Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I was contacted by Helliker, a senior editor for the Wall Street Journal this morning inquiring about EtG. He asked that anyone else in my situation contact him. I hope that everyone in this discussion group who has suffered the consequences of a positive EtG test in the absence of any alcoholic beverage consumption will contact him. His e-mail is .Helliker@.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I agree, how do we know there isn't already someone here doing that or for that matter someone lurking that is from " the other side " ? We don't....At least she is honest and told what she is and what she wants to do... Re: Journalist But how do you know that someone here is not already doing this? These lists are moderated, but not that well - there is no background check on anyone! I can pretty much assure you that there are already people here that you would not choose to post publicly in front of... Now someone has come forward and been honest. We are not giving her our names and contact info. I don;t know, just seems discriminatory to say to to someone who wants to gather info here. We are all here for that. : ) Crisanti Student Acupuncturist, Tai Sophia Institute Canyon Creek Labs and Great Danes www.canyoncreeklabs.com On Jan 29, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Deborah Ellard wrote: > I will not continue to post openly if I feel there is someone > collecting data. There are more than enough people out there openly > objecting to vaccines and willing to talk, infact people are > desperate to talk. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Thank you for saying this. You make an excellent point. is right, I would be darn surprised if the " other side " isn't here already in some form. If we're going to do this for her, ask for lists of questions or whatever, then it needs to apply to everyone wanting to be in the group. You can't be discriminatory towards one person simply for their occupation. Hell, I used to work in the allopathic medical field and until I joined this list and started doing research I thought vaccines were ok. SHould I be thrown out? I had the brainwashing of the medical field when I joined here! And heaven knows people on this list and others complain about how we're portrayed in the media, yet this very well could be someone who is looking for the real other side---and yet people want to censor her. Plus WE look like the nutty ones for not wanting open and honest discussion from her. I get that we want to protect ourselves from more bad publicity and one-sided arguements.....but if we keep doing this, then the truth and the other side will never get heard if we assume that every journalist is out to get us. If Sheri or Sue points out what this group is for, talks about the general feeling of the topic here, explains that we want to be heard and not portrayed as nuts, gets a general feel of her and sees that that she's open-minded...what is the harm? We have nothing to hide, we have science and logic on our side. If it turns out to be bad, then I and others will eat my words, but the manta in the criminal justice field is " innocent until proven guilty. " These should be applied here as well. ---- Crisanti <canyon13@...> wrote: > But how do you know that someone here is not already doing this? > These lists are moderated, but not that well - there is no background > check on anyone! I can pretty much assure you that there are already > people here that you would not choose to post publicly in front of... > Now someone has come forward and been honest. We are not giving her > our names and contact info. I don;t know, just seems discriminatory > to say to to someone who wants to gather info here. We are all here > for that. > : ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 In defense of the people who are against this journalist I think the main difference is that they believed when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri asking every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see no discrimination in not letting her in. No one cares what her profession is, only about the context of her information and how it may be used. Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get on this list to learn from a group who far to many are learning themselves is ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most learned of you. But how could I teach this person a fraction of what 30 years and hundreds of books I have read not to mention my 30 years of learning about the non sense of the Allopath profession in a verse here or a verse there. Sheri I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last thing you want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to make a decision. Do what you feel in your Heart is right. It will turn out, after all this is your show, and I would never leave it because I disagreed with your position, in fact of which I do disagree with. I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe honesty is the best policy. Jim ________________________________ From: " thefragile73931@... " <thefragile73931@...> Vaccinations Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:56:33 AM Subject: Re: Journalist Thank you for saying this. You make an excellent point. is right, I would be darn surprised if the " other side " isn't here already in some form. If we're going to do this for her, ask for lists of questions or whatever, then it needs to apply to everyone wanting to be in the group. You can't be discriminatory towards one person simply for their occupation. Hell, I used to work in the allopathic medical field and until I joined this list and started doing research I thought vaccines were ok. SHould I be thrown out? I had the brainwashing of the medical field when I joined here! And heaven knows people on this list and others complain about how we're portrayed in the media, yet this very well could be someone who is looking for the real other side---and yet people want to censor her. Plus WE look like the nutty ones for not wanting open and honest discussion from her. I get that we want to protect ourselves from more bad publicity and one-sided arguements.. ....but if we keep doing this, then the truth and the other side will never get heard if we assume that every journalist is out to get us. If Sheri or Sue points out what this group is for, talks about the general feeling of the topic here, explains that we want to be heard and not portrayed as nuts, gets a general feel of her and sees that that she's open-minded. ..what is the harm? We have nothing to hide, we have science and logic on our side. If it turns out to be bad, then I and others will eat my words, but the manta in the criminal justice field is " innocent until proven guilty. " These should be applied here as well. ---- Crisanti <canyon13comcast (DOT) net> wrote: > But how do you know that someone here is not already doing this? > These lists are moderated, but not that well - there is no background > check on anyone! I can pretty much assure you that there are already > people here that you would not choose to post publicly in front of... > Now someone has come forward and been honest. We are not giving her > our names and contact info. I don;t know, just seems discriminatory > to say to to someone who wants to gather info here. We are all here > for that. > : ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Joining lists like this is how people learn. We all learn together, regardless of where we are in learning about vaccines. We're not here to " teach, " more to learn. We seek outside sources that we may have never heard about before, had we not joined this group. My first thought was to join MDC and find discussion groups such as this, not books or internet sites because it was too overwhelming and I had no idea who had vested interests, who were just kooks, who had no real good information. Everyone has to start somewhere. I have, and it was with this group. Thankfully I didn't mention my background...I would have hated to have been the subject of a discussion like this. And yes, I do believe her profession is what has people up in arms, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue whether to let her in or not. Several people have expressly said they do not want her in due to her being a journalist. This list IS private, only people on the inside can see the info. If she's in, then she's told taht nothing can be re-printed elsewhere without expressed permission, and if it happens, Sheri can taken what action she likes. THe gloves aren't on, and never were, but opinions and reason and logic are allowed...from both sides. ---- Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote: > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I think the main difference is that they believed > when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri asking every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see no discrimination in not letting her in. No one cares what her profession is, only about the context of her information and how it may be used. > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get on this list to learn from a group who far to many are learning themselves is ridiculous.  I probably  know as much as the most learned of you. But how could I teach this person a fraction of what 30 years and hundreds of books I have read not to mention my 30 years of learning about the non sense of the Allopath profession in a verse here or a verse there. > > Sheri > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last thing you want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to make a decision. Do what you feel in your Heart is right. It will turn out, after all this is your show, and I would never leave it because I disagreed with your position, in fact of which I do disagree with. > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe honesty is the best policy. > > Jim > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I agree... Yet I do want to know her name, which paper/station/etc she works for and what her angle is. Does she want to see our side of the story? Does she think we are nutcases? Or is she really interested in presenting a fair story? I never read a piece in any paper that portrayed non-vaxxers as good, educated people. Especially now after the " outbreak " of HiB. I'm just cautious. I think it's ok for her to join, but we all should know who she is and where she works. And she must know that she can only cite us with direct permission. My 2 cents.... thefragile73931@... wrote: > > Joining lists like this is how people learn. We all learn together, > regardless of where we are in learning about vaccines. We're not here > to " teach, " more to learn. We seek outside sources that we may have > never heard about before, had we not joined this group. My first > thought was to join MDC and find discussion groups such as this, not > books or internet sites because it was too overwhelming and I had no > idea who had vested interests, who were just kooks, who had no real > good information. Everyone has to start somewhere. I have, and it was > with this group. Thankfully I didn't mention my background...I would > have hated to have been the subject of a discussion like this. > > And yes, I do believe her profession is what has people up in arms, > otherwise it wouldn't be an issue whether to let her in or not. > Several people have expressly said they do not want her in due to her > being a journalist. This list IS private, only people on the inside > can see the info. If she's in, then she's told taht nothing can be > re-printed elsewhere without expressed permission, and if it happens, > Sheri can taken what action she likes. THe gloves aren't on, and never > were, but opinions and reason and logic are allowed...from both sides. > > ---- Jim O <jimokelly@... <mailto:jimokelly%40>> > wrote: > > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I think the > main difference is that they believed > > when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri asking > every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see no > discrimination in not letting her in. No one cares what her profession > is, only about the context of her information and how it may be used. > > > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get on > this list to learn from a group who far to many are learning > themselves is ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most > learned of you. But how could I teach this person a fraction of what > 30 years and hundreds of books I have read not to mention my 30 years > of learning about the non sense of the Allopath profession in a verse > here or a verse there. > > > > Sheri > > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last thing > you want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to make a > decision. Do what you feel in your Heart is right. It will turn out, > after all this is your show, and I would never leave it because I > disagreed with your position, in fact of which I do disagree with. > > > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe > honesty is the best policy. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I never joined any list or organization to learn. I don't know if their were any around at that time. I got my first shot of truth from people who understood health. Folks like Herbert Shelton, Bragg who were in the health field. The real health field. Also from fearless and intelligent medical doctors. like Isaac Jennings, T. Trall, Sylvester Graham, E. Page, Felix L. Oswald, J. , H. Tilden and of course the greatest woman health practitioner that the nursing schools now conveniently leave out of their courses, because she proved germs don't cause disease, Florence Nightingale. If no one is here to teach, how is anyone to learn? I agree everyone has to start somewhere, but I still maintain if her true purpose is to take information from people on this list and disseminate it to the outside world then there are more scientific organizations then this one from which to draw. As far as your background and your saying you believed if I pick this up right,if not I apologize, it sounded like you were pro-vax. If you were and you were in the medical field, then all the things the medical profession were saying about people like us would have applied to you also. And if I discovered that you of course would have been a subject of discussion, at least with me. The lady could sign a no tell deposition, and it wouldn't mean a hill of beans in a court, which no one in their right mind would do anyway. Its called freedom of speech. You can't void the first amendment. A personal experience, last summer I was invited by a local newspaper to do a story on vaccines. This was a paper who knew me and I had been doing business with for years. I wrote the story. The publisher refused to run it. Said I sounded like I was one sided and trying to persuade people not to vaccinate without any substantial evidence. The only part of their statement that was not true was the substantial evidence part. I had actually wrote my story quoting the medical journal naming names, dates and places. Then the big surprise, they wrote their own versions of vaccination. As prejudice and attacking as one could get about the crazy conspiracies who want to kill baby's with vaxes in a country I never even heard of. They put my name right in the middle of it, and without my permission. They handpicked bits of my original letter and placed them in their pail of lies and garbage where it would make me look like the local bad guy. And this was a smaller paper who claimed to be family oriented. I threaten to sue, the chief said well I didn't think it was that bad. I called for a meeting with the owner, publisher,Editor, writer, and sales rep. I am still waiting. Was the nice sales lady that invited me to do a story being used? The weight of this decision is on Sher's shoulders as it should be. Jim ________________________________ From: " thefragile73931@... " <thefragile73931@...> Vaccinations Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:24:28 PM Subject: Re: Journalist Joining lists like this is how people learn. We all learn together, regardless of where we are in learning about vaccines. We're not here to " teach, " more to learn. We seek outside sources that we may have never heard about before, had we not joined this group. My first thought was to join MDC and find discussion groups such as this, not books or internet sites because it was too overwhelming and I had no idea who had vested interests, who were just kooks, who had no real good information. Everyone has to start somewhere. I have, and it was with this group. Thankfully I didn't mention my background.. .I would have hated to have been the subject of a discussion like this. And yes, I do believe her profession is what has people up in arms, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue whether to let her in or not. Several people have expressly said they do not want her in due to her being a journalist. This list IS private, only people on the inside can see the info. If she's in, then she's told taht nothing can be re-printed elsewhere without expressed permission, and if it happens, Sheri can taken what action she likes. THe gloves aren't on, and never were, but opinions and reason and logic are allowed...from both sides. ---- Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote: > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I think the main difference is that they believed > when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri asking every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see no discrimination in not letting her in. No one cares what her profession is, only about the context of her information and how it may be used. > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get on this list to learn from a group who far to many are learning themselves is ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most learned of you. But how could I teach this person a fraction of what 30 years and hundreds of books I have read not to mention my 30 years of learning about the non sense of the Allopath profession in a verse here or a verse there. > > Sheri > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last thing you want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to make a decision. Do what you feel in your Heart is right. It will turn out, after all this is your show, and I would never leave it because I disagreed with your position, in fact of which I do disagree with. > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe honesty is the best policy. > > Jim > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Sorry you went through that Jim. What a betrayal. As for this woman, she did say it was her intent to find out about the movement. Which this list would " teach " her plenty about. Unfortunately if she wants to portray the movement as a bunch of crazies theres plenty for her to use, on or off of this list. But maybe if she reads some of the good posts she will become curious about why safety tests have not been conducted to determine whether infants are capable of processing hundreds of micrograms of aluminum injected into them within 24 hours of birth. Maybe we should take the chance of being made to look like backward idiots. Meanwhile, since we know she is lurking we could try to raise the bar on the quality of the discussion here and try to share our concerns in a way that would arouse the interest of noncommital listener - rather than just preaching to our own choir. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote: > I never joined any list or organization to learn. I don't know if their > were any around at that time. > I got my first shot of truth from people who understood health. Folks like > Herbert Shelton, Bragg > who were in the health field. The real health field. Also from fearless and > intelligent medical doctors. like Isaac Jennings, T. Trall, > Sylvester Graham, E. Page, Felix L. Oswald, J. , > H. Tilden and of course the greatest woman health practitioner that the > nursing schools now conveniently leave out of their courses, because she > proved germs don't cause disease, Florence Nightingale. > > If no one is here to teach, how is anyone to learn? > > I agree everyone has to start somewhere, but I still maintain if her true > purpose is to take information from people on this list and disseminate it > to the outside world then there are more scientific organizations then this > one from which to draw. > > As far as your background and your saying you believed if I pick this up > right,if not I apologize, it sounded like you were pro-vax. If you were and > you were in the medical field, then all the things the medical profession > were saying about people like us would have applied to you also. > > And if I discovered that you of course would have been a subject of > discussion, at least with me. > > The lady could sign a no tell deposition, and it wouldn't mean a hill of > beans in a court, which no one in their right mind would do anyway. Its > called freedom of speech. You can't void the first amendment. > > A personal experience, last summer I was invited by a local newspaper to do > a story on vaccines. This was a paper who knew me and I had been doing > business with for years. I wrote the story. The publisher refused to run it. > Said I sounded like I was one sided and trying to persuade people not to > vaccinate without any substantial evidence. The only part of their statement > that was not true was the substantial evidence part. > I had actually wrote my story quoting the medical journal naming names, > dates and places. > Then the big surprise, they wrote their own versions of vaccination. As > prejudice and attacking as one could get about the crazy conspiracies who > want to kill baby's with vaxes in a country I never even heard of. > They put my name right in the middle of it, and without my permission. They > handpicked bits of my original letter and placed them in their pail of lies > and garbage where it would make me look like the local bad guy. > And this was a smaller paper who claimed to be family oriented. > > I threaten to sue, the chief said well I didn't think it was that bad. > I called for a meeting with the owner, publisher,Editor, writer, and sales > rep. > I am still waiting. > Was the nice sales lady that invited me to do a story being used? > > The weight of this decision is on Sher's shoulders as it should be. > > Jim > > > > ________________________________ > From: " thefragile73931@... <thefragile73931%40cox.net> " < > thefragile73931@... <thefragile73931%40cox.net>> > Vaccinations <Vaccinations%40> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:24:28 PM > Subject: Re: Journalist > > Joining lists like this is how people learn. We all learn together, > regardless of where we are in learning about vaccines. We're not here to > " teach, " more to learn. We seek outside sources that we may have never heard > about before, had we not joined this group. My first thought was to join MDC > and find discussion groups such as this, not books or internet sites because > it was too overwhelming and I had no idea who had vested interests, who were > just kooks, who had no real good information. Everyone has to start > somewhere. I have, and it was with this group. Thankfully I didn't mention > my background.. .I would have hated to have been the subject of a discussion > like this. > > And yes, I do believe her profession is what has people up in arms, > otherwise it wouldn't be an issue whether to let her in or not. Several > people have expressly said they do not want her in due to her being a > journalist. This list IS private, only people on the inside can see the > info. If she's in, then she's told taht nothing can be re-printed elsewhere > without expressed permission, and if it happens, Sheri can taken what action > she likes. THe gloves aren't on, and never were, but opinions and reason and > logic are allowed...from both sides. > > ---- Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote: > > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I think the main > difference is that they believed > > when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri asking > every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see no discrimination > in not letting her in. No one cares what her profession is, only about the > context of her information and how it may be used. > > > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get on this > list to learn from a group who far to many are learning themselves is > ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most learned of you. But how > could I teach this person a fraction of what 30 years and hundreds of books > I have read not to mention my 30 years of learning about the non sense of > the Allopath profession in a verse here or a verse there. > > > > Sheri > > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last thing you > want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to make a decision. Do > what you feel in your Heart is right. It will turn out, after all this is > your show, and I would never leave it because I disagreed with your > position, in fact of which I do disagree with. > > > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe honesty is > the best policy. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Jim, I just want to say Thanks for being a part of this group. I always enjoy reading your comments, and have learned much from them. Also, I want to thank you for speaking out when it has not been easy or popular. I greatly appreciate your honesty, and look forward to a day when honesty and integrity are once more considered a valuable commodity - a day when someone wouldn't think of being dishonest or " selling out " for any amount of profit. Pollyanna that I am, I would love to hear someone say " NO, not for a million dollars will I lie - just because it is not the right thing to do. " I do still believe there are people out there like that...hopefully that number will grow as we realize where all our greed and dishonesty has gotten us - a world where our children are having trouble surviving because of all the chemicals we put into everything. And what does allopathic medicine do to fix things - put more and more chemicals into our bodies. Polluting our infants in their first day of life - adding chemicals to a body that is fighting cancer - polluting our food, water, air, - the insanity of it all is mind-boggling. I pray every day the truth comes out and that people wake up. I believe you are one of the voices out there that will help it happen. Thanks so much for your courage. Janet > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I think the main difference is that they believed > when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri asking every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see no discrimination in not letting her in. No one cares what her profession is, only about the context of her information and how it may be used. > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get on this list to learn from a group who far to many are learning themselves is ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most learned of you. But how could I teach this person a fraction of what 30 years and hundreds of books I have read not to mention my 30 years of learning about the non sense of the Allopath profession in a verse here or a verse there. > > Sheri > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last thing you want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to make a decision. Do what you feel in your Heart is right. It will turn out, after all this is your show, and I would never leave it because I disagreed with your position, in fact of which I do disagree with. > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe honesty is the best policy. > > Jim > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Thanks Jess I have learned to take lemons and make lemonade out of life. What came out of that was they lost not only my business, but the business of two people who know me. I also received several calls from young mothers who had been looking for a local source of info. People need to understand that most of the people that are pro-vax are ignorant, know it alls,bullies, and cowards and if they have not had a personal experience could care less about yours. And even if they did they are not going to jump in the fight, if it meant any kind of loss to them. Social or financial. And don't forget that it is the media who gives the peds the free press. I have done plenty of stories in the press. They gave me 200 words. They gave them 1000. Our main target should be in the grass roots. One new parent educated against vaccines is more effective then two stories in the paper. Keep your hopes on yourself not them. As you probably know I said in the beginning I don't give a Rats tail who comes on this list. I am fully able and prepared to take on any pro-vax or pro-drugger, this is Sheri's call. The only reason I related my fight with the papers is because there are some who fear what they have said might be used on the outside. I am just letting everyone know that it can happen. Jim ________________________________ From: Dell <jetsettica@...> Vaccinations Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:16:41 PM Subject: Re: Journalist Sorry you went through that Jim. What a betrayal. As for this woman, she did say it was her intent to find out about the movement. Which this list would " teach " her plenty about. Unfortunately if she wants to portray the movement as a bunch of crazies theres plenty for her to use, on or off of this list. But maybe if she reads some of the good posts she will become curious about why safety tests have not been conducted to determine whether infants are capable of processing hundreds of micrograms of aluminum injected into them within 24 hours of birth. Maybe we should take the chance of being made to look like backward idiots. Meanwhile, since we know she is lurking we could try to raise the bar on the quality of the discussion here and try to share our concerns in a way that would arouse the interest of noncommital listener - rather than just preaching to our own choir. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote: > I never joined any list or organization to learn. I don't know if their > were any around at that time. > I got my first shot of truth from people who understood health. Folks like > Herbert Shelton, Bragg > who were in the health field. The real health field. Also from fearless and > intelligent medical doctors. like Isaac Jennings, T. Trall, > Sylvester Graham, E. Page, Felix L. Oswald, J. , > H. Tilden and of course the greatest woman health practitioner that the > nursing schools now conveniently leave out of their courses, because she > proved germs don't cause disease, Florence Nightingale. > > If no one is here to teach, how is anyone to learn? > > I agree everyone has to start somewhere, but I still maintain if her true > purpose is to take information from people on this list and disseminate it > to the outside world then there are more scientific organizations then this > one from which to draw. > > As far as your background and your saying you believed if I pick this up > right,if not I apologize, it sounded like you were pro-vax. If you were and > you were in the medical field, then all the things the medical profession > were saying about people like us would have applied to you also. > > And if I discovered that you of course would have been a subject of > discussion, at least with me. > > The lady could sign a no tell deposition, and it wouldn't mean a hill of > beans in a court, which no one in their right mind would do anyway. Its > called freedom of speech. You can't void the first amendment. > > A personal experience, last summer I was invited by a local newspaper to do > a story on vaccines. This was a paper who knew me and I had been doing > business with for years. I wrote the story. The publisher refused to run it. > Said I sounded like I was one sided and trying to persuade people not to > vaccinate without any substantial evidence. The only part of their statement > that was not true was the substantial evidence part. > I had actually wrote my story quoting the medical journal naming names, > dates and places. > Then the big surprise, they wrote their own versions of vaccination. As > prejudice and attacking as one could get about the crazy conspiracies who > want to kill baby's with vaxes in a country I never even heard of. > They put my name right in the middle of it, and without my permission. They > handpicked bits of my original letter and placed them in their pail of lies > and garbage where it would make me look like the local bad guy. > And this was a smaller paper who claimed to be family oriented. > > I threaten to sue, the chief said well I didn't think it was that bad. > I called for a meeting with the owner, publisher,Editor, writer, and sales > rep. > I am still waiting. > Was the nice sales lady that invited me to do a story being used? > > The weight of this decision is on Sher's shoulders as it should be. > > Jim > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: " thefragile73931@ cox.net <thefragile73931% 40cox.net> " < > thefragile73931@ cox.net <thefragile73931% 40cox.net> > > Vaccinations <Vaccinations% 40groups. com> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:24:28 PM > Subject: Re: Journalist > > Joining lists like this is how people learn. We all learn together, > regardless of where we are in learning about vaccines. We're not here to > " teach, " more to learn. We seek outside sources that we may have never heard > about before, had we not joined this group. My first thought was to join MDC > and find discussion groups such as this, not books or internet sites because > it was too overwhelming and I had no idea who had vested interests, who were > just kooks, who had no real good information. Everyone has to start > somewhere. I have, and it was with this group. Thankfully I didn't mention > my background.. .I would have hated to have been the subject of a discussion > like this. > > And yes, I do believe her profession is what has people up in arms, > otherwise it wouldn't be an issue whether to let her in or not. Several > people have expressly said they do not want her in due to her being a > journalist. This list IS private, only people on the inside can see the > info. If she's in, then she's told taht nothing can be re-printed elsewhere > without expressed permission, and if it happens, Sheri can taken what action > she likes. THe gloves aren't on, and never were, but opinions and reason and > logic are allowed...from both sides. > > ---- Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote: > > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I think the main > difference is that they believed > > when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri asking > every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see no discrimination > in not letting her in. No one cares what her profession is, only about the > context of her information and how it may be used. > > > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get on this > list to learn from a group who far to many are learning themselves is > ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most learned of you. But how > could I teach this person a fraction of what 30 years and hundreds of books > I have read not to mention my 30 years of learning about the non sense of > the Allopath profession in a verse here or a verse there. > > > > Sheri > > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last thing you > want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to make a decision. Do > what you feel in your Heart is right. It will turn out, after all this is > your show, and I would never leave it because I disagreed with your > position, in fact of which I do disagree with. > > > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe honesty is > the best policy. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Hi Janet There are so many groups out there, there are so many lone Wolfs out there. We are all making a difference. The bad part is the difference is being made because their messing up so many lives. The numbers grow daily. And many people are afraid to speak up. I was like that 30 years ago, because I didn't have enough knowledge and their weren't that many messed up kids. I am no longer concerned with the outcome of this battle. That is up to a power higher than myself. I just consider myself a warrior in this battle until I no longer can peck at this machine or speak. As said. Keep the faith. Jim ________________________________ From: " janetskeith@... " <janetskeith@...> Vaccinations Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:13:36 PM Subject: Re: Journalist Jim, I just want to say Thanks for being a part of this group. I always enjoy reading your comments, and have learned much from them. Also, I want to thank you for speaking out when it has not been easy or popular. I greatly appreciate your honesty, and look forward to a day when honesty and integrity are once more considered a valuable commodity - a day when someone wouldn't think of being dishonest or " selling out " for any amount of profit. Pollyanna that I am, I would love to hear someone say " NO, not for a million dollars will I lie - just because it is not the right thing to do. " I do still believe there are people out there like that...hopefully that number will grow as we realize where all our greed and dishonesty has gotten us - a world where our children are having trouble surviving because of all the chemicals we put into everything. And what does allopathic medicine do to fix things - put more and more chemicals into our bodies. Polluting our infants in their first day of life - adding chemicals to a body that is fighting cancer - polluting our food, water, air, - the insanity of it all is mind-boggling. I pray every day the truth comes out and that people wake up. I believe you are one of the voices out there that will help it happen. Thanks so much for your courage. Janet > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I think the main difference is that they believed > when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri asking every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see no discrimination in not letting her in. No one cares what her profession is, only about the context of her information and how it may be used. > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get on this list to learn from a group who far to many are learning themselves is ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most learned of you. But how could I teach this person a fraction of what 30 years and hundreds of books I have read not to mention my 30 years of learning about the non sense of the Allopath profession in a verse here or a verse there. > > Sheri > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last thing you want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to make a decision. Do what you feel in your Heart is right. It will turn out, after all this is your show, and I would never leave it because I disagreed with your position, in fact of which I do disagree with. > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe honesty is the best policy.. > > Jim > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I never thought of that before, Jim. There really weren't the major problems like autism, peanut allergies in every classroom, ADHD, etc. like today back when you first had your awakening of the vaccine issue. You've really seen it just about from the beginning. Winnie Re: Journalist > > > Jim, I just want to say Thanks for being a part of this group. > I always enjoy reading your comments, and have learned much from > them. Also, I want to thank you for speaking out when it has > not been easy or popular. I greatly appreciate your honesty, > and look forward to a day when honesty and integrity are once > more considered a valuable commodity - a day when someone > wouldn't think of being dishonest or " selling out " for any > amount of profit. Pollyanna that I am, I would love to hear > someone say " NO, not for a million dollars will I lie - just > because it is not the right thing to do. " I do still believe > there are people out there like that...hopefully that number > will grow as we realize where all our greed and dishonesty has > gotten us - a world where our children are having trouble > surviving because of all the chemicals we put into everything. > And what does allopathic medicine do to fix things - put more > and more chemicals into our > bodies. Polluting our infants in their first day of life - > adding chemicals to a body that is fighting cancer - polluting > our food, water, air, - the insanity of it all is mind- > boggling. I pray every day the truth comes out and that people > wake up. I believe you are one of the voices out there that > will help it happen. Thanks so much for your courage. Janet > > > > > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I > think the main difference is that they believed > > > when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri > asking every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see > no discrimination in not letting her in. No one cares what her > profession is, only about the context of her information and how > it may be used. > > > > > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get > on this list to learn from a group who far to many are learning > themselves is ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most > learned of you. But how could I teach this person a fraction of > what 30 years and hundreds of books I have read not to mention > my 30 years of learning about the non sense of the Allopath > profession in a verse here or a verse there. > > > > > > Sheri > > > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last > thing you want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to > make a decision. Do what you feel in your Heart is right. It > will turn out, after all this is your show, and I would never > leave it because I disagreed with your position, in fact of > which I do disagree with. > > > > > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe > honesty is the best policy.. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Only from my time when I woke up. I just can't give enough credit to people like Dr. Benedict Lust who wrote " The crime of vaccination, " in 1926. Can you imagine how deaf the ears were on his words. He was either the first or one of the first practitioners of Naturalpath, or Herbert Shelton who wrote " Vaccine and serum evils, also a ND. just to name a couple of early pioneers. Not to mention these people rejected the false premise of the AMA.. They had to swim uphill in their sleep. A note on peanut allergies. When I was a kid , money was scarce, P-nut-butter an jelly sandwich's was the main menu of the day. Hell we ate the peanut butter right out of the jar. In the 4 schools I attended , I saw one case of infantile paralysis. Lots of chicken pox. No cases of measles and my jaws were swollen a few times so maybe I had a few cases of mumps. Must have been from all that peanut butter. lol You see the truth has been covered up for over 200 years about the dangers of vaccines. The makers have refined their lies over the years down to a T. They just keep pulling it on new generations. There are young people today who actually think its normal to be sick two or three times a year, or have a chronic illness. Their goal is to keep us as customers from the cradle to the grave. The problem is their greed overcomes their common sense. If every body is sick physically or mentally who will be able to work to provide them with the money, they need to support their own bad habits. Jim ________________________________ From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...> Vaccinations Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:29:17 PM Subject: Re: Journalist I never thought of that before, Jim. There really weren't the major problems like autism, peanut allergies in every classroom, ADHD, etc. like today back when you first had your awakening of the vaccine issue. You've really seen it just about from the beginning. Winnie Re: Journalist > > > Jim, I just want to say Thanks for being a part of this group. > I always enjoy reading your comments, and have learned much from > them. Also, I want to thank you for speaking out when it has > not been easy or popular. I greatly appreciate your honesty, > and look forward to a day when honesty and integrity are once > more considered a valuable commodity - a day when someone > wouldn't think of being dishonest or " selling out " for any > amount of profit. Pollyanna that I am, I would love to hear > someone say " NO, not for a million dollars will I lie - just > because it is not the right thing to do. " I do still believe > there are people out there like that...hopefully that number > will grow as we realize where all our greed and dishonesty has > gotten us - a world where our children are having trouble > surviving because of all the chemicals we put into everything. > And what does allopathic medicine do to fix things - put more > and more chemicals into our > bodies. Polluting our infants in their first day of life - > adding chemicals to a body that is fighting cancer - polluting > our food, water, air, - the insanity of it all is mind- > boggling. I pray every day the truth comes out and that people > wake up. I believe you are one of the voices out there that > will help it happen. Thanks so much for your courage. Janet > > > > > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I > think the main difference is that they believed > > > when they joined this list is that it was private. With Sheri > asking every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see > no discrimination in not letting her in. No one cares what her > profession is, only about the context of her information and how > it may be used. > > > > > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to get > on this list to learn from a group who far to many are learning > themselves is ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most > learned of you. But how could I teach this person a fraction of > what 30 years and hundreds of books I have read not to mention > my 30 years of learning about the non sense of the Allopath > profession in a verse here or a verse there. > > > > > > Sheri > > > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the last > thing you want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time to > make a decision. Do what you feel in your Heart is right. It > will turn out, after all this is your show, and I would never > leave it because I disagreed with your position, in fact of > which I do disagree with. > > > > > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still believe > honesty is the best policy.. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Another note on peanut allergies: when my oldest son (born in 1990) was in preschool to Kindergarten, parents would send in peanut butter by the gallon for snack days. When my next son was born in 1992, after the Hep B vaccine began to be given to babies at birth, peanut butter began to be banned from the occasional classroom for the one or two kids with allergies. Now it is rare not to see classroom doors plastered with signs of " peanut-free, tree-nut free, dairy, egg......free. " I don't think it's a coincidence that this occurred when those kids who received the Hep B vaccine became of school age. Winnie Re: Journalist > > > > > > Jim, I just want to say Thanks for being a part of this group. > > I always enjoy reading your comments, and have learned much > from > > them. Also, I want to thank you for speaking out when it has > > not been easy or popular. I greatly appreciate your honesty, > > and look forward to a day when honesty and integrity are once > > more considered a valuable commodity - a day when someone > > wouldn't think of being dishonest or " selling out " for any > > amount of profit. Pollyanna that I am, I would love to hear > > someone say " NO, not for a million dollars will I lie - just > > because it is not the right thing to do. " I do still believe > > there are people out there like that...hopefully that number > > will grow as we realize where all our greed and dishonesty has > > gotten us - a world where our children are having trouble > > surviving because of all the chemicals we put into everything. > > And what does allopathic medicine do to fix things - put more > > and more chemicals into our > > bodies. Polluting our infants in their first day of life - > > adding chemicals to a body that is fighting cancer - polluting > > our food, water, air, - the insanity of it all is mind- > > boggling. I pray every day the truth comes out and that people > > wake up. I believe you are one of the voices out there that > > will help it happen. Thanks so much for your courage. Janet > > > > > > > > > In defense of the people who are against this journalist I > > think the main difference is that they believed > > > > > when they joined this list is that it was private. With > Sheri > > asking every ones input, maybe she had a doubt herself.. I see > > no discrimination in not letting her in. No one cares what her > > profession is, only about the context of her information and > how > > it may be used. > > > > > > > > > > Now I am going to take off the gloves. For her to want to > get > > on this list to learn from a group who far to many are > learning > > themselves is ridiculous. I probably know as much as the most > > learned of you. But how could I teach this person a fraction > of > > what 30 years and hundreds of books I have read not to mention > > my 30 years of learning about the non sense of the Allopath > > profession in a verse here or a verse there. > > > > > > > > > > Sheri > > > > > I am sure you are in a quandary by now, but I believe the > last > > thing you want is to cause division among the ranks. Its time > to > > make a decision. Do what you feel in your Heart is right. It > > will turn out, after all this is your show, and I would never > > leave it because I disagreed with your position, in fact of > > which I do disagree with. > > > > > > > > > > I don't care how old or outdated it may be but I still > believe > > honesty is the best policy.. > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Winnie, this was also happening in the UK before we left - allergy everywhere you looked - but we don't do the Hep B in the UK routinely... Sue x -- Re: Journalist Another note on peanut allergies: when my oldest son (born in 1990) was in preschool to Kindergarten, parents would send in peanut butter by the gallon for snack days. When my next son was born in 1992, after the Hep B vaccine began to be given to babies at birth, peanut butter began to be banned from the occasional classroom for the one or two kids with allergies. Now it is rare not to see classroom doors plastered with signs of " peanut-free, tree-nut free, dairy, egg......free. " I don't think it's a coincidence that this occurred when those kids who received the Hep B vaccine became of school age. Winnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I think allergies in general were already increasing (my son included--no Hep. B vax), but peanut allergies have skyrocketed here. Do they give the Hep B at all in the UK, even not routinely? Winnie Re: Journalist > > Another note on peanut allergies: when my oldest son (born in > 1990) was in > preschool to Kindergarten, parents would send in peanut butter > by the gallon > for snack days. When my next son was born in 1992, after the Hep > B vaccine > began to be given to babies at birth, peanut butter began to be > banned from > the occasional classroom for the one or two kids with allergies. > Now it is > rare not to see classroom doors plastered with signs of " peanut-free, > tree-nut free, dairy, egg......free. " I don't think it's a > coincidence that > this occurred when those kids who received the Hep B vaccine > became of > school age. > > Winnie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Peanut allergies are likely due to the rampant soy in our diets, especially in infant formulas and mom's breast milk. http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html Dawn wharrison@... wrote: > > > I think allergies in general were already increasing (my son > included--no Hep. B vax), but peanut allergies have skyrocketed here. Do > they give the Hep B at all in the UK, even not routinely? > > Winnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Not so much peanut allergy, but certainly other food allergies and lots of rhinitis, asthma, eczema etc.. I have come across several children locally with severe peanut allergy though. All carry epipens. Sue x -- Re: Journalist Interesting. Do you think there is peanut allergy rampant in the UK (not sure that much peanut butter is consumed in the UK - is it?) Anyone in UK Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I'm not sure that they do Winnie, unless perhaps clinically indicated. I am on an expats forum, and frequently see people coming to Australia or newly arrived that are making arrangements to have the full course of Hep B, currently given in year 7 here routinely - along with varicella and the HPV. And we have a nauseating HPV TV campaign running here just now, which makes my blood boil. Grrrrr..... Sue x -- Re: Journalist I think allergies in general were already increasing (my son included--no Hep. B vax), but peanut allergies have skyrocketed here. Do they give the Hep B at all in the UK, even not routinely? Winnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Just my opinion but if I remember correctly it wasn't difficult to join this group. Someone gave me the link and within an hour I was recieving emails. It was harder to obtain acceptance to join my attachment parenting group on cafemom. This isn't neccesarily a bad thing I mean if she wanted to portray us as nutbars she could have joined as I did ~without introducing herself to anyone and taken any number of things out of nontext to fit her purpose. But she didn't, she said who she was and what she wanted and now she must have permission to re-print what she wants. Don't we want our message to reach main stream media? On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:29 PM, <thefragile73931@...> wrote: > Inside Edition is a tabloid/sensationalist program (bordering on > exploitation sometimes) and I wouldn't want someone from there joining > either...which is possibly why it's been suspended, possibly temporarily. I > can't imagine an attempt of joining would make a group go on suspension, > though if this person actually joined and caused trouble that would have > been a different story. Not all journalists are ethically challenged and > narrow-minded or sensational. Inside Edition has a record of being that way. > Lori > > ---- kimberlyire <kimberlyire@... <kimberlyire%40>> wrote: > > > > -Hi everyone! > > > > I just wanted to give all a " heads up " : I'm not sure what the end > > result was in this particular " journalist " situation, but I was a member > > of another group with regard to vaccines, & yesterday an Inside > > Edition journalist attempted to join the group. Today the group is on > > " suspended " status. There is definitely something not right going > > on....... > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not continue to post openly if I feel there is someone > > collecting data. There are more than enough people out there openly > > objecting to vaccines and willing to talk, infact people are desperate > > to talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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