Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Here are two comments which ran in the WSJ regarding the article on Etg: Letters to the Editor A Sober Look at Testing for Alcohol Use 451 words 12 September 2006 The Wall Street Journal A21 English (Copyright © 2006, Dow & Company, Inc.) " A Test for Alcohol -- and Its Flaws " (page one, Aug. 12) creates the false impression that EtG is an untested test sold by Northwest Toxicology, which became part of Quest Diagnostics in 2005. That isn't the case. Northwest Tox began offering EtG testing in March 2004 after carefully validating the test, using methods that have been published in scientific literature. In 2002, researchers in Sweden reported the development of a relatively simple analytical procedure for EtG using liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry. This data showed that EtG in urine could be used as a target for a laboratory test to detect recent alcohol intake, even after ethanol was no longer measurable in urine. Based on requests from customers, Northwest Tox developed a procedure for EtG with performance characteristics paralleling the sensitivity expressed by the Swedish researchers. As part of its validation, Northwest Tox performed a negative-agreement study where urine samples from 1,500 alcohol-free volunteers were analyzed for EtG. Included in this population were the small number of volunteers from Northwest Tox's laboratory alluded to in your article. This study confirmed that subjects who didn't consume alcohol wouldn't generate positive results. Additional analytical studies customarily performed by most workplace drug-testing laboratories were performed to document the overall performance of our EtG testing method. The EtG test is a useful tool. While it is a scientifically valid test, like all laboratory tests, results must be interpreted by qualified individuals who are able to determine what the results might mean. Lenox B. Abbott, Ph.D. Director, Production Support Services Quest Diagnostics Employer Solutions Lyndhurst, N.J. --- I am appalled that programs around the country continue to use EtG testing as the benchmark for sobriety when the doctor who originally determined that it was the " gold standard " of sobriety testing has backpedaled from his original findings. If program administrators were held accountable for the decisions they've made to revoke licenses since the EtG test was introduced as a result of " innocent positive " test results, you better believe there would be a class-action lawsuit because innocent people's lives have been turned upside down as a result of these decisions. They have lost their ability to work in the profession they love, the ability to make money and have even had their names slandered. Who can make the decision to pull the EtG test until further studies have been conducted? Why hasn't it been done? Why are these programs willing to let this test destroy people who have turned their lives around to become productive members of society again? Jan Severance Long Beach, Calif. Document J000000020060912e29c0001d More Like This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Hi Marci, You made an excellent point about researching car seats and not vaccinations....isn't it strange we worry so much about what we put baby IN but not so much what we put INTO baby? A lot of my friends were like that when they were having babies, worrying about which pattern to go with, which highchair to get, what color stroller to get...I certainly was alone in my quest to get answers about vaccines, thank goodness for the internet and my father whom helped me tremendously. My father was the one who told me not to vaccinate, he made me promise I wouldn't, he also sent me to have my fillings taken out and replaced, then helped me with the heavy-metal detox treatments prior to getting pregnant. I am so thankful that he inspired me to connect all the dots and taught me how to think for myself beyond all the propaganda. He also bought my first subscription to " Mothering " for me, my all-time favorite magazine. I buy a subscription now for every expectant mother I know, that usually lights the fire! Peace, Kris > > I couldn't help myself and followed the link to read more of the > comments on this board. It is to bad that the vax debate becomes so > emotional, as soon as people start calling each other names, it doesn't > matter what study you show and what side you are on, people are on the > defense. I just had to share one comment that I laughed a bit at, a > woman who was thrilled at the chance to give her SON the HPV vaccine, > did she miss health class? Or does she really think he has a cervix? > (note sarcasm) Also several people commented and asked, if the > vaccines " work " as well as they are supposed to why are they afraid of > our unvaxed kids? Not a single person responded to this, I think that > says it all. It was also disturbing to read a pediatrician who said > there are studies that show a baby's immune system could handle 10,000 > vaccines on the same day. And this would only be using .01 percent of > the babies immune system. If this were truly the case, how in the > world would the immune system (in his theory) be unable to deal with a > case of the measles? He continued to say that it was more than safe to > get your child vaxed even with a mild illness, fever, or diarhea????? > That one made me sick. He ended with the classic, getting your baby > immunized is the best thing that you can do. YUCK > One post I liked said she wished she had researched vaccines as much as > she had car seats, cribs, and high chairs. I echo these sentiments > since I was ignorant and thought about car seats more than I even did > vaccines. > Marci > <http://blogs. wsj.com/juggle/ 2008/03/21/ to-vaccinate- or-not-the- > growing-debate/ ?mod=WSJBlog? mod=googlenews_ wsj>http://blogs. > wsj.com/juggle/ 2008/03/21/ to-vaccinate- or-not-the- growing-debate/ ? > mod=WSJBlog? mod=googlenews_ wsj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Hi Kris, it is wonderful you have such a supportive father. I hope I can be as helpful to my children as he has been to you. Many on this list have family who oppose their choices. It is nice to hear different. And it inspires me to hope my children feel the same way about my guidance when they are adults. Fieldman Re: WSJ Comments I certainly was alone in my quest to get answers about vaccines, thank goodness for the internet and my father whom helped me tremendously. My father was the one who told me not to vaccinate, he made me promise I wouldn't, he also sent me to have my fillings taken out and replaced, then helped me with the heavy-metal detox treatments prior to getting pregnant. I am so thankful that he inspired me to connect all the dots and taught me how to think for myself beyond all the propaganda. He also bought my first subscription to " Mothering " for me, my all-time favorite magazine. I buy a subscription now for every expectant mother I know, that usually lights the fire! Peace, Kris Recent Activity a.. 15New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Wellness Spot A resource for Curves and weight loss. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 What a COOL dad Kris! My mom is totally supportive of my decisions not to vax (my dad died three weeks before my son was born), even though she had polio as a child and had to overcome paralysis. She has what she believes is " Post Polio Syndrome " today, and I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't that she's heavy metal toxic. She was an HIV nurse for the State of New Mexico for years and was forced to receive too many vaccinations to even count. I know she got flu shots every year, too. They tend to monitor the vaccinations of HIV nurses closer than any other nurse, I think. Anyway, what a cool story. It's really nice to hear of supportive family members out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 > .....isn't it strange we worry so much about what we put > baby IN but not so much what we put INTO baby? > > Peace, > Kris > This is something I try to drive home to young moms all the time. You childproof your house, you buy the best carseats and you still clean with toxic chemicals in your homes?? I think it comes down to education (as do most things). Most people don't realize, though, that their everyday cleaners cause respiratory damage and are carcinogens. Same with foods. These moms just don't understand that the colorful, sugary delights that their kids craves are making them sick and inattentive. We must address it with love in our hearts, though, and not come across as judgmental. Sheri B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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