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I don't believe that to be the case folks so please prove me wrong

So far I have not seen too much of a concerted effort from anyone on the board to put something together for me to get to the other boards. It does not look like they are too interested in getting the word out, at least not to Child Protection groups :>((

I am sure that people see that is the group being represented in my post and shy away from it thinking like everyone else - they must have done something wrong to have CPS involved.

Do they not realize they are ALL in exactly the same boat - that being....... falsely accused of something that they didn't do?

Jane

--I am NOT an attorney and none of the advice given should be taken as legal advice.

[Guest guest]

Jane, I am sorry you feel that way. I have been fighting this for

over two years and have gone to great lenghts to get the word out on

this. When anyone new comes into the group we ask them to make the

effort and read what was already posted. Two years of work is hard

to summarize, however, the best summary you can get is from the

August WSJ article, the SAMHSA advisory and this last WSJ article

from Oct 5. I think those three documents pretty much summarizes our

efforts and accomplishments.

>

> I don't believe that to be the case folks so please prove me wrong

>

> So far I have not seen too much of a concerted effort from anyone

on the board to put something together for me to get to the other

boards. It does not look like they are too interested in getting the

word out, at least not to Child Protection groups :>((

>

> I am sure that people see that is the group being represented in my

post and shy away from it thinking like everyone else - they must

have done something wrong to have CPS involved.

>

> Do they not realize they are ALL in exactly the same boat - that

being....... falsely accused of something that they didn't do?

>

> Jane

> --

> I am NOT an attorney and none of the advice given should be taken

as legal advice.

>

[Guest guest]

Wouldnt it be nice to be handed a full plate of food. Jane, In these

posts there is a wealth of information and experience. Read them and

summerize it yourself. I take offence to your posting. The people

here have spend a CONCERTED EFFORT of thousands of hours of research

to come up with what has been done so far. I am proud to know these

people and without them I would have thrown in the towel a long time

ago.

> >

> > I don't believe that to be the case folks so please prove me

wrong

> >

> > So far I have not seen too much of a concerted effort from

anyone

> on the board to put something together for me to get to the other

> boards. It does not look like they are too interested in getting

the

> word out, at least not to Child Protection groups :>((

> >

> > I am sure that people see that is the group being represented in

my

> post and shy away from it thinking like everyone else - they must

> have done something wrong to have CPS involved.

> >

> > Do they not realize they are ALL in exactly the same boat - that

> being....... falsely accused of something that they didn't do?

> >

> > Jane

> > --

> > I am NOT an attorney and none of the advice given should be

taken

> as legal advice.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I understand that we are all fighting our own battles as it were,

with some overlapping issues in each of the groups i.e. false

positive screens. I can completely relate to being accused of

something that you did not do. I personally have never had a drug

screen so my experience is somewhat limited. I have however been

accused of something that never happened and recently, we won on our

Appeal and the decision was overturned. It took 3 VERY LONG years

to get to that point though and endured a lot of heartache along the

way. That is why I thought posting to this group, and getting the

information directly from those who have had much more experience

with it than I, would give me something to take back to the other

boards in the hope of educating others who are dealing with this

very issue.

What I was looking for was specifics (see my first post) rather than

the WSJ article which has already been posted to the boards. You

have to understand that some individuals from the other groups are

not from the same educational background in the medical field that

many of you seem to be. Thus, they are not able to decipher what

all that means. That is where I try to help them in figuring out

exactly what type of false-positive test they even had (and yes,

some do not even know), what the results or levels of the test were,

what could potentially have interferred with the test etc.

Maybe many on this board are being cautious with their responses to

my original post thinking that the goal is to find a way around the

testing, or get people off when they have a true positive screen.

Nothing could be further from the truth. It is not my desire or

goal to assist ANYONE who has had a true positive result, treatment

yes, lack of accountability - no. It is however my goal to assist

those that have been dealt the losing hand of being falsely accused

of something they did not do or have had their constitutional rights

to Due Process bypassed alltogether.

I spend nearly 40 hours a week offering support and guidance to

these people in addition to working full time and just do not have

the extra hours to pour over each and every post to this group to

find the answers.

I hope this may alleviate some of the fears (?) that people may have

of why I would like this info as well as what I intend to do with

it. I know that I'm the " new kid on the block " and as such am

viewed with suspicion until such time that I prove otherwise, but

hopefully someone will reach out and try to help - as there are

childrens futures that may depend on this very information.

Jane

> >

> > I don't believe that to be the case folks so please prove me

wrong

> >

> > So far I have not seen too much of a concerted effort from

anyone

> on the board to put something together for me to get to the other

> boards. It does not look like they are too interested in getting

the

> word out, at least not to Child Protection groups :>((

> >

> > I am sure that people see that is the group being represented in

my

> post and shy away from it thinking like everyone else - they must

> have done something wrong to have CPS involved.

> >

> > Do they not realize they are ALL in exactly the same boat - that

> being....... falsely accused of something that they didn't do?

> >

> > Jane

> > --

> > I am NOT an attorney and none of the advice given should be

taken

> as legal advice.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am sorry that you feel offended, but nothing in my post reflected

anything but respect for the work and effort that people on this

board have accomplished. If you re-read my post you will see that

it contained quite the opposite in fact. That is why I tried to

come right to the source to get accurate information to pass along.

I understand that there are a lot of " raw nerves " having been

through what you all have encountered but groups, on any issue, need

to be heard in a united effort and voice. Hostility will only

hinder, not further that effort.

Jane

> > >

> > > I don't believe that to be the case folks so please prove me

> wrong

> > >

> > > So far I have not seen too much of a concerted effort from

> anyone

> > on the board to put something together for me to get to the

other

> > boards. It does not look like they are too interested in

getting

> the

> > word out, at least not to Child Protection groups :>((

> > >

> > > I am sure that people see that is the group being represented

in

> my

> > post and shy away from it thinking like everyone else - they

must

> > have done something wrong to have CPS involved.

> > >

> > > Do they not realize they are ALL in exactly the same boat -

that

> > being....... falsely accused of something that they didn't do?

> > >

> > > Jane

> > > --

> > > I am NOT an attorney and none of the advice given should be

> taken

> > as legal advice.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jane,

Have you seen the FAQ section in the Database?

> > >

> > > I don't believe that to be the case folks so please prove me

> wrong

> > >

> > > So far I have not seen too much of a concerted effort from

> anyone

> > on the board to put something together for me to get to the other

> > boards. It does not look like they are too interested in getting

> the

> > word out, at least not to Child Protection groups :>((

> > >

> > > I am sure that people see that is the group being represented in

> my

> > post and shy away from it thinking like everyone else - they must

> > have done something wrong to have CPS involved.

> > >

> > > Do they not realize they are ALL in exactly the same boat - that

> > being....... falsely accused of something that they didn't do?

> > >

> > > Jane

> > > --

> > > I am NOT an attorney and none of the advice given should be

> taken

> > as legal advice.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good idea Lorie.......but for me, I do not trust myself to dye, cut or

anything, I leave it to the professionals!!When I had all of my +EtG,

I tried to look at when I went to the Salon........I had + EtG close

to the date on one occasion and on 2 others it was the very close and

did not give a +EtG........so I am assuming that I had many other

factors for my +EtG's????Who knows????????joy

Off I go to pee in the cup today. PA's

> option 7 - is this one of the

> > EtG panels? not my stomach will be in an extra not for the next

> > month, and I'll dread going to the mailbox daily. Now my CM's not

> > even calling me back. My mother wrote a letter about the food that she

> > made w/ the cooking sherry and my reaction to her when I found out. My

> > DON also called - she is VERY assertive and really pushed and stuck up

> > for me about getting back to work, she even yelled at him for never

> > sending my SNF anything about me not being able to work until my EtG

> > could be reviewed. She tried for a time frame, and really stuck up for

> > me. It's nice to know she's still on my side.

> > Amy

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm still trying to catch up on all the emails since my trip and I noticed that Robin posed a question about Prilosec. I did take otc Prilosec for maybe 3 days prior to testing positive, Robin can this affect the Etg level? I am probably grasping at straws here but if chocolate liquor did not cause my positive then I am really lost. Danirobin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote: hi adrianne, during your GI issues when you were testing positive did you take liver metabolized drugs like h2

agents prilosec otc liver metabolized drugs,.any other liver metabolized drugs could have had a role to upregulate EtG production?..the positive urine alcohols definitely go along with yeast candida overgrowth and autobrewing..i might consider only with md help tapering/stopping all liver metabolzed drugs you can test outside the half life of anything you cannot stop,watch etoh exposure carefully purell especially...consider probiotic therapy shown to be of value in reducing abnormal gut flora including yeast in numerous gastroenterology articles..dr skipper has an autobrewery testing protocol but am not aware that anyone has "officially" been diagnosed with it. review www.ethylglucuronide.com for more info...welcome aboard your positives are pretty low level...i might get a little proactive with some probiotics and above you should stop pulling those low

level positives...collection errors delay heat could explain yeast overgrowth and false positive urine alcohols but should not cause false positive EtG readings per dr skipper's site again....hang in there,regards,r . <gary.beckverizon (DOT) net> wrote: i have had a positive ETG with level of 380, 440 ( 2 different labs,same sample) and afer that just positive urine alcohol levels of ,03.then .141 with negative ETG. i am a female physicianIN the diversion program who is sober 3 yrs. interestinglyenough for the first 3 yrs in the program all my tests were negative.The only variables that changed are that we switched form NWT to Quest Diagnostics this year. Another isssue is that during the time of the positive tests I have had GI issues, but nothing found on

traditional medical tests. The only dx I was given was 3 yrs prior from a naturopathic MD of intestinal candida overgrowth sydrome.Also, different was that our urine collectors take the samples at their mobile home on days when we don't have diversion groups. This summer it has been 108 degrees, and i found out that they do not refrigerate the samples after collecting them and do not use air conditioning in their home. Dr Skipper said that I may have auto brewery syndrome. There are so many variables, that i don;t know what to make of it. I am going to try not eating as much carbs, and I've thrown out all alcohol containing household items etc any feedback and want to hear other's storiesne beck ( using husband' s computer but it is both of ours)

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From: JILL hall <jillypill@...>Subject: Re: etgEthylglucuronide Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 7:23 PM

they wont give me my numbers just stated that my 4/17 was very high and my 6/5 was very low...it doesn't matter I am living proof that you can have hi levels without drinking or eating anyhthing with etoh...i am so sick of this...it has consumed so much of my life for the last year

[Guest guest]

For me, the lab reports (with EtG levels and creatinines) were part of the "evidence" package when the DA finally filed to revoke. It may take you a year or two to get this info. It is my understanding that Maximus (and also Probation?) do not furnish participants with EtG levels.

Lorie

--------- Re: etgEthylglucuronide Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 7:23 PM

they wont give me my numbers just stated that my 4/17 was very high and my 6/5 was very low...it doesn't matter I am living proof that you can have hi levels without drinking or eating anyhthing with etoh...i am so sick of this...it has consumed so much of my life for the last year

[Guest guest]

For me with new "cutoffs" of up to 1000ng/ml their refusal to give you numbers

is suspect...is 200"real high"these days?500?1000?

Why would they not give you the number unless they are hiding something?

Per Lorie it will probably be in legal pack but numbers/creatines/chain of custody

items would be things I would check very carefully.

Jill since you are an athlete might find something useful below...

[PDF] THE ATHLETES' GUIDE

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Free Sport (SAIDS) to inform you about drug testing procedures, your rights ... glucuronide) greater than 1000ng/mL and clenbuterol; • Probenecid; ...www.drugfreesport.org.za/documents/handbook2007.pdf

From: JILL hall <jillypill@sbcglobal .net>Subject: Re: etgEthylglucuronideDate: Friday, June 27, 2008, 7:23 PM

they wont give me my numbers just stated that my 4/17 was very high and my 6/5 was very low...it doesn't matter I am living proof that you can have hi levels without drinking or eating anyhthing with etoh...i am so sick of this...it has consumed so much of my life for the last year

[Guest guest]

Hey lorie....thanks for being crazy along side me.....it seems completely insane to me that they would revoke me with all the people who will vouch for me and like you said to extend my probation is just as insane as i have proved i am incapable of not getting pos etg's...who knows, i am hanging on to my hope and setting my sights on letting me go..we'll see....how do I get to this Dr skipper..and thanks for the heads up on the bob fella ill call him...i was told that if i pay 50. and call the compass mro that i could get my levels...nice little extra cash flow gig huh? we'll have to meet sometime we share many common contacts..Robin if i can get my hands on those numbers il give them to ya...ran san diego marathon on 6/1 barnone most emotional , spritual and physical experince i've had...i can'y wait to do it again.......Jill

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

We share so much in common...4 years clean, multiple positive etg's, same MD, both on Antabuse and Diflucan...Yes, this test has wreaked havoc in my life for 4 years now.

You can contact Dr. Skipper through his website at http://www.supermro.com. I think it has his email address there.

Lorie

-------------- Original message -------------- From: JILL hall <jillypill@...>

Hey lorie....thanks for being crazy along side me.....it seems completely insane to me that they would revoke me with all the people who will vouch for me and like you said to extend my probation is just as insane as i have proved i am incapable of not getting pos etg's...who knows, i am hanging on to my hope and setting my sights on letting me go..we'll see....how do I get to this Dr skipper..and thanks for the heads up on the bob fella ill call him...i was told that if i pay 50. and call the compass mro that i could get my levels...nice little extra cash flow gig huh? we'll have to meet sometime we share many common contacts..Robin if i can get my hands on those numbers il give them to ya...ran san diego marathon on 6/1 barnone most emotional , spritual and physical experince i've had...i can'y wait to do it again.......Jill

[Guest guest]

congrats on the marathon Jill awesome job...

you will be ready to be an ironwoman soon

in my book you guys already are...regards,r

From: JILL hall <jillypill@...>Subject: Re: etgEthylglucuronide Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 11:09 PM

Hey lorie....thanks for being crazy along side me.....it seems completely insane to me that they would revoke me with all the people who will vouch for me and like you said to extend my probation is just as insane as i have proved i am incapable of not getting pos etg's...who knows, i am hanging on to my hope and setting my sights on letting me go..we'll see....how do I get to this Dr skipper..and thanks for the heads up on the bob fella ill call him...i was told that if i pay 50. and call the compass mro that i could get my levels...nice little extra cash flow gig huh? we'll have to meet sometime we share many common contacts..Robin if i can get my hands on those numbers il give them to ya...ran san diego marathon on 6/1 barnone most emotional , spritual and physical experince i've had...i can'y wait to do it again....... Jill

[Guest guest]

I'm new to the group. I had a surprise ETG test done. I passed it, but while waiting a week for the results I looked up information on ETG, became fascinated at its evil, and studied as much as I could. I read court cases, etc. about it.

Anyway, What it diflucan? Is it anything like Naltrexone(Revia)?

Would a hair ETG test also show false positives as a urine ETG does? Blood?

I'm sorry for everyone that has to deal with idiots that know nothing about science, and still show no hesitation to ruin people's lives and serenity in their ignorance.

I hope things start to work out more for you. Is there any way you can take 1X/2X PBT per day instead of ETG if ETG is always wrong?-Greg Guro-------------------------------------------------------------------- & quot;I don & #39;t want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it by not dying. & quot; - Woody --------------------------------------------------------------------

From: saclorie@... <saclorie@...>Subject: Re: Re: etgEthylglucuronide Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 2:05 AM

Hi Jill,

We share so much in common...4 years clean, multiple positive etg's, same MD, both on Antabuse and Diflucan...Yes, this test has wreaked havoc in my life for 4 years now.

You can contact Dr. Skipper through his website at http://www.supermro .com. I think it has his email address there.

Lorie

------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: JILL hall <jillypill@sbcglobal .net>

Hey lorie....thanks for being crazy along side me.....it seems completely insane to me that they would revoke me with all the people who will vouch for me and like you said to extend my probation is just as insane as i have proved i am incapable of not getting pos etg's...who knows, i am hanging on to my hope and setting my sights on letting me go..we'll see....how do I get to this Dr skipper..and thanks for the heads up on the bob fella ill call him...i was told that if i pay 50. and call the compass mro that i could get my levels...nice little extra cash flow gig huh? we'll have to meet sometime we share many common contacts..Robin if i can get my hands on those numbers il give them to ya...ran san diego marathon on 6/1 barnone most emotional , spritual and physical experince i've had...i can'y wait to do it again....... Jill

[Guest guest]

Diflucan is an antifungal drug. Some of us have eliminated any/all external (food, hygiene products, cleaning products) sources of alcohol and still have positive EtG's. That means that the source of the ethanol is the body itself--it is manufacturing it. This is explained in the scientific literature. Given sugar and yeast, the body can manufacture its own alcohol. So the idea is to cut-off the yeast supply (by taking Diflucan), cut off the alcohol production, and stop the EtG problem.

I have no knowledge or experience with either blood or hair testing for EtG.

My own board uses a cookie cutter approach--every participant gets EtG tested every time. They do not deviate from that, so no, PBT (breathalyzer) would not be considered. You have to also remember that they think EtG is awesome, so why should they even consider PBT?

Lorie

--------- Re: Re: etgEthylglucuronide Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 2:05 AM

Hi Jill,

We share so much in common...4 years clean, multiple positive etg's, same MD, both on Antabuse and Diflucan...Yes, this test has wreaked havoc in my life for 4 years now.

You can contact Dr. Skipper through his website at http://www.supermro .com. I think it has his email address there.

Lorie

------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: JILL hall <jillypill@sbcglobal .net>

Hey lorie....thanks for being crazy along side me.....it seems completely insane to me that they would revoke me with all the people who will vouch for me and like you said to extend my probation is just as insane as i have proved i am incapable of not getting pos etg's...who knows, i am hanging on to my hope and setting my sights on letting me go..we'll see....how do I get to this Dr skipper..and thanks for the heads up on the bob fella ill call him...i was told that if i pay 50. and call the compass mro that i could get my levels...nice little extra cash flow gig huh? we'll have to meet sometime we share many common contacts..Robin if i can get my hands on those numbers il give them to ya...ran san diego marathon on 6/1 barnone most emotional , spritual and physical experince i've had...i can'y wait to do it again....... Jill

[Guest guest]

Yes at the clinic I worked at I took PBT's twice a day since the lab had a commercial grade tester machine for truck driver physicals. I had this done free of charge.This was excellent defence when I had one of my many etg positives. I also had regular mcv,ggt,and cdt. Everything helps. I was even going to get my own SCRAM system. Dr. Dan

Re: Re: etg

Ethylglucuronide

Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 2:05 AM

Hi Jill,

We share so much in common...4 years clean, multiple positive etg's, same MD, both on Antabuse and Diflucan...Yes, this test has wreaked havoc in my life for 4 years now.

You can contact Dr. Skipper through his website at http://www.supermro .com. I think it has his email address there.

Lorie

------------ -- Original message ------------ --

From: JILL hall <jillypill@sbcglobal .net>

Hey lorie....thanks for being crazy along side me.....it seems completely insane to me that they would revoke me with all the people who will vouch for me and like you said to extend my probation is just as insane as i have proved i am incapable of not getting pos etg's...who knows, i am hanging on to my hope and setting my sights on letting me go..we'll see....how do I get to this Dr skipper..and thanks for the heads up on the bob fella ill call him...i was told that if i pay 50. and call the compass mro that i could get my levels...nice little extra cash flow gig huh? we'll have to meet sometime we share many common contacts..Robin if i can get my hands on those numbers il give them to ya...ran san diego marathon on 6/1 barnone most emotional , spritual and physical experince i've had...i can'y wait to do it again....... Jill

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[Guest guest]

I disagree with you Lorie. I do not think the body is making alcohol however I think the body is producing etg by using other donors of ethyl groups besides ethyl alcohol. The organic chemistry is so simple that it is overwhelmingly compelling. I do not think we need the yeast or the glucose always. Dr. Dan

Re: Re: etg

Diflucan is an antifungal drug. Some of us have eliminated any/all external (food, hygiene products, cleaning products) sources of alcohol and still have positive EtG's. That means that the source of the ethanol is the body itself--it is manufacturing it. This is explained in the scientific literature. Given sugar and yeast, the body can manufacture its own alcohol. So the idea is to cut-off the yeast supply (by taking Diflucan), cut off the alcohol production, and stop the EtG problem.

I have no knowledge or experience with either blood or hair testing for EtG.

My own board uses a cookie cutter approach--every participant gets EtG tested every time. They do not deviate from that, so no, PBT (breathalyzer) would not be considered. You have to also remember that they think EtG is awesome, so why should they even consider PBT?

Lorie

--------- Re: Re: etg

Ethylglucuronide

Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 2:05 AM

Hi Jill,

We share so much in common...4 years clean, multiple positive etg's, same MD, both on Antabuse and Diflucan...Yes, this test has wreaked havoc in my life for 4 years now.

You can contact Dr. Skipper through his website at http://www.supermro .com. I think it has his email address there.

Lorie

------------ -- Original message ------------ --

From: JILL hall <jillypill@sbcglobal .net>

Hey lorie....thanks for being crazy along side me.....it seems completely insane to me that they would revoke me with all the people who will vouch for me and like you said to extend my probation is just as insane as i have proved i am incapable of not getting pos etg's...who knows, i am hanging on to my hope and setting my sights on letting me go..we'll see....how do I get to this Dr skipper..and thanks for the heads up on the bob fella ill call him...i was told that if i pay 50. and call the compass mro that i could get my levels...nice little extra cash flow gig huh? we'll have to meet sometime we share many common contacts..Robin if i can get my hands on those numbers il give them to ya...ran san diego marathon on 6/1 barnone most emotional , spritual and physical experince i've had...i can'y wait to do it again....... Jill

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[Guest guest]

Dr DAn can yo explain in simple er nurse terms what are talkning about...please

[Guest guest]

We have been told that the only way etg can be formed is by linking ethyl alcohol and glucoronide together in liver microsomes in the presences of glucornyl transferase. However we need to look at two larger facts when dealing with etg to make sense out of it. One is that glucuonide formation is a MAJOR DETOXIFICATION PATHWAY used by animals,plants,microbes and all living things to get rid of toxic substance. I was able to defend myself in front of my state board with literature from the 1980's which showed E.coli produced glucornyl transferase activity before it was conclusively discovered in Sweden by Helander et al. The microbes that are used to neutralize oil spills do so by forming glucuronides which then are water soluble. The next factor is that ethyl alcohol is a very simple molecule composed of only two atoms of carbon. In organic chemistry we call a hydrated two carbon chain an ethyl group.There are millions of organic compounds which contain ethyl groups and they are very easy to to transfer from one compound to another. So under the canopy of heaven we have many sources for the enzyme to produce etg and there is a myriad of sources for the simple ethyl group and of course glucoronide is a natural substance in urine I am surprised there is not more false positives, This is a scientifically irrational test. Does this make sense.? Dr.Dan

Re: etg

Dr DAn can yo explain in simple er nurse terms what are talkning about...please

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It absolutely does and gracias senor

[Guest guest]

Because glucuronide formation is such a basic function and because ethyl alcohol is such a simple molecule a method to avoid false positives is doomed to failure particularly with nutrient rich urine I.e.urine with carbs. wbc's blood or mucous exposed to room temperature and microbes. I have been involved in a etg case where a urine specimen was placed in a locker in 80 degree heat for 4 days before sent for interpretation. Now where else in science would you submit a highly degraded specimen for evaluation----knowing it to be fermented and then giving somebody ten days in jail based on the result------it's not science it is madness-----it is like Salem, Mass. all over again. We are witnessing a modern day witch hunt using a metaphysical fantasy substituting as science. And the guy who started it all has come on tv and said "oooopphhsss!!!!" What more do we need? This should be enough.Dr. Dan

Re: etg

It absolutely does and gracias senor

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[Guest guest]

well said, thanks u dr d

>

> Because glucuronide formation is such a basic function and because

ethyl alcohol is such a simple molecule a method to avoid false

positives is doomed to failure particularly with nutrient rich urine

I.e.urine with carbs. wbc's blood or mucous exposed to room

temperature and microbes. I have been involved in a etg case where a

urine specimen was placed in a locker in 80 degree heat for 4 days

before sent for interpretation. Now where else in science would you

submit a highly degraded specimen for evaluation----knowing it to be

fermented and then giving somebody ten days in jail based on the

result------it's not science it is madness-----it is like Salem, Mass.

all over again.? We are witnessing a modern day witch hunt using a

metaphysical fantasy substituting as science. And the guy who started

it all has come on tv and said " oooopphhsss!!!! " What more do we need?

This should be enough.Dr. Dan

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Dr Dan i have an attorney and i need to somehow get this information to him and I do not have your brain and knowledge..have you any suggestions on literature or experts that i can get to him?