Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 I'm so sorry to hear that 007! It is so sad that the judge was not more open to enlightment by the information that was provided to her. I do not know what to say but hang in there, and perhaps more will be revealed that will change your circumstances. Isanah > > My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the motion ,now > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship as > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY and > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough year > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being sober > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the right > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS AGAIN > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 hi lili...i am sad for your trouble and share your pain...nothing is certain or final in life but change...you are not alone...we are all imperfectly imperfect in many ways but may all share with each other with compassion,kindness,and love... intensify your program,keep on keepin' on,remember the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing...just do the next right thing and things will slowly get better one day at a time...the false insanity of this test will not persist...truth always will out..like i says more will be revealed....regards,r lftbhnd007 <lilibit007@...> wrote: My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the motion ,now my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship as reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY and the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough year and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being sober has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the right thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS AGAIN TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Never give up. The emphasis given to EtG testing indicating relapse, or even proof of abstinence, has numbered days. Seldom is the outcome of a controlled and randomized prospective study so predictable. I KNOW it, because I am living it as well. Real data refuting the commonly held and ignorant assumption that a positive EtG indicates consumption, and that a negative EtG indicates absence will be quantified and defined. You will have your day with respect to your EtG testing. In the meantime, live your recovery. Document it. Write age appropriate letters to your child and keep a journal for them to read when they are older. Sweep your side of the street. I will keep you in my prayers. I called the State Forensics physican you provided to me at the time I received the information. I provided my contact information in detail verbally and electronically. I did not receive a return communication. Dan Its too late for me My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the motion ,now my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship as reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY and the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough year and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being sober has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the right thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS AGAIN TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 007-- I am sorry to hear your news re: the decision re: reunification w/ your daughter. As addicts it seems we are good at black & white, all or nothing thinking. Though at this time you are separated from your daughter, there is no telling what the future holds in store where your relationship to her is concerned. Kids have a way of deciphering the truth as they grow & mature; no doubt your daughter knows her mother loves her, & believe me, that is not something she will ever forget. The path you are on has gotten you here. Stay on the path that is right for you & who knows where it will lead. Remember, your daughter has her own path. As others have said, keep on keepin' on. Dan's suggestion @ the letters & journal for your daughter are very insightful; having had periods in the past where for some reason or another 2 of my 3 sons chose to be estranged from me was beyond painful, 1 out of contact for nearly a year, the other out of contact for nearly 3 years. Through all those years I periodically sent cards & letters; both of them told me after they worked things through that the correspondence meant alot, & in fact, they still have it. Even though today we have largely healed the past I continue to send cards & letters---it is a concrete connection for us all, now & in the future. A few words on a card can speak volumes. Staying connected in whatever ways you can & getting on with your own life are the best things you can do for your relationship with your daughter & most importantly for yourself. Remember, YOU matter. Times change, things change, people change. Have faith. Peace, Marsha lftbhnd007 <lilibit007@...> wrote: My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the motion ,now my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship as reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY and the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough year and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being sober has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the right thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS AGAIN TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 I don't post here much, I am a friend of Tina who was in the WSJ. Her, & Lorie (whom you all know) went to the national advisory metting in DC today. Tina had some very happy news! So be expecting it to flood the forum in the next few days. And just wanted to say for everybody here, to continue holding on a bit longer, your time is coming. > My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the motion ,now > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship as > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY and > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough year > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being sober > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the right > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS AGAIN > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Let me reiterate what said: there is good news so HANG IN & HANG ON. Lorie will apprise everyone after she returns home later this week. <wheelofadeal@...> wrote: I don't post here much, I am a friend of Tina who was in the WSJ. Her, & Lorie (whom you all know) went to the national advisory metting in DC today. Tina had some very happy news! So be expecting it to flood the forum in the next few days. And just wanted to say for everybody here, to continue holding on a bit longer, your time is coming.> My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the motion ,now > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship as > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY and > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough year > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being sober > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the right > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS AGAIN > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE.> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business.> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 A cliff hanger..........can't wait to hear the happy news! Welcome back to this forum. I hope you continue to join us, there are some really awesome people here on this forum. Isanah > > My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to > the WSJ and > > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the > motion ,now > > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful > relationship as > > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only > where > > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY > and > > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough > year > > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being > sober > > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if > I > > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the > right > > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS > AGAIN > > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. > Small Business. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Yes, thanks for the correction. > > My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to > the WSJ and > > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the > motion ,now > > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful > relationship as > > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only > where > > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY > and > > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough > year > > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being > sober > > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if > I > > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the > right > > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS > AGAIN > > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. > Small Business. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 ok heres the permanancy order from the judge bear with me as i dont do paragraphs The threshold issue to the reunification of and her mother has always been and continues to be Ms.Ianninis alcohol abuse. the court relies heavily on the random drug?alcohol screens conducted by DCYF . Ms Iannini has consistentenly indicated to the court that she has ben substance free . The court has been skeptical of this ,and the courts skepticsm is reinforcerced by the continued positive alcohol screens.And what apears to be avoidance of screens { i posted that I sent a letter to all that I would NOT do ETG in may i ALSO SAID i WOULD DO ANY THING BUT etg} MS IANNINI HERSELF AND THRU COUNSEL HAS RAISED THE VALIDITY OF THESE SCREENS. , the court relies heavily on the results of these screens,The court suggested DR Wagner from the states forensic labs.The court is well aware of his credentials ,backround and areas of expertise. The court also beleived that he is not involved in the screens in DCYF cases as they are sent to an independant lab {first lab NWT} Dr Wagners comments as to the valitity of the screens was forwarded to the court by letter of SW DCYF...with copies to all parties...There being no response {court appt lawyers eeshhh} reaffirms its previous findings that Ms Iannini HAS NOT BEEN SOBER and substance free ..Her lack of total sobriety has been and continues to be the obstacle preventing this case from moving forward toward to the previous goal of reunification..THATS ALL FOLKS so DAN does that tell you anything...ps been seeing a therapist to help me to unwind this ..so I can live again however there is a part of me that I cannot campartmentalize....THanks folks Im slipping again into piss poor thinking > > My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the motion ,now > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship as > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY and > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough year > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being sober > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the right > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS AGAIN > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 More than anything and ever before, hold it together. This EtG stuff has a momentum of it’s own. Leave it alone right now. Go take care of yourself. The best way to truly love another person is to take care of and honor yourself. Let this stuff go for now. Try to consider what God is asking of you, not doing to you. I’m so sorry. You are in my prayers. Dan Re: Its too late for me ok heres the permanancy order from the judge bear with me as i dont do paragraphs The threshold issue to the reunification of and her mother has always been and continues to be Ms.Ianninis alcohol abuse. the court relies heavily on the random drug?alcohol screens conducted by DCYF . Ms Iannini has consistentenly indicated to the court that she has ben substance free . The court has been skeptical of this ,and the courts skepticsm is reinforcerced by the continued positive alcohol screens.And what apears to be avoidance of screens { i posted that I sent a letter to all that I would NOT do ETG in may i ALSO SAID i WOULD DO ANY THING BUT etg} MS IANNINI HERSELF AND THRU COUNSEL HAS RAISED THE VALIDITY OF THESE SCREENS. , the court relies heavily on the results of these screens,The court suggested DR Wagner from the states forensic labs.The court is well aware of his credentials ,backround and areas of expertise. The court also beleived that he is not involved in the screens in DCYF cases as they are sent to an independant lab {first lab NWT} Dr Wagners comments as to the valitity of the screens was forwarded to the court by letter of SW DCYF...with copies to all parties...There being no response {court appt lawyers eeshhh} reaffirms its previous findings that Ms Iannini HAS NOT BEEN SOBER and substance free ..Her lack of total sobriety has been and continues to be the obstacle preventing this case from moving forward toward to the previous goal of reunification..THATS ALL FOLKS so DAN does that tell you anything...ps been seeing a therapist to help me to unwind this ..so I can live again however there is a part of me that I cannot campartmentalize....THanks folks Im slipping again into piss poor thinking > > My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the motion ,now > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship as > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY and > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough year > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being sober > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the right > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS AGAIN > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Best advice yet, it is not GOD screwing us, it is human it's greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 007: agree with Dan........prayers for you.....joy > > > > My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and > > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the > motion ,now > > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship > as > > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where > > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY > and > > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough > year > > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being > sober > > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I > > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the > right > > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS > AGAIN > > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 007, as the others have said, you are definately in my thoughts and prayers as well and I SO wish things were different for you, but hold on; I pray too that SAMHSA does what they said and that the " etg momentum of its own " that Dr. Dan referred to will quickly swing around and backfire into its own face...I am trying too to sit patiently in the shadows and wait for the frickin truth to come out, and my nerves are shot...But please take care of yourself, things WILL change...(even though I know that doesn't help for right now...) Amy -- In Ethylglucuronide , " lftbhnd007 " <lilibit007@...> wrote: > > ok heres the permanancy order from the judge bear with me as i > dont do paragraphs The threshold issue to the reunification of > and her mother has always been and continues to be > Ms.Ianninis alcohol abuse. the court relies heavily on the > random drug?alcohol screens conducted by DCYF . Ms Iannini has > consistentenly indicated to the court that she has ben substance > free . The court has been skeptical of this ,and the courts > skepticsm is reinforcerced by the continued positive alcohol > screens.And what apears to be avoidance of screens { i posted that I > sent a letter to all that I would NOT do ETG in may i ALSO SAID i > WOULD DO ANY THING BUT etg} MS IANNINI HERSELF AND THRU COUNSEL HAS > RAISED THE VALIDITY OF THESE SCREENS. , the court relies heavily on > the results of these screens,The court suggested DR Wagner from the > states forensic labs.The court is well aware of his > credentials ,backround and areas of expertise. The court also > beleived that he is not involved in the screens in DCYF cases as they > are sent to an independant lab {first lab NWT} Dr Wagners comments > as to the valitity of the screens was forwarded to the court by > letter of SW DCYF...with copies to all parties...There being no > response {court appt lawyers eeshhh} reaffirms its previous > findings that Ms Iannini HAS NOT BEEN SOBER and substance free ..Her > lack of total sobriety has been and continues to be the obstacle > preventing this case from moving forward toward to the previous goal > of reunification..THATS ALL FOLKS so DAN does that tell you > anything...ps been seeing a therapist to help me to unwind this ..so > I can live again however there is a part of me that I cannot > campartmentalize....THanks folks Im slipping again into piss poor > thinking > > > > My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and > > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the > motion ,now > > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship > as > > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where > > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY > and > > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough > year > > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being > sober > > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I > > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the > right > > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS > AGAIN > > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 very sad for you 007,but the tide is definitely turning after 2 years and the truth will always out...hang in there...more will be revealed...you will also be in my prayers...regards,ramykellog <amykellog@...> wrote: 007, as the others have said, you are definately in my thoughts and prayers as well and I SO wish things were different for you, but hold on; I pray too that SAMHSA does what they said and that the "etg momentum of its own" that Dr. Dan referred to will quickly swing around and backfire into its own face...I am trying too to sit patiently in the shadows and wait for the frickin truth to come out, and my nerves are shot...But please take care of yourself, things WILL change...(even though I know that doesn't help for right now...)Amy-- In Ethylglucuronide , "lftbhnd007" <lilibit007@...> wrote:>> ok heres the permanancy order from the judge bear with me as i > dont do paragraphs The threshold issue to the reunification of > and her mother has always been and continues to be > Ms.Ianninis alcohol abuse. the court relies heavily on the > random drug?alcohol screens conducted by DCYF . Ms Iannini has > consistentenly indicated to the court that she has ben substance > free . The court has been skeptical of this ,and the courts > skepticsm is reinforcerced by the continued positive alcohol > screens.And what apears to be avoidance of screens { i posted that I > sent a letter to all that I would NOT do ETG in may i ALSO SAID i > WOULD DO ANY THING BUT etg} MS IANNINI HERSELF AND THRU COUNSEL HAS > RAISED THE VALIDITY OF THESE SCREENS. , the court relies heavily on > the results of these screens,The court suggested DR Wagner from the > states forensic labs.The court is well aware of his > credentials ,backround and areas of expertise. The court also > beleived that he is not involved in the screens in DCYF cases as they > are sent to an independant lab {first lab NWT} Dr Wagners comments > as to the valitity of the screens was forwarded to the court by > letter of SW DCYF...with copies to all parties...There being no > response {court appt lawyers eeshhh} reaffirms its previous > findings that Ms Iannini HAS NOT BEEN SOBER and substance free ..Her > lack of total sobriety has been and continues to be the obstacle > preventing this case from moving forward toward to the previous goal > of reunification..THATS ALL FOLKS so DAN does that tell you > anything...ps been seeing a therapist to help me to unwind this ..so > I can live again however there is a part of me that I cannot > campartmentalize....THanks folks Im slipping again into piss poor > thinking > >> > My atty made a motion for reconsideration in regards to the WSJ and > > other info ,although I feel that the WSJ article was the most > > compelling. I just got the mail today and she denied the > motion ,now > > my child and I will never be able to gain a meaningful relationship > as > > reunification is off the plate. The results of this test only where > > used to create proof of my abstinance.Not AA LADAC SMART RECOVERY > and > > the list goes on and on as some of you know. It has been a tough > year > > and a half for me and I thank all of you for being here. Being > sober > > has not been easy with all the stress but I knew early on that if I > > did drink things would have been much harder ..I know I did the > right > > thing. am I better from it?? I dont know right now , I have to > > redefine myself as one who is not a parent.I am damaged.THANKS > AGAIN > > TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE STUCK BY MYSIDE.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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