Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new test in MI. The results for > > the past year have been negative. Now with nothing changing my > > creatinine level is at an abnormal level=19.0 the " normal range " is 20- > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl sulfate was negative. I > > am wondering what this means? And has anyone else tested low on > > creatinine levels, and what it did to their case. I have not had a > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't understand how this could happen. > > Thank you > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5 days, I understand here in Michigan there are problems with the test, and that one county here isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and no longer do, I am in a HUGE custody battle with my past being used against me. Although I have a year of negative tests using this same test, how bad do you think this will look for me(the low creatinine), it is 1 point low out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine sample until Sat, so that I may have it sent to another lab for retesting. This will cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't want to spend on this. Would you reccomend another lab look at the sample? Thank you very much for your welcome, and your advice I do so appreciate it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 It sounds like you are involved with family courts. I think the the nursing monitoring program is the one that stopped using etg. Dannysmommy I would pay the money, I have read from this site that sometimes it comes back negative. Good luck with the custody. This site is the best, my lifeline, sanity from the etg world. Proud (awesome nurse from ca). --- gmb280 <dannysmommy@...> wrote: > > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new test in > MI. The > results for > > > the past year have been negative. Now with > nothing changing my > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal level=19.0 > the " normal range " > is 20- > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl > sulfate was > negative. I > > > am wondering what this means? And has anyone > else tested low on > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to their > case. I have not > had a > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't understand > how this could > happen. > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5 days, I > understand here in > Michigan there are problems with the test, and that > one county here > isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and no > longer do, I am in > a HUGE custody battle with my past being used > against me. Although > I have a year of negative tests using this same > test, how bad do you > think this will look for me(the low creatinine), it > is 1 point low > out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine > sample until Sat, so > that I may have it sent to another lab for > retesting. This will > cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't want to > spend on this. > Would you reccomend another lab look at the sample? > Thank you very > much for your welcome, and your advice I do so > appreciate it! > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 a month what are you waiting for? http://www.netflix.com/Signup?mqso=80010030 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I like to know what drug court suspended ETG until further study is done so I can pass that on...as it stands now in my state they have not curtailed the use and misuse of this test in the court arena..Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I am curious . how long did it take for you to get your results that they still have your sample for retest at 300 dollars ..I would just have another test done in the morning..it will be cheaper..I had to wait up to 2 weeks for my results s and creatine was not required to be done ,as I had asked as I poked around and asked questions while I was still a newbie..they told me that the government agency Family Court in NH did not have that as a condition. Have things changed??? Whats up with the ETS added?? Is that new as well??? I no longer get tested as I put in a formal refusal to ETG in late June and asked for anything else...they refused and my fate is sealed now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 > > > > > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new test > > in > > > MI. The > > > results for > > > > > the past year have been negative. Now with > > > nothing changing my > > > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal level=19.0 > > > the " normal range " > > > is 20- > > > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl > > > sulfate was > > > negative. I > > > > > am wondering what this means? And has anyone > > > else tested low on > > > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to their > > > case. I have not > > > had a > > > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't understand > > > how this could > > > happen. > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5 days, I > > > understand here in > > > Michigan there are problems with the test, and > > that > > > one county here > > > isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and no > > > longer do, I am in > > > a HUGE custody battle with my past being used > > > against me. Although > > > I have a year of negative tests using this same > > > test, how bad do you > > > think this will look for me(the low creatinine), > > it > > > is 1 point low > > > out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine > > > sample until Sat, so > > > that I may have it sent to another lab for > > > retesting. This will > > > cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't want to > > > spend on this. > > > Would you reccomend another lab look at the > > sample? > > > Thank you very > > > much for your welcome, and your advice I do so > > > appreciate it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Sponsored Link > > > > Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 > > a month what are you waiting for? > > http://www.netflix.com/Signup?mqso=80010030 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Sponsored Link > > Free Uniden 5.8GHz Phone System with Packet8 Internet Phone Service > http://www.getpacket8.net/2 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I hope "smunz1" doesn't mind me posting their response to my question on this board. Actually, I intended my question to be posted here in the first place, only I got booted off the board by this morning! Interesting answer, "smunz1"...Thanks for the info! By the way, I've read what Cary has said about EtG, and I hope he continues to "get the word out" about its limitations. I think he can help us.From: "Lorie" <lorieg@...><smunz1@...>Subject: Re: creatinine level lowSo can you tell us what a drug court programs does to a participant as the result of a low creatinine level? That seems to be the question.From: <smunz1@...>"Lorie" <lorieg@...>Subject: Re: Re: creatinine level low Yes, I can. Our perameters appear to be about the same as the ones reported here. A creatinine level of <20 or a specific gravity of less than <=1.0010 is sufficient for this Drug Court to react. We sanction for a diluted screen with a jail sentence as if it were a positive screen. Let me quote from a recent email sent to me by our forensic toxicologist says about diluted screens. His name is Cary. He's a forensic toxicologist at the University of Mo. (St. Louis). "Dilute urines (with creatinine level of less than 20mg/Dl) are not "normal" occurrences. It is highly unusual for a healthy individual to produce a urine sample with a creatinine level of <20mg/Dl (could be a symptom of a kidney ailment). Therefore, urine samples from clients that yield a creatinine concentration of <20mgDl should be considered as "dilute" samples. The important concept (not to be lost) is that a creatinine of <20mgDl (associtated with a drug test) is nearly always an attempt by the donor to avoid drug use detection. REGARDLESS of how much liquid was consumed in order to achieve this result. Is it possible for an individual to "unintentionally" consume sufficient liquid to produce a dilute sample? YES but that is probably the exception rather than the rule. For clients who work outside (construction) in hot, humid weather (and consume large amounts of liquid)-test them in the morning or on their days off." The staff of our Drug Court has (in an experiment to see whether the "recommended" amount of water intake (1 8oz glass of water each waking hour)) tried to see if we would come up dilute and we did not. These were slightly built and heavily built folks. Hope this helps. By the way, I think what has happened to the folks on this forum borders on criminal behavior on the part of the case managers. The labs should be taken to court and throttled. We've ceased using EtG in our Drug Court for now. At least until SAMSHA, the labs and our forensic advisor can agree on the validity of this test. Best of luck. >> Hi,> I work in a drug court setting and it's been my experience that low creatinine may simply be a result of increased fluid intake. Hope that helps.> > > > From: "gmb280" dannysmommy@...> > Date: 2006/11/07 Tue PM 09:54:06 EST> > Ethylglucuronide > > Subject: creatinine level low> > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new test in MI. The results for > > the past year have been negative. Now with nothing changing my > > creatinine level is at an abnormal level=19.0 the "normal range" is 20-> > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl sulfate was negative. I > > am wondering what this means? And has anyone else tested low on > > creatinine levels, and what it did to their case. I have not had a > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't understand how this could happen. > > Thank you> > > > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 > > > > Hi, > > I work in a drug court setting and it's been my experience that low > creatinine may simply be a result of increased fluid intake. Hope that > helps. > > > > > > From: " gmb280 " dannysmommy@ > > > Date: 2006/11/07 Tue PM 09:54:06 EST > > > Ethylglucuronide > > > Subject: creatinine level low > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new test in MI. The results for > > > the past year have been negative. Now with nothing changing my > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal level=19.0 the " normal range " is > 20- > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl sulfate was negative. I > > > am wondering what this means? And has anyone else tested low on > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to their case. I have not had a > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't understand how this could happen. > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 If testing is through compassvision for maximus it does not matter what your SG is. A creatinine less than 20, will make it dilute and they will accuse you of attempts to adulterate your specimen. > > > > I am curious . how long did it take for you to get your results > that they > > still have your sample for retest at 300 dollars ..I would just > have another > > test done in the morning..it will be cheaper..I had to wait up to > 2 weeks for my > > results s and creatine was not required to be done ,as I had > asked as I > > poked around and asked questions while I was still a newbie..they > told me that > > the government agency Family Court in NH did not have that as a > condition. > > Have things changed??? Whats up with the ETS added?? Is that new > as well??? I no > > longer get tested as I put in a formal refusal to ETG in late > June and > > asked for anything else...they refused and my fate is sealed now.. > > > > The test as I stated in my email to you only covers the 5 days. I > went on the 2nd, the test came back on the 6th, I did retest on the > 7th, but I am still not covered for the dates prior to the second > that 5 day period. The lab will charge 150 buck for handling > charges to send the sample to another lab, and the other lab charges > 125 bucks. I am wondering if I should have the same lab test it > again? Does anyone know about the Creatinine/gravity levels? If > one is low shouldn't they both be low? Thank you > Why wouldn't they give you an option to test another way? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 cALIFORNIA MONITERING > > > > > > I am curious . how long did it take for you to get your results > > that they > > > still have your sample for retest at 300 dollars ..I would just > > have another > > > test done in the morning..it will be cheaper..I had to wait up to > > 2 weeks for my > > > results s and creatine was not required to be done ,as I had > > asked as I > > > poked around and asked questions while I was still a newbie..they > > told me that > > > the government agency Family Court in NH did not have that as a > > condition. > > > Have things changed??? Whats up with the ETS added?? Is that new > > as well??? I no > > > longer get tested as I put in a formal refusal to ETG in late > > June and > > > asked for anything else...they refused and my fate is sealed > now.. > > > > > > > The test as I stated in my email to you only covers the 5 days. I > > went on the 2nd, the test came back on the 6th, I did retest on the > > 7th, but I am still not covered for the dates prior to the second > > that 5 day period. The lab will charge 150 buck for handling > > charges to send the sample to another lab, and the other lab > charges > > 125 bucks. I am wondering if I should have the same lab test it > > again? Does anyone know about the Creatinine/gravity levels? If > > one is low shouldn't they both be low? Thank you > > Why wouldn't they give you an option to test another way? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 > > > > > > > > I am curious . how long did it take for you to get your results > > > that they > > > > still have your sample for retest at 300 dollars ..I would just > > > have another > > > > test done in the morning..it will be cheaper..I had to wait up > to > > > 2 weeks for my > > > > results s and creatine was not required to be done ,as I had > > > asked as I > > > > poked around and asked questions while I was still a > newbie..they > > > told me that > > > > the government agency Family Court in NH did not have that as a > > > condition. > > > > Have things changed??? Whats up with the ETS added?? Is that > new > > > as well??? I no > > > > longer get tested as I put in a formal refusal to ETG in late > > > June and > > > > asked for anything else...they refused and my fate is sealed > > now.. > > > > > > > > > > The test as I stated in my email to you only covers the 5 days. I > > > went on the 2nd, the test came back on the 6th, I did retest on > the > > > 7th, but I am still not covered for the dates prior to the second > > > that 5 day period. The lab will charge 150 buck for handling > > > charges to send the sample to another lab, and the other lab > > charges > > > 125 bucks. I am wondering if I should have the same lab test it > > > again? Does anyone know about the Creatinine/gravity levels? If > > > one is low shouldn't they both be low? Thank you > > > Why wouldn't they give you an option to test another way? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Thank you very much for your advice, I feel much better after reading your response, and this is the 1st low test that I have gotten. I will see a dr. before I go to court next month. These tests for me, are for a family court, custody battle, the results are extremely important to me. I will also be eating high protein cereal from now on...thanks again -- In Ethylglucuronide , " amykellog " <amykellog@...> wrote: > > I REALLY wouldn't worry so much about the low creatinine; If this is the ONLY one you > have had, and you have been in recovery and compliant for a while, DO NOT STRESS and > just don't get another one. After reading all these posts, now you know how NOT to allow > it to happen again. Just go into test really dehydtrated, after eating a lot of protein; (A > foolproof technique I have developed is to eat a high protein cereal, with milk, at least 4 > hours before I test, and not pee or drink anything else for 4 hours). This will guarentee > that your pee will be nice and dark and reeky (sorry for the graphic visual). I know here in > CA diversion does " frown upon " low creatinines, but if you get one or 2 over a couple year > period it has never affected anybody's recovery contract that I am aware of, just buys you a > bunch of extra tests ($$$), and a bit of harrassment from your case manager. (I have > heard of many people having this issue, too). Now + etg's however, will definately get you > into varying degrees of serious trouble, as you can see from the vast, tragic experiences > on this board, depending on the incompetence and level of corruption of your program. > So take a deep breath, and be happy that it was only a createnine issue, and that it was > only once. When they ask you what happened, you say that you obviously in no way > tampered with or tried to dilute your speciecan, and that you were not aware of the current > techniques used by " testees " (like needing to stay dehydrated) to help guarentee a perfect > specimen, but since that test you have done research and you are now using those > techniques and it will never happen again. As of recently, in our diversion contracts, now > it actually states what is required to make a specimen acceptable, in PRINT; It says " limit > fluids and consume a high amt of protein before testing. " > > And in regards to that " drug court " guy's statement that a level below 20 is almost for sure > a result of " tampering, " and that it is VERY uncommon. or " the exception " for a healthy > person to produce a level below 20, well that is ABSOLUTE horse shit. I am a very healthy > person, and I have had a total of 3 low creat's over the FOUR years I have been in > diversion, (the last one in Jan) and was always very careful, and NEVER drank an excessive > amt of fluid before testing (or obviously tampered with anything). Plus many, many > people get " out of ranges " before they learn exactly how NOT to get them. Good luck... > > Amy (in CA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious . how long did it take for you to get your > > results > > > > > that they > > > > > > still have your sample for retest at 300 dollars ..I would > > just > > > > > have another > > > > > > test done in the morning..it will be cheaper..I had to wait > > up > > > to > > > > > 2 weeks for my > > > > > > results s and creatine was not required to be done ,as I had > > > > > asked as I > > > > > > poked around and asked questions while I was still a > > > newbie..they > > > > > told me that > > > > > > the government agency Family Court in NH did not have that > > as a > > > > > condition. > > > > > > Have things changed??? Whats up with the ETS added?? Is that > > > new > > > > > as well??? I no > > > > > > longer get tested as I put in a formal refusal to ETG in > > late > > > > > June and > > > > > > asked for anything else...they refused and my fate is sealed > > > > now.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The test as I stated in my email to you only covers the 5 > > days. I > > > > > went on the 2nd, the test came back on the 6th, I did retest > > on > > > the > > > > > 7th, but I am still not covered for the dates prior to the > > second > > > > > that 5 day period. The lab will charge 150 buck for handling > > > > > charges to send the sample to another lab, and the other lab > > > > charges > > > > > 125 bucks. I am wondering if I should have the same lab test > > it > > > > > again? Does anyone know about the Creatinine/gravity levels? > > If > > > > > one is low shouldn't they both be low? Thank you > > > > > Why wouldn't they give you an option to test another way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Now if some kind soul will just explain how - exactly - any human female who has ever given birth can manage not to piddle for four hours... [snip] (A > foolproof technique I have developed is to eat a high protein cereal, with milk, at least 4 > hours before I test, and not pee or drink anything else for 4 hours)[snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 well the judge in my case went with etg without any other material AA attendance, letters and substance abuse attendance...almost 2 years of it..and my tests where not for the most part positive..life isn't fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Hi Lilibit007, The drug court I work for has not officially decided to suspend the EtG testing, but we are seriously considering suspension in light of the alternatives, i.e. raising the cutoff levels to either 1000ng or 2000ng. Raising the cutoff levels would decrease the window of detection to 1-2 days. We already test for urine alcohol through our testing lab and the window of detection there is about 24 hours. Just wanted to clarify. Thanks. > > From: lilibit007@... > Date: 2006/11/08 Wed PM 08:50:10 EST > Ethylglucuronide > Subject: Re: Re: creatinine level low > > I like to know what drug court suspended ETG until further study is done so > I can pass that on...as it stands now in my state they have not curtailed the > use and misuse of this test in the court arena..Thank you > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Hi smunz1, I would imagine that jailing a person based solely on a positive EtG result in light of the SAMHSA EtG advisory would put a drug court program in a rather precarious position. What judge would uphold that? > > Hi Lilibit007, > The drug court I work for has not officially decided to suspend the EtG testing, but we are seriously considering suspension in light of the alternatives, i.e. raising the cutoff levels to either 1000ng or 2000ng. Raising the cutoff levels would decrease the window of detection to 1-2 days. We already test for urine alcohol through our testing lab and the window of detection there is about 24 hours. Just wanted to clarify. Thanks. > > > > > From: lilibit007@... > > Date: 2006/11/08 Wed PM 08:50:10 EST > > Ethylglucuronide > > Subject: Re: Re: creatinine level low > > > > I like to know what drug court suspended ETG until further study is done so > > I can pass that on...as it stands now in my state they have not curtailed the > > use and misuse of this test in the court arena..Thank you > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Lol Judy. As one who has given birth to 5 kids--I know EXACTLY where you're coming from. It is impossible. Re: creatinine level low Now if some kind soul will just explain how - exactly - any humanfemale who has ever given birth can manage not to piddle for four hours...[snip] (A > foolproof technique I have developed is to eat a high proteincereal, with milk, at least 4 > hours before I test, and not pee or drink anything else for 4hours)[snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 A creatinine level of <20 or a specific gravity of less than <=1.0010 is sufficient for this Drug Court to react. We sanction for a diluted screen with a jail sentence as if it were a positive screen. Dilute urines are not "normal". What do you do to ensure that the individual is not "normal" in your definition? What medical tests are run? What medical professionals are consulted? Or do you just "sanction for a diluted screen with a jail sentence"? creatinine level low > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new test in MI. The results for > > the past year have been negative. Now with nothing changing my > > creatinine level is at an abnormal level=19.0 the "normal range" is 20- > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl sulfate was negative. I > > am wondering what this means? And has anyone else tested low on > > creatinine levels, and what it did to their case. I have not had a > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't understand how this could happen. > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 AHH yes when you are sick what is the first thing you are supposed to do...increase fluids..but Dr I can't what if I am tested..I will lose my license for drinking too much...or taking any over the counter cough medicine or breathing the air..or using hand sanitizer...what am I to do???? Stay as in ill health as you can possibly do to satisfy you contract so that you can maintain a license.. Re: creatinine level low They ARE trying to kill us. > > > > > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new test > > in > > > MI. The > > > results for > > > > > the past year have been negative. Now with > > > nothing changing my > > > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal level=19.0 > > > the "normal range" > > > is 20- > > > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl > > > sulfate was > > > negative. I > > > > > am wondering what this means? And has anyone > > > else tested low on > > > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to their > > > case. I have not > > > had a > > > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't understand > > > how this could > > > happen. > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5 days, I > > > understand here in > > > Michigan there are problems with the test, and > > that > > > one county here > > > isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and no > > > longer do, I am in > > > a HUGE custody battle with my past being used > > > against me. Although > > > I have a year of negative tests using this same > > > test, how bad do you > > > think this will look for me(the low creatinine), > > it > > > is 1 point low > > > out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine > > > sample until Sat, so > > > that I may have it sent to another lab for > > > retesting. This will > > > cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't want to > > > spend on this. > > > Would you reccomend another lab look at the > > sample? > > > Thank you very > > > much for your welcome, and your advice I do so > > > appreciate it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Sponsored Link > > > > Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 > > a month what are you waiting for? > > http://www.netflix.com/Signup?mqso=80010030 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Sponsored Link > > Free Uniden 5.8GHz Phone System with Packet8 Internet Phone Service > http://www.getpacket8.net/2 > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Sorry Judy, I know its totally unreasonable and ridiculous, but that is what my case manager specifically told me to do...Guess she hasn't had kids... > [snip] (A > > foolproof technique I have developed is to eat a high protein > cereal, with milk, at least 4 > > hours before I test, and not pee or drink anything else for 4 > hours)[snip] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 So true, if humans are made up of mostly water, and to be healthy we need to drink water, then it is true they are trying to kill us and they don't even want as a normal humans made up of water. Whats funny is when I was working and a pt had a high creatinine level they were considered unhealthy, sick. Just a thought. --- crssemc@... wrote: > AHH yes when you are sick what is the first thing > you are supposed to do...increase fluids..but Dr I > can't what if I am tested..I will lose my license > for drinking too much...or taking any over the > counter cough medicine or breathing the air..or > using hand sanitizer...what am I to do???? Stay as > in ill health as you can possibly do to satisfy you > contract so that you can maintain a license.. > > > Re: creatinine level low > > > They ARE trying to kill us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new > test > > > in > > > > MI. The > > > > results for > > > > > > the past year have been negative. Now with > > > > nothing changing my > > > > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal > level=19.0 > > > > the " normal range " > > > > is 20- > > > > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl > > > > sulfate was > > > > negative. I > > > > > > am wondering what this means? And has > anyone > > > > else tested low on > > > > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to > their > > > > case. I have not > > > > had a > > > > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't > understand > > > > how this could > > > > happen. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5 > days, I > > > > understand here in > > > > Michigan there are problems with the test, and > > > that > > > > one county here > > > > isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and > no > > > > longer do, I am in > > > > a HUGE custody battle with my past being used > > > > against me. Although > > > > I have a year of negative tests using this > same > > > > test, how bad do you > > > > think this will look for me(the low > creatinine), > > > it > > > > is 1 point low > > > > out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine > > > > sample until Sat, so > > > > that I may have it sent to another lab for > > > > retesting. This will > > > > cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't > want to > > > > spend on this. > > > > Would you reccomend another lab look at the > > > sample? > > > > Thank you very > > > > much for your welcome, and your advice I do so > > > > appreciate it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. http://www.findtherightschool.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Geez, you guys, can you get over this paranoid, whiny, victim mode of thinking?! Nobody is trying to KILL us. This is random drug testing. I know I put a lot of substances into my body that did FAR more harm than a few hours of underhydration or urine retention EVER will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new > > test > > > > in > > > > > MI. The > > > > > results for > > > > > > > the past year have been negative. Now with > > > > > nothing changing my > > > > > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal > > level=19.0 > > > > > the " normal range " > > > > > is 20- > > > > > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl > > > > > sulfate was > > > > > negative. I > > > > > > > am wondering what this means? And has > > anyone > > > > > else tested low on > > > > > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to > > their > > > > > case. I have not > > > > > had a > > > > > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't > > understand > > > > > how this could > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5 > > days, I > > > > > understand here in > > > > > Michigan there are problems with the test, and > > > > that > > > > > one county here > > > > > isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and > > no > > > > > longer do, I am in > > > > > a HUGE custody battle with my past being used > > > > > against me. Although > > > > > I have a year of negative tests using this > > same > > > > > test, how bad do you > > > > > think this will look for me(the low > > creatinine), > > > > it > > > > > is 1 point low > > > > > out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine > > > > > sample until Sat, so > > > > > that I may have it sent to another lab for > > > > > retesting. This will > > > > > cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't > > want to > > > > > spend on this. > > > > > Would you reccomend another lab look at the > > > > sample? > > > > > Thank you very > > > > > much for your welcome, and your advice I do so > > > > > appreciate it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________\ ____________ > Sponsored Link > > Get an Online or Campus degree > Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. > http://www.findtherightschool.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Yes, Lorie it is paranoid, however some of us have fallen victim to thier way of looking at things (like me) I guess you know about as much as there is to tell about my story but these are the "crimes" that I have committed in "their eyes" Re: creatinine level low Geez, you guys, can you get over this paranoid, whiny, victim mode of thinking?! Nobody is trying to KILL us. This is random drug testing. I know I put a lot of substances into my body that did FAR more harm than a few hours of underhydration or urine retention EVER will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new > > test > > > > in > > > > > MI. The > > > > > results for > > > > > > > the past year have been negative. Now with > > > > > nothing changing my > > > > > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal > > level=19.0 > > > > > the "normal range" > > > > > is 20- > > > > > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl > > > > > sulfate was > > > > > negative. I > > > > > > > am wondering what this means? And has > > anyone > > > > > else tested low on > > > > > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to > > their > > > > > case. I have not > > > > > had a > > > > > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't > > understand > > > > > how this could > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5 > > days, I > > > > > understand here in > > > > > Michigan there are problems with the test, and > > > > that > > > > > one county here > > > > > isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and > > no > > > > > longer do, I am in > > > > > a HUGE custody battle with my past being used > > > > > against me. Although > > > > > I have a year of negative tests using this > > same > > > > > test, how bad do you > > > > > think this will look for me(the low > > creatinine), > > > > it > > > > > is 1 point low > > > > > out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine > > > > > sample until Sat, so > > > > > that I may have it sent to another lab for > > > > > retesting. This will > > > > > cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't > > want to > > > > > spend on this. > > > > > Would you reccomend another lab look at the > > > > sample? > > > > > Thank you very > > > > > much for your welcome, and your advice I do so > > > > > appreciate it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________________________________\ ____________ > Sponsored Link > > Get an Online or Campus degree > Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. > http://www.findtherightschool.com > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 --- Personally I am " paranoid " enough of these tests to find out tomorrow about getting a tether, I will also research this, and find out how " touchy " they are. I work in the medical field, and use hand sanitizer at least 12x a day! I also have used straight rubbing alcohol, to wash my hands. Yes I am paranoid, but I will do everything in my power to get off this test, so I don't lose my child! In Ethylglucuronide , crssemc@... wrote: > > Yes, Lorie it is paranoid, however some of us have fallen victim to thier way of looking at things (like me) I guess you know about as much as there is to tell about my story but these are the " crimes " that I have committed in " their eyes " > > > Re: creatinine level low > > > Geez, you guys, can you get over this paranoid, whiny, victim mode of > thinking?! Nobody is trying to KILL us. This is random drug testing. I > know I put a lot of substances into my body that did FAR more harm than > a few hours of underhydration or urine retention EVER will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new > > > test > > > > > in > > > > > > MI. The > > > > > > results for > > > > > > > > the past year have been negative. Now with > > > > > > nothing changing my > > > > > > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal > > > level=19.0 > > > > > > the " normal range " > > > > > > is 20- > > > > > > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl > > > > > > sulfate was > > > > > > negative. I > > > > > > > > am wondering what this means? And has > > > anyone > > > > > > else tested low on > > > > > > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to > > > their > > > > > > case. I have not > > > > > > had a > > > > > > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't > > > understand > > > > > > how this could > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5 > > > days, I > > > > > > understand here in > > > > > > Michigan there are problems with the test, and > > > > > that > > > > > > one county here > > > > > > isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and > > > no > > > > > > longer do, I am in > > > > > > a HUGE custody battle with my past being used > > > > > > against me. Although > > > > > > I have a year of negative tests using this > > > same > > > > > > test, how bad do you > > > > > > think this will look for me(the low > > > creatinine), > > > > > it > > > > > > is 1 point low > > > > > > out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine > > > > > > sample until Sat, so > > > > > > that I may have it sent to another lab for > > > > > > retesting. This will > > > > > > cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't > > > want to > > > > > > spend on this. > > > > > > Would you reccomend another lab look at the > > > > > sample? > > > > > > Thank you very > > > > > > much for your welcome, and your advice I do so > > > > > > appreciate it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________\ > ____________ > > Sponsored Link > > > > Get an Online or Campus degree > > Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. > > http://www.findtherightschool.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ ___ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Are you talking about a SCRAM? You might check out Marcellus' blog for more information at http://convictedinnocent.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new> > > > test> > > > > > in> > > > > > > MI. The> > > > > > > results for> > > > > > > > > the past year have been negative. Now with> > > > > > > nothing changing my> > > > > > > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal> > > > level=19.0> > > > > > > the "normal range"> > > > > > > is 20-> > > > > > > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl> > > > > > > sulfate was> > > > > > > negative. I> > > > > > > > > am wondering what this means? And has> > > > anyone> > > > > > > else tested low on> > > > > > > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to> > > > their> > > > > > > case. I have not> > > > > > > had a> > > > > > > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't> > > > understand> > > > > > > how this could> > > > > > > happen.> > > > > > > > > Thank you> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5> > > > days, I> > > > > > > understand here in> > > > > > > Michigan there are problems with the test, and> > > > > > that> > > > > > > one county here> > > > > > > isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and> > > > no> > > > > > > longer do, I am in> > > > > > > a HUGE custody battle with my past being used> > > > > > > against me. Although> > > > > > > I have a year of negative tests using this> > > > same> > > > > > > test, how bad do you> > > > > > > think this will look for me(the low> > > > creatinine),> > > > > > it> > > > > > > is 1 point low> > > > > > > out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine> > > > > > > sample until Sat, so> > > > > > > that I may have it sent to another lab for> > > > > > > retesting. This will> > > > > > > cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't> > > > want to> > > > > > > spend on this.> > > > > > > Would you reccomend another lab look at the> > > > > > sample?> > > > > > > Thank you very> > > > > > > much for your welcome, and your advice I do so> > > > > > > appreciate it!> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > === message truncated ===> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________________\> > ____________> > > Sponsored Link> > >> > > Get an Online or Campus degree> > > Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year.> > > http://www.findtherightschool.com> > >> > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________> ___> > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 we all should be paranoid about this test..I know just how you feel dannys mom..but being stuck in victim mode can destroy us ..thats why you should be here..to learn and put the word out ..have you thought about the CDT blood test??? or looked into it?? I wouldnt get that scram thing..how about more etoh testing its cheaper and it does up to 24 hours ..and thats why I think they keep this test in its cut offs .longer detection they say but as we all know that is not the case.if they where to use it with the cut offs of 1000 or 2000 it would just be a measurement of 24 hours.more money for the labs yes.and why would we pay more for a test that there are others that do the same.its marketed this way.lets face it random is random..I have found that the ones that give this test are not the least bit educated as to how it works ..and its pitfalls.they do what they are taught.. let us know how you make out!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am random tested using the ETG/ETS new > > > > test > > > > > > in > > > > > > > MI. The > > > > > > > results for > > > > > > > > > the past year have been negative. Now with > > > > > > > nothing changing my > > > > > > > > > creatinine level is at an abnormal > > > > level=19.0 > > > > > > > the " normal range " > > > > > > > is 20- > > > > > > > > > 400 mg/dl. The ethyl glucuronide and ethyl > > > > > > > sulfate was > > > > > > > negative. I > > > > > > > > > am wondering what this means? And has > > > > anyone > > > > > > > else tested low on > > > > > > > > > creatinine levels, and what it did to > > > > their > > > > > > > case. I have not > > > > > > > had a > > > > > > > > > drink in almost 2 years, and don't > > > > understand > > > > > > > how this could > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This etg/ets test is suppose to go back 5 > > > > days, I > > > > > > > understand here in > > > > > > > Michigan there are problems with the test, and > > > > > > that > > > > > > > one county here > > > > > > > isn't using them at all. I haven't drank, and > > > > no > > > > > > > longer do, I am in > > > > > > > a HUGE custody battle with my past being used > > > > > > > against me. Although > > > > > > > I have a year of negative tests using this > > > > same > > > > > > > test, how bad do you > > > > > > > think this will look for me(the low > > > > creatinine), > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is 1 point low > > > > > > > out of range. Also the lab is saving the urine > > > > > > > sample until Sat, so > > > > > > > that I may have it sent to another lab for > > > > > > > retesting. This will > > > > > > > cost about 300 bucks, which I really don't > > > > want to > > > > > > > spend on this. > > > > > > > Would you reccomend another lab look at the > > > > > > sample? > > > > > > > Thank you very > > > > > > > much for your welcome, and your advice I do so > > > > > > > appreciate it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________\ > > ____________ > > > Sponsored Link > > > > > > Get an Online or Campus degree > > > Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. > > > http://www.findtherightschool.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > ___ > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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