plastic surgery

[Guest guest]

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I agree with you 100%. My oldest daughter has an ear that is folded over at the top and is a little unusual looking. Most people don't notice it, but I had decided when she was little that if she ever came to me and wanted it to be changed I would have it done. The pediatrian at the time even noted it in her medical records so that if the occasion arose we might have grounds for the insurance to cover it. This was long before was even thought of and has always been my position on these kinds of matters. It was clear to me in the documentary, that the little boy had no choice in the matter. I really paid attention to the language used by the parents and the PT they interviewed that worked with the little boy and the one thing the PT said that really struck me was something like(paraphrasing but close) "The parents feel fortunate to have a child like that they can help." How about instead, " The parents feel fortunate to have and they are so glad there are programs that will help him be all that he can be." That is a really telling statement to me. The parents had also decided when he was born or maybe even before he was born that they wanted to change the way he looks. It was almost like they were doing charity work. I'm sorry, maybe I am being too hard on them, but it was all about THEM, not their son. You are so right about it being a problem with society, not our children. I have said this before, but I am 6'1" tall and a large person, even at my thinnest, people still have to look at me when I enter a room, or I am out shopping. I have never known what it is like to fit in that mold perfect or even average mold. So for me, having a child who looks different than the norm is no big deal. I love the way looks, it is part of his charm. I could not imagine him looking any other way, and I will be darned if I am going to change his looks to make society feel better. I'm a rebel anyway. It was so nice to hear you have the same views on this. I cried when I saw them bring that little boy, bandaged,bruised and bleeding out of the OR. I have trouble doing medical things to my children that are neccesary for their well being, like shots and tests and so on. But I do them because I understand their value and importance.

Debbie-mom to , , , & (ds) 10 3/4 months

plastic surgery

horrible what they did to that little boy and they made him look "strange". I thought he was adorable before. I taped it if anyone wants a copy.

Debbie-mom to , , , & (ds) 10 3/4 months

Hi Debbie;

I have been back and forth on the plastic surgery bit and even went so far as to visit one just to see exactly what it involved. I didn't want it for my son but I have known other families that did choose it. I made my ultimate decision on the whole issues being that it should be permitted, IF the child is at a developmental age where they are the one wanting to have it done and NOT the parents. If the person with ds wants to have it done I think it should be allowed, afterall we "normal" people have all kinds of different types of surgery done (hell, if I had the $ I can think of a couple things I would like to have done). You only live once, might as well look the way you want to The biggest question anyone has to ask themselves that want to have plastic sugery done on their child with ds (without letting them have a say in it) is "am I doing this for me, or my child"....I think if anyone were to look seriously into the question and honestly answered that, their answer would be that they were doing it for themselves and their own embarassments. You can't use the plea that your child "suffers" from what he/she looks like or because he/she has ds. My child does not "suffer" from down syndrome and any "suffering" that he does encounter in his life will most likely be because of society and nothing that he, himself suffers from. We can only change society one person at a time and if we feel that our child isn't perfect the way he/she is, then how will society?......and most importantly, how will our child?

Sorry about all my ramblings

http://DSyndrome.com/Multiples

[Guest guest]

"My oldest daughter has an ear that is folded over at the top and is a little unusual looking. "

who will be 7 soon has one "floppy" ear that folds down and sticks through her straight bob haircut. She asked me about it and I told her that I thought that it was part of who she was and I was really happy with it. I then told her if, when she stops growing, she wants it fixed, she can. said - oh great then I can have 2 floppy ears - she thought there is something wrong with her "normal" ear! Kids - aren't they amazing??

CarolynMum to on, , Emma (Ds) 4 and Nicki (Ds) 3

[Guest guest]

Debbie/: Did either of you see the recent Leeza

(or " Sleeza " as I like to call her - lol) about this

issue? She had on the same Dr. Salyer (who happens to

practice here in Dallas), that was featured on Skin

Deep. One of the arguments from a parent who had this

done to her child was the " People have plastic surgery

all the time, they have face lifts, breast

augmentation, etc. " I was hoping so much that someone

would point out that " Yes, but it's ADULTS who make

this choice for themselves, not an ADULT making a

choice for their CHILD who has no say in the matter " !!

Debbie, you and I feel the same, in that having to see

your child go thru a necessary medical/surgical

procedure in order to save their life is difficult

enuf. It amazes me that a parent would put their

child thru that pain for and elective/cosmetic reason!

Just thought I'd throw my two cents into the

discussion!

Judi-mom to Sam & , 3, Identical Twins

--- & Debbie Drap <fivexblessed@...>

wrote:

> ,

> I agree with you 100%. My oldest daughter has an

> ear that is folded over at the top and is a little

> unusual looking. Most people don't notice it, but I

> had decided when she was little that if she ever

> came to me and wanted it to be changed I would have

> it done. The pediatrian at the time even noted it

> in her medical records so that if the occasion arose

> we might have grounds for the insurance to cover it.

> This was long before was even thought of

> and has always been my position on these kinds of

> matters. It was clear to me in the documentary,

> that the little boy had no choice in the matter. I

> really paid attention to the language used by the

> parents and the PT they interviewed that worked with

> the little boy and the one thing the PT said that

> really struck me was something like(paraphrasing but

> close) " The parents feel fortunate to have a child

> like that they can help. " How about

> instead, " The parents feel fortunate to have

> and they are so glad there are programs that

> will help him be all that he can be. " That is a

> really telling statement to me. The parents had

> also decided when he was born or maybe even before

> he was born that they wanted to change the way he

> looks. It was almost like they were doing charity

> work. I'm sorry, maybe I am being too hard on them,

> but it was all about THEM, not their son. You are

> so right about it being a problem with society, not

> our children. I have said this before, but I am

> 6'1 " tall and a large person, even at my thinnest,

> people still have to look at me when I enter a room,

> or I am out shopping. I have never known what it is

> like to fit in that mold perfect or even average

> mold. So for me, having a child who looks different

> than the norm is no big deal. I love the way

> looks, it is part of his charm. I could

> not imagine him looking any other way, and I will be

> darned if I am going to change his looks to make

> society feel better. I'm a rebel anyway. It was so

> nice to hear you have the same views on this. I

> cried when I saw them bring that little boy,

> bandaged,bruised and bleeding out of the OR. I have

> trouble doing medical things to my children that are

> neccesary for their well being, like shots and tests

> and so on. But I do them because I understand their

> value and importance.

>

> Debbie-mom to , , , &

> (ds) 10 3/4 months

>

>

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> plastic surgery

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>

> horrible what they did to that little boy and

> they made him look " strange " . I thought he was

> adorable before. I taped it if anyone wants a copy.

> Debbie-mom to , , ,

> & (ds) 10 3/4 months

>

> Hi Debbie;

> I have been back and forth on the plastic

> surgery bit and even went so far as to visit one

> just to see exactly what it involved. I didn't want

> it for my son but I have known other families that

> did choose it. I made my ultimate decision on the

> whole issues being that it should be permitted, IF

> the child is at a developmental age where they are

> the one wanting to have it done and NOT the parents.

> If the person with ds wants to have it done I think

> it should be allowed, afterall we " normal " people

> have all kinds of different types of surgery done

> (hell, if I had the $ I can think of a couple things

> I would like to have done). You only live once,

> might as well look the way you want to The

> biggest question anyone has to ask themselves that

> want to have plastic sugery done on their child with

> ds (without letting them have a say in it) is " am I

> doing this for me, or my child " ....I think if anyone

> were to look seriously into the question and

> honestly answered that, their answer would be that

> they were doing it for themselves and their own

> embarassments. You can't use the plea that your

> child " suffers " from what he/she looks like or

> because he/she has ds. My child does not " suffer "

> from down syndrome and any " suffering " that he does

> encounter in his life will most likely be because of

> society and nothing that he, himself suffers from.

> We can only change society one person at a time and

> if we feel that our child isn't perfect the way

> he/she is, then how will society?......and most

> importantly, how will our child?

>

> Sorry about all my ramblings

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Boy , if you thought she was in denial, you'd

love the mom in Skin Deep! Denial and narcissitic

(IMHO). Same for the plastic surgeon. He justifies

this surgery by showing groups of children pictures of

kids w/ds and then pictures of " normal " kids. All the

pic's of the kids w/ds show them drooling, w/their

tongues hanging out, etc. All the pic's of the

" normal " kids show happy, smiling kids, no tongues, no

drool. Well, he asks the kids who are being shown the

pictures, which child " looks " smarter? Which child

would you wan t for a friend? " etc. Again, ANYBODY

w/or w/o an extra chromosome can take a bad picture,

and look " dorky " (my word!). I bet if he had used

pictures of kids w/ds smiling and happy, just like the

other group, the results would be radically different!

I'll have to see if I saved a copy of the tape (if

you want it). It would blow your mind! IMHO, (S)Leeza

just capitalized on the sensationalism from Skin Deep,

as her show was shortly after it had aired a few times

on the Discovery Channel.

Judi

--- <lauranra@...> wrote:

> > Debbie/: Did either of you see the recent

> Leeza

> > (or " Sleeza " as I like to call her - lol) about

> this

> > issue? She had on the same Dr. Salyer (who

> happens to

> > practice here in Dallas), that was featured on

> Skin

> > Deep.

>

> I saw Leeza but did not see skin deep. One of the

> things that got me is the

> mom saying that she would like to have surgery to

> her son because she thinks

> there may be a cure in the near future and she would

> want her son to look

> " normal " to go along with the " normal " IQ.

> WOW....first I don't think there

> is going to be a " cure " in that near of a future and

> even so, if there does

> turn out to be something that stops the extra 21st

> chromosome from doing all

> that it does, then wouldn't you think that the

> features would normalize over

> time anyhow? I don't know but it seems to me that

> she is still hoping for a

> " normal " child instead of being thankful for what

> already is. I am not

> going to be waiting for the day when is

> " cured " ....what a pitiful

> life I would lead until a then that might never

> happen.

>

> JMO

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Debbie/: Did either of you see the recent Leeza

> (or " Sleeza " as I like to call her - lol) about this

> issue? She had on the same Dr. Salyer (who happens to

> practice here in Dallas), that was featured on Skin

> Deep.

I saw Leeza but did not see skin deep. One of the things that got me is the

mom saying that she would like to have surgery to her son because she thinks

there may be a cure in the near future and she would want her son to look

" normal " to go along with the " normal " IQ. WOW....first I don't think there

is going to be a " cure " in that near of a future and even so, if there does

turn out to be something that stops the extra 21st chromosome from doing all

that it does, then wouldn't you think that the features would normalize over

time anyhow? I don't know but it seems to me that she is still hoping for a

" normal " child instead of being thankful for what already is. I am not

going to be waiting for the day when is " cured " ....what a pitiful

life I would lead until a then that might never happen.

JMO

[Guest guest]

My husband and I saw the program in late april, we both made the same

comments. The surgery was for the parents and not for the child. How

could anyone put a young child thru that sort of pain unnecessarily?

It broke my heart to see the child after the surgery. I would like

to note that I did not see a big difference after the surgery, maybe

in a long time he will look more " normal " but after all the pain and

suffering I don't think there will be a remarkable difference. Now

that they have had this surgery and people can't tell he has DS, how

is it going to be when other kids don't understand why takes a little

longer is school to accomplish the same tasks they have. Kids can be

cruel but the parents are not making it any easier by making their

son look more " normal " . If his looks " normal " then kids will

expect him to accomplish things at the same rate as they do and when

he does not he will most likely be called names. I think the parents

should have taken the task up of educating adults and children in

their neighborhood and schools instead of trying to change looks.

I love the way Tyler is God made him that way for a purpose, I don't

want to change him to look like everybody else.

Well enough of my comments on this subject.

Katy mother to 3yrs and and Tyler(DS) 6months

[Guest guest]

Judi,

I did not see Leeza, but agree with everything you are saying. Some people look at my son and see something wrong with him. I look at him and see a sweet angel baby. I really beleive this is how God meant him to be. i have to share something with you. when i was was pregannt with my oldest, my biggest fear was that the baby would have something "wrong" with it and DS did go through my mind. When was born, we did not know ahead of time, and I was not fazed by the news what so ever. I always wondered how parents reacted to their newborns when given the news of a medical or neurological situation. I wondered if they were distant or afraid to love them or what? I found out for me that I loved him even more and felt so blessed to have been chosen as his mother. My fear with my first child came from ignorance and imaturity and a stigma from society. i think about cloning and the power it wields and i am glad i don't have to make choices about my babies genetics. Would i have "chosen" DS or even having twins? Probably not, but I would not trade them or change things for the world. Some people look at nicholas and wonder what he "should" have looked like. I look at him and see who he is and again, I think he is the way God intended him. I can't say that the neonatologist handled the whole situation well at all in giving me a diagnosis, but I pushed the issue and made sure got the extra care he needed. There were problems with nursing and keeping body temperature warm, that are typical of DS babies and I had to point them out to the staff and push them to respond. Only when I educated myself a few weeks later on DS did I know these things. They certainly should have known them.

Well, that's enough of my opinionated view for today.

Debbie-mom to , , , & (ds)11 months.

plastic surgery> > > horrible what they did to that little boy and> they made him look "strange". I thought he was> adorable before. I taped it if anyone wants a copy.> Debbie-mom to , , , > & (ds) 10 3/4 months> > Hi Debbie;> I have been back and forth on the plastic> surgery bit and even went so far as to visit one> just to see exactly what it involved. I didn't want> it for my son but I have known other families that> did choose it. I made my ultimate decision on the> whole issues being that it should be permitted, IF> the child is at a developmental age where they are> the one wanting to have it done and NOT the parents.> If the person with ds wants to have it done I think> it should be allowed, afterall we "normal" people> have all kinds of different types of surgery done> (hell, if I had the $ I can think of a couple things> I would like to have done). You only live once,> might as well look the way you want to The> biggest question anyone has to ask themselves that> want to have plastic sugery done on their child with> ds (without letting them have a say in it) is "am I> doing this for me, or my child"....I think if anyone> were to look seriously into the question and> honestly answered that, their answer would be that> they were doing it for themselves and their own> embarassments. You can't use the plea that your> child "suffers" from what he/she looks like or> because he/she has ds. My child does not "suffer"> from down syndrome and any "suffering" that he does> encounter in his life will most likely be because of> society and nothing that he, himself suffers from. > We can only change society one person at a time and> if we feel that our child isn't perfect the way> he/she is, then how will society?......and most> importantly, how will our child?> > Sorry about all my ramblings> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------> http://DSyndrome.com/Multiples > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I would consider it. Send me links!!!

I have to admit though... I am TERRIFIED of going out of country.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee!

If you can send me the Brazil info you've been looking at, I might be

interested.

I had a tummy tuck a year ago with a great plastic surgeon in Beverly

Hills. Supposedly, they received authorization from my insurance

company. To date, the insurance company has NOT paid and says the

procedure was cosmetic! What a pain in the butt!

I know I'll be out-of-pocket for any other work I want to do. I

would like to have a breast lift with implants--my breasts are tiny

little bags of skin....that's it! I don't even fill out an A-cup.

I've also thought about doing my arms which are very droopy.

The other thing I'd be interested in is my thighs--lots to lipo off

the saddle bag area, hanging skin in the inner thighs, and a fat area

inside the knee that hangs down--and from behind looks like a small

butt hanging over my knees! It's totally gross. But I know there

would be huge incisions involved and the recovery from thigh work is

a little scary to me.

I wonder how long a person would need to stay down there after having

the work done? Any ideas on that? I have some stock options--and

I'm waiting for a good price before I cash them in. If I wait til

this time next year, I could also add my bonus that usually comes

around March or April. So.....it's a definite possibility.

Take care!

Suzanne W.

Almost 3-years post-op, and down 170 lbs.

> ANyone up for a big trip? Anyone care to join me for a body

reshaping

> in BRAZIL??? I have been checking into going to Brazil. I can get

my

> body put back together for $3,200 (tummy tuck and breasts) there

> versus $12,450 here!! Significant savings.

>

> My parents are extremely practical - dad is a farmer, mom an LPN -

> they were here for the weekend and I showed them my stomach - fully

> thinking they would poo-poo my ideas of plastic surgery - WRONG -

> they were both in agreeement that it needed to be repaired. Clothes

> hide it well but ..... Anyway, I was very surprised that they were

> supportive - even offered to care for the kiddos!

>

> I have seen one surgeon here in town and have an appt with another

> later this month. I, of course, would prefer to have my repairs

done

> stateside but after traveling for the DS I know that I can travel

> again - and who wouldn't want to save $5,000-$9,000???

>

> Kym? Marta? Any takers??

>

> hugs, cindy lee

[Guest guest]

Now I'm a 46 C,

NOT!!! Sheesh, I'm not tired. Now I'm a 38C My allergies are killing me

with the fires and this wind so I took some benedryl... can you say drug

drunk?

Melisa

[Guest guest]

> Hello everyone!

>

> Man I'm sorry I missed the party yesterday. But believe me, when

I get the

> pictures of Kymberly developed, you'll understand completely!

>

> Since my scale has quit moving (it's moving over the same five

pounds for

> the last 6 months), I'm SERIOUSLY in need of PS. I I'm in

desperate need of

> Breast Lift/Augmentation, and TT with TONS of Liposuction.

>

> Does anyone know if Dr. K recommends a certain plastic surgeon? I

would

> love to get my arms done too, but we'll see how that all works out

with the

> TT, Lipo and sock boob fix. (I use to be a 38DD before getting

fat...then

> went to a 46 C. Now I'm a 46 C, and that's folding my boobs in

half and

> sticking them in a Push Up bra!)

>

> TIA!

>

> Melisa

> *who wants to come to the August Party*

***************

Dr K works with a plastic surgeon from So. CA. Dr. Bae. He comes

up once a month and schedules surgeries with Dr. K and they do them

together.

I absolutely recommend them, they are a great team. You should see

my flat tummy and outer thighs. They did great on s arms and

breast lift too. maybe will give you more info on that.

But I am very pleased with their work.

Sharon in Onyx

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sharon!

I'll be looking into Dr. Bae!

Melisa in CA

[Guest guest]

the surgeon, when he saw me

> naked, blurted out " I know just what to do - the Tonya " . Now, I

just have to gather my courage to do it! and part with $10,900.

>

> hugs, cindy lee

Alright Lee

Huge step, but you will be glad you did it. And I will be so

jealous of your perky taa-taas...

Cause I am done! stomping fot...I am I am I am done, I say...

The courage you have, I know you do. Now for the bucks...

love you, Sharon in Onyx

who knows that the next man that whistles at you WILL be whistling

at you!

[Guest guest]

This is exciting! I suppose this fab doctor is in your neck of the

woods. But still.... does he have a website with pictures? Maybe

The Tonya can be learned by other surgeons? Maybe he can talk to Dr.

Bae and we can all have the Tonya. Sounds perfect! Can hardly

wait. Keep us informed. Tammy

> Today I interviewed my 3rd surgeon and he is a keeper - provided I

> don't get brave enough to go to Brazil! He has done a procedure

> called " the Tonya " named after the first WLS patient he did it

on.

> He will do it on me - it is perfect for me - just what I need. It

is

> a thigh lift, tummy tuck, pubic lift combo that works really well

for

> WLS patients. THe results are beautiful! He will revise my

DS/Hernia

> scar and do some upper ab lipo and lift my breasts. I am so

excited.

> The other surgeons I saw offered nothing for my saggy thighs and

this

> combo will lift that inner thigh crepe! BTW, " Tonya " and I look so

> much alike preop it is startling - even the surgeon, when he saw me

> naked, blurted out " I know just what to do - the Tonya " . Now, I

just

> have to gather my courage to do it! and part with $10,900.

>

> hugs, cindy lee

[Guest guest]

--That procedure sounds great!! And all for $10,900? Sounds

like a deal to me! I've been avidly reading a list that is for

people who have gone to the Rosenstock clinic in Costa Rica. I think

that is where I might venture next year. Might even take my mom with

me for a face lift! She can save for the surgery and I'll take care

of our travel. How sweet--mother-daughter plastic surgery! I will

be 49 in a few months and I'm contemplating a neck and lower face

lift as well. What the heck! Keep us posted!

Suzanne W.

> Today I interviewed my 3rd surgeon and he is a keeper - provided I

> don't get brave enough to go to Brazil! He has done a procedure

> called " the Tonya " named after the first WLS patient he did it

on.

> He will do it on me - it is perfect for me - just what I need. It

is

> a thigh lift, tummy tuck, pubic lift combo that works really well

for

> WLS patients. THe results are beautiful! He will revise my

DS/Hernia

> scar and do some upper ab lipo and lift my breasts. I am so

excited.

> The other surgeons I saw offered nothing for my saggy thighs and

this

> combo will lift that inner thigh crepe! BTW, " Tonya " and I look so

> much alike preop it is startling - even the surgeon, when he saw me

> naked, blurted out " I know just what to do - the Tonya " . Now, I

just

> have to gather my courage to do it! and part with $10,900.

>

> hugs, cindy lee

[Guest guest]

I'm so excited for you girlfriend!! Even though I had hoped you

would join me in BRASILIA!!!! Sounds like such an awesome deal....

So when are you going to schedule it for? <grin> Come on...set a

date!!!! <nudge nudge>

Or better yet... just come down to Brazil with me on the 13th....

<grin>

Love,

--Kym

[Guest guest]

Who is this surgeon and where is he located?

Plastic Surgery

Today I interviewed my 3rd surgeon and he is a keeper - provided I

don't get brave enough to go to Brazil! He has done a procedure

called " the Tonya " named after the first WLS patient he did it on.

He will do it on me - it is perfect for me - just what I need. It is

a thigh lift, tummy tuck, pubic lift combo that works really well for

WLS patients. THe results are beautiful! He will revise my DS/Hernia

scar and do some upper ab lipo and lift my breasts. I am so excited.

The other surgeons I saw offered nothing for my saggy thighs and this

combo will lift that inner thigh crepe! BTW, " Tonya " and I look so

much alike preop it is startling - even the surgeon, when he saw me

naked, blurted out " I know just what to do - the Tonya " . Now, I just

have to gather my courage to do it! and part with $10,900.

hugs, cindy lee

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/24/2003 1:55:16 PM Central Daylight Time,

snurfles2@... writes:

> Oh, Lee, I'm so happy for you! (And so jealous!) I wish I

> could get my boobies lifted. I'll have to save up for a few years

> for that one. In the meantime, I have two C cup sized sharpei puppies

> on my chest. LOL! You ARE going to show us before and after pics,

> right?

>

Tracey...On the PS Before and after, on th last one they had a Young boy with

a TT and a woman who had her breasts lifted and reduced....Big difference!

and a Thigh ligt and butt lift on the woman with the Breast job...3 days after

the thight lift she had the breasts done...How much punishment can one woman

take??

in Bama

http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html

Surgery- RNY to DS revision on12/6 -377.5

12/17 - 346.5 ( minus 31lbs)

02/12-330.0 (minus 47.5 lbs)

05/12- 304.8 (minus 72.7 lbs)-BMI now 48

06/22- 290.8 (minus 86.7)BMI 46.

[Guest guest]

Oh, Lee, I'm so happy for you! (And so jealous!) I wish I

could get my boobies lifted. I'll have to save up for a few years

for that one. In the meantime, I have two C cup sized sharpei puppies

on my chest. LOL! You ARE going to show us before and after pics,

right?

Hugs!

Tracey

> Today I interviewed my 3rd surgeon and he is a keeper - provided I

> don't get brave enough to go to Brazil!

> hugs, cindy lee

[Guest guest]

When I was in Dr. Ks office yesterday, a woman was telling me that one

can have the whole reconstruction surgery for 1,500 in the Virgin

Islands. Air fare is about 700 ,so, for just over 2 grand one can have

the tummy tuck, thighplasty, bat wing removed and all that jazz.

Interesting, no?

Jim

> Today I interviewed my 3rd surgeon and he is a keeper - provided I

> don't get brave enough to go to Brazil!

> hugs, cindy lee

[Guest guest]

What woman in Dr K's office told you about PS in the Virgin Islands?

Who is she? What's her email addy? What's the addy of the

surgeon/clinic? How long does one stay there? Are you getting a " cut "

(pardon the pun) ? Inquiring minds...

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Thigh and butt lift and breast work three days later?? That's just

a tad too much for me at one time! I would like to get a thigh and

butt lift but probably never will due to money constraints. That's

okay. I'm sure once my breasts are perky again, I'll be happy!

Tracey

>

> Tracey...On the PS Before and after, on th last one they had a

Young boy with

> a TT and a woman who had her breasts lifted and reduced....Big

difference!

> and a Thigh ligt and butt lift on the woman with the Breast

job...3 days after

> the thight lift she had the breasts done...How much punishment can

one woman

> take??

> in Bama

>

>

http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html

Surgery- RNY to DS revision on12/6 -377.5

> 12/17 - 346.5 ( minus

31lbs)

>

> 02/12-330.0 (minus 47.5

lbs)

> 05/12- 304.8 (minus 72.7 lbs)-BMI now 48

> 06/22- 290.8 (minus 86.7)BMI 46.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm afraid that once skin is badly stretched out from obesity, there

is nothing that will remove or shrink it other than plastic surgery.

Exercise will tone the muscles under the flabby skin, but will not

reduce the skin itself at all.

The only thing you can do to try to minimize all the excess skin that

will very often be left over is lose slowly and in a healthy way, be

sure you stay very well-hydrated, and keep your skin as elastic as

possible with good care and lotions.

The plastic surgery involved in Tummy Tucks, Removing Batwings

(brachioplasty), and major liposuction are very major surgeries and

can be quite painful and take a long time for recovery, but

facelifts, neck work, breast stuff and other more-minor things are

not bad at all. Some choose plastic surgery, others don't Sandy RN

> Has anyone been successful at losing lots of weight without needing

> plastic surgery? If so, what is your secret? My goal is to lose

150

> pounds, I don't want skin hanging all over, but I'm a bit freaked

out

> over the thought of plastic surgery...I've heard it's very painful.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Sheryl

> 293/261/145

> 8/17/04

>

[Guest guest]

// Is there an group to chat about plastic surgery

options/questions in Washington?//

Yes, but not just WA. (Although I think quite a few of us are in WA)

bandsterplasticsurgery/

//I'm looking into a breast lift/lower body lift.

Is anyone familiar with Dr. Gavin Dry who works out of Evergreen

Hospital in Everett?//

Dr. Dry did my lower body lift at Evergreen in Kirland. You can see

pics at the bandsterplasticsurgery group.

I have been very pleased with his work.

I plan to have him do a few things for my face this summer as well.

The Lower Body Lift wasn't an easy recovery for me, but he's doing a

few things differently now and one of his more recent patients came to

a PS support group at Evergreen Hospital less than 2 weeks out from

her surgery. (I wouldn't have been up to it.)

//How about Dr. Partington? Any help or references...good or

bad...would be appreciated.//

Dr. Partington wasn't doing LBLs when I was shopping around.

//

Also...what's the difference between getting a tummy tuck/thighplasty

and a lower body lift? //

It's my understanding that the Lower Body Lift removes a lot more

tissue and of course the behind get raised too, but it's a good

question to discuss with the surgeon.

It's good to find out what they would recommend for You.

//Is there much benefit to your thighs by getting a

> tummytuck? I'm told that just a tummy tuck will help a little with

the thighs.//

I had extensive liposuction of the outer thighs w/ my lower body lift.

(Can we say Thunder?) Dr. Dry removed 18 lbs of tissue during my

procedure. That weight loss put me at goal...well close enough.:-)

//One more thing! I've heard some people say that you should get the

plastic surgery done when you're about 20 pounds from goal...others

have said that you should be at goal. Any input?//

My weight had been stable at 20-23 lbs above goal for probably 5-6

months and I wasn't working that summer, so I just decided to go for

it. I had the luxury of not needing to go back to work til Sept.

You can email me if you have any other questions:

Kate

kate@...

Lapband Dr. Kuri 6/02

LBL Dr. Dry 6/04

Inner Thigh Lift/ Scar revision Dr. Dry 12/04

234/138/134

[Guest guest]

Hi, my sister-in-law worked for many years in the office of one of the best

plastic surgeons in the world, his office is in Salt Lake City, Utah, and she

told me that he required patients to be at 5% of their ideal weight.

Good luck

Marcie

mrmrssoso@... wrote:

Is there an group to chat about plastic surgery options/questions in

Washington? I'm looking into a breast lift/lower body lift.

Is anyone familiar with Dr. Gavin Dry who works out of Evergreen Hospital in

Everett? How about Dr. Partington? Any help or references...good or

bad...would be appreciated.

Also...what's the difference between getting a tummy tuck/thighplasty and a

lower body lift? Is there much benefit to your thighs by getting a

tummytuck? I'm told that just a tummy tuck will help a little with the thighs.

One more thing! I've heard some people say that you should get the plastic

surgery done when you're about 20 pounds from goal...others have said that

you should be at goal. Any input?

Thanks,

Sue

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