Re: EtG risk factors/research

[Guest guest]

you're right.....I did a meta-analysis of a multi-study... I stand corrected good catch!

[Guest guest]

really!! what's up with that guy? It's like he's got it all "figured" out. It's like he thinks that not drinking is all you have to do. It's like he doesn't fall for conspiracy theories and stuff.

what ever

mike

[Guest guest]

--- said:

In regards to the police officer whose daughter ad pot. " How many

college dreams has he ruined by arresting kids instead of taking them

home to their parents? " Did he (the police officer) ruin the kids'

lives or did they do it themselves by obtaining and using the pot?

Who

holds responsibility? Answer - not the police. They didn't make the

law or put the pot in the hands of the drug user. The kids did that

themselves.

DING WRONG ANSWER BOBBY, BUT THANKS FOR PLAYING

I disagree that obtaining and using pot is a serious enough offense

to ruin a kids life. Of course the police didn't make the law,

however, they can use discretion when approaching cases such as

these.

Do I think kids should use pot? No, I don't. So don't play the " to

protect the children " card with me. However, I do not think a kid

is a criminal because the use or possess pot. The cops are over-

zealous in arresting and persecutors are too quick to prosecute

people for victimless crimes.

I beleive it is because they are scared of the real criminals. All

they care about is how many arrests and how many convictions they

can get. They have turned into paramilitary units waging a war

against the citizens of this country. SWAT teams are the norm now,

not the exception. They want to battle with civilians, most of who

are unarmed, and guess who wins everytime? If they want to be

soldiers they need to get their pussy asses over to Iraq and fight

other soldiers. But, wait.....that might be too scary for the pansy

asses.

And besides, the point was the HYPOCRICY. This cop felt it was

unjust when it happened to his daughter because she was innocent.

Whether she was innocent or not is beside the point. The point is,

he has no problem ruining other kids lives, but when it comes to

his daughter, WELL HELL, IT JUST AINT RIGHT.

I guess he just assumed that his other cop friends would just call

him and take her home if they caught her. Which is EXACTLY what

they should do with all kids they catch in victimless crimes.

In Ethylglucuronide , " Moering, "

<rmoering@...> wrote:

>

> Non-Alcoholic Beer does contain alcohol, so yes, drinking non-

alcoholic

> beer is a problem for the alcoholic. Should an opioid addict, who

has

> never been a drinker of alcohol, be drinking non-alcoholic beer?

If the

> person is in a monitoring program with EtG testing certainly not.

>

> In the Journal Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research, a

team of

> California scientists report that smell may be enough to trigger

> cravings and a subsequent relapse among certain alcoholics. Both

alcohol

> and the anticipation of alcohol may raise levels of a brain

chemical

> called dopamine, which plays a role in feelings of elation and

pleasure.

>

> Dr. Pepper containing alcohol? Synthetic alcohol is used as a

solvent

> to prepare some of the ingredients but IS NOT found in either the

Dr

> Pepper or Sugar Free Dr Pepper formula. Not going to be a cause

for

> positive EtG.

>

> Out of range creatinine is out of range, period. It does not

matter if

> it is 19 or 1.

>

> In regards to the police officer whose daughter ad pot. " How many

> college dreams has he ruined by arresting kids instead of taking

them

> home to their parents? " Did he (the police officer) ruin the kids'

> lives or did they do it themselves by obtaining and using the

pot? Who

> holds responsibility? Answer - not the police. They didn't make

the

> law or put the pot in the hands of the drug user. The kids did

that

> themselves.

>

> Lorie wrote " My point is that a scientific study would eliminate

these

> faulty explanations. I think this site has been great for

generating

> IDEAS that need to be looked into SCIENTIFICALLY. We lack

scientific

> suport/funding. " I still could not agree more. Research is

needed and

> is being done. Publications will be forthcoming and grants have

been

> written for larger studies. I don't recall who wrote the idea of

> splitting into 3 experiment groups (tylenol/hydrocodone, gender,

and

> drugs that block liver oxidative pathways), but I liked the idea.

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: EtG risk factors/research

>

>

> Don't even remind me about that whole " alcoholic drinking "

argument. So

> someone who likes the flavor of beer that is labeled and marketed

as

> " non-alcoholic " consumes 5-6 on a hot summer day -- WHERE is it

that

> their thinking went askew, I ask? Remember, I compared it with

consuming

> " sparkling cider " on Thanksgiving? Golly, I was just trying to

figure

> out if I was in some sort of dangerous " relapse mode " or

something. And

> if I overindulge on the turkey, stuffing, and pumpkin pies, could

that

> be construed as " binge eating " -- which, by application of the

Gateway

> Theory, could mean my mind is in dangerous territory? Addiction

> medicine.....such a pseudoscience.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Hey Bobby,

I have an idea for your study. You need to compare outcomes between

people who have quit and put it behind them against people who

are " in recovery " obsessing about it every day.

Bet ya a million bucks the " in recovery " crowd will drink far more

often than those who have just quit.

In Ethylglucuronide , " Moering, "

<rmoering@...> wrote:

>

> I agree that state of mind is very important in relationship to

relapse.

> A person who is already thinking about drinking is more likely to

drink

> because of smell. Smell does not explain everything for everyone,

but

> does explain some for others (even those who may not be thinking

about

> drinking). Problem is we can't tell who will/will not be affected

by

> smell alone.

>

>

>

> There are people who are committed to researching the ideas

submitted,

> me included. I am unable to discuss what has been done at this

time,

> but will happily share once the paper has been accepted for

publication

> and is in press. I hear your concerns about the usability of EtG

and

> need to conduct research on the population for which it will be

used.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Ethylglucuronide

> [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf Of N

> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:08 AM

> Ethylglucuronide

> Subject: RE: Re: EtG risk factors/research

>

>

>

> Dr. Moering, The research that IS being done....does that include

any of

> the groups we have discussed here? A 'general' population study

which

> does NOT include those who have abused tylenol, etc for years will

NOT

> yield accurate results in my opinion. Is the research accually to

> determine reasons for false positives or to further back the use

of this

> test. For adequate research it NEEDS to be tested on the

population for

> which it will be used!!!

>

> Also, as far as the smell or thought of alcohol triggering a

relapse in

> certain alcoholics, a huge peice of information may be missing.

If they

> wanted to use, then yes, I can see they would blame smelling

alcohol for

> a relapse. Many alcoholics and drug addicts have had to have

surgery

> requiring narcotic and addictive medications and went through that

fine

> without a relapse following. If SMELL can trigger a relapse, I

would

> question then, WHY aren't health professionals relapsing right and

left

> with the use of Purell? I believe anything concerning relapse is

more a

> state of mind FIRST...then something physical. Just wanted to

throw out

> another way to view those statistics.

>

> And I must add, thanks for the support of some of our ideas!

>

>

>

>

>

> " Moering, " <rmoering@...> wrote:

>

> Non-Alcoholic Beer does contain alcohol, so yes, drinking

> non-alcoholic

> beer is a problem for the alcoholic. Should an opioid addict,

> who has

> never been a drinker of alcohol, be drinking non-alcoholic

beer?

> If the

> person is in a monitoring program with EtG testing certainly

> not.

>

> In the Journal Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research,

a

> team of

> California scientists report that smell may be enough to

trigger

> cravings and a subsequent relapse among certain alcoholics.

Both

> alcohol

> and the anticipation of alcohol may raise levels of a brain

> chemical

> called dopamine, which plays a role in feelings of elation

and

> pleasure.

>

> Dr. Pepper containing alcohol? Synthetic alcohol is used as a

> solvent

> to prepare some of the ingredients but IS NOT found in either

> the Dr

> Pepper or Sugar Free Dr Pepper formula. Not going to be a

cause

> for

> positive EtG.

>

> Out of range creatinine is out of range, period. It does not

> matter if

> it is 19 or 1.

>

> In regards to the police officer whose daughter ad pot. " How

> many

> college dreams has he ruined by arresting kids instead of

taking

> them

> home to their parents? " Did he (the police officer) ruin the

> kids'

> lives or did they do it themselves by obtaining and using the

> pot? Who

> holds responsibility? Answer - not the police. They didn't

make

> the

> law or put the pot in the hands of the drug user. The kids

did

> that

> themselves.

>

> Lorie wrote " My point is that a scientific study would

eliminate

> these

> faulty explanations. I think this site has been great for

> generating

> IDEAS that need to be looked into SCIENTIFICALLY. We lack

> scientific

> suport/funding. " I still could not agree more. Research is

> needed and

> is being done. Publications will be forthcoming and grants

have

> been

> written for larger studies. I don't recall who wrote the

idea of

> splitting into 3 experiment groups (tylenol/hydrocodone,

gender,

> and

> drugs that block liver oxidative pathways), but I liked the

> idea.

>

> Re: EtG risk factors/research

>

> Don't even remind me about that whole " alcoholic drinking "

> argument. So

> someone who likes the flavor of beer that is labeled and

> marketed as

> " non-alcoholic " consumes 5-6 on a hot summer day -- WHERE is

it

> that

> their thinking went askew, I ask? Remember, I compared it

with

> consuming

> " sparkling cider " on Thanksgiving? Golly, I was just trying

to

> figure

> out if I was in some sort of dangerous " relapse mode " or

> something. And

> if I overindulge on the turkey, stuffing, and pumpkin pies,

> could that

> be construed as " binge eating " -- which, by application of

the

> Gateway

> Theory, could mean my mind is in dangerous territory?

Addiction

> medicine.....such a pseudoscience.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

>

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>

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>

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[Guest guest]

exactly!

[Guest guest]

Normally I would not respond to your trash, but, DUDE YOU NEED SOME SERIOUS HELP!!! ARE YOU REALLY AN MD? YOU ARE FALLING OFF THE DEEP END! I THINK YOUR BOARD SHOULD INVESTIGATE YOU FURTHER! ARE YOU IN IN SOME KIND OF COUNCELING? WTF IS UP WITH YOU?

Re: Re: EtG risk factors/research

I have performed a multi-study meta-analysis reviewing the relapse rate in recovering alcoholics and addicts who think yeast infections cause positive ETG's and found them to be in denial at an alarming rate. One specific article referenced that the belief in motrin methylation was a good initial indicator of bullshit. 4 in 10 subjects thought that only drinking alcohol by mouth counts as alcohol ingestion, and that sniffing, bathing, gargling, vaginal douching, or rectal enemas are benign behaviors. That same 4 in 10 subjects didn't count anal sex as affecting their virginity. An astonishing 80% of those surveyed thought the government and professional licensing boards were the cause of all their problems.

1 person, in evidently hundreds, knows that selfishness is a leading contributor to causing positive ETG's, while humility is the masking agent.

Unknown Author

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[Guest guest]

" Multi-study meta-analysis " is redundant. So are your asinine posts.

>

> I have performed a multi-study meta-analysis reviewing the relapse

rate in

> recovering alcoholics and addicts who think yeast infections cause

positive

> ETG's and found them to be in denial at an alarming rate. One

specific article

> referenced that the belief in motrin methylation was a good

initial

> indicator of bullshit. 4 in 10 subjects thought that only drinking

alcohol by mouth

> counts as alcohol ingestion, and that sniffing, bathing, gargling,

vaginal

> douching, or rectal enemas are benign behaviors. That same 4 in 10

subjects

> didn't count anal sex as affecting their virginity. An

astonishing 80% of those

> surveyed thought the government and professional licensing boards

were the

> cause of all their problems.

>

> 1 person, in evidently hundreds, knows that selfishness is a

leading

> contributor to causing positive ETG's, while humility is the

masking agent.

>

>

>

> Unknown Author

>

[Guest guest]

Dude, this article is right up your alley. I'll bet it involves some of your favorite pastimes...cross-dressing and autoerotica with Carlo Rossi rectal enemas. But don't try this at home...It killed this guy! Scroll down to "What's the most unusual cause of death you've investigated?"

http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/Content?oid=oid%3A246372

>> I have performed a multi-study meta-analysis reviewing the relapse rate in > recovering alcoholics and addicts who think yeast infections cause positive > ETG's and found them to be in denial at an alarming rate. One specific article > referenced that the belief in motrin methylation was a good initial > indicator of bullshit. 4 in 10 subjects thought that only drinking alcohol by mouth > counts as alcohol ingestion, and that sniffing, bathing, gargling, vaginal > douching, or rectal enemas are benign behaviors. That same 4 in 10 subjects > didn't count anal sex as affecting their virginity. An astonishing 80% of those > surveyed thought the government and professional licensing boards were the > cause of all their problems.> > 1 person, in evidently hundreds, knows that selfishness is a leading > contributor to causing positive ETG's, while humility is the masking agent.> > > > Unknown Author>

[Guest guest]

---What do Eunuchs know about anal sex? BTW, I hear that you're a

fat ass. Is this correct information? That would explain how you

know about yeast infections. Pisses ya off when that yeast gits in

yer fat rolls, eh? 4th step NOW mister.

In Ethylglucuronide , rrpmd@... wrote:

>

> I have performed a multi-study meta-analysis reviewing the relapse

rate in

> recovering alcoholics and addicts who think yeast infections cause

positive

> ETG's and found them to be in denial at an alarming rate. One

specific article

> referenced that the belief in motrin methylation was a good

initial

> indicator of bullshit. 4 in 10 subjects thought that only

drinking alcohol by mouth

> counts as alcohol ingestion, and that sniffing, bathing,

gargling, vaginal

> douching, or rectal enemas are benign behaviors. That same 4 in

10 subjects

> didn't count anal sex as affecting their virginity. An

astonishing 80% of those

> surveyed thought the government and professional licensing boards

were the

> cause of all their problems.

>

> 1 person, in evidently hundreds, knows that selfishness is a

leading

> contributor to causing positive ETG's, while humility is the

masking agent.

>

>

>

> Unknown Author

>

[Guest guest]

Unlike the Texas Medical Board, he probably wouldn't fall for

mistaking Ultracet for Aleve, either.

>

> really!! what's up with that guy? It's like he's got it

all " figured " out. It's like he thinks that not drinking is all you

have to do. It's like he doesn't fall for conspiracy theories and

stuff.

>

> what ever

>

>

>

> mike

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, Henny, that was no mistake. You didn't know the big, bad pharmas

throw a few Ultracet in every bottle of Aleve? They're trying to turn

the Average Joe into a junkie. Look what happened to Dr. Bob! Why that's

not a conspiracy theory, is it?

> >

> > really!! what's up with that guy? It's like he's got it

> all " figured " out. It's like he thinks that not drinking is all you

> have to do. It's like he doesn't fall for conspiracy theories and

> stuff.

> >

> > what ever

> >

> >

> >

>

> > mike

> >

>

[Guest guest]

--- Is Ultracet like Percocet? If so, SIGN ME UP AT THAT PHARMACY!

In Ethylglucuronide , " Lorie " <saclorie@...> wrote:

>

>

> Oh, Henny, that was no mistake. You didn't know the big, bad

pharmas

> throw a few Ultracet in every bottle of Aleve? They're trying to

turn

> the Average Joe into a junkie. Look what happened to Dr. Bob! Why

that's

> not a conspiracy theory, is it?

>

>

>

> > >

> > > really!! what's up with that guy? It's like he's got it

> > all " figured " out. It's like he thinks that not drinking is all

you

> > have to do. It's like he doesn't fall for conspiracy theories and

> > stuff.

> > >

> > > what ever

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > mike

> > >

> >

>