Re: diet before castor oil packs

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Those are the classic symptoms of gallstones. It sounds like you move one out last night but it didn't stay in the bile duct long enough to cause you the more serious pain associated with an attack.

It sounds to me like you ate good and that the gallbladder is trying to accommodate you by getting some of its undesired contents out.

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From: Wykes

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Subject: diet before castor oil packs

I've never actually had a gallbladder attack, so it is very interestingto hear that the hard belly can precede a bad attack. To date, I havehad long term pain that is not too severe.... that goes from right underthe ribs on the right side through to my back. Sometimes it lasts fordays. Last night I also felt a sharp pain in the gallbladder, which Ihave not had before. It didn't last, was very quick.For supper last night, I had guacamole (avocado, tomato, onion, & alittle lemon juice) on toast, 1/2 a banana and a soyburger pattie. Withwater. Then shortly before I went to bed I had some herbal tea, a fewalmonds, and a tablespoon of lecithin.

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Avocado is very high in fat. I think it's the gall bladder contracting and

trying to break down the fat in the bile, all the while trying to push the

stone around that causes the pain - that 's what causes an attack.

Switching to a low fat diet is the first thing you're told to do after

you're diagnosed with a gall stone. Believe me, you'd know it if you had an

attack! They can last anywhere from 30 minutes to several hours and the

pain can be acute. I've had two attacks now - the first one I passed off as

(no pun intended!) bad gas. Felt like a huge bubble pushing against my ribs.

My husband massaged my back until I was able to fall back asleep (they

always seem to happen at night). The second one delivered excruciating pain

this time, as my husband put it, " you've had two children with back labor,

33 hour and 20 hour labors, with no drugs...you know what pain is! We're

goin to the hospital! " That's when I got to meet my new friend, Mr.

cherry-sized, all by himself, gallstone! The second attack was followed by

about four days of achiness under my ribs on the right side. It's

interesting to note that my back was kind of sore all that day thru the

right shoulder, preceding the attack that night...Hope this helps - avoid

those avacado's!!! Isn't it a drag? I love Mexican food!

Good Luck,

Dina

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From: " Wykes " <maryyx@...>

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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 9:52 AM

Subject: diet before castor oil packs

> I've never actually had a gallbladder attack, so it is very interesting

> to hear that the hard belly can precede a bad attack. To date, I have

> had long term pain that is not too severe.... that goes from right under

> the ribs on the right side through to my back. Sometimes it lasts for

> days. Last night I also felt a sharp pain in the gallbladder, which I

> have not had before. It didn't last, was very quick.

>

> For supper last night, I had guacamole (avocado, tomato, onion, & a

> little lemon juice) on toast, 1/2 a banana and a soyburger pattie. With

> water. Then shortly before I went to bed I had some herbal tea, a few

> almonds, and a tablespoon of lecithin.

>

>

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From: " Wykes " <maryyx@...>

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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 11:52 AM

Subject: diet before castor oil packs

>Last night I also felt a sharp pain in the gallbladder, which I

> have not had before. It didn't last, was very quick.

This is post-cleanse experience as I recollect, so I feel it could be

beneficial to understand that an olive oil flush is an obviously unnatural

act which causes a short-tem " shock " (some say) or a temporary " stress "

(others say) to the liver/gallbladder. This is one of the reasons that diet

both pre and post cleanse are, ideally, absent of fatty and concentrated

foods: to allow the liver to, gracefully, prepare--and recover. The more

congested the liver, the longer a prep time and the longer a recuperative

period.

Just in case it isn't clear what fatty and concentrated foods means, in this

context, they are the foods people generally crave and of which they tend to

eat too much and in too many various combinations or mixtures, often in

dishes that contain their own " antidotes " , which are often, themselves, in

concentrated form.

For example, here's a break-down assessment of your meal:

>

> For supper last night, I had guacamole

" avocado " --a concentrated fat, that also contains volatile compounds that

have the potential to interfere with the assimilation of the fat

" tomato " --an acidic antidote to the fat in the avocado that taken in direct

combination with the avocado may also interfere with its assimilation by

response of the liver and by its coagulating action on the molecules in the

avocado

" onion " --a concentrate and a hot-bed of volatile compounds that when

disturbed by cutting or chewing release molecules of ammonia, pyruvic acid,

and various disulfide compounds with distinct " onion-y " odors, including

lachrymator which, when dissolved in body fluids, produces sulfuric acid.

Lachrymator in combination with the fluid in the eyes produces sulfuric

acid--the cause of the " tearing " of the eyes during onion preparation.

These volatile compounds can be arrested, stabilized, and transformed into

benign substances by heat, during cooking.

" a little lemon juice " )--citric acid, an antidote, to the concentrated fat,

again, except, unlike the tomato, it is in a highly concentrated form with

more potential for interference with assimilation of the fat both by manner

of stimulation to the liver and the action of coagulation on the avocado

" on toast " --at best, a grain-based (grains are questionable in their own

right as a food even before being pulverized, unsprouted, into flour)

dehydrated, complex " mixture " lacking in natural ratios of fluid to solids

known as " bread " that has now been dehydrated (molecularly condensed by

water-removal), yet again, making digestion that much more difficult as

" toast " . If it was " whole grain " , so much the worse in terms of complexity

combined with dehydration.

" 1/2 a banana " --a fairly complex, starchy matrix loaded with a high

percentage of sugars; as " fruits " go, not enough fluid to be considered kind

to the liver; may contain inhibitors, more so, if not deeply ripe

" and a soyburger pattie " --soy is a legume, a hard, dry concentrated

incomplete protein that contains highly controversial, potentially toxic

elements--before we even talk about what else was in the mix. Difficult on

the basis of being any type of mixture.

> with water.

Water dilutes the gastric secretions and is supposed (according to most any

health counselor I've ever met or read) to be spaced well apart from meals,

the more distance between foods and water, the better, unless you're just

dying of thirst. My personal opinion about a meal is that if it causes

thirst enough to bring one's attention to water, then there is something

inappropriate about the meal for that person. In this case, it could easily

have short-circuited the liver's ability to handle the fat in the avocado,

in such a way as to produce " an attack " ; add it to all the mixtures and

concentrates above and you have a " recipe " for problems, on a good day, let

alone, right after the liver has undergone a major stress.

Everything above ingested in one sitting sounds like an impossible slurry of

confusion for a fatigued liver/gallbladder to sort out.

" Then shortly before I went to bed I had some herbal tea " --depending on the

herb, this might have been the most diffuse and chemically kindest thing you

did for your liver,

and could have done it a bigger favor by leaving out

a few

> almonds--which shouldn't be consumed with the water and are highly

concentrated, fatty, and loaded with enzyme inhibitors (anti-vitaminic

substances that interfere with assmilation of their own nutrients and those

ingested in other foods eaten in proximity to them.

and a tablespoon of lecithin--most likely soy-derived, and therefore,

controversial on that basis alone, plus a coagulated concentrate that would

make better walllpaper paste, IF you could spread it. (IMO)

Gentle, warm (but not hot) teas sipped slowly, soft, juicy fruits, a little

home-made applesauce, and some soft, steamed spinach are what come to my

mind for immediately post-cleanse. I'd eat one food at a time, drink my

teas, separately, venture out from that point, slowly, and not be sitting

down to any big " meals " any time real soon.

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Actually Dina, I am following Dr. Cabot's Liver Cleansing Diet.... and

am eating lots of foods that have the Omega 3 and Omega 6 essential

fatty acids. I have basically felt better since starting to eat these

foods, and avoiding all of the saturated fats, and damaged fats.

Polkinghorne wrote:

>

> -

>

> Avocado is very high in fat. I think it's the gall bladder contracting and

> trying to break down the fat in the bile, all the while trying to push the

> stone around that causes the pain - that 's what causes an attack.

> Switching to a low fat diet is the first thing you're told to do after

> you're diagnosed with a gall stone. Believe me, you'd know it if you had an

> attack! They can last anywhere from 30 minutes to several hours and the

> pain can be acute. I've had two attacks now - the first one I passed off as

> (no pun intended!) bad gas. Felt like a huge bubble pushing against my ribs.

> My husband massaged my back until I was able to fall back asleep (they

> always seem to happen at night). The second one delivered excruciating pain

> this time, as my husband put it, " you've had two children with back labor,

> 33 hour and 20 hour labors, with no drugs...you know what pain is! We're

> goin to the hospital! " That's when I got to meet my new friend, Mr.

> cherry-sized, all by himself, gallstone! The second attack was followed by

> about four days of achiness under my ribs on the right side. It's

> interesting to note that my back was kind of sore all that day thru the

> right shoulder, preceding the attack that night...Hope this helps - avoid

> those avacado's!!! Isn't it a drag? I love Mexican food!

>

> Good Luck,

> Dina

>

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> From: " Wykes " <maryyx@...>

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> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 9:52 AM

> Subject: diet before castor oil packs

>

> > I've never actually had a gallbladder attack, so it is very interesting

> > to hear that the hard belly can precede a bad attack. To date, I have

> > had long term pain that is not too severe.... that goes from right under

> > the ribs on the right side through to my back. Sometimes it lasts for

> > days. Last night I also felt a sharp pain in the gallbladder, which I

> > have not had before. It didn't last, was very quick.

> >

> > For supper last night, I had guacamole (avocado, tomato, onion, & a

> > little lemon juice) on toast, 1/2 a banana and a soyburger pattie. With

> > water. Then shortly before I went to bed I had some herbal tea, a few

> > almonds, and a tablespoon of lecithin.

> >

> >

> >

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Your right about avocado's being high in fat but the thing about them is that it is an EFA and not a saturated or hydrogenated fat. So, her eating it would be something like having taken in more than the usual amount of EFAs for the day and very well could mean she did a minor flush without planning to have done so. Otherwise you are correct in the gallbladder's attempts to bile it out.

DaleDa_@...

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From: Polkinghorne

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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 11:53 AM

Subject: Re: diet before castor oil packs

-Avocado is very high in fat. I think it's the gall bladder contracting andtrying to break down the fat in the bile, all the while trying to push thestone around that causes the pain - that 's what causes an attack.Switching to a low fat diet is the first thing you're told to do afteryou're diagnosed with a gall stone. Believe me, you'd know it if you had anattack! They can last anywhere from 30 minutes to several hours and thepain can be acute. I've had two attacks now - the first one I passed off as(no pun intended!) bad gas. Felt like a huge bubble pushing against my ribs.My husband massaged my back until I was able to fall back asleep (theyalways seem to happen at night). The second one delivered excruciating painthis time, as my husband put it, "you've had two children with back labor,33 hour and 20 hour labors, with no drugs...you know what pain is! We'regoin to the hospital!" That's when I got to meet my new friend, Mr.cherry-sized, all by himself, gallstone! The second attack was followed byabout four days of achiness under my ribs on the right side. It'sinteresting to note that my back was kind of sore all that day thru theright shoulder, preceding the attack that night...Hope this helps - avoidthose avacado's!!! Isn't it a drag? I love Mexican food!Good Luck,Dina----- Original Message -----From: " Wykes" <maryyx@...><gallstonesegroups>Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 9:52 AMSubject: diet before castor oil packs> I've never actually had a gallbladder attack, so it is very interesting> to hear that the hard belly can precede a bad attack. To date, I have> had long term pain that is not too severe.... that goes from right under> the ribs on the right side through to my back. Sometimes it lasts for> days. Last night I also felt a sharp pain in the gallbladder, which I> have not had before. It didn't last, was very quick.>> For supper last night, I had guacamole (avocado, tomato, onion, & a> little lemon juice) on toast, 1/2 a banana and a soyburger pattie. With> water. Then shortly before I went to bed I had some herbal tea, a few> almonds, and a tablespoon of lecithin.>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds!> 1. Fill in the brief application> 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds> 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR> 1/5197/4/_/298354/_/960742397/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------>> You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to thegallstonesegroups.

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Yes, the focus on the EFA's (essential fatty acids) seems to be making a

real, positive difference for me. Flax seed, sunflower seed & almonds

for example make up a mixture that Dr. Cabot highly recommends being

used every day in order to have a rounded intake of the EFA's. Avocado

is also on her list of good foods for the liver. Prior to beginning her

program, I had a constant, dull pain in the area of my gallbladder.

There has been a major difference in how I feel.... in a positive

way.... since beginning the Liver Cleansing Diet.

Your hypothesis, Dale, that perhaps I passed a stone after using the

castor oil pack, seems very plausible. Also, I had forgotten, that I

had used a whole orange in my juice that morning.... so I suppose

another possibility could have been a reaction to the orange rind...

which I now know is not good for me.

Another thing I have noticed since beginning the Liver Cleansing Diet is

that I am not craving sweets....which have been my nemesis for a long

time. So I feel that my body is saying " yes! " to this new way of

eating.