Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 geez its sounds good ...and I hope that the courts are not biased on you ..I brought in doctors notes as well and even blood work ..kidney and liver function tests..all to be thrown aside..I wish you the best and I don't want to sound negative but in my case the test was the rule...yes I am in family court as well..don't give up..perhaps your doctor could also look at our findings here and send it to a toxicologist for a review..in my state they are in a flurry over the news but are still holding strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 they never tested for gravity or creatine said it was not required of them my positives where below 1000 but for one that was very high.I am baffled because if anything I know alcohol would never have helped....I was on a lot of meds to deal with my anxiety as well as a woman issue that reared its ugly head...I do believe that even if it where not for the tests that the courts used as an excuse my child who is a young adult would still be refusing contact ..PAS issues big time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 we sit ..we communicate here..and we wait..we were far more behind last year on this test .but we continued to brainstorm...and now it shows we have made some very big strides..what that holds for the future of this test I can only hope still..but it really is too late in the game for me..I am just wanting to find some peace and acceptance at this point..keep coming and keep posting your thoughts ...my thoughts are with you...Have you given out the reports ect to the courts??what is the response??? I fear that the last ones that will not be so rigid will be the family courts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 hey DannysMommy I don't know about the holding up but I would say way to go girl ! Great job and taking hold of this and great letter from your Dr ! aka(Mom)gmb280 <dannysmommy@...> wrote: Thought someone else may be able to use this information as well. I went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low creatinine. she stated:I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that she is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my patients, who drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of coffee, to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This patient actually does what I recommend.I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from USDT labs on 11-2-06.They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated woman. With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a beautiful SG.Please note the lab results that or office and our outside lab, got on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a specific gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered "normal"). MF knows that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I can tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our office. The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had watered the urine down.Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with excellent kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman who dilutes her urine.If you have any questions, please call at the number on the sationary. SincerlyXXXSo what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family court? I truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 -- Just curious, what were your results? Were they also a low creatinine level? Thank you - In Ethylglucuronide , lilibit007@... wrote: > > geez its sounds good ...and I hope that the courts are not biased on you > ..I brought in doctors notes as well and even blood work ..kidney and liver > function tests..all to be thrown aside..I wish you the best and I don't want to > sound negative but in my case the test was the rule...yes I am in family court > as well..don't give up..perhaps your doctor could also look at our findings > here and send it to a toxicologist for a review..in my state they are in a > flurry over the news but are still holding strong. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I don't know very much about the tests, but I sure do know more than I ever wanted to about family court. I also believe that this is a stall tactic, me being tested prior to getting anywhere near 50% of the time with my child. I am very sorry that you are going through PAS, I can't even imagine the pain it must cause, both you and your child. Did your dr. state that the meds could have caused the tests to be out of whack? These tests have too much room for error, with us having too much to lose. How do we change this?- -- In Ethylglucuronide , lilibit007@... wrote: > > they never tested for gravity or creatine said it was not required of them > my positives where below 1000 but for one that was very high.I am baffled > because if anything I know alcohol would never have helped....I was on a lot > of meds to deal with my anxiety as well as a woman issue that reared its ugly > head...I do believe that even if it where not for the tests that the courts > used as an excuse my child who is a young adult would still be refusing > contact ..PAS issues big time.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I'm not so sure the courts are gonna want to hear that you drink a tall glass of water for each cup of coffee or that you are a well-hydrated woman. While these, along with your healthy kidney function, are healthy choices, drug testing is not a health issue. In fact, these things your doc mentions really go against the recommendations of random drug testing--limit fluids and limit caffeine/coffee prior to testing. I would put together a humble little letter/essay on what you have learned in your quest for help/answers re: dilute urines to accompany your doctor's letter. I can't imagine they'll do more than call this one an " oops " . Best of luck to you! > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as well. I > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low > creatinine. she stated: > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that she > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my patients, who > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of coffee, > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This > patient actually does what I recommend. > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from USDT > labs on 11-2-06. > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated woman. > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a > beautiful SG. > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside lab, got > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a specific > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered " normal " ). MF knows > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I can > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our office. > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had watered > the urine down. > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with excellent > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman who > dilutes her urine. > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the > sationary. > > Sincerly > XXX > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family court? I > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I did submit some reports in Sept, and they went fine, since there were no problems with them.- I go back to court in December hopefully, and before then I see my son's guardian ad litem, and I will give her the reports. I think she will be okay with the tests, since it is the only one, and i do have the drs office to back me up, plus she seems to do what is fair and just, the only one in my entire case who has, so I am hoping and praying this goes well. Also I will have the sample retested at the same lab, and at least show that I am very questionable about the results. Especially since it is only one pt out of range, perhaps this time it will be okay. It also doesn't hurt me that the last time I had a physical at the doctors office which had nothing to do with my case, my creatinine was a pt low then as well, so perhaps with all that combined it will be okay? I am also keeping you in my thoughts. Do they call you Mom on the other site? If not if you would pm me I could direct you to a site for moms (and dads) without custody of our children, that has been a Godsend to me. - In Ethylglucuronide , lilibit007@... wrote: > > we sit ..we communicate here..and we wait..we were far more behind last year > on this test .but we continued to brainstorm...and now it shows we have made > some very big strides..what that holds for the future of this test I can > only hope still..but it really is too late in the game for me..I am just > wanting to find some peace and acceptance at this point..keep coming and keep > posting your thoughts ...my thoughts are with you...Have you given out the reports > ect to the courts??what is the response??? I fear that the last ones that > will not be so rigid will be the family courts.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 -No one ever recommended that I limit fluid intake, or coffee prior to testing. I have gone there with a cup of coffee, or a bottle of water many times, just so that I would be able to give a sample. Coming on this site is the first that I have heard of this. I was very nieve (sp) and honestly thought if you don't drink your test comes out fine. How would the average person know this information? No one told me, other than you kind people here the last couple of days -- In Ethylglucuronide , " Lorie " <saclorie@...> wrote: > > > I'm not so sure the courts are gonna want to hear that you drink a tall > glass of water for each cup of coffee or that you are a well- hydrated > woman. While these, along with your healthy kidney function, are healthy > choices, drug testing is not a health issue. In fact, these things your > doc mentions really go against the recommendations of random drug > testing--limit fluids and limit caffeine/coffee prior to testing. I > would put together a humble little letter/essay on what you have learned > in your quest for help/answers re: dilute urines to accompany your > doctor's letter. I can't imagine they'll do more than call this one an > " oops " . Best of luck to you! > > > > > > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as well. I > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low > > creatinine. she stated: > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that she > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my patients, who > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of coffee, > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This > > patient actually does what I recommend. > > > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from USDT > > labs on 11-2-06. > > > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated woman. > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a > > beautiful SG. > > > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside lab, got > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a specific > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered " normal " ). MF knows > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I can > > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our office. > > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had watered > > the urine down. > > > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with excellent > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman who > > dilutes her urine. > > > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the > > sationary. > > > > Sincerly > > XXX > > > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family court? I > > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Are they really making this big a deal over one dilute urine? I can't imagine (although I believe it could be true!) maybe it's time to change their way of thinking (how, I don't know) but this is getting more and more ridiculous as time goes an and I become more educated in how these systems work!! Re: Creatinine/dr visit I'm not so sure the courts are gonna want to hear that you drink a tall glass of water for each cup of coffee or that you are a well-hydrated woman. While these, along with your healthy kidney function, are healthy choices, drug testing is not a health issue. In fact, these things your doc mentions really go against the recommendations of random drug testing--limit fluids and limit caffeine/coffee prior to testing. I would put together a humble little letter/essay on what you have learned in your quest for help/answers re: dilute urines to accompany your doctor's letter. I can't imagine they'll do more than call this one an "oops". Best of luck to you! > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as well. I > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low > creatinine. she stated: > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that she > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my patients, who > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of coffee, > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This > patient actually does what I recommend. > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from USDT > labs on 11-2-06. > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated woman. > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a > beautiful SG. > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside lab, got > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a specific > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered "normal"). MF knows > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I can > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our office. > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had watered > the urine down. > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with excellent > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman who > dilutes her urine. > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the > sationary. > > Sincerly > XXX > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family court? I > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 - I am not really sure how big of a deal will be made out of this, the man who tests me, said it raises a big red flag. I am in an awlful custody battle, my ex will jump on this I am sure. I must cover my bases, before I get to court. My ex is a fed who has held all the credibility in our case. I did not dilute the sample, I don't drink period. I did just read in post 2221, that a low creatinine in combination with a low SG is the only finding that will invalidate a negative test result. My SG was within range and considered normal. I would like to know what site this information was taken from so that I have more proof of my test being not a positive. I need a credible site to take to my atty. I also wasn't told not to drink prior to the test, shouldn't the tester have told me this? I am in a panic that I will lose my son, he is only 6 and needs me, as much as I need him. Thank you for your help in this hell. -- In Ethylglucuronide , crssemc@... wrote: > > Are they really making this big a deal over one dilute urine? I can't imagine (although I believe it could be true!) maybe it's time to change their way of thinking (how, I don't know) but this is getting more and more ridiculous as time goes an and I become more educated in how these systems work!! > > > Re: Creatinine/dr visit > > > > I'm not so sure the courts are gonna want to hear that you drink a tall > glass of water for each cup of coffee or that you are a well- hydrated > woman. While these, along with your healthy kidney function, are healthy > choices, drug testing is not a health issue. In fact, these things your > doc mentions really go against the recommendations of random drug > testing--limit fluids and limit caffeine/coffee prior to testing. I > would put together a humble little letter/essay on what you have learned > in your quest for help/answers re: dilute urines to accompany your > doctor's letter. I can't imagine they'll do more than call this one an > " oops " . Best of luck to you! > > > > > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as well. I > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low > > creatinine. she stated: > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that she > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my patients, who > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of coffee, > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This > > patient actually does what I recommend. > > > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from USDT > > labs on 11-2-06. > > > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated woman. > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a > > beautiful SG. > > > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside lab, got > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a specific > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered " normal " ). MF knows > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I can > > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our office. > > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had watered > > the urine down. > > > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with excellent > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman who > > dilutes her urine. > > > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the > > sationary. > > > > Sincerly > > XXX > > > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family court? I > > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ ___ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I can only tell you from my experience 2 tests need to be out of whack to determine if a specimen has been tampered with or intentionally dilute if your Specific Gravity was OK then you should be OK..Who can you ask in your program?? If there was only one indicate I think they would have a hard time defending themselves.. See what SAMHSA www.samhsa.gov/ has to say about that. Yes, your son needs you so be sure to find out all you can!!! Re: Creatinine/dr visit > > > > I'm not so sure the courts are gonna want to hear that you drink a tall > glass of water for each cup of coffee or that you are a well- hydrated > woman. While these, along with your healthy kidney function, are healthy > choices, drug testing is not a health issue. In fact, these things your > doc mentions really go against the recommendations of random drug > testing--limit fluids and limit caffeine/coffee prior to testing. I > would put together a humble little letter/essay on what you have learned > in your quest for help/answers re: dilute urines to accompany your > doctor's letter. I can't imagine they'll do more than call this one an > "oops". Best of luck to you! > > > > > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as well. I > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low > > creatinine. she stated: > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that she > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my patients, who > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of coffee, > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This > > patient actually does what I recommend. > > > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from USDT > > labs on 11-2-06. > > > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated woman. > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a > > beautiful SG. > > > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside lab, got > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a specific > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered "normal"). MF knows > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I can > > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our office. > > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had watered > > the urine down. > > > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with excellent > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman who > > dilutes her urine. > > > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the > > sationary. > > > > Sincerly > > XXX > > > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family court? I > > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ ___ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I don't have a program, and there is no one that I can ask about this. The man that does the testing, was almost to the point of being happy about this result, and didn't share any information about what it meant with me. He just kept saying " I can only give you the test results " . I will definately go to the site you mentioned. Thank you so much for your help! Genny- -- In Ethylglucuronide , crssemc@... wrote: > > I can only tell you from my experience 2 tests need to be out of whack to determine if a specimen has been tampered with or intentionally dilute if your Specific Gravity was OK then you should be OK..Who can you ask in your program?? If there was only one indicate I think they would have a hard time defending themselves.. See what SAMHSA www.samhsa.gov/ has to say about that. > > Yes, your son needs you so be sure to find out all you can!!! > > > > Re: Creatinine/dr visit > > > > > > > > I'm not so sure the courts are gonna want to hear that you drink a > tall > > glass of water for each cup of coffee or that you are a well- > hydrated > > woman. While these, along with your healthy kidney function, are > healthy > > choices, drug testing is not a health issue. In fact, these things > your > > doc mentions really go against the recommendations of random drug > > testing--limit fluids and limit caffeine/coffee prior to testing. I > > would put together a humble little letter/essay on what you have > learned > > in your quest for help/answers re: dilute urines to accompany your > > doctor's letter. I can't imagine they'll do more than call this > one an > > " oops " . Best of luck to you! > > > > > > > > > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as > well. I > > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low > > > creatinine. she stated: > > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that > she > > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my patients, > who > > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of > coffee, > > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This > > > patient actually does what I recommend. > > > > > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from USDT > > > labs on 11-2-06. > > > > > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated woman. > > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney > > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a > > > beautiful SG. > > > > > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside lab, > got > > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a specific > > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via > > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered " normal " ). MF > knows > > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I can > > > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our office. > > > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had > watered > > > the urine down. > > > > > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with excellent > > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman > who > > > dilutes her urine. > > > > > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the > > > sationary. > > > > > > Sincerly > > > XXX > > > > > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family court? I > > > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > ___ > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ ___ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Excellent backing for you, seems you have covered ALL of your bases, and obviously not blown this off. I don't see how or why they would hold this against you after your thoroughness. Now STOP WORRYING. When do you go to court? > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as well. I > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low > creatinine. she stated: > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that she > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my patients, who > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of coffee, > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This > patient actually does what I recommend. > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from USDT > labs on 11-2-06. > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated woman. > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a > beautiful SG. > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside lab, got > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a specific > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered " normal " ). MF knows > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I can > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our office. > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had watered > the urine down. > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with excellent > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman who > dilutes her urine. > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the > sationary. > > Sincerly > XXX > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family court? I > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Honestly, after all the new info you have to tell them that you have learned, and the fact that you are dealing with ONE out of range creatinine, and a NORMAL SG, AND that no one ever told you to limit fluids, caffene, etc., they REALLY don't have much to harass you with. The guy at the testing place to be " happy " about it, well he's just a f*ck*ng idiot then, cause he doesn't know what he's all excited about or what a " dilute " urine really is...(it MUST also have a LOW SPECIFIC GRAVITY ALSO...) The first time my creatinine was off, I had drank a lot of coffee before testing, cause I had never been told not to, and had done so for a while without having a problem. When I was told about it, of course I was very disturbed, and asked if it was considered " diluted, " and my CM said, " no, its not considered dilute, it's considered " out of range... " ' (cause the SG was normal). I presume you have a lawyer, and now a plethora of info on how to have this not happen again, (which BTW, was NOT provided to you by those that SHOULD have told you, ESPECIALLY if you are showing up with a water bottle in hand, chugging it down...), and I really believe that everyone gets at least one " warning. " Remember too, IT IS DIFFERENT THAN A POSITIVE ETG!!! That is a whole different realm of surreal horror. The other girls here that are involved in the family court nightmare have had POSITIVE ETG's, NOT JUST one low creatinine...Now, I don't know how conservative or back-ass-ackwards your state is, cause some of those people in for instance, PA, God help them, they are truly up against the most evil and corrupt system I have ever heard of (it STILL blows me away when I think about what you guys are dealing with over there, man am I glad I got busted in CA...). I believe that here in CA, they would tell you, " don't do it again, " and move on. And I am NOT trying to minimalize this, or your fear, cause I know it is all very real, but REALLY, I think you will be okay on this one... Again, good luck. Amy (in CA) > > > > > > > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as > > well. I > > > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low > > > > creatinine. she stated: > > > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that > > she > > > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my > patients, > > who > > > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of > > coffee, > > > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This > > > > patient actually does what I recommend. > > > > > > > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from > USDT > > > > labs on 11-2-06. > > > > > > > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated > woman. > > > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney > > > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a > > > > beautiful SG. > > > > > > > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside > lab, > > got > > > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a > specific > > > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via > > > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered " normal " ). MF > > knows > > > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I > can > > > > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our > office. > > > > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had > > watered > > > > the urine down. > > > > > > > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with > excellent > > > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman > > who > > > > dilutes her urine. > > > > > > > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the > > > > sationary. > > > > > > > > Sincerly > > > > XXX > > > > > > > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family > court? I > > > > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > ___ > > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos > from > > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > ___ > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I'm very familiar with looking like the bad guy and having no credibility in family court. It's VERY hard to overcome and I'm sorry you are having to deal with it. Robin posted "2221" and he's off globetrotting in Europe. I think his source was Sterling Lab's website (http://www.sterlingreflabs.com/adulterant-tests.html). It would be VERY nice if we were educated about all this stuff prior to testing. But unfortunately, that's not reality. I think you are VERY smart to be proactive and go to court PREPARED. > > >> > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as > well. I> > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low> > > creatinine. she stated:> > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that > she> > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my patients, > who> > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of > coffee,> > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This> > > patient actually does what I recommend.> > >> > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from USDT> > > labs on 11-2-06.> > >> > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated woman.> > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney> > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a> > > beautiful SG.> > >> > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside lab, > got> > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a specific> > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via> > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered "normal"). MF > knows> > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I can> > > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our office.> > > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had > watered> > > the urine down.> > >> > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with excellent> > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman > who> > > dilutes her urine.> > >> > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the> > > sationary.> > >> > > Sincerly> > > XXX> > >> > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family court? I> > > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter.> > >> > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________> ___> > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 no the same old name on some other sites I have been alerting them to this test.for months now..been getting some feedback.I was hoping some of the moderators would put this in the files..how did you find us ?? yes I am interested in the site you referred to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Oh I'm sorry I was referring to the other groups that I belong to having to do with family courts ect.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Put what in the files?lilibit007@... wrote: no the same old name on some other sites I have been alerting them to this test.for months now..been getting some feedback.I was hoping some of the moderators would put this in the files..how did you find us ?? yes I am interested in the site you referred to Check out the all-new beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 I will NEVER concede that the labs win! FIGHT, . Let your voice be heard! Write to EVERYONE who is remotely involved with this test and your program: Compassvision, Dr. Martha Brown, Quest Diagnostics and/or NMS, NCSBN, California Joint Commission on Boards, Commissions & Consumer Protection, professional nursing organizations, open letter to the CA State Board of Nursing, Federal Trade Commission, and your representatives. There are a LOT of CA nurses here...ORGANIZE yourselves and work together to CHANGE THIS. I am told you can have this added as an agenda item at a board meeting...so why not? What do you have to lose? Try to refocus on the solution and not the problem. You have a voice so let it be Have you written letters to everyone you can think of about this? > > > >> > > > Thought someone else may be able to use this> > information as > > well. I> > > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to> > explain the low> > > > creatinine. she stated:> > > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of> > ours. Knowing that > > she> > > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all> > of my patients, > > who> > > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for> > every cup of > > coffee,> > > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on> > the body. This> > > > patient actually does what I recommend.> > > >> > > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine> > results from USDT> > > > labs on 11-2-06.> > > >> > > > They are within normal parameters and show a> > well hydrated woman.> > > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry> > about kidney> > > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in> > fact 1.006 is a> > > > beautiful SG.> > > >> > > > Please note the lab results that or office and> > our outside lab, > > got> > > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated> > with a specific> > > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her> > creatinine (via> > > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered> > "normal"). MF > > knows> > > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a> > sg of 1.010. I can> > > > tell you she did not water down her urine in> > 2005, in our office.> > > > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5,> > if she had > > watered> > > > the urine down.> > > >> > > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a> > woman with excellent> > > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do> > not show a woman > > who> > > > dilutes her urine.> > > >> > > > If you have any questions, please call at the> > number on the> > > > sationary.> > > >> > > > Sincerly> > > > XXX> > > >> > > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in> > a family court? I> > > > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in> > this matter.> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Sponsored Link> > Get an Online or Campus degree> Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year.> http://www.findtherightschool.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Great post Amy! I couldn't agree more that all those that post here are truly inspirational by sharing their stories! The battle about drug testing through use of minor " dilution " issues and the horrors of EtG, has progressed and more is too come. I had to laugh at your glad you live in Ca.! Having read these forums for quite awhile and what I have learned about the Ca.BON. I can say without a doubt that,in contrast to you, I thank God that I live in Florida! lol Keep the faith, Isanah > > > > > > > > > > Thought someone else may be able to use this information as > > > well. I > > > > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to explain the low > > > > > creatinine. she stated: > > > > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of ours. Knowing that > > > she > > > > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do all of my > > patients, > > > who > > > > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water for every cup of > > > coffee, > > > > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine on the body. This > > > > > patient actually does what I recommend. > > > > > > > > > > I reviewed her specific gravity and creatinine results from > > USDT > > > > > labs on 11-2-06. > > > > > > > > > > They are within normal parameters and show a well hydrated > > woman. > > > > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would worry about kidney > > > > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in fact 1.006 is a > > > > > beautiful SG. > > > > > > > > > > Please note the lab results that or office and our outside > > lab, > > > got > > > > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well hydrated with a > > specific > > > > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and her creatinine (via > > > > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is considered " normal " ). MF > > > knows > > > > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with a sg of 1.010. I > > can > > > > > tell you she did not water down her urine in 2005, in our > > office. > > > > > The color would not have been gold or the ph-5, if she had > > > watered > > > > > the urine down. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a woman with > > excellent > > > > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They do not show a woman > > > who > > > > > dilutes her urine. > > > > > > > > > > If you have any questions, please call at the number on the > > > > > sationary. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerly > > > > > XXX > > > > > > > > > > So what do you think? Will this note hold up in a family > > court? I > > > > > truely appreciate all your helpful advice in this matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > ___ > > > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > > > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos > > from > > > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > ___ > > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 I agree with you, I have not given up. I have sent out the advisories to every one possible. I have just given up on the fact that is is not fair. I had many of sleepless nights, trying to make sense of this whole mess. I have finally realized that is not fair. It's just when I hear these stories I can't help to relate it to a 5 year olds thinking. ( Which is in the process of learning) When I try to discuss etg with CM, labs experts, I feel like I am talking to a 5 year old, they can't think beyond the results, it's just black or white thinking, positive or negative. Just a thought I had after hearing what dannysmommy posted. --- Lorie <saclorie@...> wrote: > > I will NEVER concede that the labs win! FIGHT, > . Let your voice be > heard! Write to EVERYONE who is remotely involved > with this test and > your program: Compassvision, Dr. Martha Brown, Quest > Diagnostics and/or > NMS, NCSBN, California Joint Commission on Boards, > Commissions & > Consumer Protection, professional nursing > organizations, open letter to > the CA State Board of Nursing, Federal Trade > Commission, and your > representatives. There are a LOT of CA nurses > here...ORGANIZE yourselves > and work together to CHANGE THIS. I am told you can > have this added as > an agenda item at a board meeting...so why not? What > do you have to > lose? Try to refocus on the solution and not the > problem. > > > You have a voice so let it be Have you written > letters to everyone you > can think of about this? > > > > > > > > > > > Thought someone else may be able to use this > > > information as > > > well. I > > > > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to > > > explain the low > > > > > creatinine. she stated: > > > > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of > > > ours. Knowing that > > > she > > > > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do > all > > > of my patients, > > > who > > > > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water > for > > > every cup of > > > coffee, > > > > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine > on > > > the body. This > > > > > patient actually does what I recommend. > > > > > > > > > > I reviewed her specific gravity and > creatinine > > > results from USDT > > > > > labs on 11-2-06. > > > > > > > > > > They are within normal parameters and show a > > > well hydrated woman. > > > > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would > worry > > > about kidney > > > > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in > > > fact 1.006 is a > > > > > beautiful SG. > > > > > > > > > > Please note the lab results that or office > and > > > our outside lab, > > > got > > > > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well > hydrated > > > with a specific > > > > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and > her > > > creatinine (via > > > > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is > considered > > > " normal " ). MF > > > knows > > > > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with > a > > > sg of 1.010. I can > > > > > tell you she did not water down her urine in > > > 2005, in our office. > > > > > The color would not have been gold or the > ph-5, > > > if she had > > > watered > > > > > the urine down. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a > > > woman with excellent > > > > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They > do > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 I got in trouble for dilute urine (I had consumed 32 ounces of water in a 2 hour time frame before my test. I was not hiding anything, I just really wanted to make sure that I could go when I needed to go!) and so now I am going by the rule " no more than 16 ounces of fluid in 4 hours prior to test. " I found this somewhere on the web and it seems kinda harsh, but I will do what I have to do! I agree with the comment on how this is like the world's least fair game! I asked Labcorp, the state board, and the company that handles the testing the question, " how much water is too much? " and NONE of these supposedly in charge types could give me an answer. It is like, " we have no idea, but you need to figure it out. good luck. " Gum helps with the cotton mouth caused by not drinking enough water! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought someone else may be able to use this > > > > information as > > > > well. I > > > > > > went to my dr. and she wrote me a note to > > > > explain the low > > > > > > creatinine. she stated: > > > > > > I am writing in regards to GB, a patient of > > > > ours. Knowing that > > > > she > > > > > > is a coffee drinker, I counseled her as I do > > all > > > > of my patients, > > > > who > > > > > > drink coffee-to drink a tall glass of water > > for > > > > every cup of > > > > coffee, > > > > > > to offset the unhealthy effects of caffeine > > on > > > > the body. This > > > > > > patient actually does what I recommend. > > > > > > > > > > > > I reviewed her specific gravity and > > creatinine > > > > results from USDT > > > > > > labs on 11-2-06. > > > > > > > > > > > > They are within normal parameters and show a > > > > well hydrated woman. > > > > > > With a specific gravity of 1.006, I would > > worry > > > > about kidney > > > > > > function (creatinine) that was abouve 25, in > > > > fact 1.006 is a > > > > > > beautiful SG. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note the lab results that or office > > and > > > > our outside lab, > > > > got > > > > > > on 10-24-05, Again the patient was well > > hydrated > > > > with a specific > > > > > > gravity (urine concentration) f 1.010 and > > her > > > > creatinine (via > > > > > > blood/serum) was .6mg/dl (.7-1.2 is > > considered > > > > " normal " ). MF > > > > knows > > > > > > that .6 shows a healthy kidney function with > > a > > > > sg of 1.010. I can > > > > > > tell you she did not water down her urine in > > > > 2005, in our office. > > > > > > The color would not have been gold or the > > ph-5, > > > > if she had > > > > watered > > > > > > the urine down. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore in conclusion, the numbers show a > > > > woman with excellent > > > > > > kidney function who is well hydrated. They > > do > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music./unlimited > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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