Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Just wondering what two states are you monitoring and how is that working for you?giantsfan70191 <flamingo@...> wrote: Isn't there some way to correlate the specific gravity and creatinine to tell the difference between someone who's just been drinking water on a hot day and someone who is extrinsically diluting their specimen?I remember one day, on a visit to one of my monitoring programs (I am being monitored concurrently by two states), overhearing a phone conversation between one of the program staff and a person from the state board who had a question about a possibly dilute urine. I thought she said something to suggest that one can look at the creatinine and specific gravity to tell the difference between someone simply drinking water and someone extrinsically diluting their urine. She also said that the program staff thinks it's unreasonable to expect people not to drink any water on testing days out of fear of a dilute urine.I used to drink quite a bit of water on testing days myself, mainly because, for a while, I gave all my urines first thing in the morning, and I usually have to empty my bladder upon rising. So, I'd usually chug down 4-5 glasses of water before hitting the shower. A couple of times, my urine has been almost completely clear, but I've never been hassled about a dilute urine--am I just lucky?>> Last week my number came up for a random urine test - never the best> news in the world. It's always a hassle, even before this EtG fiasco,> though I understand why it has to be done. I always have to get the> timing right: drink enough fluid that I can pee on demand, but not so> much I submit a dilute specimen, and juggle cup, clothing (the only> time I ever suffer from penis envy).> > So, I get home yesterday to a chilling message on my answering> machine. "This is Lab Corps. We need to speak with you about your> urine test. Call us back ASAP". My heart almost stopped. Of course,> if I'd been thinking clearly, I would have realized that Lab Corps> would never have called me about a positive test: that would be IPN's> responsibility. But who the heck could think clearly at that point?> > Calling back, I get put on hold for what feels like a geological age. > > "So sorry to bother you, but our computer crashed and cancelled your> debit card transaction. Is it okay if we mail you a bill?"> > I almost screamed "Don't EVER do that to me again!" Then I sat down> on the floor and laughed. It reminded me of the time I got a message> from Officer So-and-So at the Police Department, requesting I call her> back. I was convinced a family member was dead or had been arrested.> Officer So-and-So turned out to be just a client with a question> about her prescription.> > Sheesh, this whole EtG thing has me so paranoid! Used to be my main> worry about the tests was coming up with the cash to pay for them. > That supposed positive over a year ago has turned me into a complete> nervous wreck every time my number comes up. Staying sober is a piece> of cake, compared to staying sane...> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I get these all the time and they aren't helpful. In Arizona they call them diluted and they indicate that you are somehow trying to cheat by drinking too much water. In reality, it's the caffeine that dilutes the creatine. The Dept. of Transportation recommends drinking 8 oz of orange juice two hours before the test and not to drink soda or caffeinated products prior to testing. So now we're all being tested for coffee. Chris Re: Omigosh Hi I would say just lucky. Last week in my professional meeting several people were saying that they received letters about low creatinine and someone who is new to monitoring started getting nervous. I piped in and said I have been in the program for 2 years always test in the afternoon and drink a gallon of water a day and at least 6 cups of coffee and I have never had a problem. As luck would have it I got a low creatinine letter 3 days later informing me that my last two tests were low. The irony is it is the only time in 2 years I tested in the morning only drinking a couple of cups of coffee & very little water. I called my case worker right away. He said it was just to make me aware. However the form letter states that another low MAY indicate relapse and hold diciplinary results. I told him that it is a shame that something I cant control, how much creatinine my kidneys excrete has the potential to be as harmful to my future as a positive drug test. I can control not picking up a drug or a drink...> >> > Last week my number came up for a random urine test - never the > best> > news in the world. It's always a hassle, even before this EtG > fiasco,> > though I understand why it has to be done. I always have to get > the> > timing right: drink enough fluid that I can pee on demand, but not > so> > much I submit a dilute specimen, and juggle cup, clothing (the only> > time I ever suffer from penis envy).> > > > So, I get home yesterday to a chilling message on my answering> > machine. "This is Lab Corps. We need to speak with you about your> > urine test. Call us back ASAP". My heart almost stopped. Of > course,> > if I'd been thinking clearly, I would have realized that Lab Corps> > would never have called me about a positive test: that would be > IPN's> > responsibility. But who the heck could think clearly at that > point?> > > > Calling back, I get put on hold for what feels like a geological > age. > > > > "So sorry to bother you, but our computer crashed and cancelled > your> > debit card transaction. Is it okay if we mail you a bill?"> > > > I almost screamed "Don't EVER do that to me again!" Then I sat > down> > on the floor and laughed. It reminded me of the time I got a > message> > from Officer So-and-So at the Police Department, requesting I call > her> > back. I was convinced a family member was dead or had been > arrested.> > Officer So-and-So turned out to be just a client with a question> > about her prescription.> > > > Sheesh, this whole EtG thing has me so paranoid! Used to be my > main> > worry about the tests was coming up with the cash to pay for them. > > That supposed positive over a year ago has turned me into a > complete> > nervous wreck every time my number comes up. Staying sober is a > piece> > of cake, compared to staying sane...> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Any suggestions other than the oj before testing? I have bad GERD & can't tolerate citrus juices. I drink a fair amount of iced tea, quite dilute, & have only once had an "out of range" result; no tea then, just tons of water in the heat of July in CA. My creatinine fluctuates quite a bit everything from 21.6 to 177.1. I eat/drink pretty much the same things/amounts daily. Go figure. Conlan <christopherconlan@...> wrote: I get these all the time and they aren't helpful. In Arizona they call them diluted and they indicate that you are somehow trying to cheat by drinking too much water. In reality, it's the caffeine that dilutes the creatine. The Dept. of Transportation recommends drinking 8 oz of orange juice two hours before the test and not to drink soda or caffeinated products prior to testing. So now we're all being tested for coffee. Re: Omigosh Hi I would say just lucky. Last week in my professional meeting several people were saying that they received letters about low creatinine and someone who is new to monitoring started getting nervous. I piped in and said I have been in the program for 2 years always test in the afternoon and drink a gallon of water a day and at least 6 cups of coffee and I have never had a problem. As luck would have it I got a low creatinine letter 3 days later informing me that my last two tests were low. The irony is it is the only time in 2 years I tested in the morning only drinking a couple of cups of coffee & very little water. I called my case worker right away. He said it was just to make me aware. However the form letter states that another low MAY indicate relapse and hold diciplinary results. I told him that it is a shame that something I cant control, how much creatinine my kidneys excrete has the potential to be as harmful to my future as a positive drug test. I can control not picking up a drug or a drink...> >> > Last week my number came up for a random urine test - never the > best> > news in the world. It's always a hassle, even before this EtG > fiasco,> > though I understand why it has to be done. I always have to get > the> > timing right: drink enough fluid that I can pee on demand, but not > so> > much I submit a dilute specimen, and juggle cup, clothing (the only> > time I ever suffer from penis envy).> > > > So, I get home yesterday to a chilling message on my answering> > machine. "This is Lab Corps. We need to speak with you about your> > urine test. Call us back ASAP". My heart almost stopped. Of > course,> > if I'd been thinking clearly, I would have realized that Lab Corps> > would never have called me about a positive test: that would be > IPN's> > responsibility. But who the heck could think clearly at that > point?> > > > Calling back, I get put on hold for what feels like a geological > age. > > > > "So sorry to bother you, but our computer crashed and cancelled > your> > debit card transaction. Is it okay if we mail you a bill?"> > > > I almost screamed "Don't EVER do that to me again!" Then I sat > down> > on the floor and laughed. It reminded me of the time I got a > message> > from Officer So-and-So at the Police Department, requesting I call > her> > back. I was convinced a family member was dead or had been > arrested.> > Officer So-and-So turned out to be just a client with a question> > about her prescription.> > > > Sheesh, this whole EtG thing has me so paranoid! Used to be my > main> > worry about the tests was coming up with the cash to pay for them. > > That supposed positive over a year ago has turned me into a > complete> > nervous wreck every time my number comes up. Staying sober is a > piece> > of cake, compared to staying sane...> >> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 when I was called I had 20 minutes to an hour to report to the lab....I was never told a damn thing about anything at any time about this test..I also was never tested for creatine ..it was if you cant pee now you will have to wait until you can,,most times it was hard to reach the line on the bottle...I have been getting my own ETOH tests and they will not accept them still..I have 2 weeks till the total loss of my child..they have all info we have sent..its a nitemare...I feel for all of you out there ,,what more can we do ??? the agency's don't seem to care about recent developments..I am pursuing a class action ..but money cannot and will not repair the damage to my being able to have any kind of relationship with my child..not to mention the daily anxiety that I feel that has affected my personal relationships.."accept things I cannot change.. my ass..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 he sent off the advisory last week ..still nothing..his wording was " enclosed for informational purposes relative to the growing concern about the accuracy of ETG testing is a copy of the report from the substance abuse treatment advisory" he also sent kevins October 5 article Its a very corrupt system CPS and like I said they are not accountable to anyone...and NO I never was asked if I was on any med's and I was not never tested for creatine..my urine was yellow....we are still waiting for the toxicologist to call about that letter CPS wrote,we are hoping it will jog his memory..but the way its written I have my doubts that she even called cause it seems so verbatim to the labs write ups selling the test..plus she was supposed to ask about other tests like CDT....all of the judges rulings were based on this test...the way I am seeing it ,is its up to the courts how they choose to read the results..so what has changed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 yes I have some of the reports and I see no mention..don't they measure that when you pee..if that's the case they have NOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 ill check again they just check off boxes positive and a number and positive for diazepam that I have been on for over ten years because of the wellbutrin seizure issue ive been on and its funny when its says positive for diazepam they have 2 other thing s in that family listed like oxapam ect I ll dig them out..and we always pull out my scripts to show and I started bringing them with me when I was tested so they could put them on my receipt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Who is your monitoring company?ginamarie249 <gina.tavano@...> wrote: Hi ChrisI got called again this saturday. The only thing i drank was an 8 0z coffee. Our monitoring company says drink no more than 12oz of fluid so we shall see..> > >> > > Last week my number came up for a random urine test - never the > > best> > > news in the world. It's always a hassle, even before this EtG > > fiasco,> > > though I understand why it has to be done. I always have to get > > the> > > timing right: drink enough fluid that I can pee on demand, but > not > > so> > > much I submit a dilute specimen, and juggle cup, clothing (the > only> > > time I ever suffer from penis envy).> > > > > > So, I get home yesterday to a chilling message on my answering> > > machine. "This is Lab Corps. We need to speak with you about > your> > > urine test. Call us back ASAP". My heart almost stopped. Of > > course,> > > if I'd been thinking clearly, I would have realized that Lab Corps> > > would never have called me about a positive test: that would be > > IPN's> > > responsibility. But who the heck could think clearly at that > > point?> > > > > > Calling back, I get put on hold for what feels like a geological > > age. > > > > > > "So sorry to bother you, but our computer crashed and cancelled > > your> > > debit card transaction. Is it okay if we mail you a bill?"> > > > > > I almost screamed "Don't EVER do that to me again!" Then I sat > > down> > > on the floor and laughed. It reminded me of the time I got a > > message> > > from Officer So-and-So at the Police Department, requesting I > call > > her> > > back. I was convinced a family member was dead or had been > > arrested.> > > Officer So-and-So turned out to be just a client with a question> > > about her prescription.> > > > > > Sheesh, this whole EtG thing has me so paranoid! Used to be my > > main> > > worry about the tests was coming up with the cash to pay for > them. > > > That supposed positive over a year ago has turned me into a > > complete> > > nervous wreck every time my number comes up. Staying sober is a > > piece> > > of cake, compared to staying sane...> > >> >> Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited Try it today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 I don't know, last week I ate a pound of sausages, drank only chocolate milk and ate a handful of multi-vitamins. I thought I was going to have renal failure during the test, but there is no way it was diluted! Re: Omigosh Hi I would say just lucky. Last week in my professional meeting several people were saying that they received letters about low creatinine and someone who is new to monitoring started getting nervous. I piped in and said I have been in the program for 2 years always test in the afternoon and drink a gallon of water a day and at least 6 cups of coffee and I have never had a problem. As luck would have it I got a low creatinine letter 3 days later informing me that my last two tests were low. The irony is it is the only time in 2 years I tested in the morning only drinking a couple of cups of coffee & very little water. I called my case worker right away. He said it was just to make me aware. However the form letter states that another low MAY indicate relapse and hold diciplinary results. I told him that it is a shame that something I cant control, how much creatinine my kidneys excrete has the potential to be as harmful to my future as a positive drug test. I can control not picking up a drug or a drink...> >> > Last week my number came up for a random urine test - never the > best> > news in the world. It's always a hassle, even before this EtG > fiasco,> > though I understand why it has to be done. I always have to get > the> > timing right: drink enough fluid that I can pee on demand, but not > so> > much I submit a dilute specimen, and juggle cup, clothing (the only> > time I ever suffer from penis envy).> > > > So, I get home yesterday to a chilling message on my answering> > machine. "This is Lab Corps. We need to speak with you about your> > urine test. Call us back ASAP". My heart almost stopped. Of > course,> > if I'd been thinking clearly, I would have realized that Lab Corps> > would never have called me about a positive test: that would be > IPN's> > responsibility. But who the heck could think clearly at that > point?> > > > Calling back, I get put on hold for what feels like a geological > age. > > > > "So sorry to bother you, but our computer crashed and cancelled > your> > debit card transaction. Is it okay if we mail you a bill?"> > > > I almost screamed "Don't EVER do that to me again!" Then I sat > down> > on the floor and laughed. It reminded me of the time I got a > message> > from Officer So-and-So at the Police Department, requesting I call > her> > back. I was convinced a family member was dead or had been > arrested.> > Officer So-and-So turned out to be just a client with a question> > about her prescription.> > > > Sheesh, this whole EtG thing has me so paranoid! Used to be my > main> > worry about the tests was coming up with the cash to pay for them. > > That supposed positive over a year ago has turned me into a > complete> > nervous wreck every time my number comes up. Staying sober is a > piece> > of cake, compared to staying sane...> >> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 what is this fermantation risk of which you speak? Re: Omigosh Hi guys,I stay away from ANY fruit juice before testing, cause of rumor of the "fermentation" risk, and seem to have had good luck with drinking milk in some form before I test (I eat a lot of cereal) and because of the high protein content, it keeps the creatine up; Obviously in the heat of July that is no good, and many people don't like milk, but besides that I just suffer and keep myself ultra dehydrated for 4 hours before I test. "They say," that if you don't drink or pee for 4 hours before you test, you will be fine. I make it 5 just to be safe, and since I started this practice i haven't had a problem (I had 2 "out of ranges" over the course of 2 years, last one in January and they tested me three frickin times back to back afterward, so I make damn sure never to do that again). I'd rather be pruned and resentful. And hi Robin, you are definately among friends here. It still blows my mind how many of us are out there getting f*ck*d by this damn test. Sorry for the bitter attitude, I just had to put my beloved 16 year old dog to sleep last night kind of suddenly (though I knew it was coming, just not that fast) and don't have much reserve for anything else, particularly how the system is still screwing so many of us. But realistically, this group is not a bitch session, is absolutely awesome, totally about solution, and has been a huge help in keeping me sane during this etg hell...Welcome!Amy in CA (Los Angeles)> > >> > > Last week my number came up for a random urine test - never the > > best> > > news in the world. It's always a hassle, even before this EtG > > fiasco,> > > though I understand why it has to be done. I always have to get > > the> > > timing right: drink enough fluid that I can pee on demand, but > not > > so> > > much I submit a dilute specimen, and juggle cup, clothing (the > only> > > time I ever suffer from penis envy).> > > > > > So, I get home yesterday to a chilling message on my answering> > > machine. "This is Lab Corps. We need to speak with you about > your> > > urine test. Call us back ASAP". My heart almost stopped. Of > > course,> > > if I'd been thinking clearly, I would have realized that Lab Corps> > > would never have called me about a positive test: that would be > > IPN's> > > responsibility. But who the heck could think clearly at that > > point?> > > > > > Calling back, I get put on hold for what feels like a geological > > age. > > > > > > "So sorry to bother you, but our computer crashed and cancelled > > your> > > debit card transaction. Is it okay if we mail you a bill?"> > > > > > I almost screamed "Don't EVER do that to me again!" Then I sat > > down> > > on the floor and laughed. It reminded me of the time I got a > > message> > > from Officer So-and-So at the Police Department, requesting I > call > > her> > > back. I was convinced a family member was dead or had been > > arrested.> > > Officer So-and-So turned out to be just a client with a question> > > about her prescription.> > > > > > Sheesh, this whole EtG thing has me so paranoid! Used to be my > > main> > > worry about the tests was coming up with the cash to pay for > them. > > > That supposed positive over a year ago has turned me into a > > complete> > > nervous wreck every time my number comes up. Staying sober is a > > piece> > > of cake, compared to staying sane...> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 fermenting/autobrewing is a major deal...the square footage of an average house within each of us ready to absorb any etoh over digestive periods of hours...regards,r Small intestine is major digestive organ. Receives bile from liver and pancreatic juice from pancreas. 3 parts--duodenum, jejunum, ileum. Circular folds, villi, and microvilli increase surface area to the square footage of a house. Brush border is formed of microvilli. Wall produces enzymeswhich are bound to the brush border and absorb nutrients. Lorie <lorieg@...> wrote: Overripe fruit (including fresh fruit juices) have the potential toferment, creating alcohol as a byproduct. I was told if I ate a kilo ofgrapes, I might have ingested enough to have a positive EtG. In the WSJarticle, Dr. Hoffman (of SAMHSA) stated that a carton of apple juiceleft a long time in the refrigerator could conceivably produce apositive EtG test.> > > >> > > > Last week my number came up for a random urine test - never the> > > best> > > > news in the world. It's always a hassle, even before this EtG> > > fiasco,> > > > though I understand why it has to be done. I always have to get> > > the> > > > timing right: drink enough fluid that I can pee on demand, but> > not> > > so> > > > much I submit a dilute specimen, and juggle cup, clothing (the> > only> > > > time I ever suffer from penis envy).> > > >> > > > So, I get home yesterday to a chilling message on my answering> > > > machine. "This is Lab Corps. We need to speak with you about> > your> > > > urine test. Call us back ASAP". My heart almost stopped. Of> > > course,> > > > if I'd been thinking clearly, I would have realized that LabCorps> > > > would never have called me about a positive test: that would be> > > IPN's> > > > responsibility. But who the heck could think clearly at that> > > point?> > > >> > > > Calling back, I get put on hold for what feels like a geological> > > age.> > > >> > > > "So sorry to bother you, but our computer crashed and cancelled> > > your> > > > debit card transaction. Is it okay if we mail you a bill?"> > > >> > > > I almost screamed "Don't EVER do that to me again!" Then I sat> > > down> > > > on the floor and laughed. It reminded me of the time I got a> > > message> > > > from Officer So-and-So at the Police Department, requesting I> > call> > > her> > > > back. I was convinced a family member was dead or had been> > > arrested.> > > > Officer So-and-So turned out to be just a client with a question> > > > about her prescription.> > > >> > > > Sheesh, this whole EtG thing has me so paranoid! Used to be my> > > main> > > > worry about the tests was coming up with the cash to pay for> > them.> > > > That supposed positive over a year ago has turned me into a> > > complete> > > > nervous wreck every time my number comes up. Staying sober is a> > > piece> > > > of cake, compared to staying sane...> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 if you do not have a creatinine number the EtG number has no scientific validity whatsoever,lb...regards,r lilibit007@... wrote: yes I have some of the reports and I see no mention..don't they measure that when you pee..if that's the case they have NOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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