Re: EtGClientGuidance101806.pdf

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my maalox..".I've been drinking that these days" LOL propylene glycol in it..isn't that a by product of petrochemicals just curious..hmmm byproducts any thoughts on that??? ask me about plants I can tell you anything but I am not a chemist..just part of this treasure hunt! oh for the record and the newbies I refused testing in late June of this year ..said I would do anything but..and guess what "DAMNED IF YOU DO,DAMNED IF YOU DONT"...now I am suffering health issues I feel are directly connected to this awful test..not looking for any pity..just would be nice to be vindicated..

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Well it's a little too late for some of us Bastards just trying to cover thier butts!!!

EtGClientGuidance101806.pdf

There it is folks! new guidance from the labs...

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Oh yeah, if I stop using my asthma inhaler I'll be in compliance. Why am I not thrilled by a choice between breathing and keeping my license?These folks are just trying to cover their sorry butts for predatory marketing. And as so many have pointed out, even if you read labels it's not always possible to avoid incidental exposure; I had no idea there was alcohol in Red Bell (maybe that's why so many young alcoholics drink it). I always avoided it because of the price; I figured it would be cheaper to down a regular soft drink and take a vitamin pill.>> There it is folks! new guidance from the labs...>

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--- Judy,

Just as all of the baby boomers who smoked dope and took LSD are

not " addicts " , the young people today who use Red Bull with alcohol

are not " alcoholics " . They are young people who are partaking in

the fad of the time. Nothing more, nothing less.

In Ethylglucuronide , " Judy " <floridajudy@...> wrote:

>

> Oh yeah, if I stop using my asthma inhaler I'll be in compliance.

Why

> am I not thrilled by a choice between breathing and keeping my

license?

>

> These folks are just trying to cover their sorry butts for

predatory

> marketing. And as so many have pointed out, even if you read

labels

> it's not always possible to avoid incidental exposure; I had no

idea

> there was alcohol in Red Bell (maybe that's why so many young

alcoholics

> drink it). I always avoided it because of the price; I figured it

would

> be cheaper to down a regular soft drink and take a vitamin pill.

>

>

> >

> > There it is folks! new guidance from the labs...

> >

>

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> > >

> > > There it is folks! new guidance from the labs...

> > >

> >

>

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Well, so much for 's beta editor; it erased my reply.

I was being sarcastic about the Red Bull. I have noticed a lot of

young (teen and early twenties) recovering alcoholics drinking the

stuff, but I always thought it was for the caffeine, and the macho

label. I doubt they're getting a buzz from the ETOH.

And you're absolutely right about people getting downright puritan

about sub-therapeutic doses of anything. The leader of my " nurse

support group " has a bee in her bonnet about the tiny amount of

ginseng in my favorite green tea, although nothing I have read

suggests that ginseng is addictive, even in large doses.

Monitoring should be about staying clean and sane and sober, not about

being paranoid about everything you eat, drink, breathe, apply to your

body or clean your house with. It makes sense to avoid products with

a whopping alcohol content - such as Listerine or Nyquil - but unless

you're eating the underarm deodorant, its ingredients shouldn't be an

issue.

And mosquito repellent? Every brand I've checked out has at least

some alcohol. In case you haven't guessed by my handle, I live in

*Florida*. The local critters consider me a tasty snack. When I

check out due to West Nile or Equine Encephalitis, will my fellow AAs

remark " Well, at least she died sober... " (now I am being sarcastic).

-- In Ethylglucuronide , " Lorie " <saclorie@...> wrote:

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>

> Oh Judy, please tell me the comment about young alcoholics having some

> absurd affinity for a subtherapeutic dose of ethanol is a sarcastic one.

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Maybe FirstLab could be expected to provide a list of ALL the products containing alcohol that one must abstain from in fear of losing a license. Fact is, NO ONE can provide that list, because there is no list of ALL products containing alcohol(esp. those not labeled), nor does ANYONE know what does or does not cause positives in any given individual. Huge recomemdation on their part to put the responsibility on the monitored when THEY don't even have that information!! Lorie <saclorie@...> wrote: Oh Judy, please tell me the comment about young alcoholics having some absurd affinity for a subtherapeutic dose of ethanol is a sarcastic one. It brings back memories of Knipe's idiotic comment from the WSJ article: "Some in sobriety enforcement contend any alcohol, however ingested, could trigger a relapse in recovering addicts. "They must abstain from alcohol in any form," says Knipe. Is anyone aware of there being ANY evidence that this is the truth? Or is it like the "gateway theory"...Sounds logical (to a sick and twisted mind) and keeps the treatment industry rolling in the dough? > >> > There it is folks! new guidance from the labs...> >>

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Wow, Judy, pretty high class meetings you're going to if they can afford

the Red Bull! I'm very much an evidence-based believer--i.e. show me the

evidence and I will believe. So to hear some therapist questioning

low-doses of ginseng...or my own therapist openly encourage the docs in

the group to feel FREE to utilize Purell in their practices...or

Compassvision say that endogenous alcohol production cannot cause a

positive EtG test...SHOW ME SOME VALID EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE

SAYING OR SHUT YOUR MOUTH, I say. I'm just so sick and tired of this

whole recovery industry popping off their mouths in some scientifically

smart manner when they have no basis for what they are speculating. Yes,

FirstLab took that graph off their website. But did they put any

disclaimer there to say that what was there was grossly incorrect? Hey,

my board may have seen that graph and sanctioned a few people based upon

what it said. Should they not be held accountable? THANK YOU, , for

copying that graph. I'm anxious to hear how they defend their action

when their asses are hauled into court.

> >

> >

> > Oh Judy, please tell me the comment about young alcoholics having

some

> > absurd affinity for a subtherapeutic dose of ethanol is a sarcastic

one.

>

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-- The " young recovering alcoholics " , those in their teens and early

twenties......The only reason they are " recovering " is because they

did something stupid which involved drugs and alcohol.

I have to tell you, it frosts my balls when I hear the drug warriors

make the statement: " There are more young people in treatment today

for marijuana than for any other drug " . What a misleading

statement. They fail to mention the only reason those young people

are there is because they got caught with marijuana.

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In Ethylglucuronide , " Judy " <floridajudy@...> wrote:

>

> Well, so much for 's beta editor; it erased my reply.

>

> I was being sarcastic about the Red Bull. I have noticed a lot of

> young (teen and early twenties) recovering alcoholics drinking the

> stuff, but I always thought it was for the caffeine, and the macho

> label. I doubt they're getting a buzz from the ETOH.

>

> And you're absolutely right about people getting downright puritan

> about sub-therapeutic doses of anything. The leader of my " nurse

> support group " has a bee in her bonnet about the tiny amount of

> ginseng in my favorite green tea, although nothing I have read

> suggests that ginseng is addictive, even in large doses.

>

> Monitoring should be about staying clean and sane and sober, not

about

> being paranoid about everything you eat, drink, breathe, apply to

your

> body or clean your house with. It makes sense to avoid products

with

> a whopping alcohol content - such as Listerine or Nyquil - but

unless

> you're eating the underarm deodorant, its ingredients shouldn't be

an

> issue.

>

> And mosquito repellent? Every brand I've checked out has at least

> some alcohol. In case you haven't guessed by my handle, I live in

> *Florida*. The local critters consider me a tasty snack. When I

> check out due to West Nile or Equine Encephalitis, will my fellow

AAs

> remark " Well, at least she died sober... " (now I am being

sarcastic).

>

>

> -- In Ethylglucuronide , " Lorie " <saclorie@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Oh Judy, please tell me the comment about young alcoholics

having some

> > absurd affinity for a subtherapeutic dose of ethanol is a

sarcastic one.

>

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....um, Madison, you don't have any balls to frost, do you???

> > >> > > > > > Oh Judy, please tell me the comment about young alcoholics > having some> > > absurd affinity for a subtherapeutic dose of ethanol is a > sarcastic one.> >>

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---No, but I do have a bad case of penis envy!!!!!

HARRRRRRRRRRRDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

In Ethylglucuronide , " Lorie " <saclorie@...> wrote:

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>

> ...um, Madison, you don't have any balls to frost, do you??? []

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Oh Judy, please tell me the comment about young alcoholics

> > having some

> > > > absurd affinity for a subtherapeutic dose of ethanol is a

> > sarcastic one.

> > >

> >

>

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Yeah, I get that every time they call me to drop another urine.

>

> ---No, but I do have a bad case of penis envy!!!!!

> HARRRRRRRRRRRDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Guest guest]

I expect that's true of a lot of young people, but my son has at least

one friend who I'm sure really *is* a full-blown alcoholic at age

twenty two. He's been treated in the emergency room three times for

acute alcohol poisoning, and he gets the shakes if he goes more than a

day without a drink. Every time I see the kid he's obviously intoxicated.

Thank goodness he's one of those cheerful drunks who doesn't put up a

fuss when you confiscate his car keys, since I've had to do it on

several occasions.

But he doesn't drink Red Bull. He drinks Budweiser.

>

> -- The " young recovering alcoholics " , those in their teens and early

> twenties......The only reason they are " recovering " is because they

> did something stupid which involved drugs and alcohol.