Re: Re: gender differences/sex

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i do think a short female urethra would make possible EtG making e. coli slightly more likely to be present in the bladde rsay after sex...i would also be willing to go to any lengths and participate in intense clinical research for this study...double blind cross over study randomized would be lots of fun..good science too.... Tracey <drtracey1982@...> wrote: I understand the differences in our metabolism, ect...I don't buy the short urethra explanation. Give up sex?? Are you kidding? Ha, just a

light moment with a horrific reality...I have a close personal friend on the CA BOP he had to recuse himself from case in fact. When I told him of the abominations occuring to me, he (2 years ago)sent out the inspector's on a fact finding quest. He looked into the whole Maximus program, but everyone kept there mouth shut for fear of retribution. But this time around, the same people are complaining to the same inspectors. The diversion program for the CA BOP is required to report results to the Board in the sunset report. The last one was done in 2002 or 2003. The sunset report is supposed to be done every 2 years, but the Board got legislation passed last year to make the reports due only every 4 years. No one can touch Maximus or the CA BOP because of the money they bring to the state. According to many Rph's I know in the nation, the whole Board changed when the past ex director came in and was charged to bring the

coffers up and stop being in the red. So, she started fining pharmacies for having tissue laying on the counter(a joke)thousands of $$$$ and brought the board into a green making subsidy. Liz if your going to the governor, wait for me, I'm in with ya.> > On prior posting it has been suggested that most of false > positive > > etg's are in females. Theories have been proposed regarding > metabolism > > of estrogen,lipid metabolism,ethyl esters and up regulation of > liver > > microsomes during menstrual cycles. These theories hurt my head > with > > there complexity. Mother Nature does not work this way. The reason > > women have a much higher rate of false positives is because women > have > > a shorter uretera. This makes it much more likely for women to have > > microbes in the bladder(10%) and guess what, that rate rises during > > mentrual period. THIRD LAW OF ETG "ETG DISCRIMINATES BY REASON OF > > GENDER AND THEREFORE VIOLATES FEDERAL

LAW"> >> Why do you not beleive my theory of false positives esp. after it has > been proven experimentally? I was able to convince my own Board. If I > cannot convince you and the knowledgeable members of this group then > how can I convince a judge. If these false positives are caused by > incidental exposure and differences in metabolism then raise the > threshold but if they are being caused by E.coli and other microbes > then there is no technological fix. We cannot live in a bubble.dd2>

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sounds good but he's going to be dealing with this tragic fire for a while ...are any of you near it??In a message dated 10/23/2007 7:59:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drtracey1982@... writes:

I say let's do it. Hopefully we can get most of us in CA dialed intothis meeting. The governator can't discount us in numbers. What doyou all think?>> I just spoke to the Constituent Affairs Department of the Governor'soffice. We as a group can request an appointment with the Governor,(or one of his reps.) What do you think?>

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I just spoke to the Constituent Affairs Department of the Governor's office. We as a group can request an appointment with the Governor, (or one of his reps.) What do you think?

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I will be glad to arrange it, but we need to coordinate it so those who want to can show up.

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I would be in--am 2 1/2 hours North of Sac. I just wouldn't want to be one of the talkers--I'm not as educated on the subjet and as articulate as some on this site. And I agree on the issue of the tragic fires. I was born & raised in L.A. but haven't ived in So. CA for 10 years. Anyone on this site near any of the fires? My prayers are with anyone who is.

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sounds good but he's going to be dealing with this tragic fire for a while ...are any of you near it??In a message dated 10/23/2007 7:59:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drtracey1982 writes:

I say let's do it. Hopefully we can get most of us in CA dialed intothis meeting. The governator can't discount us in numbers. What doyou all think?>> I just spoke to the Constituent Affairs Department of the Governor'soffice. We as a group can request an appointment with the Governor,(or one of his reps.) What do you think?>

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The meeting would be more fruitful if the govs rep had some type of scientist or medical expert along since the merits of the case are all scientific and apparrently difficult to understand unless you are an overweight retired internist who needs a heart transplant. And by the way this homestead.com etg site is Dr. Skipper's ETG site and it contains none of the information I am looking for. If I wanted that information I would call up Quest. And Lorie if your sleeping so well then why are you posting at 1:00am. HAH! LAL!

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I would be in--am 2 1/2 hours North of Sac. I just wouldn't want to be one of the talkers--I'm not as educated on the subjet and as articulate as some on this site. And I agree on the issue of the tragic fires. I was born & raised in L.A. but haven't ived in So. CA for 10 years. Anyone on this site near any of the fires? My prayers are with anyone who is.

Re: Re: gender differences/sex

sounds good but he's going to be dealing with this tragic fire for a while ...are any of you near it??In a message dated 10/23/2007 7:59:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drtracey1982 writes:

I say let's do it. Hopefully we can get most of us in CA dialed into

this meeting. The governator can't discount us in numbers. What do

you all think?

>

> I just spoke to the Constituent Affairs Department of the Governor's

office. We as a group can request an appointment with the Governor,

(or one of his reps.) What do you think?

>

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"...an overweight retired internist who needs a heart transplant"

WHO IS THIS???

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sounds good but he's going to be dealing with this tragic fire for a while ...are any of you near it??In a message dated 10/23/2007 7:59:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drtracey1982 writes:

I say let's do it. Hopefully we can get most of us in CA dialed intothis meeting. The governator can't discount us in numbers. What doyou all think?>> I just spoke to the Constituent Affairs Department of the Governor'soffice. We as a group can request an appointment with the Governor,(or one of his reps.) What do you think?>

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You arrange it. I'll be there. There are several from the Sacto. area (I know who you are and I will hunt you down!).

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Liz Cleveland <mslizrn_2001@...>

I will be glad to arrange it, but we need to coordinate it so those who want to can show up.

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OK....I'm in on that one too!!!

I have always agreed with Robin's point about the

metabolism male/female aspect. That was one of my

first questions to Skipper (That was the one he posted

in his FAQ). As his reply was....time and more

research will tell. More IS and more WILL be revealed

about this test...we just need to hang in there!

Dan, Could you find some lab with the capacity to run

Etg's to help you with any studies?

--- robin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote:

> i do think a short female urethra would make

> possible EtG making e. coli slightly more likely to

> be present in the bladde rsay after sex...i would

> also be willing to go to any lengths and participate

> in intense clinical research for this study...double

> blind cross over study randomized would be lots of

> fun..good science too....

>

> Tracey <drtracey1982@...> wrote:

> I understand the differences in our

> metabolism, ect...I don't buy the

> short urethra explanation. Give up sex?? Are you

> kidding? Ha, just a

> light moment with a horrific reality...I have a

> close personal friend

> on the CA BOP he had to recuse himself from case in

> fact. When I

> told him of the abominations occuring to me, he (2

> years ago)sent out

> the inspector's on a fact finding quest. He looked

> into the whole

> Maximus program, but everyone kept there mouth shut

> for fear of

> retribution. But this time around, the same people

> are complaining to

> the same inspectors. The diversion program for the

> CA BOP is

> required to report results to the Board in the

> sunset report. The

> last one was done in 2002 or 2003. The sunset report

> is supposed to

> be done every 2 years, but the Board got legislation

> passed last year

> to make the reports due only every 4 years. No one

> can touch Maximus

> or the CA BOP because of the money they bring to the

> state.

> According to many Rph's I know in the nation, the

> whole Board changed

> when the past ex director came in and was charged to

> bring the

> coffers up and stop being in the red. So, she

> started fining

> pharmacies for having tissue laying on the counter(a

> joke)thousands

> of $$$$ and brought the board into a green making

> subsidy. Liz if

> your going to the governor, wait for me, I'm in with

> ya.

>

>

> > > On prior posting it has been suggested that most

> of

> false

> > positive

> > > etg's are in females. Theories have been

> proposed regarding

> > metabolism

> > > of estrogen,lipid metabolism,ethyl esters and up

> regulation of

> > liver

> > > microsomes during menstrual cycles. These

> theories hurt my head

> > with

> > > there complexity. Mother Nature does not work

> this way. The

> reason

> > > women have a much higher rate of false positives

> is because women

> > have

> > > a shorter uretera. This makes it much more

> likely for women to

> have

> > > microbes in the bladder(10%) and guess what,

> that rate rises

> during

> > > mentrual period. THIRD LAW OF ETG " ETG

> DISCRIMINATES BY REASON OF

> > > GENDER AND THEREFORE VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW "

> > >

> > Why do you not beleive my theory of false

> positives esp. after it

> has

> > been proven experimentally? I was able to convince

> my own Board. If

> I

> > cannot convince you and the knowledgeable members

> of this group

> then

> > how can I convince a judge. If these false

> positives are caused by

> > incidental exposure and differences in metabolism

> then raise the

> > threshold but if they are being caused by E.coli

> and other microbes

> > then there is no technological fix. We cannot live

> in a bubble.dd2

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I'll show up if at all possible, but prefer to do very little speaking.Tracey <drtracey1982@...> wrote: I say let's do it. Hopefully we can get most of us in CA dialed intothis meeting. The governator can't discount us in numbers. What doyou all think?>> I just spoke to the Constituent Affairs Department of the Governor'soffice. We as a group can

request an appointment with the Governor,(or one of his reps.) What do you think?> __________________________________________________

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Gee Marsha, when I first read your response, I thought you were referring to Dr. Dan's double-blind(folded) Short Urethera Hypothesis sex study that Robin, and I have signed up for.....

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Marsha Dienelt <marshadienelt@...>

I'll show up if at all possible, but prefer to do very little speaking.Tracey <drtracey1982 > wrote:

I say let's do it. Hopefully we can get most of us in CA dialed intothis meeting. The governator can't discount us in numbers. What doyou all think?>> I just spoke to the Constituent Affairs Department of the Governor'soffice. We as a group can request an appointment with the Governor,(or one of his reps.) What do you think?>

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Well, that sounds good, too!!!saclorie@... wrote: Gee Marsha, when I first read your response, I thought you were referring to Dr. Dan's double-blind(folded) Short Urethera Hypothesis sex study that Robin, and I have signed up for..... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Marsha Dienelt <marshadienelt > I'll show up if at all possible, but prefer to do very little

speaking.Tracey <drtracey1982 > wrote: I say let's do it. Hopefully we can get most of us in CA dialed intothis meeting. The governator can't discount us in numbers. What doyou all think?>> I just spoke to the Constituent Affairs Department of the Governor'soffice. We as a group can request an appointment with the Governor,(or one of his reps.) What do you think?> __________________________________________________

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Ditto Marsha--I will attend but have very little to say as my 2 positives didn't effect my probation with the BRN at all. My probation monitor said she didn't give it any weight at all, but those above her at the BRN would consider them if I opted for early release, so I just let it lie. I'm done on Feb. 6!!!!

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I'll show up if at all possible, but prefer to do very little speaking.Tracey <drtracey1982 > wrote:

I say let's do it. Hopefully we can get most of us in CA dialed intothis meeting. The governator can't discount us in numbers. What doyou all think?>> I just spoke to the Constituent Affairs Department of the Governor'soffice. We as a group can request an appointment with the Governor,(or one of his reps.) What do you think?>

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