Re: Diversion vs Probation...HELP

[Guest guest]

-Hello, Nurse2befree,

I would recommend staying in diversion as long as you can. That way

it won't be on your license whereas when you're on probation, it

always will be. I was in diversion before etg testing and had too

many relapses and was finally kicked out of diversion. I am now in

probation and have been clean for 9 months now. I am totally

committed to staying that way one day at a time. I had 3 positives

for etg, 500-700 and hadn't drank any alcohol. I went to rehab for 30

days and am now in a year program. I have had no further positives

but am always wondering when the phone will ring, saying I do. I

believe it was related to toradol IM I was using. Probation knew I

was on it. Come to find out it had 10% ethyl alcohol in it. I read

food labels and follow all the recommended foods to stay away from,

and purell and lysol and hairspray and vanilla extract, etc. There is

alot of information on this site on the links page and files page and

read through alot of the old posts. You are not alone, unfortunately

alot of us have suffered. Hang in there. Diane

-- In Ethylglucuronide , " nurse2bfree "

<nurse2bfree@...> wrote:

>

> What a nightmare this is!!! I'm about to make a huge decision here,

> and could use some input from you guys. Since my last positive ETG

i

> was told to get into a residential treatment program. Can't believe

> i'm to do this when i DON'T drink, just as alot of you guys have

been

> through already. So i went out and signed up for an outpatient

> program since i don't have help at home taking care of my house and

> animals. Told CM about program, and that i already signed up and am

> attending. I've been waiting for their answer on whether this is ok

> or not. Well, finally got a call back from my CM saying that this

is

> NOT ok, and i need to get into an INPATIENT residential treatment

> center for at least 30 days. Also, money is a big factor to me.

> Sooooo the big question is, Should i opt out and go into probation,

> or do what ever it takes to hang in there. My feeling regarding

> leaving diversion and going into probation is that probation uses

the

> same test. So where would going into probation get me. It seems

this

> could possibly lead to a lost of my license since i come up

positive

> for ETG when NOT drinking. And attoney fees in the thousands to

fight

> my case with probation(nursing board). I need to make a really WISE

> decision here, and NOT act on my emotions. Also, if you guys

haven't

> already done so i suggest you consider the class action lawsuit

> that's happening right now. The last post or so gave the link. The

> lawsuit will be going after the Lab companies for damages for

tests,

> treatments,loss of income, etc. that one has endured because of

these

> positives ETG's when one has not been drinking. In case you didn't

> know this firm told me that the nurse who's license was taken away

in

> pennsylvania because of elevated ETG's when not drinking WON her

> case. Yes, she did hire her own private attorney. She got here

> license back, and doesn't have to test anymore. If you have more

info

> on this please let me know. This class action lawsuit is not

fighting

> the nursing board, only the lab companies for damages of out of

> pocket costs. But, my big concerned is " Diversion vs Probation " . My

> gut tells me to hang in diversion as long as possible. What ashame

> that we got this result from working hard at recovery. It's pretty

> hard for me and others around to comprehend. God help us!!!

Regards,

> nurse2bfree.

>

[Guest guest]

How long have you been in diversion and how many

positives? I was only in diversion for 6 months and I

couldn't stop testing positive for etg with out using.

After going in 30 day inpatient 16 weeks of outpatient

they wanted me to go into another inpatient. Well I

droppped out of diversion in nov 2006 and I am still

waiting for the probation or investigation to start. I

wish I could of finished diversion, but It was

impossible. My husband retires in 1 year and we are

moving to florida. I wish I had answers for you. I am

hoping something changes because I still want to be a

nurse but I don't know if I would be able to complete

ca program or floridas program which is 5 years if I

can't stop testing positive. I don't regret droping

out of diversion because I was going insane. I wish I

had an answer for you. I was hoping by now that

diversion and probation would look differently towards

this test, but they don't.

--- nurse2bfree <nurse2bfree@...> wrote:

> What a nightmare this is!!! I'm about to make a huge

> decision here,

> and could use some input from you guys. Since my

> last positive ETG i

> was told to get into a residential treatment

> program. Can't believe

> i'm to do this when i DON'T drink, just as alot of

> you guys have been

> through already. So i went out and signed up for an

> outpatient

> program since i don't have help at home taking care

> of my house and

> animals. Told CM about program, and that i already

> signed up and am

> attending. I've been waiting for their answer on

> whether this is ok

> or not. Well, finally got a call back from my CM

> saying that this is

> NOT ok, and i need to get into an INPATIENT

> residential treatment

> center for at least 30 days. Also, money is a big

> factor to me.

> Sooooo the big question is, Should i opt out and go

> into probation,

> or do what ever it takes to hang in there. My

> feeling regarding

> leaving diversion and going into probation is that

> probation uses the

> same test. So where would going into probation get

> me. It seems this

> could possibly lead to a lost of my license since i

> come up positive

> for ETG when NOT drinking. And attoney fees in the

> thousands to fight

> my case with probation(nursing board). I need to

> make a really WISE

> decision here, and NOT act on my emotions. Also, if

> you guys haven't

> already done so i suggest you consider the class

> action lawsuit

> that's happening right now. The last post or so gave

> the link. The

> lawsuit will be going after the Lab companies for

> damages for tests,

> treatments,loss of income, etc. that one has endured

> because of these

> positives ETG's when one has not been drinking. In

> case you didn't

> know this firm told me that the nurse who's license

> was taken away in

> pennsylvania because of elevated ETG's when not

> drinking WON her

> case. Yes, she did hire her own private attorney.

> She got here

> license back, and doesn't have to test anymore. If

> you have more info

> on this please let me know. This class action

> lawsuit is not fighting

> the nursing board, only the lab companies for

> damages of out of

> pocket costs. But, my big concerned is " Diversion vs

> Probation " . My

> gut tells me to hang in diversion as long as

> possible. What ashame

> that we got this result from working hard at

> recovery. It's pretty

> hard for me and others around to comprehend. God

> help us!!! Regards,

> nurse2bfree.

>

>

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My first positive for ETG was October 2005, which was 2200. At that

time everything i was using had alcohol in it. Used alot of air

fresheners because i have animals in my house. My CM said recently that

you had to inhale air freshener for about 8 hrs to get that level. And

I said gee isn't that funny i had one right above my head on top of my

hutch programed to spray approx. every 15 mins. That's where i sat and

watched TV, and slept. Not to mention all the other products i was

using. Then when i had the medical review Dr. Brown said only food

(something you ate) could elevate your ETG. Give me another story.

Scary, she's a doctor. Then since i found out that everything has

alcohol in it i've tired my best to be very visualant. And continue to

have elevations. I had two more in the 300's, and two in thw 500's.

So it looks like a total of five. Yes, i'm about to lose my mind also.

Being single is even worst. No help. So there you have it. One huge

nightmare. nurse2bfree

[Guest guest]

Dear Nurse, I feel for you. I can't tell you what to do, I can only

tell you what I did and why. I had a positive ETG in March 2005; it

was 450; out of work, yada yada yada...back to work..another

positive in July, this time 250; at DEC they took away all work

privileges and started me over with a new sobriety date. Yada Yada

Yada.

I quit diversion. There is no way in hell I'm changing my sobriety

date at their whim. I did not drink.My thinking is this: although I

will eventually get into probation (or so I hope) and have to test

again, meanwhile enough time may pass for this test to be

discredited. I attended a conference in San Diego (my home) with

Laurie, Marsha and ; I signed up for the class-action; I

researched and compiled a folder about ETG;and I tried to live my

life exactly as I would had I still been in Diversion--except

working, of course. About 9 months later, I got a scary letter from

the Dept. of Consumer Affairs. they're investigating, as is their

job, and basically they were giving me a chance to tell my side. So I

took my folder and went, told the whole truth and nothing but the

truth, and peed in a cup for them. They were very nice and I felt

they really listened to me.That was around May of 2006. To date I

have heard nothing from the AG office; I'm working on my steps, doing

a nonpatient care job, going to meetings ( although I quit getting

signatures about a year ago); I'm just waiting. Hopefully this

lawsuit will do something. When and if I am offered probation, I will

gladly accept it and do the best I can. I have no other alternative,

if I want to keep my license.

GOOD LUCK with your decision. When anything happens in my case, I

will post it here; but it takes a long time--up to 3 or 4 years ,

maybe.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep the Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva

>

> My first positive for ETG was October 2005, which was 2200. At that

> time everything i was using had alcohol in it. Used alot of air

> fresheners because i have animals in my house. My CM said recently

that

> you had to inhale air freshener for about 8 hrs to get that level.

And

> I said gee isn't that funny i had one right above my head on top of

my

> hutch programed to spray approx. every 15 mins. That's where i sat

and

> watched TV, and slept. Not to mention all the other products i was

> using. Then when i had the medical review Dr. Brown said only food

> (something you ate) could elevate your ETG. Give me another story.

> Scary, she's a doctor. Then since i found out that everything has

> alcohol in it i've tired my best to be very visualant. And continue

to

> have elevations. I had two more in the 300's, and two in thw 500's.

> So it looks like a total of five. Yes, i'm about to lose my mind

also.

> Being single is even worst. No help. So there you have it. One huge

> nightmare. nurse2bfree

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, and one thing I forgot---when I had my first positive, the Good

Dr. Brown said " You HAD to have had a couple of drinks to get that.

You can't get that from eating food. " My level was 450. **SIGH**

~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep the Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva

> >

> > My first positive for ETG was October 2005, which was 2200. At

that

> > time everything i was using had alcohol in it. Used alot of air

> > fresheners because i have animals in my house. My CM said

recently

> that

> > you had to inhale air freshener for about 8 hrs to get that

level.

> And

> > I said gee isn't that funny i had one right above my head on top

of

> my

> > hutch programed to spray approx. every 15 mins. That's where i

sat

> and

> > watched TV, and slept. Not to mention all the other products i

was

> > using. Then when i had the medical review Dr. Brown said only

food

> > (something you ate) could elevate your ETG. Give me another

story.

> > Scary, she's a doctor. Then since i found out that everything has

> > alcohol in it i've tired my best to be very visualant. And

continue

> to

> > have elevations. I had two more in the 300's, and two in thw

500's.

> > So it looks like a total of five. Yes, i'm about to lose my mind

> also.

> > Being single is even worst. No help. So there you have it. One

huge

> > nightmare. nurse2bfree

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, My name is Joe and Im in the diversion program here in Los Angeles. As to date I feel I have been lucky regarding no positive ETG test. I hear so many stories like the people writing here and my heart goes out to all of you with this. I have only been in diversion about 2 1/2 months but have tested 7 times. Im clean and plan to stay that way but i do have a problem with these test also as I feel we have alot to do to work our own programs but then also to watch what you eat and other products. Myself I have a wife overseas where I use to live and it's very hard not knowing when I might see her again since she doesn't have a visa to come here. I feel like all my freedom has been taken. Well, sorry to have gotten off course but I wish all of you go luck with what your dealing with. joecurlyquiz <curlyquiz@...> wrote: Dear Nurse, I feel for you. I can't tell you what to do, I can only tell you what I did and why. I had a positive ETG in March 2005; it was 450; out of work, yada yada yada...back to work..another positive in

July, this time 250; at DEC they took away all work privileges and started me over with a new sobriety date. Yada Yada Yada. I quit diversion. There is no way in hell I'm changing my sobriety date at their whim. I did not drink.My thinking is this: although I will eventually get into probation (or so I hope) and have to test again, meanwhile enough time may pass for this test to be discredited. I attended a conference in San Diego (my home) with Laurie, Marsha and ; I signed up for the class-action; I researched and compiled a folder about ETG;and I tried to live my life exactly as I would had I still been in Diversion--except working, of course. About 9 months later, I got a scary letter from the Dept. of Consumer Affairs. they're investigating, as is their job, and basically they were giving me a chance to tell my side. So I took my folder and went, told the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and peed

in a cup for them. They were very nice and I felt they really listened to me.That was around May of 2006. To date I have heard nothing from the AG office; I'm working on my steps, doing a nonpatient care job, going to meetings ( although I quit getting signatures about a year ago); I'm just waiting. Hopefully this lawsuit will do something. When and if I am offered probation, I will gladly accept it and do the best I can. I have no other alternative, if I want to keep my license.GOOD LUCK with your decision. When anything happens in my case, I will post it here; but it takes a long time--up to 3 or 4 years , maybe.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep the Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva>> My first positive for ETG was October 2005,

which was 2200. At that > time everything i was using had alcohol in it. Used alot of air > fresheners because i have animals in my house. My CM said recently that > you had to inhale air freshener for about 8 hrs to get that level. And > I said gee isn't that funny i had one right above my head on top of my > hutch programed to spray approx. every 15 mins. That's where i sat and > watched TV, and slept. Not to mention all the other products i was > using. Then when i had the medical review Dr. Brown said only food > (something you ate) could elevate your ETG. Give me another story. > Scary, she's a doctor. Then since i found out that everything has > alcohol in it i've tired my best to be very visualant. And continue to > have elevations. I had two more in the 300's, and two in thw 500's. > So it looks like a total of five. Yes, i'm about to lose my mind also.

> Being single is even worst. No help. So there you have it. One huge > nightmare. nurse2bfree>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Eva...well figure about another 4-6 months and you will hear from

the AG office again. They are so impacted right now with

professionals with substance abuse problems, and this EtG thing...it

is taking some time. It took approximately a year to a year and a

half after my interview with the investigator. Good luck....

> >

> > My first positive for ETG was October 2005, which was 2200. At

that

> > time everything i was using had alcohol in it. Used alot of air

> > fresheners because i have animals in my house. My CM said

recently

> that

> > you had to inhale air freshener for about 8 hrs to get that

level.

> And

> > I said gee isn't that funny i had one right above my head on top

of

> my

> > hutch programed to spray approx. every 15 mins. That's where i

sat

> and

> > watched TV, and slept. Not to mention all the other products i

was

> > using. Then when i had the medical review Dr. Brown said only

food

> > (something you ate) could elevate your ETG. Give me another

story.

> > Scary, she's a doctor. Then since i found out that everything

has

> > alcohol in it i've tired my best to be very visualant. And

continue

> to

> > have elevations. I had two more in the 300's, and two in thw

500's.

> > So it looks like a total of five. Yes, i'm about to lose my mind

> also.

> > Being single is even worst. No help. So there you have it. One

huge

> > nightmare. nurse2bfree

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info...I'm just sittin' here minding my recovery. I

know thry'll get to me eventually, I think sooner would be better.

Although it would be nice to get some resolution to the ETG situation

first. Well, you can't always get what you want....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep the Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva

> > >

> > > My first positive for ETG was October 2005, which was 2200. At

> that

> > > time everything i was using had alcohol in it. Used alot of air

> > > fresheners because i have animals in my house. My CM said

> recently

> > that

> > > you had to inhale air freshener for about 8 hrs to get that

> level.

> > And

> > > I said gee isn't that funny i had one right above my head on

top

> of

> > my

> > > hutch programed to spray approx. every 15 mins. That's where i

> sat

> > and

> > > watched TV, and slept. Not to mention all the other products i

> was

> > > using. Then when i had the medical review Dr. Brown said only

> food

> > > (something you ate) could elevate your ETG. Give me another

> story.

> > > Scary, she's a doctor. Then since i found out that everything

> has

> > > alcohol in it i've tired my best to be very visualant. And

> continue

> > to

> > > have elevations. I had two more in the 300's, and two in thw

> 500's.

> > > So it looks like a total of five. Yes, i'm about to lose my

mind

> > also.

> > > Being single is even worst. No help. So there you have it. One

> huge

> > > nightmare. nurse2bfree

> > >

> >

>