Panic Attacks

[Guest guest]

Would it be reasonable to assume that periodically - every couple of

days - I would have a 'panic attack' as a result of going thru a

cleansing program?

Sometimes, I feel dizzy and out of sorts and then start to panic - I

am going to die, who will care for my son, what if I can't work, blah

blah blah - and then if I go to the bathroom (BM) - I seem to calm.

Is there some sort of toxin release that would cause me to act this

way or am I just plum crazy and on my way to the funny farm?

[Guest guest]

I haven't done any cleanses, but I just want to let you know that I can

certainly relate to what you are feeling. I have had periods in my life

when I have suffered panic attacks. I know

that, " I-am-going-to-die-right-this-minute " feeling. I am a single mother,

so I also know the " who-will-care-for-the-kids " feeling. It is easy to feel

alone, and like you can't talk to anyone because they will think you are

nuts, but you are neither. Feel free to e-mail me privately if you want to

discuss this further.

Debra

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[Guest guest]

I have had this problem. I'd get dizzy, light-headed, and short of breath

and become quite certain it was " all over " right then. I am a single mother

and also am responsible for a tremendous number of pets who have come into

my life for rescue and rehabilitation of their health. They have become

dependent on diets and a lifestyle to which others will not adhere and so

are unlikely to be placed in homes other than mine, successfully. This has

been an extreme motivator for me to become well. It is an awful feeling

looking into all those pairs of eyes that need something daily, wondering

what will happen if, suddenly, I am not here to meet them!

I have been accused of being hypochondriacal, controlling, manipulative,

egocentric, playing God, etc.

Bottom line, I believe its organic cause is liver congestion, primarily,

over that of the condition of the gall bladder.

I had this idea reinforced strongly by , the health and

rejuvenation counselor out in Washington state, and Chang at

http://www.sensiblehealth.com who impressed me of the importance of dealing

with the liver congestion, FIRST. does this by flushing the

body with a large quantity of water, a portion of which contains

freshly-squeezed lemon juice, in conjunction with daily, low-impact exercise

on a rebounder and a regular schedule of colonic irrigations;

recommends doing it with Gold Coin Grass, Chinese Bitters, and Coptis--all

BEFORE proceeding with any actual liver and gallbladder flushes.

I know that the drastic-measure olive oil/lemon cleansing techniques, and

variations on that theme, offer the hope of a quick-fix for the gallbladder

and is attractive to folks on the basis of a hope that they can " grin and

bear it " once, or a few times, and be over and done with the whole thing.

For some of us, this is the worst way to go and, in fact, will not work,

and/or is likely to cause more problems, because the liver is just too

congested to allow a fully decent response, the protocol itself even putting

additional stress on the dysfunctional liver. In order to achieve safe,

effective flushes, one is best advised to attend to the more time-consuming,

preliminary work of decongesting the liver.

The relief you feel after finally having a bowel movement indicates the

extent to which the condition of the colon is affecting the liver. I have

found getting on a regular schedule of colonic irrigations a tremendous help

in alleviating this part of the problem. If you keep the colon thoroughly

flushed out, regularly (!), there is less stasis and toxicity coming from

the bowel for the over-stressed, congested liver to handle. The fewer

toxins in the bowel, the less stress on the liver, the less likelihood of

dizzy-spells and panic attacks that are truly from the liver being in a

condition of " overwhelm " . " Taking a load off " the colon, is equivalent to

" taking a load off " the liver, is equivalent to " taking a load off " the

mind. Our brain can only be as " clear " and " clean " as the blood supply to

it.

So start cleaning out that colon and decongesting that liver--for peace of

mind--and longevity.

[Guest guest]

Hi Toni,

Did you look at the site I posted to Rob... what about GABA? Have you thought about carrying some essential oils to inhale that would be calming? Do you know is it for sure stress that triggers it?

CN Most of the ingredients you can get at herbalcom.com or one of the sites in the resource file..

You can dry your orange peels in the oven on low..with door vented.. and then after dry (make sure you had cut them in small pieces)... use a coffee grinder to grind them down.Toni <tone102@...> wrote:

Good Afternoon all,

Now regarding panic attacks: I suffer from Panic disorder. My attacks come on daily. They have lasted within an hour up to a full 36 hours in the past. I was given antidepressants and klonopin. I only take the klonopin as I would not be able to walk out my door without it. I have tried Kava in the past and had a horrible reaction personally.

My beautiful 19 year old son had an emotional breakdown at the tender age of 12. Though I had experiences anxiety attacks before that every so once in a while, this set me off to be a daily walking timebomb. Even at times the sound of water will set me off. I would also awaken out of my sleep ready to jump through a window. Emergency rooms seen alot of me in the past few years due to the fact that I hyperventilated so badly I would collapse. Though I thank GOD that they are so much better then what they were, I am still plagued by them. Supermarkets I can handle by myself clenching my keys lol but other things I just cannot do. I have let this control my life for sure. Though the klonopin is not addictive in any way at least physically I know it is not the best thing but it is needed as I can get by with half with the onset of an attack and come out of it okay.

Just thought I would share my own personal experiences here. I hope you all do not mind.

I have so much to learn here. Also, is there any online site where I can get all the things I need for the Complete Nutrition? I also recall seeing citrus peels in that recipe. Do you dry them and powder them? I do not own any kind of dehydrator and NJ is cold I always say I have lots of questions but I do get lost in my emails. Perhaps I need an email planner

I think that is enough of me yakking for now. I need to post when things come into mind like I just did now with the panic attack subject.

My best to you all and thankyou for inviting me to what seems to be a very knowledgeable and loving place.

Wishing all a beautiful day

Blessings,

Tone

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzi, I checked into that website. Thankyou so much for sharing. I have tried GABA in the past, just one of many more things that "do not like me". At present time I am not taking any kind of supplements though I know I should be doing something. I am a very stressed out person so I assume that it is causing the panic attacks. Are there medical maladies that mimic and cause them also?

Thankyou also for the info on the herbs. I will go into that site and order shortly was is needed. I am so new to herbs though have had the interest for decades so I really do not know where to begin. Is there a master list in the files of something to the effect of what one should have on hand? That would be terrific.

I had the mighty mega virus in January LOL though this is not new for me since I seem to catch everything and now my 19 year old is sick. He is the carnivore/junkivore and gets sick rarely. This time though he is just super achy and his temp is up to 103 and I don't know what to do with him. He will not touch a fruit or veggie and forget about concoctions with him. He is super stubborn...wonder where he gets that from? Nyquil actually makes him feel like he is on speed. So you see, I sometimes need to move backwards then forward

Thanks again so very much

Hope everyone is having a great day

Blessings,

Toni

Hi Toni,

Did you look at the site I posted to Rob... what about GABA? Have you thought about carrying some essential oils to inhale that would be calming? Do you know is it for sure stress that triggers it?

CN Most of the ingredients you can get at herbalcom.com or one of the sites in the resource file..

You can dry your orange peels in the oven on low..with door vented.. and then after dry (make sure you had cut them in small pieces)... use a coffee grinder to grind them down.

[Guest guest]

Well, I think every household should have super tonic or complete tonic. Echinacea or astralagus, garlic cloves, and cayenne.. There are more but these to me are a must.

Complete Nutrition is good to take every day. CoQ10 is also a good one.

Toni, I forgot if you said, do you eat mostly raw or vegan or what... You really should consider starting to cleanse... removing toxins from your body will help you. Juicing is good. Start with a day or 2 juice fast... check the fasts and cleanses files.

NERVE TONIC FOODS: Celery, lettuce, coconut.

NERVOUSNESS: Celery, lettuce, garlic, apple, grape.

Also see message 14411 for stress remedies

And the nerve tonic under Herbal Formulas in the files.

How about drinking relaxing teas, like chamomile, valerian, passion flower, etc.

Find a scent that calms you, lavender, patchouli, whatever,,,, keep it with you to sniff when you become stressed or panicked.

As for your son, he has to make his own choices in life... You need to work on you. You can though start "cooking" healthy.. ... raw or vegan dishes, lightly steamed veggies, organic meats if that is your choice, offer sprouted nuts, grains... Take a look at what you keep in your kitchen.... the snacks,etc.. Keep fruit juices instead of soda... etc.Toni <tone102@...> wrote:

Hi Suzi, I checked into that website. Thankyou so much for sharing. I have tried GABA in the past, just one of many more things that "do not like me". At present time I am not taking any kind of supplements though I know I should be doing something. I am a very stressed out person so I assume that it is causing the panic attacks. Are there medical maladies that mimic and cause them also?

Thankyou also for the info on the herbs. I will go into that site and order shortly was is needed. I am so new to herbs though have had the interest for decades so I really do not know where to begin. Is there a master list in the files of something to the effect of what one should have on hand? That would be terrific.

I had the mighty mega virus in January LOL though this is not new for me since I seem to catch everything and now my 19 year old is sick. He is the carnivore/junkivore and gets sick rarely. This time though he is just super achy and his temp is up to 103 and I don't know what to do with him. He will not touch a fruit or veggie and forget about concoctions with him. He is super stubborn...wonder where he gets that from? Nyquil actually makes him feel like he is on speed. So you see, I sometimes need to move backwards then forward

Thanks again so very much

Hope everyone is having a great day

Blessings,

Toni

Hi Toni,

Did you look at the site I posted to Rob... what about GABA? Have you thought about carrying some essential oils to inhale that would be calming? Do you know is it for sure stress that triggers it?

CN Most of the ingredients you can get at herbalcom.com or one of the sites in the resource file..

You can dry your orange peels in the oven on low..with door vented.. and then after dry (make sure you had cut them in small pieces)... use a coffee grinder to grind them down.

[Guest guest]

Rescue Remedy? It comes in a small bottle that she can carry in a pocket or purse.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Combis

health

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:15 AM

Subject: Panic Attacks

Hi everyone-

I have a colleague that gets panic attacks. She realizes that she needs to change her diet and lifestyle. I have given her some Total (complete) nutrition to have and also a few books to read on healthy living. She is definitely into changing herself for the better.....my question is what can we do for the panic attacks for the time being?? SAM-e?? How are these being caused?? Would Panther Piss help with these??

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Good Morning all,

I pray this day finds you all well. Suzi, again thankyou for responding and for all your help. I will start shopping and building up my herbal pantry so to speak. One question though on the Complete: how do you measure it? I can't recall if measuring and dosage are in with the recipe for it.

As for my eating, I eat as healthy as I can afford to, which after shopping SADly(lol) for my son does not leave me with much but I do the best I can. I love greens so if I have them I will OD on salads. Gets alittle tiring though sometimes but I still like them. Fruits I do not like with the exception of bananas which give me intense headaches. Not fair huh? I was all raw vegan at one point but could not get the abundance needed to strive. Once a month I have raw egg yolks (too many do not agree either) and I have to say that since I incorporated them I stopped lossing my hair. I still am yet to find food though that gives me energy so apparently I am not indulging what my body needs. I still love my coffee in the morning and nolonger drink it at night due to the fact that it now gives me heartburn along with insomnia which I tend to suffer from anyway. Occassionally I like to make an almond milk of some sort. OH for that almond popsicle? recipe, do the almonds need to be saaked first? I would think they should be.

I definitely can use a cleanse. I wanted to give another go at the MC but am leary. I went 6 days in the summer before HAVING to stop. The rash and other symptoms were somewhat tolerable but the leg pain was crippling. Note that I am also a 33 year smoker and I was supposed to stop some time ago as my lungs are not that well. This is a big vice for me to say the least!

But I will look into the files and go through everything again.

As for my son, he is my son so I do so worry about his health. I mean he eats nothing nutritious and I cannot even manage to sneak anything in. he is in bed now with a raging fever which is rare for him. He won't even drink a cup of tea or anything. Well, we will get through this as always.

Oh and I love coconuts but the only ones to be found here are the mature brown ones and I do not care for them as I find them much too dry. The last time I had one it literally burned apart my throat. I wondered if it was literally soaked in pesticides for days..lol They did have white husked ones (not thai) for a little while and I managed to get a couple of them back them. What a difference. I need to move to an Earth friendly location!

I am saving emails also and need to go through them as well. I too suffer from constant nasal congestion which came on suddenly two years ago and vicks is my nostrils best friend (very temporary effects) thing is that when I am congested....I panic. Always a catch22 somewhere eh?

Also what is white wax? I noticed that with the cold cream recipe.

OK I am dragging on here much to long.

My love to all

Toni

Well, I think every household should have super tonic or complete tonic. Echinacea or astralagus, garlic cloves, and cayenne.. There are more but these to me are a must.

Complete Nutrition is good to take every day. CoQ10 is also a good one.

Toni, I forgot if you said, do you eat mostly raw or vegan or what... You really should consider starting to cleanse... removing toxins from your body will help you. Juicing is good. Start with a day or 2 juice fast... check the fasts and cleanses files.

NERVE TONIC FOODS: Celery, lettuce, coconut.

NERVOUSNESS: Celery, lettuce, garlic, apple, grape.

Also see message 14411 for stress remedies

And the nerve tonic under Herbal Formulas in the files.

How about drinking relaxing teas, like chamomile, valerian, passion flower, etc.

Find a scent that calms you, lavender, patchouli, whatever,,,, keep it with you to sniff when you become stressed or panicked.

As for your son, he has to make his own choices in life... You need to work on you. You can though start "cooking" healthy.. ... raw or vegan dishes, lightly steamed veggies, organic meats if that is your choice, offer sprouted nuts, grains... Take a look at what you keep in your kitchen.... the snacks,etc.. Keep fruit juices instead of soda... etc.

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See my answers below Toni..Toni <tone102@...> wrote:

Good Morning all,

I pray this day finds you all well. Suzi, again thankyou for responding and for all your help. I will start shopping and building up my herbal pantry so to speak. One question though on the Complete: how do you measure it? I can't recall if measuring and dosage are in with the recipe for it. A heaping tablespoon or two in a glass of real juice (I like apple).

As for my eating, I eat as healthy as I can afford to, which after shopping SADly(lol) for my son why are you buying "junk" for your son? Does he contribute monitarily to the grocery bill? You are the adult/parent here...It is not like you are feeding him poison....I was raised you ate what was served... maybe not everything on the table but if you didn't eat what was served, well, you didn't eat...does not leave me with much but I do the best I can. I love greens so if I have them I will OD on salads. check the recipe files for some other ideas on veggie recipes, salads, meals, etc... Gets alittle tiring though sometimes but I still like them. Fruits I do not like with the exception of bananas which give me intense headaches. Not fair huh? I was all raw vegan at one point but could not get the abundance needed to strive. Once a month I have raw egg yolks good(too many do not agree either) and I have to say that since I incorporated them I stopped lossing my hair. I still am yet to find food though that gives me energy so apparently I am not indulging what my body needs.Your body is telling you it needs detoxing.. work on water fasting if nothing else, or juice fasting.. your liver is talking to you. I still love my coffee in the morning and nolonger drink it at night due to the fact that it now gives me heartburn along with insomnia which I tend to suffer from anyway. If youre going to drink coffee at least limit to one a day and go for the organic if you can. Occassionally I like to make an almond milk of some sort. OH for that almond popsicle? recipe, do the almonds need to be saaked first? I would think they should be. Yes they should be.

I definitely can use a cleanse. I wanted to give another go at the MC but am leary. I went 6 days in the summer before HAVING to stop.There is a "mini" master cleanse in the files.. remember any cleansing you do is better than none.. The rash and other symptoms were somewhat tolerable but the leg pain was crippling. You are really toxic right now. and it will get better the more you detox... do some 2-3 day fasting every other week or so. Try juice or water to start.. then once a month try the "lemon detox tea" Also, start drinking RO or distilled water with lemon in it. Note that I am also a 33 year smoker and I was supposed to stop some time ago as my lungs are not that well. OK, you got to quit this (I know you know).. think of how much other things you can buy... get yourself some lobelia and coltsfoot.. both very good for your

lungs.. This is a big vice for me to say the least!

But I will look into the files and go through everything again.

As for my son, he is my son so I do so worry about his health.I understand this, however, your son makes his own choices, (how old is he anyway). A child should not be telling you what he is going to eat...he is not in charge of the house, I mean he eats nothing nutritious and I cannot even manage to sneak anything in. I know this is going to sound cruel.. but who's fault is this? Who is fixing the meals in the house? he is in bed now with a raging fever which is rare for him. He won't even drink a cup of tea or anything. HE WON"T....I'm a bit confused here Toni, This is your child...not your husband, your parent... I know this is tough.. I call it "Tough Love"... and believe me... beeen there, done that...sometimes we have to make tough decisions for our children... they are not responsible adults, ((even

though they THINK they are)...Well, we will get through this as always.

Oh and I love coconuts but the only ones to be found here are the mature brown ones and I do not care for them as I find them much too dry. The last time I had one it literally burned apart my throat. I wondered if it was literally soaked in pesticides for days..lol They did have white husked ones (not thai) for a little while and I managed to get a couple of them back them. What a difference. I need to move to an Earth friendly location!

I am saving emails also and need to go through them as well. I too suffer from constant nasal congestion which came on suddenly two years ago and vicks is my nostrils best friend (very temporary effects) thing is that when I am congested....I panic. Always a catch22 somewhere eh? OK, your body can't tell you much better that it needs you to cleanse... If money is a problem, remember there is always a water fast... and lemon and water can be a great friend.

Also what is white wax? I noticed that with the cold cream recipe. Cosmetic grade beeswax.

Suzi__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Toni,

you're welcome.. no there is only one distilled...

lobelia tincture will help you quit smoking. so will coltsfoot.

as for your son, well, he is capable of making his own descisions at this point.. all I can say is "If i'm paying for the groceries, he will eat what is there or he won't and then he can spend his own money for his own food." He is technically an adult now... so let's get you well. You cannot live his life, nor kill yourself trying to.... (Tough love again)... It is not like he is 5 or 6.

As for the emotional part... Bach's rescue remedy - a few drops in his water would help.. doubt if he would even taste it in there. You can get sprouted pasta.. also when you make sauce.. add fresh garlic clove chopped up after it is done.. so you get raw garlic in it.. I do things like this to the DH... he never knows he is getting good stuff.. lol.. cayenne, etc.. There are ways to get good stuff into someone, you just have to be creative...

Suzi

Toni <tone102@...> wrote:

Thanks again Suzi. I will work on starting a cleanse and also see if I can find the herbs for my lungs as well though not sure if I can quit as I have tried! I do drink lots of water and lemon though not distilled. I tried that water and did not like the taste at all. There is only one kind of distilled right? I mean I am not drinking one made for appliances or something? lol

As for my son he is 19 and is dependent due to a rough emotional rollercoaster that took his toll. I know I am the parent and I am the only one in his life and I am a good one.His father (my ex) was very abusive both physically and verbally..Anyway

He has eaten like this since before he has crawled and I have tried everything. By junk, I am meaning just meat and maybe potatoes or pasta that is about it although he does like my salsa verde and of course once in awhile my pasta sauce which is good. Meaning taste wise But it is hard since the foods are limited which he will eat and he will not eat something of the same more then once a week.Of course on the outside he will tend to go for the fast foods which I have never ever been a fan of.

I was raised also to eat whatever you had in front of me. My beautiful Mother was a health nut so to speak who exercized and all that. At least healthy for the times. She passed away at the age of 45 from a long, suffering bout of cancer. Whole other topic anyway sorry

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Hi Kit,

I am not taking a cal/mag supplement though I really think I should be. Is there one you would recommend? As for the B vitamins, I do consume a raw egg yolk on occassion but that is about it. Any advice would be so greatly appreciated.

Thankyou so very much

Toni

Toni, May I ask: are you taking a Cal/Mag supplement? How is your B vitamin intake?Kit

[Guest guest]

Hi Toni,

I like a product called CALM. It comes in a powder and you mix it in

warm water. There's a couple of others I'll look to see if I can

find the product names. I think Nature's Sunshine makes one.

With B vitamins a good quality B complex would be best.

I wouldn't seperate the B's out. And, I don't see the need for over

100 mg B complex. Both those supplements are good for your nerves.

The CALM is most effective at bedtime....it is the best time for

uptake of Calcium. Cal/Mag will help you sleep as well.

Do you ever get leg cramps?

Kit

> Hi Kit,

>

> I am not taking a cal/mag supplement though I really think I

should be. Is there one you would recommend? As for the B vitamins, I

do consume a raw egg yolk on occassion but that is about it. Any

advice would be so greatly appreciated.

> Thankyou so very much

>

> Toni

>

>

>

> Toni,

>

> May I ask: are you taking a Cal/Mag supplement? How is your

> B vitamin intake?

>

> Kit

[Guest guest]

Leg cramps are one sign of a calcium deficiency. Cal/mag will help

those as well.

Can I ask you to take a look at your tongue and tell me if there

is a crack down the middle?

Kit

> Kit, Thankyou so so very much. I would love to get these and get

them a try and yes, I get leg cramps often. Sometimes so badly that

last quite a while.

>

> Appreciate all your advice and help

> Toni

>

> Hi Toni,

>

> I like a product called CALM. It comes in a powder and you mix it in

> warm water. There's a couple of others I'll look to see if I can

> find the product names. I think Nature's Sunshine makes one.

> With B vitamins a good quality B complex would be best.

> I wouldn't seperate the B's out. And, I don't see the need for over

> 100 mg B complex. Both those supplements are good for your nerves.

> The CALM is most effective at bedtime....it is the best time for

> uptake of Calcium. Cal/Mag will help you sleep as well.

>

> Do you ever get leg cramps?

>

> Kit

[Guest guest]

Suzi, I had mentioned the bananas in earlier posts because they are the only real sweet fruit I like but I can eat one once in a while but they give me terrible headaches. I will look into the files.

Thankyou so very very much!

Toni

Toni,

do you take potassium, eat bananas? another thing to add to your calcium and magnesium... is organic iron (under organic supplements in the files). One of the best ways to get calcium is "Lemon egg" (under organic supplements)

Suzi

[Guest guest]

Kit, Not sure I know what a fissure looks like but the "crack" is deep. What would make my tongue get stuck underneath? That drives me nuts alot.

As for the night sweats, I am not sure since I bundle to death since I am often cold. Insomnia...yes no doubt I often toss and turn. I was told I had CFS many years ago and had it controlled? for a while but I am fatigued very heavily all the time. Could be my tossing and turning along with lots on the mind too. Mine never seems to take a break

Thankyou Kit

Toni

It's not a line but a crack, looking more like a fissure. Do you ever have night sweats? Insomnia? Kit

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure what " getting stuck " is. But, the crack could

mean that constitutionally you have a weak nervouse system.

And, also that your stomach is involved. Possibly why you have

problems with your diet.

I have FMS/CFS and magnesium deficiency is highly involved. I'll send

am Mg post in a minute.

Kit

> Kit, Not sure I know what a fissure looks like but the " crack " is

deep. What would make my tongue get stuck underneath? That drives me

nuts alot.

> As for the night sweats, I am not sure since I bundle to death since

I am often cold. Insomnia...yes no doubt I often toss and turn. I was

told I had CFS many years ago and had it controlled? for a while but I

am fatigued very heavily all the time. Could be my tossing and turning

along with lots on the mind too. Mine never seems to take a break

>

> Thankyou Kit

> Toni

>

>

> It's not a line but a crack, looking more like a fissure.

>

> Do you ever have night sweats?

>

> Insomnia?

>

> Kit

[Guest guest]

Kit, The "ball" under my tongue swells and gets huge and that is what I mean about getting stuck. It is painful but also very scary. I have no clue as to what causes this and it happens alot. Thank the Lord that it doesn't take over...lol

As for my stomach. Reading what you wrote reminded me of what my Mother would say about the tongue when one had "a dirty stomach". I have had ulcers since I was 15 which flare up badly on a monthly basis but have survived...obviously heh I am pretty tough and have a high pain threshold..most of the time. Maybe that has something to do with the reason so many foods do not like me.

Thankyou so much again for all the suggestions and for the wonderful info

Toni

I'm not sure what "getting stuck" is. But, the crack could mean that constitutionally you have a weak nervouse system. And, also that your stomach is involved. Possibly why you have problems with your diet. I have FMS/CFS and magnesium deficiency is highly involved. I'll send am Mg post in a minute.

[Guest guest]

I think I'll ask you about the ball offlist...the question I have

might sound kinda personal.

I think there is also adrenal depletion going on as well.

Suzi, do you have some good herbs for the adrenals? There are few

combinations out there. But diet can help there as well.

Toni, gird yourself! I think there's some 'work' ahead, but you

can overcome this without pharmaceuticals.

Kit

> Kit, The " ball " under my tongue swells and gets huge and that is

what I mean about getting stuck. It is painful but also very scary. I

have no clue as to what causes this and it happens alot. Thank the

Lord that it doesn't take over...lol

> As for my stomach. Reading what you wrote reminded me of what my

Mother would say about the tongue when one had " a dirty stomach " . I

have had ulcers since I was 15 which flare up badly on a monthly basis

but have survived...obviously heh I am pretty tough and have a high

pain threshold..most of the time. Maybe that has something to do with

the reason so many foods do not like me.

>

> Thankyou so much again for all the suggestions and for the wonderful

info

>

> Toni

>

>

>

> I'm not sure what " getting stuck " is. But, the crack could

> mean that constitutionally you have a weak nervouse system.

> And, also that your stomach is involved. Possibly why you have

> problems with your diet.

>

> I have FMS/CFS and magnesium deficiency is highly involved. I'll send

> am Mg post in a minute.

[Guest guest]

Toni wrote:

> *Good Morning all,*

> **

> * I pray this day finds you all well. Suzi, again thankyou for

> responding and for all your help. I will start shopping and building

> up my herbal pantry so to speak. One question though on the Complete:

> how do you measure it? I can't recall if measuring and dosage are in

> with the recipe for it.*

> *As for my eating, I eat as healthy as I can afford to, which after

> shopping SADly(lol) for my son does not leave me with much but I do

> the best I can.*

Hi Toni, it is admirable that you are willing to give your all for your

son but you cannot live for him. You have to live for you. He is an

adult now and needs to learn to care for him and be responsible for his

own actions and decisions. You need to start looking after yourself and

let your son look after himself, for the most part anyway.

> * I love greens so if I have them I will OD on salads. Gets alittle

> tiring though sometimes but I still like them. Fruits I do not like

> with the exception of bananas which give me intense headaches. Not

> fair huh? *

If bananas are giving you such headaches I am wondering what condition

your digestive system is in.

> * I was all raw vegan at one point but could not get the abundance

> needed to strive. Once a month I have raw egg yolks (too many do not

> agree either) and I have to say that since I incorporated them I

> stopped lossing my hair. I still am yet to find food though that gives

> me energy so apparently I am not indulging what my body needs. I still

> love my coffee in the morning and nolonger drink it at night due to

> the fact that it now gives me heartburn along with insomnia which I

> tend to suffer from anyway. Occassionally I like to make an almond

> milk of some sort. OH for that almond popsicle? recipe, do the almonds

> need to be saaked first? I would think they should be.*

> *I definitely can use a cleanse. I wanted to give another go at the MC

> but am leary. I went 6 days in the summer before HAVING to stop. The

> rash and other symptoms were somewhat tolerable but the leg pain was

> crippling. *

Please explain the leg pain in more detail. You were going through a

crisis with your cleansing and you really should have continued with it

instead of stopping. This is one of the mistakes so many people make

when cleansing or fasting. They quit when the going gets a little too

rough. The going is always going to get rough. That is the nature of it.

As toxins get released into into the blood you are going to manifest all

sorts of ailments, etc. Stopping before allowing them to release only

drives them back in deeper and makes it more difficult to get rid of in

the future.

> *Note that I am also a 33 year smoker and I was supposed to stop some

> time ago as my lungs are not that well. This is a big vice for me to

> say the least!*

> *But I will look into the files and go through everything again.*

> *As for my son, he is my son so I do so worry about his health. I mean

> he eats nothing nutritious and I cannot even manage to sneak anything

> in. he is in bed now with a raging fever which is rare for him. He

> won't even drink a cup of tea or anything.*

This is what one is supposed to do when one is ill. Fast. This is

natures cure and I guarantee it will cure anything that isn't too far

advanced to cure and may even cure those as well if one truly believes

and has faith.

> * Well, we will get through this as always.*

> *Oh and I love coconuts but the only ones to be found here are the

> mature brown ones and I do not care for them as I find them much too

> dry. The last time I had one it literally burned apart my throat. I

> wondered if it was literally soaked in pesticides for days..lol They

> did have white husked ones (not thai) for a little while and I managed

> to get a couple of them back them. What a difference. I need to move

> to an Earth friendly location! *

Those places aren't so easy to find as long as there are people who

resist in being earth friendly.

> *I am saving emails also and need to go through them as well. I too

> suffer from constant nasal congestion which came on suddenly two years

> ago and vicks is my nostrils best friend (very temporary effects)

> thing is that when I am congested....I panic. *

I truly believe you should go back on your cleanse or do a water fast.

Just don't give up on it this time and do see it through to completion.

The more you cleanse the easier and less painful it will become. This is

just the way it works Toni.

> *Always a catch22 somewhere eh?*

> *Also what is white wax? I noticed that with the cold cream recipe.*

> **

> *OK I am dragging on here much to long.*

> **

> *My love to all*

> *Toni*

> **

Peace be with you Toni.

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Toni wrote:

> *Thanks again Suzi. I will work on starting a cleanse and also see if

> I can find the herbs for my lungs as well though not sure if I can

> quit as I have tried! I do drink lots of water and lemon though not

> distilled. I tried that water and did not like the taste at all. There

> is only one kind of distilled right? I mean I am not drinking one made

> for appliances or something? lol*

> **

> *As for my son he is 19 and is dependent due to a rough emotional

> rollercoaster that took his toll. I know I am the parent and I am the

> only one in his life and I am a good one.His father (my ex) was very

> abusive both physically and verbally..Anyway*

> *He has eaten like this since before he has crawled and I have tried

> everything. By junk, I am meaning just meat and maybe potatoes or

> pasta that is about it although he does like my salsa verde and of

> course once in awhile my pasta sauce which is good. Meaning taste wise

> But it is hard since the foods are limited which he will eat and he

> will not eat something of the same more then once a week.Of course on

> the outside he will tend to go for the fast foods which I have never

> ever been a fan of.*

> *I was raised also to eat whatever you had in front of me. My

> beautiful Mother was a health nut so to speak who exercized and all

> that. At least healthy for the times. She passed away at the age of 45

> from a long, suffering bout of cancer. Whole other topic anyway sorry*

> **

> *Thanks again. I will start to gather supplies and keep all posted.*

> **

> *Blessings,*

> *Tone*

> **

> *p.s. Yes Vicks says not to put into nostrils but when there is

> nothing else around and you cannot breathe, you do what you have to do.*

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Hi Toni,

Distilled water is not supposed to have any taste. That is why you

distill your water to get rid of the taste (inorganic minerals,

pesticides, herbicides, chemicals, etc). This is why I suggest you add

fresh squeezed lemon into your distilled water. Sounds like your son

needs to do a little cleansing too.

Peace be with you Toni.

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Toni wrote:

> One of the best ways to get calcium is " Lemon egg " (under organic

> supplements)

>

> **

> *Suzi, Wouldn't it be so expensive for the organic lemons? I mean

> regular lemons are 5 for 1.99 and I think that is alot lol do they

> sell organic bottled lemon juice that one could use?*

> **

> *Thankyou*

> *Toni*

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Your right Toni, you really need to move to a more earth friendly place

where lemons are much cheaper and where the weather is much warmer.

Those are some pricey lemons. Sheesh.

Peace be with you Toni.

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Gypsi wrote:

> How long does one allow the toxins to be released?? as opposed to

> knowing if it is an actual condition that needs a Dr.'s attention?

==============================

If it is a condition that is pre-existing then of course one should seek

some sort of diagnosis/health care for it. If it is brought on by a

cleanse or fast then it is a healing crisis. Now as we are not certain

as to which it really is and I have questioned her further we shall wait

and find out what she has to tell us. Of course, there is the

possiblilty that the cleanse may have uncovered an unknown condition

that has not made its presence known until now. In that case she should

still seek advice from her preferred health care provider as to a

diagnosis, prognosis or best guess.

There are many ways to approach this but if the cleanse brought it on

then the cleanse will take it away too. Same goes with a fast. Fasting

is natures way of healing anything that can possibly be wrong with your

body. It is very safe if done correctly and with the right frame of

mind. As with anything there is an optimal way of doing it and a not so

optimal way of doing it. One works and the other causes problems.

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Interesting that you ask about night sweats and insomnia. I have both, on a frequent/regular basis. We constantly have to change the sheets in the middle of the night, or put a blanket under me. How do these relate to panic attacks? Which I also get from time to time.

Just curious.

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, I swear by motherwort for night sweats. Unfortunately, it hasn't helped my insomnia (2-5am), but at least I'm not lying there awake in a pool of sweat.

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Interesting that you ask about night sweats and insomnia. I have both, on a frequent/regular basis. We constantly have to change the sheets in the middle of the night, or put a blanket under me. How do these relate to panic attacks? Which I also get from time to time.

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Hi ,

Those were leading questions in TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine).

I was heading in a certain direction for a TCM diagnosis.

For Western Med. and what was going on with Toni, it was looking

like adrenal exhaustion. Also, a Cal/Mag deficiency....heavy on

the Mg.

Here's some more adrenal exhaustion symptoms:

Mood Swings

Depression

Upper back and neck pain

Low body temp

Weakness

Excessive hunger

Inflammation/pain

Excessive bone loss

Food/inhalant allergies

Headache

Insomnia

Hair loss

Fatigue

Poor concentration

Poor memory

Stomach discomfort

Moments of confusion

Hypoglycemia or reactive hypoglycemia

Sweet/starch cravings

Tobacco/drug addiction

Low back pain

PMS/infertility/miscarriage

Nervousness

Bursitis/Tendonitis

Alternating constipation/diarrhea

Low blood pressure

Dizziness upon standing

Palpitations

More:

(0) never, rarely (1) twice a week or less (2) twice a week or more

(3) daily

1. 0 1 2 3 Light headed, especially upon rising from a prone or

sitting position

2. 0 1 2 3 Using sugary foods, caffeine, tobacco or other stimulants

to get going.

3. 0 1 2 3 Crave salty foods

4. 0 1 2 3 Frequent infections, allergies or asthma

5. 0 1 2 3 Feeling exhausted in the morning upon awakening

6. 0 1 2 3 Difficulty getting asleep or staying asleep

7. 0 1 2 3 Excessive anxiety

8. 0 1 2 3 Inability to relax after a tense or stressful situation

9. 0 1 2 3 Use a cortisone inhaler

10. 0 1 2 3 Intolerance to exercise

11. 0 1 2 3 Low blood pressure

12. 0 1 2 3 Foggy thinking

13. Yes(5) No Difficulty losing weight

http://www.2beingwell.com/healthhub.html

Kit

>

>

> It's not a line but a crack, looking more like a fissure.

>

> Do you ever have night sweats?

>

> Insomnia?

>

> Kit

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