Abstract Theories of Justice

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Hi everybody! I just caught up on a few days worth of posts. Boy, I do admire you guys who earnestly continue exploring and explaining, while we just go around in CIRCLES.Robin, was it you who mentioned "better to let 10 guilty men go free than to hang 1 innocent man?" or something like it-- I have been beating THAT particular dead horse for over a year. Apparently, no it AINT. I just found out that a nurse in my former NSG was restarted at the beginning-after 29 months-for an ETG under 500. I don't know her, her record of compliance, or exactly what the level was-this is all third hand hearsay--but I do find it disturbing. We all had such high hopes after seeing that psychiatrist ( from the California DEC) at the ASAM conference. At the moment I am a deflated balloon. But it is temporary, I assure you. Anyone that has success in getting a lawyer to start (or even show interest in starting) a class- action lawsuit, COUNT ME IN. I know I'm not the only one either.~~~~~Keepin the Flippin' Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Eva

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What's up with these people of course you are angry and resentful we all are...the addiction philosophy is a bunch of bullshit!!! Lay down and let people walk all over you then you achieve serenity!!!

And what science is she talking about? The limited studies that only prove that EtG is present in the presence of alcohol, there are no definitive studies on where that alcohol came from or how much you are exposed to and the route..I can go on and on but you guys already know all this stuff..I wish I didn't read this post because the little bit of serenity I had left just flew out the window.

OH I love "be more careful" Thanks what great advice...I'm steaming!!!!!!

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Hi Eva,

Went round and round today with trying to set up a random testing program that the board might find suitable to prove I'm sober. Seems only EtG is acceptable. Spoke with my former therapist who says a level over 250 could only be from drinking and as much as she'd like to believe I didn't drink, the science says otherwise. I asked her how, then, it was possible for me to have a level of 1680 in rehab (along with the other 13 positive EtGs) from using Purell. She said (1) Don't use Purell--Be more careful, and (2) I need to get on observed Antabuse in addn to EtG, so I've got the appt to get the script next week. Goes against my whole philosophy of not putting unnecessary foreign substances into my body, but what the hell.

Also spoke at length with an addictionologist, who says I'm angry and resentful and lack the proper serenity found in recovery...Go figure! Guess I am really one big MESS!! I sure do know how to do everything all wrong. Excuse the rant.

Lorie

Abstract Theories of Justice

Hi everybody! I just caught up on a few days worth of posts. Boy, I do admire you guys who earnestly continue exploring and explaining, while we just go around in CIRCLES.Robin, was it you who mentioned "better to let 10 guilty men go free than to hang 1 innocent man?" or something like it-- I have been beating THAT particular dead horse for over a year. Apparently, no it AINT. I just found out that a nurse in my former NSG was restarted at the beginning-after 29 months-for an ETG under 500. I don't know her, her record of compliance, or exactly what the level was-this is all third hand hearsay--but I do find it disturbing. We all had such high hopes after seeing that psychiatrist ( from the California DEC) at the ASAM conference. At the moment I am a deflated balloon. But it is temporary, I assure you. Anyone that has success in getting a lawyer to start (or even show interest in starting) a class- action lawsuit, COUNT ME IN. I know I'm not the only one either.~~~~~Keepin the Flippin' Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Eva

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Know what? I try to give respect and consideration to every single post on this site. I'm in a piss poor mood and find most everything you say offensive and stupid. Are you trying to be sarcastic, demean us, insult our intelligence...Just what is your point? I don't need the insults. No, I don't drink and was very diligent in watching my diet, and the positives didn't stop for me. Don't believe me? I don't care. As for your "secret"...again, insulting and demeaning. I don't find any of this funny. Are you sure you stopped drinking?

Lorie

>> The first step is to admit you are powerless over alcohol. When we stop > drinking, we stop having positive ETG"s. Then it all becomes easy. I find what > works with my Board is I don't drink anymore.... and so the testing is > therefore negative,.... and then I don't have a positive ETG,.... and then I don't > have to worry about PURELL handsoap or hairspray (unless I am drinking it.)> > But: here's the secret... you can still drink if you do so by taking: two > soy estrogen tablets, a lactobacillus pill, mixed together with two parts > pickle juice and one part eye of newt.> That's it... that's what everyone wants right? good luck!>

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Actually Lorie, what I see on this site is frequently poor insight and denial. Now respect....I have, because I've been in the same situation as many of you and even testing, itself, is a big pain in the ass,... but those proffessional boards are there to protect the public.. not us ..and you can understand why that needs to be done can't you?

Look even in your case..., because I've been watching for a while,... you may not have intentionally drank but you got a good amount of alcohol somewhere and... no, let's be honest....soaps and hairsprays are not enough.

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Bravo, Lorie. I also was insulted by the post. Lorie <lorieg@...> wrote: Know what? I try to give respect and consideration to every single post on this site. I'm in a piss poor mood and find most everything you say offensive and stupid. Are you trying to be sarcastic, demean us, insult our intelligence...Just what is your point? I don't need the insults. No, I don't drink and was very diligent in watching my diet, and the positives didn't stop for me. Don't believe me? I don't care. As for

your "secret"...again, insulting and demeaning. I don't find any of this funny. Are you sure you stopped drinking? Lorie >> The first step is to admit you are powerless over alcohol. When we stop > drinking, we stop having positive ETG"s. Then it all becomes easy. I find what > works with my Board is I don't drink anymore.... and so the testing is > therefore negative,.... and then I don't have a positive ETG,.... and then I don't > have to worry about PURELL handsoap or hairspray (unless I am drinking it.)> > But: here's the secret... you can still drink if you do so by taking: two > soy estrogen tablets, a lactobacillus pill, mixed together with two parts > pickle juice and one part eye of newt.> That's it... that's what everyone wants right? good luck!>

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"you got a good amount of alcohol somewhere and... no, let's be honest....soaps and hairsprays are not enough."

You seem to have some keen insight! Since I'm in denial and lack insight, maybe you can help me out with some answers:

What amount of alcohol does my level represent?

What was my normalized level?

Why was my retest 21% of the original value?

Where is a comprehensive list of all ethanol containing items to avoid?

Where are the studies that establish 100ng/ml as the cutoff between incidental alcohol exposure and alcoholic beverage consumption?

Where are the published studies on the effect of medications, gender, endogenous alcohol production, and individual variations in metabolism on EtG levels?

How'd I get the 1680 level in rehab? And the 440, 770, 270 and 900? I was searched and observed and didn't drink the Purell.

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Actually Lorie, what I see on this site is frequently poor insight and denial. Now respect....I have, because I've been in the same situation as many of you and even testing, itself, is a big pain in the ass,... but those proffessional boards are there to protect the public.. not us ..and you can understand why that needs to be done can't you?

Look even in your case..., because I've been watching for a while,... you may not have intentionally drank but you got a good amount of alcohol somewhere and... no, let's be honest....soaps and hairsprays are not enough.

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--- Ah Lorie, just consider the source. drbobperry is just another

brainwashed stepper full of " recovery lovin " for his/her fellow

drunks and junkies. Since I am an excellent profiler, here is my

take on things. drbobperry wants people to admit they are powerless

and frequent the cult/freak show on a regular basis to give him/her

more people to choose from.

If drbobperry is a man, the only place he can find someone to play

with his little limp dick is in the rewms. Those people will screw

anybody. Even a little impotent man.

If drbobperry is a woman, there is no dobut she is fat and ugly.

Therefore, the only way she can find someone with enough time on

their hands to wade through her fat rolls and yeast to screw her is

in the rewms.

I know ya'll hate me, but I believe every word ya'll say about these

false positives. This is a prime example of your pious " recovery

brethern " and what they think about you.

Lorie, you wondered if drbobperry is still drinking. Well, HELL

YEAH!!! How do I know??? Well, that little secret concoction

he/she posted is the real deal!!!! I'm the one who invented it!!!!

So if he/she knows the formula, well then.................

Love Madison

In Ethylglucuronide-EtG , " Lorie " <lorieg@...> wrote:

>

>

> Know what? I try to give respect and consideration to every single

post

> on this site. I'm in a piss poor mood and find most everything you

say

> offensive and stupid. Are you trying to be sarcastic, demean us,

insult

> our intelligence...Just what is your point? I don't need the

insults.

> No, I don't drink and was very diligent in watching my diet, and

the

> positives didn't stop for me. Don't believe me? I don't care. As

for

> your " secret " ...again, insulting and demeaning. I don't find any

of this

> funny. Are you sure you stopped drinking?

>

> Lorie

>

>

>

>

> >

> > The first step is to admit you are powerless over alcohol. When

we

> stop

> > drinking, we stop having positive ETG " s. Then it all becomes

easy. I

> find what

> > works with my Board is I don't drink anymore.... and so the

testing is

> > therefore negative,.... and then I don't have a positive

ETG,.... and

> then I don't

> > have to worry about PURELL handsoap or hairspray (unless I am

drinking

> it.)

> >

> > But: here's the secret... you can still drink if you do so by

taking:

> two

> > soy estrogen tablets, a lactobacillus pill, mixed together with

two

> parts

> > pickle juice and one part eye of newt.

> > That's it... that's what everyone wants right? good luck!

> >

>

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You appear to consider yourself an expert in this field, since you are

able to diagnosis denial and obviously know what can and cannot cause

positive Etg's. Would you please enlighten the group then on those

things? Please tell us HOW MANY applications of purell can be used and

not cause a positive, how far from the nose and mouth must one hold

their hands when applying. How many 'non-alcoholic' drinks and foods

(I am not talking non-alcoholic beers, rather fruit juices and those

with alcohol added as solvents at the same amount as 'non-alcoholic

beer)can be consumed before a positive is obtained (we know that non-

alcoholic beer in certain amounts CAN cause a positive). How much

vanilla can you add in uncooked puddings to remain negative? How

many 'non-labeled' products can you consume containing small amounts of

alcohol before turning positive? How much ripe fruit or Chinese food

can safely bee consumed? Is it safe to pump gas with ethanol additive?

How about cleaning with alcohol containing cleaning products? I would

assume you KNOW the answers to these questions and can report these

answers according to the 'normal producer', as well as the 'hyper-

producer' of Etg. Also, please respond the differences of these

according to male/female, those with estrogen replacement and those who

take daily tylenol. I am so pleased you are sp knowledgable and will

be able to provide us with all the information we have been searching

for. Obviously you know the answers to these since you have stated

what does NOT cause a positive, please share. Thanks.

>

> Actually Lorie, what I see on this site is frequently poor insight

and

> denial. Now respect....I have, because I've been in the same

situation as many

> of you and even testing, itself, is a big pain in the ass,... but

those

> proffessional boards are there to protect the public.. not us ..and

you can

> understand why that needs to be done can't you?

> Look even in your case..., because I've been watching for a while,...

you

> may not have intentionally drank but you got a good amount of alcohol

somewhere

> and... no, let's be honest....soaps and hairsprays are not enough.

>

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Austin/Arthur is that you???? Re: Re: Abstract Theories of Justice

Bravo, Lorie. I also was insulted by the post. Lorie <lorieg@...> wrote:

Know what? I try to give respect and consideration to every single post on this site. I'm in a piss poor mood and find most everything you say offensive and stupid. Are you trying to be sarcastic, demean us, insult our intelligence...Just what is your point? I don't need the insults. No, I don't drink and was very diligent in watching my diet, and the positives didn't stop for me. Don't believe me? I don't care. As for your "secret"...again, insulting and demeaning. I don't find any of this funny. Are you sure you stopped drinking?

Lorie

>> The first step is to admit you are powerless over alcohol. When we stop > drinking, we stop having positive ETG"s. Then it all becomes easy. I find what > works with my Board is I don't drink anymore.... and so the testing is > therefore negative,.... and then I don't have a positive ETG,.... and then I don't > have to worry about PURELL handsoap or hairspray (unless I am drinking it.)> > But: here's the secret... you can still drink if you do so by taking: two > soy estrogen tablets, a lactobacillus pill, mixed together with two parts > pickle juice and one part eye of newt.> That's it... that's what everyone wants right? good luck!>

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