Re: insanity liz monitoring program

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Well please get an ets every time you have an etg. That is your best protection right now. I'm sorry if I sounded harsh. I think we know enough about this test to head off or prevent damage. I also know Lorie is very intelligent and can see the truth of things very well. I am convinced that Lorie could be a success and make as much money as she wants in any field of endeavor. Treatment for her is inappropraite.

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I think that's a little harsh Dr.dan. Lori needs some time to regain her thoughts, and lick her wounds, then I am sure she will once again be strong. Personally, I think inpatient rehab is a bad idea, simply because it forces you to "admit" to a problem you don't have, and the basic tenant of recovery is "Rigorous Honesty." That having been said, I cannot and will not judge her or anyone else here, as I can't say what I will do if and when I am faced with the choice of that or loosing my license. I did choose to leave diversion rather than going the inpatient route, but I had hopes that before I was faced with probation the EtG nightmare would be resolved....and here we are, my probation starts 12/29, I will have to submit to EtG, and the only backup I have is that my PMD has left a standing order for a blood ETOH each time I test. I realize it will not satisfy the BRN, but it is all we could come up with.

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From: "danramo" <danramo@...>

> Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition > of insanity. You could have paired etg and ets on your specimens or > taken diflucan/cipro on your testing days. To submit to this flawed > test without some safety features in place is suicide and with your > fund of knowledge,Lorie,it is not excusable. We all love you. When you > are cut we all bleed. We do not need a victim,however,we need an > advocate. Dr. Dan

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Would you recommend an independent ETS each time? Are they offered at most labs,

and what is the general cost if you know. I will be paying not only the appx $60

a pop for the BRN test but also for the independent test. All this on a nurses

salary that is only as reliable as the EtG test!!

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> I think that's a little harsh Dr.dan. Lori needs some time to regain her

> thoughts, and lick her wounds, then I am sure she will once again be strong.

> Personally, I think inpatient rehab is a bad idea, simply because it forces

you

> to " admit " to a problem you don't have, and the basic tenant of recovery is

> " Rigorous Honesty. " That having been said, I cannot and will not judge her or

> anyone else here, as I can't say what I will do if and when I am faced with

the

> choice of that or loosing my license. I did choose to leave diversion rather

> than going the inpatient route, but I had hopes that before I was faced with

> probation the EtG nightmare would be resolved....and here we are, my probation

> starts 12/29, I will have to submit to EtG, and the only backup I have is that

> my PMD has left a standing order for a blood ETOH each time I test. I realize

it

> will not satisfy the BRN, but it is all we could come up with.

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> From: " danramo " <danramo@...>

> > Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition

> > of insanity. You could have paired etg and ets on your specimens or

> > taken diflucan/cipro on your testing days. To submit to this flawed

> > test without some safety features in place is suicide and with your

> > fund of knowledge,Lorie,it is not excusable. We all love you. When you

> > are cut we all bleed. We do not need a victim,however,we need an

> > advocate. Dr. Dan

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Liz,

You can contact US Drug Testing Lab (http://www.usdtl.com/contactus.html). They offer a dual EtG/EtS assay. When I did it two years ago, it was about $80 a test, as I recall. For me, the positive EtG's that I experienced while in an inpatient setting were also positive for EtS. So it appears that the EtS would not help my situation.

Lorie

--------- Re: insanity> > > > I think that's a little harsh Dr.dan. Lori needs some time to regain her > thoughts, and lick her wounds, then I am sure she will once again be strong. > Personally, I think inpatient rehab is a bad idea, simply because it forces you > to "admit" to a problem you don't have, and the basic tenant of recovery is > "Rigorous Honesty." That having been said, I cannot and will not judge her or > anyone else here, as I can't say what I will do if and when I am faced with the > choice of that or loosing my license. I did choose to leave diversion rather > than going the inpatient route, but I had hopes that before I was faced with > probation the EtG nightmare w

ould be resolved....and here we are, my probation > starts 12/29, I will have to submit to EtG, and the only backup I have is that > my PMD has left a standing order for a blood ETOH each time I test. I realize it > will not satisfy the BRN, but it is all we could come up with.> -------------- Original message ----------------------> From: "danramo" <danramoaol>> > Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition > > of insanity. You could have paired etg and ets on your specimens or > > taken diflucan/cipro on your testing days. To submit to this flawed > > test without some safety features in place is suicide and with your > > fund of knowledge,Lorie,it is not excusable. We all love you. When you > > are cut we all bleed. We do not need a victim,however,we need an > > ad

vocate. Dr. Dan> > > > > > > > > >

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sulfation and glucuronidation biochemical pathways are twinned anaerobic biochemical pathways so lorie is right for most EtS will follow EtG therefore not vindicating.%CDT a different biomarker is federally approved with the best track record.regards,rsaclorie@... wrote: Liz, You can contact US Drug Testing Lab (http://www.usdtl.com/contactus.html). They offer a dual EtG/EtS assay. When I did it two years ago, it was about $80

a test, as I recall. For me, the positive EtG's that I experienced while in an inpatient setting were also positive for EtS. So it appears that the EtS would not help my situation. Lorie --------- Re: insanity> > > > I think that's a little harsh Dr.dan. Lori needs some time to regain her > thoughts, and lick her wounds, then I am sure she will once again be strong. > Personally, I think inpatient rehab is a bad idea, simply because it forces you > to "admit" to a problem you

don't have, and the basic tenant of recovery is > "Rigorous Honesty." That having been said, I cannot and will not judge her or > anyone else here, as I can't say what I will do if and when I am faced with the > choice of that or loosing my license. I did choose to leave diversion rather > than going the inpatient route, but I had hopes that before I was faced with > probation the EtG nightmare w ould be resolved....and here we are, my probation > starts 12/29, I will have to submit to EtG, and the only backup I have is that > my PMD has left a standing order for a blood ETOH each time I test. I realize it > will not satisfy the BRN, but it is all we could come up with.> -------------- Original message ----------------------> From: "danramo" <danramoaol>> > Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the

definition > > of insanity. You could have paired etg and ets on your specimens or > > taken diflucan/cipro on your testing days. To submit to this flawed > > test without some safety features in place is suicide and with your > > fund of knowledge,Lorie,it is not excusable. We all love you. When you > > are cut we all bleed. We do not need a victim,however,we need an > > ad vocate. Dr. Dan> > > > > > > > > >

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glucuronidation and sulfation are twinned pathways frequently produce similar false positive. %CDT federally approved different pathway better backup test...regards,mslizrn@... wrote: Would you recommend an independent ETS each time? Are they offered at most labs, and what is the general cost if you know. I will be paying not only the appx $60 a pop for the BRN test but also for the independent test. All this on a nurses salary that is only as reliable as the EtG test!!--------- Re: insanity> > > > I think that's a little harsh Dr.dan. Lori needs

some time to regain her > thoughts, and lick her wounds, then I am sure she will once again be strong. > Personally, I think inpatient rehab is a bad idea, simply because it forces you > to "admit" to a problem you don't have, and the basic tenant of recovery is > "Rigorous Honesty." That having been said, I cannot and will not judge her or > anyone else here, as I can't say what I will do if and when I am faced with the > choice of that or loosing my license. I did choose to leave diversion rather > than going the inpatient route, but I had hopes that before I was faced with > probation the EtG nightmare would be resolved....and here we are, my probation > starts 12/29, I will have to submit to EtG, and the only backup I have is that > my PMD has left a standing order for a blood ETOH each time I test. I realize it > will not satisfy the BRN, but it is all we could come up with.>

-------------- Original message ----------------------> From: "danramo" <danramoaol>> > Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition > > of insanity. You could have paired etg and ets on your specimens or > > taken diflucan/cipro on your testing days. To submit to this flawed > > test without some safety features in place is suicide and with your > > fund of knowledge,Lorie,it is not excusable. We all love you. When you > > are cut we all bleed. We do not need a victim,however,we need an > > advocate. Dr. Dan> > > > > > > > > >

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What is the name of the most accurate test?

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> > I think that's a little harsh Dr.dan. Lori needs some time to regain her

> > thoughts, and lick her wounds, then I am sure she will once again be strong.

> > Personally, I think inpatient rehab is a bad idea, simply because it forces

> you

> > to " admit " to a problem you don't have, and the basic tenant of recovery is

> > " Rigorous Honesty. " That having been said, I cannot and will not judge her

or

> > anyone else here, as I can't say what I will do if and when I am faced with

> the

> > choice of that or loosing my license. I did choose to leave diversion rather

> > than going the inpatient route, but I had hopes that before I was faced with

> > probation the EtG nightmare w ould be resolved....and here we are, my

> probation

> > starts 12/29, I will have to submit to EtG, and the only backup I have is

that

> > my PMD has left a standing order for a blood ETOH each time I test. I

realize

> it

> > will not satisfy the BRN, but it is all we could come up with.

> > -------------- Original message ----------------------

> > From: " danramo " <danramo@...>

> > > Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition

> > > of insanity. You could have paired etg and ets on your specimens or

> > > taken diflucan/cipro on your testing days. To submit to this flawed

> > > test without some safety features in place is suicide and with your

> > > fund of knowledge,Lorie,it is not excusable. We all love you. When you

> > > are cut we all bleed. We do not need a victim,however,we need an

> > > ad vocate. Dr. Dan

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