oxide may be considered apotential human mutagen for both somatic and germ cells. Taking into account available data concerning the alkylating nature of ethylene oxide, the demonstration of DNA adducts, the overwhelming positive in vivo responses in mutagenic and clastogenic assays, the reproducible positive carcinogenic findings in animals, and the epidemiological findings suggesting an increase in the incidence of human cancer, ethylene oxide should be considered as a probable human carcinogen, and its levels in the environment should be kept as low as feasible. Taking into account all the available data, ethylene oxide should beconsidered as a mutagen and a probable human carcinogen. It may posea reproductive hazard. Its levels in the environment should be kept as low as possible. So, if it is to be kept low as possible, then implanting it into a human is out of the question ? ? Ethylene oxide (HSG 16, 1988) http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg016.htm 27)Carob Black 28)Xylene 29)Hexone 30)Benzene 31)Hexanone 2 32)Thixon-OSN-2 33)Rubber 34)Acid Stearic 35)Zinc Oxide 36)Naptha WikiAnswers - What is naptha Naptha is a common name for the industrial solvent Petroleum Ether. Other names include benzine, X-4, or Lingroin. Chemically, naptha is a mixture of straight chained hydrocarbon-ethers, straight chained alkanes, as well as some aromatic hydrocarbons. The actual composition of the naptha will depend on its boiling point (indicative of the distillation temperature). Naphtha is a product of crude oil distillation in an atmospheric distillation unit. The refineries often produce a light naphta blend and a heavier naphtha which is can be used as a gasoline additive. Naptha is also extremely effective at solvating non-polar compounds and is used frequently in organic chemistry. 37)Phenol Phenol is mainly used for the manufacture of phenolic resins, bisphenol A, and caprolactam. Other products are alkylphenols, xylenol, cresol, and adipic acid. Minor uses include the production of germicidal paints, pharmaceutical products, dyes, and indicators, and the use of phenols as a laboratory reagent, a slimicide, and a general disinfectant. Phenol is readily absorbed from any media; it is rapidly distributed to all tissues. The liver, the lung, and the gastrointestinal mucosa are the most important sites of phenol metabolism. In vivo and in vitro studies have demonstrated covalent binding to tissue and plasma proteins. Urinary excretion is the major route of phenol disposal in animals and humans. A minor part is eliminated in the faeces and expired air. Gastrointestinal irritation was reported following ingestion of phenol. Painless blanching, or effects ranging from erythema to corrosion and deep necrosis, occurred following dermal exposure. Main systemic effects included cardiac dysrhythmias, respiratory distress, metabolic acidosis, renal failure, dark urine, methaemoglobinaemia, neurological effects, cardiovascular shock, coma, and death. The lowest reported fatal dose was 4.8 g by ingestion; death occurred within 19 min. Exposure of the general population to phenol mainly occurs by inhalation. Minor oral exposure may arise through the consumption of smoked food or drinking-water. So, the dailey exposure we get added to the implant that has a constant flow of toxins, sounds lethal ! Individuals, potentially exposed to phenol, should undergo periodic medical examination with emphasis on effects on the skin, respiratory tract, central nervous system, liver, and kidneys. Phenol (HSG 88, 1994) http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg88_e.htm 38)Methylene Chloride Methylene chloride is widely used as a solvent and paint remover. It is also used as a blowing agent for polyurethane, as a propellant in aerosols such as insecticides, hair sprays, shampoos, and paints, as acomponent in fire-extinguishing products, as an insecticidal fumigant for grains, and as a coolant or refrigerant. Absorption of liquid methylene chloride via the skin is slow.Methylene chloride is rapidly absorbed via the gastrointestinal tract and crosses the placenta and blood-brain barrier. Methylene chloride is mutagenic in bacteria, fungi, and in the fruitfly. However, the results of most tests on mammalian somatic cells,including human cells, have been negative. So, what about one with a systemic fungal or bacterial infection ? ? is it mutagenic then ? ? Methylene chloride can react with iron, so does this mean it also reacts with human blood ? ? Just a thought Impairment of psychomotor performance occurs after a 4-h exposure to2610 mg/m3. Narcosis occurred following exposure to 69000 mg/m3 for30 min.Individuals with heart disease may be especially at risk when exposed to methylene chloride, because of the deficiency of oxygen induced by carbon monoxide, bound to haemoglobin. The main chronic effects in human beings are nervous system depression and an elevated carboxyhaemoglobin concentration in the blood. methylenechloride should be regarded as a potential human carcinogen. Methylene chloride (HSG 6, 1987) http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg006.htm 39)Platinum Salt **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Hi, and God bless you for caring about your sister in law... I know how hard it is to convince women that their implants may be causing trouble when our comments are in opposition to what doctors say. My own husband had a hard time believing it was really the implants after the doctors said it wasn't, even though I showed him the stories from other women that I got by email. He thought they were all making up drama stories, so it is a tough thing to convince someone if they are in denial. Have you gone to our files section and opened the folder with the stories from our members? There you will find about 2 dozen stories from women who got sick from their implants and some have included their recovery stories after explant, so those would be good to print off and show her. I think the folder with those stories is the first folder under our files section, called " A Real Look at Life with Breast Implants " . We will keep this situation in prayer and please let us know how things go. Thanks for joining, and caring about finding the truth. Patty > > i just joined this group on may 9th because i suspect that my sister in laws illnesses are being caused by her saline implants (i posted a message on may 9th) thank-you to everyone who got back to me. i am now going to have to try and convince her that this is a possibility and i dont think it will be that easy since she has been told by doctors that it is not (ofcourse it is possible that its not her implants, but i strongly believe that it is). i would greatly appreciate a few women sharing there stories, especially stating what symptoms they experienced and what they were diagnosed with before they discovered it was the implants. thank-you all so much, i am so grateful for having found this group. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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