Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting for results from another test I took last week, I am assumin it is going to positive too. You know whats funny is I have been testing on the side with US health I forget the name, there test have all been negative. I take them the same day I test with compass. The day I tested with compass at a level of 380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. I called the private lab I used and theY work with dr. skipper. They have the best warning on their lab website regarding etg testing see attachment. --- Lorie Garlick <lorieg@...> wrote: > , > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take a > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under the > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the > pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them > disprove it!! > Lorie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Sorry it attached the whole website. Go under etg testing then ethyl sulfate and it has a better info then most labs. > > > , > > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take a > > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under the > > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my > > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the > > pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence > > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them > > disprove it!! > > Lorie > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 JULIE, how long have you been testing at the other lab? How many times have you tested twice on the same day like that, and are you saying that EVERY time you double test, the test is negative for etg at the non-compassvision lab???? What the F*CK is up with that? Does that make anyone else as ragingly suspicious as me?? Amy > > > , > > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take a > > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under the > > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my > > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the > > pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence > > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them > > disprove it!! > > Lorie > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 "They have the best warning on their lab website regarding etg testing" US Healthtests does? Prey tell, what is it? I'm not terribly fond of a website for EtG with a cartoon that claims "No more secret drinking!" It might be more accurate to boast, "No more job, no more license, It'll ruin your life." I must be looking at the wrong website. Re: PING: Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting forresults from another test I took last week, I amassumin it is going to positive too. You know whatsfunny is I have been testing on the side with UShealth I forget the name, there test have all beennegative. I take them the same day I test withcompass. The day I tested with compass at a level of380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. Icalled the private lab I used and theY work with dr.skipper. They have the best warning on their labwebsite regarding etg testing see attachment.--- Lorie Garlick <lorieglanset> wrote:> ,> If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take a> big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under the> Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my> case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the> pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence> of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them> disprove it!!> Lorie__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Not good. Not good at all. , what is your CM's response to THAT? Re: PING: JULIE, how long have you been testing at the other lab? How many times have you tested twice on the same day like that, and are you saying that EVERY time you double test, the test is negative for etg at the non-compassvision lab???? What the F*CK is up with that? Does that make anyone else as ragingly suspicious as me??Amy> > > ,> > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take a> > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under the> > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my> > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the> > pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence> > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them> > disprove it!!> > Lorie> > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Sorry, , I just really hate anything associated with EtG that looks comical or cute. There's nothing funny about this. The advertising is false and it's been reported to FTC by several people here. Hiding a few important facts amongst the fine print doesn't make up for anything, because we all know that few people ever read that stuff anyways. Re: PING: > > > Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting> for> results from another test I took last week, I am> assumin it is going to positive too. You know> whats> funny is I have been testing on the side with US> health I forget the name, there test have all been> negative. I take them the same day I test with> compass. The day I tested with compass at a level> of> 380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. I> called the private lab I used and theY work with> dr.> skipper. They have the best warning on their lab> website regarding etg testing see attachment.> > > --- Lorie Garlick <lorieglanset> wrote:> > > ,> > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra,> take a> > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under> the> > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to> my> > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the> > pathway themselves. You are providing the> evidence> > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them> > disprove it!!> > Lorie> > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 The negative second test could be a result of time. How long after the 1st test was the 2nd test? From: Ethylglucuronide [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf Of Bonnie Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:09 AM To: Ethylglucuronide Subject: RE: PING: , That is very odd. Why would you test positive with one lab and negative with the other.....on the same day? That is something to look into and challenge the positives. Bonnie From: Ethylglucuronide [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf Of Hartman Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:20 PM Ethylglucuronide Subject: Re: PING: Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting for results from another test I took last week, I am assumin it is going to positive too. You know whats funny is I have been testing on the side with US health I forget the name, there test have all been negative. I take them the same day I test with compass. The day I tested with compass at a level of 380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. I called the private lab I used and theY work with dr. skipper. They have the best warning on their lab website regarding etg testing see attachment. --- Lorie Garlick <lorieglanset> wrote: > , > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take a > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under the > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the > pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them > disprove it!! > Lorie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I think I read that she said it was 20 minutes. How could that be possible? I do not think that the elimination half life of EtG is that short. Bonnie From: Ethylglucuronide [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf Of Moering, Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:13 PMEthylglucuronide Subject: RE: PING: The negative second test could be a result of time. How long after the 1st test was the 2nd test? From: Ethylglucuronide [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf Of BonnieSent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:09 AMEthylglucuronide Subject: RE: PING: , That is very odd. Why would you test positive with one lab and negative with the other.....on the same day? That is something to look into and challenge the positives. Bonnie From: Ethylglucuronide [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf Of HartmanSent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:20 PMEthylglucuronide Subject: Re: PING: Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting forresults from another test I took last week, I amassumin it is going to positive too. You know whatsfunny is I have been testing on the side with UShealth I forget the name, there test have all beennegative. I take them the same day I test withcompass. The day I tested with compass at a level of380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. Icalled the private lab I used and theY work with dr.skipper. They have the best warning on their labwebsite regarding etg testing see attachment.--- Lorie Garlick <lorieglanset> wrote:> ,> If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take a> big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under the> Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my> case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the> pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence> of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them> disprove it!!> Lorie__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 20 min --- " Moering, " <rmoering@...> wrote: > The negative second test could be a result of time. > How long after the > 1st test was the 2nd test? > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ethylglucuronide > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf > Of Bonnie > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:09 AM > Ethylglucuronide > Subject: RE: PING: > > , > That is very odd. Why would you test positive with > one lab and negative > with the other.....on the same day? That is > something to look into and > challenge the positives. > Bonnie > > ________________________________ > > From: Ethylglucuronide > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf > Of Hartman > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:20 PM > Ethylglucuronide > Subject: Re: PING: > > > Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting for > results from another test I took last week, I am > assumin it is going to positive too. You know whats > funny is I have been testing on the side with US > health I forget the name, there test have all been > negative. I take them the same day I test with > compass. The day I tested with compass at a level of > 380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. I > called the private lab I used and theY work with dr. > skipper. They have the best warning on their lab > website regarding etg testing see attachment. > > > --- Lorie Garlick <lorieg@... > <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> > > wrote: > > > , > > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take > a > > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under > the > > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my > > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the > > pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence > > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them > > disprove it!! > > Lorie > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Great idea Lorie, but remember I had previously sent my prescription for Proventil to them and then tested positive, and was asked for a reason and sent the drug insert with ethanol highlighted and underlined and 3 months later got a letter telling me I was a liar and to submit an accurate and complete explanation of my positive. > > , > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take a big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under the Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them disprove it!! > Lorie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Was the 2nd test valid? Were creatinine levels, specific gravity, etc all WNL? It is hard to pee twice within 20 minutes without drinking lots of water, which can effect the validity of the test. From: Ethylglucuronide [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf Of Hartman Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:19 AM Ethylglucuronide Subject: RE: PING: 20 min --- " Moering, " <rmoeringhealth (DOT) usf.edu> wrote: > The negative second test could be a result of time. > How long after the > 1st test was the 2nd test? > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ethylglucuronide > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf > Of Bonnie > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:09 AM > Ethylglucuronide > Subject: RE: PING: > > , > That is very odd. Why would you test positive with > one lab and negative > with the other.....on the same day? That is > something to look into and > challenge the positives. > Bonnie > > ________________________________ > > From: Ethylglucuronide > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf > Of Hartman > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:20 PM > Ethylglucuronide > Subject: Re: PING: > > > Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting for > results from another test I took last week, I am > assumin it is going to positive too. You know whats > funny is I have been testing on the side with US > health I forget the name, there test have all been > negative. I take them the same day I test with > compass. The day I tested with compass at a level of > 380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. I > called the private lab I used and theY work with dr. > skipper. They have the best warning on their lab > website regarding etg testing see attachment. > > > --- Lorie Garlick <lorieglanset > <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> > > wrote: > > > , > > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take > a > > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under > the > > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my > > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the > > pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence > > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them > > disprove it!! > > Lorie > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 I have been " going " twice now since March, and they are at 2 different places, both are certified drug testing sites. It takes just the right amount of fluids to be WNL. After many trials, I THINK I have got it right.....so far all are valid.........Joy > > > > > , > > > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, take > > a > > > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under > > the > > > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to my > > > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the > > > pathway themselves. You are providing the evidence > > > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them > > > disprove it!! > > > Lorie > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Not very much urine is needed for the firts test, since it is only testing etg/ets. I am sure my creatine was elevated since I have been worried about having dilute urine, which I have been reprimanded in the past for, I don't have the numbers of creatinine. I test with compass, I haven't gotten a straight answer if they do the cratine calculation. --- " Moering, " <rmoering@...> wrote: > Was the 2nd test valid? Were creatinine levels, > specific gravity, etc > all WNL? It is hard to pee twice within 20 minutes > without drinking > lots of water, which can effect the validity of the > test. > > ________________________________ > > From: Ethylglucuronide > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf > Of Hartman > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:19 AM > Ethylglucuronide > Subject: RE: PING: > > 20 min > > --- " Moering, " <rmoering@... > <mailto:rmoering%40health.usf.edu> > wrote: > > > The negative second test could be a result of > time. > > How long after the > > 1st test was the 2nd test? > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> ] On > Behalf > > Of Bonnie > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:09 AM > > Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > Subject: RE: PING: > > > > , > > That is very odd. Why would you test positive with > > one lab and negative > > with the other.....on the same day? That is > > something to look into and > > challenge the positives. > > Bonnie > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> ] On > Behalf > > Of Hartman > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:20 PM > > Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > Subject: Re: PING: > > > > > > Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting > for > > results from another test I took last week, I am > > assumin it is going to positive too. You know > whats > > funny is I have been testing on the side with US > > health I forget the name, there test have all been > > negative. I take them the same day I test with > > compass. The day I tested with compass at a level > of > > 380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. I > > called the private lab I used and theY work with > dr. > > skipper. They have the best warning on their lab > > website regarding etg testing see attachment. > > > > > > --- Lorie Garlick <lorieg@... > <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> > > <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > , > > > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, > take > > a > > > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under > > the > > > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to > my > > > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the > > > pathway themselves. You are providing the > evidence > > > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them > > > disprove it!! > > > Lorie > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 CV does do creatinine levels. In CA if it is below 20 on the creatinine, it is either considered out-of-range or dilute, depending on the #'s. Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: Not very much urine is needed for the firts test,since it is only testing etg/ets. I am sure mycreatine was elevated since I have been worried abouthaving dilute urine, which I have been reprimanded inthe past for, I don't have the numbers of creatinine.I test with compass, I haven't gotten a straightanswer if they do the cratine calculation. --- "Moering, " <rmoeringhealth (DOT) usf.edu> wrote:> Was the 2nd test valid? Were creatinine levels,> specific gravity, etc> all WNL? It is hard to pee twice within 20 minutes> without drinking> lots of water, which can effect the validity of the> test. > > ________________________________> > From: Ethylglucuronide > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf> Of Hartman> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:19 AM> Ethylglucuronide > Subject: RE: PING: > > 20 min > > --- "Moering, " <rmoeringhealth (DOT) usf.edu> <mailto:rmoering%40health.usf.edu> > wrote:> > > The negative second test could be a result of> time. > > How long after the> > 1st test was the 2nd test? > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > From: Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> ] On> Behalf> > Of Bonnie> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:09 AM> > Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > Subject: RE: PING: > > > > ,> > That is very odd. Why would you test positive with> > one lab and negative> > with the other.....on the same day? That is> > something to look into and> > challenge the positives.> > Bonnie> > > > ________________________________> > > > From: Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> ] On> Behalf> > Of Hartman> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:20 PM> > Ethylglucuronide > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > Subject: Re: PING: > > > > > > Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting> for> > results from another test I took last week, I am> > assumin it is going to positive too. You know> whats> > funny is I have been testing on the side with US> > health I forget the name, there test have all been> > negative. I take them the same day I test with> > compass. The day I tested with compass at a level> of> > 380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. I> > called the private lab I used and theY work with> dr.> > skipper. They have the best warning on their lab> > website regarding etg testing see attachment.> > > > > > --- Lorie Garlick <lorieglanset> <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> > > <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> >> > wrote:> > > > > ,> > > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra,> take> > a> > > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL under> > the> > > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to> my> > > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the> > > pathway themselves. You are providing the> evidence> > > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them> > > disprove it!!> > > Lorie> > > > __________________________________________________> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 what I meant is I wonder if the concentration of urine is effectin my etg levels --- Marsha Dienelt <marshadienelt@...> wrote: > CV does do creatinine levels. In CA if it is below > 20 on the creatinine, it is either considered > out-of-range or dilute, depending on the #'s. > > Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: > Not very much urine is needed for the firts test, > since it is only testing etg/ets. I am sure my > creatine was elevated since I have been worried > about > having dilute urine, which I have been reprimanded > in > the past for, I don't have the numbers of > creatinine. > I test with compass, I haven't gotten a straight > answer if they do the cratine calculation. > > > --- " Moering, " <rmoering@...> > wrote: > > > Was the 2nd test valid? Were creatinine levels, > > specific gravity, etc > > all WNL? It is hard to pee twice within 20 minutes > > without drinking > > lots of water, which can effect the validity of > the > > test. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Ethylglucuronide > > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On > Behalf > > Of Hartman > > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:19 AM > > Ethylglucuronide > > Subject: RE: PING: > > > > 20 min > > > > --- " Moering, " <rmoering@... > > <mailto:rmoering%40health.usf.edu> > wrote: > > > > > The negative second test could be a result of > > time. > > > How long after the > > > 1st test was the 2nd test? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Ethylglucuronide > > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide > > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> ] On > > Behalf > > > Of Bonnie > > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:09 AM > > > Ethylglucuronide > > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > > Subject: RE: PING: > > > > > > , > > > That is very odd. Why would you test positive > with > > > one lab and negative > > > with the other.....on the same day? That is > > > something to look into and > > > challenge the positives. > > > Bonnie > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Ethylglucuronide > > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > > [mailto:Ethylglucuronide > > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> ] On > > Behalf > > > Of Hartman > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:20 PM > > > Ethylglucuronide > > <mailto:Ethylglucuronide%40> > > > Subject: Re: PING: > > > > > > > > > Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting > > for > > > results from another test I took last week, I am > > > assumin it is going to positive too. You know > > whats > > > funny is I have been testing on the side with US > > > health I forget the name, there test have all > been > > > negative. I take them the same day I test with > > > compass. The day I tested with compass at a > level > > of > > > 380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets. > I > > > called the private lab I used and theY work with > > dr. > > > skipper. They have the best warning on their lab > > > website regarding etg testing see attachment. > > > > > > > > > --- Lorie Garlick <lorieg@... > > <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> > > > <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > , > > > > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra, > > take > > > a > > > > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL > under > > > the > > > > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to > > my > > > > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the > > > > pathway themselves. You are providing the > > evidence > > > > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them > > > > disprove it!! > > > > Lorie > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Can you ask your CM for your creatinine levels? They do run creatinine with each collection. Re: PING: > > > > > > > > > Thank you, thats how I saw it, they are waiting> > for> > > results from another test I took last week, I am> > > assumin it is going to positive too. You know> > whats> > > funny is I have been testing on the side with US> > > health I forget the name, there test have all> been> > > negative. I take them the same day I test with> > > compass. The day I tested with compass at a> level> > of> > > 380 etg, the other test was neg for etg and ets.> I> > > called the private lab I used and theY work with> > dr.> > > skipper. They have the best warning on their lab> > > website regarding etg testing see attachment.> > > > > > > > > --- Lorie Garlick <lorieglanset> > <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> > > > <mailto:lorieg%40lanset.com> >> > > wrote:> > > > > > > ,> > > > If it were me, I'd print the info from Astra,> > take> > > a> > > > big highlighter pen over the word ETHANOL> under> > > the> > > > Chemical Name (under Description) & give it to> > my> > > > case manager. Let THEM try and figure out the> > > > pathway themselves. You are providing the> > evidence> > > > of where the ethanol is coming from. Let them> > > > disprove it!!> > > > Lorie> > > > > >> __________________________________________________> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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