Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous ..............please tell us what they are doing ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous ..............please tell us what they > are doing ???? > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like there's something changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I promise to post as soon as I know anything for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Thanks Amy....I believe there is also! Who is your case manager. I am not sure how they will deal with those of us 'already affected by this'!!! I know they are writing up a new ajudication and order for my case but will also NOT give any idea of what it will be. I can't imagine they will ignore the SAMHSA advisory!!! >> Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous ..............please tell us what they > are doing ????>My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like there's something changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I promise to post as soon as I know anything for sure. Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 I haven't heard anything from ca brn. My case manager still acts like she never even heard of the advisory. Has any one heard anything from ca --- N <nautiques5@...> wrote: > Thanks Amy....I believe there is also! Who is your > case manager. I am not sure how they will deal with > those of us 'already affected by this'!!! I know > they are writing up a new ajudication and order for > my case but will also NOT give any idea of what it > will be. I can't imagine they will ignore the > SAMHSA advisory!!! > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > ..............please tell us > what they > > are doing ???? > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > there's something > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > promise to post as > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new .com __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 I haven't heard anything at all--I don't think my probtion monitor knows what to say.I am in CA too. Are you on probation with the BRN or with Maximus and their lovely program? Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: I haven't heard anything from ca brn. My case managerstill acts like she never even heard of the advisory.Has any one heard anything from ca--- N <nautiques5 > wrote:> Thanks Amy....I believe there is also! Who is your> case manager. I am not sure how they will deal with> those of us 'already affected by this'!!! I know> they are writing up a new ajudication and order for> my case but will also NOT give any idea of what it> will be. I can't imagine they will ignore the> SAMHSA advisory!!! > > > >> > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous> ..............please tell us > what they > > are doing ????> >> My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like> there's something > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I> promise to post as > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Get your email and more, right on the new .com__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I haven't heard anything at all either from CA/ Maximus, but I know that they have recieved MULTIPLE copies of the advisory...I have my DEC in 32 frickin days, I am hoping to find out something when I can actually SPEAK to my DEC people; Okay guys, don't freak out, but one of my friends in nurse support group tested + for the FIFTH time since May, (low level, in the 300's or 200's) and a " fill in " CM that was " covering " for the reg. useless one, called her and was very nasty, and was like, " why haven't you been suspended from work yet? I can't believe that, you've obviously been drinking... " And when my friend started to mention the advisory she was very quick to say, " well this is the test they are using, and they are going to keep using it so you better get just over it, etc, " REALLY nasty. HOWEVER, after the CM talked with her DEC consultant, the CM called her back and disappointedly told her, AGAIN that " they say that if you get another one we are going to consider it a relapse, " (like oops, I'm sorry, I'll JUST STOP DOING THAT...), and she has still ALWAYS been allowed to work, etc. So while this IS NOT FAIR, as she has not really been penalized at all, and clearly others have, HARSHLY, it shows me that SOMEBODY knows SOMETHING (and of course that their system is TOTALLY f**k*d...); I don't know why they just have you on a skewer over the fire...Its really is still just unbelievabale to me. When the wave of justice comes rolling around, remember those cases like my friend's, cause while (squeeky voice) " everybody's program is different, and you can't compare the decisions the DEC makes, BLAH BLAH BLAH, " there is CLEARLY a serious LACK of standard that they go by, and it does NOT seem fair or JUST, or LEGAL(!) to REAM someone repeatedly, and then let someone else go multiple times for the same offense...(It SICKENS ME, as does Maximus, I NEVER thought even a government program could be SO POORLY RUN, but what was I thinking??) , when is your next DEC? I have discussed this group and the stories with my diversion friend and she knows that if she were in most other states, as she says, " she'd be toast... " She knows that certainly if she were in PA, she'd probably have her license permanently revolked, FOREVER, end of story... Gratefully, Amy (Robin, thanks for the feedback on MY paranoia with the vits...) > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > ..............please tell us > > what they > > > are doing ???? > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > there's something > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > promise to post as > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I am THRILLED though to hear that the PA board might be STARTING to pull its head out of its butt, GOOD LUCK GUYS...I eagerly await further good news on this... Amy > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > ..............please tell us > > what they > > > are doing ???? > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > there's something > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > promise to post as > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I am with maximus, I am worried I might have to go the probation route. How long does it take for probation to start? Any one from ca left diversion then to probation? --- Alynn Babcock <carolandalynn@...> wrote: > I haven't heard anything at all--I don't think my > probtion monitor knows what to say.I am in CA too. > Are you on probation with the BRN or with Maximus > and their lovely program? > > Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: > I haven't heard anything from ca brn. My case > manager > still acts like she never even heard of the > advisory. > Has any one heard anything from ca > > > --- N <nautiques5@...> wrote: > > > Thanks Amy....I believe there is also! Who is your > > case manager. I am not sure how they will deal > with > > those of us 'already affected by this'!!! I know > > they are writing up a new ajudication and order > for > > my case but will also NOT give any idea of what it > > will be. I can't imagine they will ignore the > > SAMHSA advisory!!! > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > ..............please tell us > > what they > > > are doing ???? > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > there's something > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > promise to post as > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your email and more, right on the new > .com > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 My next dec is nov 30th. I just wait day to day week to week waiting for my test results. I this time I am waiting for 3 outstanding test results. --- amykellog <amykellog@...> wrote: > I haven't heard anything at all either from CA/ > Maximus, but I know that they have > recieved MULTIPLE copies of the advisory...I have my > DEC in 32 frickin days, I am hoping > to find out something when I can actually SPEAK to > my DEC people; Okay guys, don't freak > out, but one of my friends in nurse support group > tested + for the FIFTH time since May, > (low level, in the 300's or 200's) and a " fill in " > CM that was " covering " for the reg. useless > one, called her and was very nasty, and was like, > " why haven't you been suspended from > work yet? I can't believe that, you've obviously > been drinking... " And when my friend > started to mention the advisory she was very quick > to say, " well this is the test they are > using, and they are going to keep using it so you > better get just over it, etc, " REALLY > nasty. HOWEVER, after the CM talked with her DEC > consultant, the CM called her back and > disappointedly told her, AGAIN that " they say that > if you get another one we are going to > consider it a relapse, " (like oops, I'm sorry, I'll > JUST STOP DOING THAT...), and she has still > ALWAYS been allowed to work, etc. So while this IS > NOT FAIR, as she has not really been > penalized at all, and clearly others have, HARSHLY, > it shows me that SOMEBODY knows > SOMETHING (and of course that their system is > TOTALLY f**k*d...); I don't know why they > just have you on a skewer over the fire...Its > really is still just unbelievabale to me. > When the wave of justice comes rolling around, > remember those cases like my friend's, > cause while (squeeky voice) " everybody's program is > different, and you can't compare the > decisions the DEC makes, BLAH BLAH BLAH, " there is > CLEARLY a serious LACK of standard > that they go by, and it does NOT seem fair or JUST, > or LEGAL(!) to REAM someone > repeatedly, and then let someone else go multiple > times for the same offense...(It SICKENS > ME, as does Maximus, I NEVER thought even a > government program could be SO POORLY > RUN, but what was I thinking??) , when is your > next DEC? I have discussed this group > and the stories with my diversion friend and she > knows that if she were in most other > states, as she says, " she'd be toast... " She knows > that certainly if she were in PA, she'd > probably have her license permanently revolked, > FOREVER, end of story... > > Gratefully, Amy > > (Robin, thanks for the feedback on MY paranoia with > the vits...) > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > ..............please tell us > > > what they > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > > there's something > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > > promise to post as > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > .com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 , I'm from CA and left Diversion in Aug 04 and just started probation in July 06. It usually takes about 2 years and your license is free and clear & you are able to work during that time. Dani Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: I am with maximus, I am worried I might have to go theprobation route. How long does it take for probationto start? Any one from ca left diversion then toprobation?--- Alynn Babcock <carolandalynnsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:> I haven't heard anything at all--I don't think my> probtion monitor knows what to say.I am in CA too.> Are you on probation with the BRN or with Maximus> and their lovely program? > > Hartman <jhartman32001 > wrote: > I haven't heard anything from ca brn. My case> manager> still acts like she never even heard of the> advisory.> Has any one heard anything from ca> > > --- N <nautiques5 > wrote:> > > Thanks Amy....I believe there is also! Who is your> > case manager. I am not sure how they will deal> with> > those of us 'already affected by this'!!! I know> > they are writing up a new ajudication and order> for> > my case but will also NOT give any idea of what it> > will be. I can't imagine they will ignore the> > SAMHSA advisory!!! > > > > > > >> > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous> > ..............please tell us > > what they > > > are doing ????> > >> > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like> > there's something > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I> > promise to post as > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Get your email and more, right on the new> .com> > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 1/2 of the time I think they are trying to help us relapse!! Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: My next dec is nov 30th. I just wait day to day weekto week waiting for my test results. I this time I amwaiting for 3 outstanding test results.--- amykellog <amykellog > wrote:> I haven't heard anything at all either from CA/> Maximus, but I know that they have > recieved MULTIPLE copies of the advisory...I have my> DEC in 32 frickin days, I am hoping > to find out something when I can actually SPEAK to> my DEC people; Okay guys, don't freak > out, but one of my friends in nurse support group> tested + for the FIFTH time since May, > (low level, in the 300's or 200's) and a "fill in"> CM that was "covering" for the reg. useless > one, called her and was very nasty, and was like,> "why haven't you been suspended from > work yet? I can't believe that, you've obviously> been drinking..." And when my friend > started to mention the advisory she was very quick> to say, "well this is the test they are > using, and they are going to keep using it so you> better get just over it, etc," REALLY > nasty. HOWEVER, after the CM talked with her DEC> consultant, the CM called her back and > disappointedly told her, AGAIN that "they say that> if you get another one we are going to > consider it a relapse," (like oops, I'm sorry, I'll> JUST STOP DOING THAT...), and she has still > ALWAYS been allowed to work, etc. So while this IS> NOT FAIR, as she has not really been > penalized at all, and clearly others have, HARSHLY,> it shows me that SOMEBODY knows > SOMETHING (and of course that their system is> TOTALLY f**k*d...); I don't know why they > just have you on a skewer over the fire...Its> really is still just unbelievabale to me. > When the wave of justice comes rolling around,> remember those cases like my friend's, > cause while (squeeky voice) "everybody's program is> different, and you can't compare the > decisions the DEC makes, BLAH BLAH BLAH," there is> CLEARLY a serious LACK of standard > that they go by, and it does NOT seem fair or JUST,> or LEGAL(!) to REAM someone > repeatedly, and then let someone else go multiple> times for the same offense...(It SICKENS > ME, as does Maximus, I NEVER thought even a> government program could be SO POORLY > RUN, but what was I thinking??) , when is your> next DEC? I have discussed this group > and the stories with my diversion friend and she> knows that if she were in most other > states, as she says, "she'd be toast..." She knows> that certainly if she were in PA, she'd > probably have her license permanently revolked,> FOREVER, end of story...> > Gratefully, Amy> > (Robin, thanks for the feedback on MY paranoia with> the vits...)> > > > > >> > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous> > > ..............please tell us > > > what they > > > > are doing ????> > > >> > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like> > > there's something > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I> > > promise to post as > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Get your email and more, right on the new> .com> > > > __________________________________________________> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 thanks for the info. It makes me think I should do anything to stay in diversion. My husband retires in 2.5 years from now and we are suppose to move to florida. We already have our house in florida, and we sold our house here in ca. We are moving in to my moms house next month. My husband is having difficulties with this whole diversion process and states he is going to florida, as planned. If this etg issue hadn't happen I would stay in ca for another year or 2 after he moves to florida. After reading your post I would be stuck in ca for at least 5 years. I don't know what to do, at this point I am trying to stick it out with diversion. -- - In Ethylglucuronide , le Glenn <rndani@...> wrote: > > , > I'm from CA and left Diversion in Aug 04 and just started probation in July 06. It usually takes about 2 years and your license is free and clear & you are able to work during that time. > Dani > > Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: > I am with maximus, I am worried I might have to go the > probation route. How long does it take for probation > to start? Any one from ca left diversion then to > probation? > > > --- Alynn Babcock <carolandalynn@...> wrote: > > > I haven't heard anything at all--I don't think my > > probtion monitor knows what to say.I am in CA too. > > Are you on probation with the BRN or with Maximus > > and their lovely program? > > > > Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: > > I haven't heard anything from ca brn. My case > > manager > > still acts like she never even heard of the > > advisory. > > Has any one heard anything from ca > > > > > > --- N <nautiques5@...> wrote: > > > > > Thanks Amy....I believe there is also! Who is your > > > case manager. I am not sure how they will deal > > with > > > those of us 'already affected by this'!!! I know > > > they are writing up a new ajudication and order > > for > > > my case but will also NOT give any idea of what it > > > will be. I can't imagine they will ignore the > > > SAMHSA advisory!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > ..............please tell us > > > what they > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > > there's something > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > > promise to post as > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > .com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Jees , and I stress on even when I wait one at a time!!! I feel for you! Isn't that SOOO sad that we have to stress EVERY time like this AS IF we had been drinking...That is SOOO pathetic to KNOW that you have been sober yet still have to fear contantly that you will be accussed of and treated like you were drinking. I know of a couple people that couldn't hang with diversion, and then later went to probation, (though they really couldn't stay sober), and from what I remember, they just quit (or were kicked out of diversion), and then went back to work and just waited for the state to catch up with them; I think it took at least about a year; I don't know that your solution would be to opt for probation though; Don't give up quite yet with Maximus, even though they SUCK a**, cause from what I've heard probation isn't much better, and if they also use etg, then you're still gonna have issues if this keeps happening. And at least Maximus TELLS you when you have a positive; One woman I know went to her probation meeting after not seeing them in a while, and they informed her THEN that she had had FOUR possitive tests, starting like 9 months back, and here she was thinking everything was fine...(though I don't remember if there were any consequences...) At least your DEC is coming up soon, and one way or the other you will hopefully find out WHAT the bleep is going on, and what the plan is going to be; BTW, what happened with that inpatient rehab they wanted you to go to? Are you still doing the outpatient one? Did they harass you about not doing the inpatient? (unless you are there now!!) Gratefully, Amy in CA > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > what they > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > > > there's something > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > > > promise to post as > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > .com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I agree, if any one of their " addiction/ recovery specialist " know-it-all as*ho*es thought about this for a SECOND, it might occur to them that their behavior is really ENCOURAGING and pushing people TOWARD relapse; This could actually be a way for them to weed out the weaker " dangling by a thread ones, " like, " let's just see how they react if we throw a little WRENCH IN THEIR WHEEL!!! " If anything, we who have been falsely accussed and DO stay sober are truly examples of those with stronger programs than MANY that they " oversee... " I am not being arrogant, I just know that this experience for me has been the most traumatic and stressful and upsetting one yet in my recovery, and I am pretty impressed with myself that I have NOT considered relapse as an option, SO FAR...You know another thing that gets my goat, is that I know 2 people specifically that DID relapse DURING the program, and they just scooted by under the radar, and got out with NO PROBLEM... So they think their program has so much integrity and is so much stronger by etg? They are so f*ck*ng deluded... Gratefully, Amy in CA > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > what they > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > > > there's something > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > > > promise to post as > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > .com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I am in iop out patient rehab. Actually I really like it, they are very supportive during a difficult time. They will make me go to in patient only if I have another positive etg. I am in school full time to finish my bsn. So I hope there are not any changes until I can finish this semester, 1 more month. --- amykellog <amykellog@...> wrote: > Jees , and I stress on even when I wait one at > a time!!! I feel for you! Isn't that SOOO > sad that we have to stress EVERY time like this AS > IF we had been drinking...That is SOOO > pathetic to KNOW that you have been sober yet still > have to fear contantly that you will be > accussed of and treated like you were drinking. > > I know of a couple people that couldn't hang with > diversion, and then later went to > probation, (though they really couldn't stay sober), > and from what I remember, they just > quit (or were kicked out of diversion), and then > went back to work and just waited for the > state to catch up with them; I think it took at > least about a year; > > I don't know that your solution would be to opt for > probation though; Don't give up quite > yet with Maximus, even though they SUCK a**, cause > from what I've heard probation isn't > much better, and if they also use etg, then you're > still gonna have issues if this keeps > happening. And at least Maximus TELLS you when you > have a positive; One woman I > know went to her probation meeting after not seeing > them in a while, and they informed > her THEN that she had had FOUR possitive tests, > starting like 9 months back, and here she > was thinking everything was fine...(though I don't > remember if there were any > consequences...) > > At least your DEC is coming up soon, and one way or > the other you will hopefully find out > WHAT the bleep is going on, and what the plan is > going to be; BTW, what happened with > that inpatient rehab they wanted you to go to? Are > you still doing the outpatient one? Did > they harass you about not doing the inpatient? > (unless you are there now!!) > > Gratefully, Amy in CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > > what they > > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds > like > > > > > there's something > > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG > mess. I > > > > > promise to post as > > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > > .com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 If I'm not mistaken, I think you can start diversion over in another state, IF THEY HAVE a diversion program, obviously I know nothing about Florida. One girl new to our group just relocated out here to CA from Virginia, where she had like one year left, but HAD to move cause of her hubby, and she just started over...(Come to think of it, it might have been probation, but either way...). Since you aren't that far into it, may be something to consider... Gratefully, Amy > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > what they > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > > > there's something > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > > > promise to post as > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > > .com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 maximus, said that only happens if you are near the end of their program. They would not release me now. I am wondering if the girl in your group is in diversion or probation. I think I would rather finish in the other state, compared to 3-5 extra years. --- amykellog <amykellog@...> wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, I think you can start diversion > over in another state, IF THEY HAVE a > diversion program, obviously I know nothing about > Florida. One girl new to our group just > relocated out here to CA from Virginia, where she > had like one year left, but HAD to move > cause of her hubby, and she just started > over...(Come to think of it, it might have been > probation, but either way...). Since you aren't > that far into it, may be something to > consider... > > Gratefully, Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > > what they > > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds > like > > > > > there's something > > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG > mess. I > > > > > promise to post as > > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > > > .com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 ---Just another example of the Quack Medicine called addiction treatment. The Charlatans and the Shills are at it again. You don't need stupid outpatient trickement let alone inpatient. But wait! Ah, it isn't really about not drinking, is it? Its all about re-education in the recovery gulag. What are the quacks treating you for? They know you didn't drink so what is their reasoning for charging you for religious conversion? What a crock of shit. In Ethylglucuronide , Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: > > I am in iop out patient rehab. Actually I really like > it, they are very supportive during a difficult time. > They will make me go to in patient only if I have > another positive etg. I am in school full time to > finish my bsn. So I hope there are not any changes > until I can finish this semester, 1 more month. > > > --- amykellog <amykellog@...> wrote: > > > Jees , and I stress on even when I wait one at > > a time!!! I feel for you! Isn't that SOOO > > sad that we have to stress EVERY time like this AS > > IF we had been drinking...That is SOOO > > pathetic to KNOW that you have been sober yet still > > have to fear contantly that you will be > > accussed of and treated like you were drinking. > > > > I know of a couple people that couldn't hang with > > diversion, and then later went to > > probation, (though they really couldn't stay sober), > > and from what I remember, they just > > quit (or were kicked out of diversion), and then > > went back to work and just waited for the > > state to catch up with them; I think it took at > > least about a year; > > > > I don't know that your solution would be to opt for > > probation though; Don't give up quite > > yet with Maximus, even though they SUCK a**, cause > > from what I've heard probation isn't > > much better, and if they also use etg, then you're > > still gonna have issues if this keeps > > happening. And at least Maximus TELLS you when you > > have a positive; One woman I > > know went to her probation meeting after not seeing > > them in a while, and they informed > > her THEN that she had had FOUR possitive tests, > > starting like 9 months back, and here she > > was thinking everything was fine...(though I don't > > remember if there were any > > consequences...) > > > > At least your DEC is coming up soon, and one way or > > the other you will hopefully find out > > WHAT the bleep is going on, and what the plan is > > going to be; BTW, what happened with > > that inpatient rehab they wanted you to go to? Are > > you still doing the outpatient one? Did > > they harass you about not doing the inpatient? > > (unless you are there now!!) > > > > Gratefully, Amy in CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > > > what they > > > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds > > like > > > > > > there's something > > > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG > > mess. I > > > > > > promise to post as > > > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > > > .com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Yea, I think she IS in probation. And really, if you are going to quit diversion and go to probation anyway, I don't know why you couldn't just tell Maximus to go " piss off " and start it in another state...And Maximus, " RELEASING you? " OOOuuuhh I'm scarrred!!! They don't have to " release " you unless you were trying to do " diversion " somewhere else; There is NOTHING they could do to interfere with you getting into a probation program in Florida. They are SOOO full of it, it makes me SICK. I'm not saying just up and quit diversion right now, but these are ALL options for you...I'm glad you like your IOP, and damn girl, school too? You must like a challenge...I hope your tests are all okay. Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > > > what they > > > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds > > like > > > > > > there's something > > > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG > > mess. I > > > > > > promise to post as > > > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > > > > .com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 --- Amy, have you considered that those who quit their diversion and drank did so because they just didn't want to play the game any longer? Perhaps they did a cost benefit analysis and discovered the cost of the bullshit brainwashing just wasn't worth it? And how does one have a " stronger program " ? What is the criteria for a " stronger program " ? Perhaps they got tired of the witch hunt. I suspect " the program " didn't have diddley squat to do with anything, other than driving them fucking nuts! In Ethylglucuronide , " amykellog " <amykellog@...> wrote: > > I agree, if any one of their " addiction/ recovery specialist " know- it-all as*ho*es thought > about this for a SECOND, it might occur to them that their behavior is really > ENCOURAGING and pushing people TOWARD relapse; This could actually be a way for > them to weed out the weaker " dangling by a thread ones, " like, " let's just see how they > react if we throw a little WRENCH IN THEIR WHEEL!!! " If anything, we who have been > falsely accussed and DO stay sober are truly examples of those with stronger programs > than MANY that they " oversee... " I am not being arrogant, I just know that this experience > for me has been the most traumatic and stressful and upsetting one yet in my recovery, > and I am pretty impressed with myself that I have NOT considered relapse as an option, SO > FAR...You know another thing that gets my goat, is that I know 2 people specifically that > DID relapse DURING the program, and they just scooted by under the radar, and got out > with NO PROBLEM... So they think their program has so much integrity and is so much > stronger by etg? They are so f*ck*ng deluded... > > Gratefully, Amy in CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > > what they > > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > > > > there's something > > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > > > > promise to post as > > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > > .com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 They actually drank, then quit...And I agree with you wholeheartedly; If I ddn't HOPEFULLY have only X amount of days left of this shit, then I really would be considering quitting, and it is a f*c*king witch hunt... (I read your post to my husband, and he goes, " yea, I could drink with her... " ) Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > > > what they > > > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like > > > > > > there's something > > > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I > > > > > > promise to post as > > > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new > > > > .com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Thanks, believe me I thought of going to another state. I would be able to work until ca probation would catch up to me and then the florida state board of nursing would be contacted. Im jsut screwed either way --- amykellog <amykellog@...> wrote: > Yea, I think she IS in probation. And really, if > you are going to quit diversion and go to > probation anyway, I don't know why you couldn't just > tell Maximus to go " piss off " and > start it in another state...And Maximus, " RELEASING > you? " OOOuuuhh I'm scarrred!!! They > don't have to " release " you unless you were trying > to do " diversion " somewhere else; > There is NOTHING they could do to interfere with you > getting into a probation program in > Florida. They are SOOO full of it, it makes me > SICK. I'm not saying just up and quit > diversion right now, but these are ALL options for > you...I'm glad you like your IOP, and > damn girl, school too? You must like a > challenge...I hope your tests are all okay. > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous > > > > > > > ..............please tell us > > > > > > > what they > > > > > > > > are doing ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just > sounds > > > like > > > > > > > there's something > > > > > > > changing with regards to this whole EtG > > > mess. I > > > > > > > promise to post as > > > > > > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the > new > > > > > > .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 > > If I'm not mistaken, I think you can start diversion over in another state, IF THEY HAVE a > diversion program, obviously I know nothing about Florida. I know several women here in Florida who are simultaneously in the IPN (Florida's Intervention Project for Nurses) and another state's diversion program. Yes, it can be done, but judging by these women's experience, I wouldn't care to do it myself. First, you really do have to start over - tacking on another five years to whatever time you've already put in. Second, you might have to participate in *both* programs at once! Double the random testing, double the expense (one woman I see regularly got hit five times last month, at $39-$78 a pop). And IPN obviously STILL hasn't gotten the word that the EtG is seriously flawed: flunk and that's automatically considered a relapse, at least by their local " famous Addictionologist " . Oh yeah, and if you " relapse " , that's an automatic referral to the BON for disciplinary action (my license was suspended). If I weren't so committed to getting my license back, there is NO WAY IN HELL I would get within a thousand miles of these jerks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 I am Diversion. I have heard others who switched to Probation say it took anywhere from 9 mos to 2 yrs, usually closer to 18 mos. Again, that's hearsay. Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: I am with maximus, I am worried I might have to go theprobation route. How long does it take for probationto start? Any one from ca left diversion then toprobation?--- Alynn Babcock <carolandalynnsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:> I haven't heard anything at all--I don't think my> probtion monitor knows what to say.I am in CA too.> Are you on probation with the BRN or with Maximus> and their lovely program? > > Hartman <jhartman32001 > wrote: > I haven't heard anything from ca brn. My case> manager> still acts like she never even heard of the> advisory.> Has any one heard anything from ca> > > --- N <nautiques5 > wrote:> > > Thanks Amy....I believe there is also! Who is your> > case manager. I am not sure how they will deal> with> > those of us 'already affected by this'!!! I know> > they are writing up a new ajudication and order> for> > my case but will also NOT give any idea of what it> > will be. I can't imagine they will ignore the> > SAMHSA advisory!!! > > > > > > >> > > Hey !!!!!!!!that's WAY too ambiguous> > ..............please tell us > > what they > > > are doing ????> > >> > My CM wouldn't be specific - it just sounds like> > there's something > > changing with regards to this whole EtG mess. I> > promise to post as > > soon as I know anything for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Get your email and more, right on the new> .com> > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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