Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 <<Tell me about your Asperger's child. Characteristics, personality, symptoms. Can't remember - have you seen a homeopath? >> Sheri, he wasn't right from birth, before he received any vaccines. I believe that the genetics were there and the vaccines pushed him over the edge, because of his allergies and the genetics. Right now he is very immature for his age more like a 11 or 12 yr. old. He has vast mood swings, but is going through puberty late. He takes many things " literal, " does not understand personal space. When you ask him to please stop doing something, you have to ask 5 or 6 times. I finally have to get in his face, make him look at me, tell him again, and ask if he understands. The social thing is a big problem, he says he has friends in school, but no one calls or comes over. I found a great Dr. who does social skills sessions tailored to his age group, he went once and now refuses to go. Physically, he is a lot better than he used to be. He used to get terrible migraines, which were related to foods, apples, eggs, chocolate, nuts and any kind of caffeine. He has been to so many Doctors since he was small, at this point he won't even take Vit. C. Says, I'm trying to kill him with all the vitamins. At 15 it's kind of hard to force him to go to any Dr. He has seen Dr. Doris Rapp and Dr. Buttram. About a year ago, our family Dr. did a metabolic work-up on him, and said everything was in the normal range, but then he is not experienced in Asperger's. The doctor actually listens to me, and tries to follow up on any concerns. He does not like to use antibiotics or medications. I would love to get him to a homeopath, but it might be like trying to harness of bull. Any suggestions you can give me would be very much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 <<Does he make grimaces with his face - weird faces?>> Absolutely!! He also uses verbal stims over and over. Kind of like an " AUGTH " sound. Says his friends do it to in school, but he takes it over the edge. He also kind of sings when he talks. I noticed though in the past couple of years, he does not act out in public places like he used to. It's so hard not to have these things instinctively, there is so much that I take for granted, that he just does not have or get about social situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 <<What kind of pictures does he draw and what kind of dreams does he have? Fears? Sheri>> Sheri, he really does not draw that good. He takes art class, but he is not too creative. He just draws what he is told to, or what others are drawing. I really don't think he dreams that much, he's only told me about one or two dreams, which were not abnormal. He used to have fears, but they were always connected to self esteem. At his point in time he does not have any fears that I know of. He seems quite fearless. It would take me about two years to save up enough to go to London, although I have an online friend who lives outside of London. There is a homeopath on your list, who is about one hour away from me. If she is not up to speed on Autistic Spectrum Disorders, maybe the homeopath in London can help? Suzanne J. , C.N., RSHom (NA), CCH 1745 Pennsylvania St. town PA 18104 610-351-0592 zanne1@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Thanks for all your help Sheri! I'm going to call Suzanne. I will let you know what I find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Boy, , you have to get him to a homeopath. I can't tell you the differences I've seen in cases - videos and people's reports to me and homeopaths reports. Does he make grimaces with his face - weird faces? If I could just get through to everyone the power of the homeopathic system and the right remedy. I don't know what else to say. Sheri At 07:52 AM 03/20/2002 EST, you wrote: ><<Tell me about your Asperger's child. Characteristics, personality, symptoms. > >Can't remember - have you seen a homeopath? >> > >Sheri, he wasn't right from birth, before he received any vaccines. I believe >that the genetics were there and the vaccines pushed him over the edge, >because of his allergies and the genetics. > >Right now he is very immature for his age more like a 11 or 12 yr. old. He >has vast mood swings, but is going through puberty late. He takes many things > " literal, " does not understand personal space. When you ask him to please >stop doing something, you have to ask 5 or 6 times. I finally have to get in >his face, make him look at me, tell him again, and ask if he understands. The >social thing is a big problem, he says he has friends in school, but no one >calls or comes over. > >I found a great Dr. who does social skills sessions tailored to his age >group, he went once and now refuses to go. > >Physically, he is a lot better than he used to be. He used to get terrible >migraines, which were related to foods, apples, eggs, chocolate, nuts and any >kind of caffeine. He has been to so many Doctors since he was small, at this >point he won't even take Vit. C. Says, I'm trying to kill him with all the >vitamins. > >At 15 it's kind of hard to force him to go to any Dr. He has seen Dr. Doris >Rapp and Dr. Buttram. About a year ago, our family Dr. did a metabolic >work-up on him, and said everything was in the normal range, but then he is >not experienced in Asperger's. The doctor actually listens to me, and tries >to follow up on any concerns. He does not like to use antibiotics or >medications. I would love to get him to a homeopath, but it might be like >trying to harness of bull. > >Any suggestions you can give me would be very much appreciated. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Sheri - It would be helpful to me to know what kind of differences you have seen with these kinds of kids. I know my son has vax damage but I have also tried so many things and am so scared and tired to try one more thing. I obviously believe or I would not continue to read all these e mails, join in on conversations and read your literature. I am just still so cautious to put my baby through one more thing. What if it is more damaging, can anyone promise it won't be...it almost sounds too good to be true. Please respond. Thanks, you have been so helpful. You must be an earth angel! Michel >From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> >Reply-Vaccinations >Vaccinations >Subject: Re: Re: Asperger's Syndrome >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:24:14 +0000 > >Boy, , you have to get him to a homeopath. I can't tell you the >differences I've seen in cases - videos and people's reports to me and >homeopaths reports. > >Does he make grimaces with his face - weird faces? > >If I could just get through to everyone the power of the homeopathic system >and the right remedy. >I don't know what else to say. > >Sheri > >At 07:52 AM 03/20/2002 EST, you wrote: > ><<Tell me about your Asperger's child. Characteristics, personality, >symptoms. > > > >Can't remember - have you seen a homeopath? >> > > > >Sheri, he wasn't right from birth, before he received any vaccines. I >believe > >that the genetics were there and the vaccines pushed him over the edge, > >because of his allergies and the genetics. > > > >Right now he is very immature for his age more like a 11 or 12 yr. old. >He > >has vast mood swings, but is going through puberty late. He takes many >things > > " literal, " does not understand personal space. When you ask him to please > >stop doing something, you have to ask 5 or 6 times. I finally have to get >in > >his face, make him look at me, tell him again, and ask if he understands. >The > >social thing is a big problem, he says he has friends in school, but no >one > >calls or comes over. > > > >I found a great Dr. who does social skills sessions tailored to his age > >group, he went once and now refuses to go. > > > >Physically, he is a lot better than he used to be. He used to get >terrible > >migraines, which were related to foods, apples, eggs, chocolate, nuts and >any > >kind of caffeine. He has been to so many Doctors since he was small, at >this > >point he won't even take Vit. C. Says, I'm trying to kill him with all >the > >vitamins. > > > >At 15 it's kind of hard to force him to go to any Dr. He has seen Dr. >Doris > >Rapp and Dr. Buttram. About a year ago, our family Dr. did a metabolic > >work-up on him, and said everything was in the normal range, but then he >is > >not experienced in Asperger's. The doctor actually listens to me, and >tries > >to follow up on any concerns. He does not like to use antibiotics or > >medications. I would love to get him to a homeopath, but it might be like > >trying to harness of bull. > > > >Any suggestions you can give me would be very much appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 At 09:21 AM 03/20/2002 EST, you wrote: ><<Does he make grimaces with his face - weird faces?>> > >Absolutely!! He also uses verbal stims over and over. Kind of like an " AUGTH " >sound. Says his friends do it to in school, but he takes it over the edge. He >also kind of sings when he talks. I noticed though in the past couple of >years, he does not act out in public places like he used to. It's so hard not >to have these things instinctively, there is so much that I take for granted, >that he just does not have or get about social situations. > > > - I have just the homeopath to see him here in the UK - she saw the 2 cases I refer to and gave them a key remedy! Come on over! Just to see him, even if he won't talk much would help! What kind of pictures does he draw and what kind of dreams does he have? Fears? Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 At 09:57 AM 03/20/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Sheri - It would be helpful to me to know what kind of differences you have >seen with these kinds of kids. I know my son has vax damage but I have also >tried so many things and am so scared and tired to try one more thing. I >obviously believe or I would not continue to read all these e mails, join in >on conversations and read your literature. I am just still so cautious to >put my baby through one more thing. What if it is more damaging, can anyone >promise it won't be...it almost sounds too good to be true. Please respond. > Thanks, you have been so helpful. You must be an earth angel! >Michel > Michel, I don't have extensive experience but have seen videos in the classes I'm in of cases (in my homeopathic college) I have talked with thousands and thousands of people over the years on these lists and many with improvement after homeopathy. 2 parents at NVIC conference (3 children) Septe 2000. CURED autistic children with homepathic treatment with a classical homeopath. Read Ritalin Free kids by the Ullman's - treating ADD/ADHD kids who also might be labeled any of the autism spectrum disorders. You will see the major improvements. REading the homeopathic journals over the years. Homeopathy is about as safe as you could get. You have to find a quality practitioner and you know I'd help you with that. Otherwise you are condemning your child to life as they have it now. I know its hard and I know many of you have been through a lot, but when you've seen what I've seen and talked to homeopaths and parents. It isn't always easy and fast. It depends on the quality of the homeopath. Finding the right remedy and on and on. I tell you - I am developing a network of incredible homeopaths over here in the UK (teachers in my school - the cream of the crop!0 Come over for a visit. If I could and if I was a qualified homeopath, I'd see each and every one of you - pull up in my 'covered wagon' and see you in the backyard! I'm working hard so that I can help more in the future as a homeopath but that is several years away and you don't have time to waste Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 At 10:12 AM 03/20/2002 EST, you wrote: ><<What kind of pictures does he draw and what kind of dreams does he have? >Fears? >Sheri>> > >Sheri, he really does not draw that good. He takes art class, but he is not >too creative. He just draws what he is told to, or what others are drawing. I >really don't think he dreams that much, he's only told me about one or two >dreams, which were not abnormal. He used to have fears, but they were always >connected to self esteem. At his point in time he does not have any fears >that I know of. He seems quite fearless. > >It would take me about two years to save up enough to go to London, although >I have an online friend who lives outside of London. There is a homeopath on >your list, who is about one hour away from me. If she is not up to speed on >Autistic Spectrum Disorders, maybe the homeopath in London can help? > > > >Suzanne J. , C.N., RSHom (NA), CCH >1745 Pennsylvania St. >town PA 18104 >610-351-0592 >zanne1@... WEll, she doesn't have to be up to speed on Autism Spectrum Disorder as a homeopath finds a remedy that matches the symptom picture. But I could share info on this particular remedy with her if you do decide to go and she could talk with the homeoapth here in Bath. His whole case would need to be taken, and he may n ot even match the remedy we just learned about (I don't want to say as people latch onto it). I would have a chat with her about how experienced she is period! Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Mark, the only places we can see on an EEG are areas which have pyramidal neurons instead of stellate cells. That means that we can see the cortex, the hippocampus and the cingulate. The rest is invisible (though not to magnetic readings). I don't necessarily think that means we can't train other areas. For example, training up peak alpha frequency certainly has an effect on the thalamus, as does training SMR in the central strip. I'm aware of several folks on this list who have trained bipolar one-channel montages just below O1 and O2 for balance and gait issues (certainly cerebellar issues) and claim to have gotten very good results with (memory here) lobeta up and theta down. Training the frontals is often an issue of inhibiting more than rewarding. If you come from the reward camp, this can be a problem. Just blocking slow activity may have a very different effect. Pete Asperger's Syndrome Hi all, Would anyone like to comment on the information below taken from a Medscape article on Asperger's Syndrome, particularly in terms of implications for neurofeedback training? I get very consistent results rewarding about 9-12 Hz and inhibiting delta/theta at T4 or T6, but haven't had as good success training at the prefrontal cortex. How might we impact the cerebellum? Here's the extract: Brain Anatomy Examination of the brain structure of individuals with ASD is a growing area of study. Recent articles included controlled studies comparing the brain structure of adults with Asperger syndrome with that of normal adults. Structural differences have been found between these two groups in the fronto-striatal and cerebellar regions, with individuals with Asperger syndrome having less gray matter than controls.[43*] Differences in prefrontal lobe metabolite levels have also been found between adults with Asperger syndrome and controls, with adults with the syndrome having higher concentrations of certain metabolites.[44] Functional imaging research has shown less activation of certain areas of the brain (e.g. medial prefrontal cortex, temporal poles and superior temporal sulcus) for adults with Asperger syndrome or HFA when engaged in mentalizing tasks.[45*] Finally, post-mortem brain analyses of adults with Asperger syndrome have indicated abnormalities in the minicolumnar organization of some areas of the right hemisphere.[46] Regards, Mark Darling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 As an adult who was diagnosed with AS in 2000, I can certainly tell you that AS is more of a limitation than an asset. I am severely limited as to the types of work I do, what kind of environments I can work in without prejudice or being threatened, the kinds of social environments I can feel safe in, and, worst of all, extremely limited economic potential. I live in a very closed-minded society (that of the United States of America, where ALL PEOPLE are SUPPOSED TO BE CREATED EQUAL) which has shown that it's NT population is very insensitive to our needs, especially our need to hold down employment that pays a livable wage. I have turned my back on private sector employment because they are too prejudiced against, and too cheap to pay a living wage (which we rightfully deserve) to, people with Asperger's. A Republican administration is making our lot much worse; if Alito is confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, many of the laws that people with Asperger's depend on to help us try to get a foothold in the workplace and society, especially the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act, will either be severely gutted or repealed. And that's the worst prejudice of all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 : As an adult who was diagnosed with AS in 2000, I can certainly tell you that AS is more of a limitation than an asset. I am severely limited as to the types of work I do, what kind of environments I can work in without prejudice or being threatened, the kinds of social environments I can feel safe in, and, worst of all, extremely limited economic potential. Can yo describe more in detail what your ideal work place would look like? I live in a very closed-minded society (that of the United States of America, where ALL PEOPLE are SUPPOSED TO BE CREATED EQUAL) Of course, but then "some people are more equal than others"? ;-)) > which has shown that it's NT population is very insensitive to our needs, especially our need to hold down employment that pays a livable wage. Non-aspies probably don't see why they SHOULD be sensitive to our needs. Any more than we spend a lot of time wondering how we might satisfy theirs. > I have turned my back on private sector employment because they are too prejudiced against, and too cheap to pay a living wage (which we rightfully deserve) to, people with Asperger's. They don't know what they're missing! > A Republican administration is making our lot much worse; if Alito is confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, many of the laws that people with Asperger's depend on to help us try to get a foothold in the workplace and society, especially the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act, will either be severely gutted or repealed. And that's the worst prejudice of all. That sounds bad indeed! Perhaps you should really consider moving to europe or Canada? Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 , The Americans with Disabilities, act for Educations was writen very poorly and actually takes money and help away from schools that are helping kids, I hope the No Child left Behind Act, gets repealed it is one of the worst things Bush has done since he has been in office. The ADA when it comes to the work place is great except people that don't deserve to use it take way to much advantage of it, so that when people that truly need it use it they are give a hard time. BethInger Lorelei <inglori@...> wrote: : As an adult who was diagnosed with AS in 2000, I can certainly tell you that AS is more of a limitation than an asset. I am severely limited as to the types of work I do, what kind of environments I can work in without prejudice or being threatened, the kinds of social environments I can feel safe in, and, worst of all, extremely limited economic potential. Can yo describe more in detail what your ideal work place would look like? I live in a very closed-minded society (that of the United States of America, where ALL PEOPLE are SUPPOSED TO BE CREATED EQUAL) Of course, but then "some people are more equal than others"? ;-)) > which has shown that it's NT population is very insensitive to our needs, especially our need to hold down employment that pays a livable wage. Non-aspies probably don't see why they SHOULD be sensitive to our needs. Any more than we spend a lot of time wondering how we might satisfy theirs. > I have turned my back on private sector employment because they are too prejudiced against, and too cheap to pay a living wage (which we rightfully deserve) to, people with Asperger's. They don't know what they're missing! > A Republican administration is making our lot much worse; if Alito is confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, many of the laws that people with Asperger's depend on to help us try to get a foothold in the workplace and society, especially the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act, will either be severely gutted or repealed. And that's the worst prejudice of all. That sounds bad indeed! Perhaps you should really consider moving to europe or Canada? Inger Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 In a message dated 1/18/2006 11:15:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes: It is so frustrating and maddening how narrow Americans are. I don't think this is strictly an American thing. I haven't encountered any serious trouble and I do a lot of business work and travel a fair amount. Most people don't seem bothered by my mannerisms. Then again, I have learned to compensate reasonably well, enough to get along. I also mostly deal with more educated people. Perhaps the plebeians have more of a problem with people who aren't exactly standard. I've talked to people from England and European countries and many of them have reported the same kinds of problems with the plebes. It is more likely that some of us have found people we are comfortable with and that are comfortable with us. Outside of this circle, we will of course find more narrow people no matter where we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 In a message dated 1/18/2006 12:45:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes: And you might be trading one set of problems for another, it's not perfect anywhere. I really like, though, how Brits are more tolerant of differences and eccentricity. I know they have their limit but it seems to be a lot higher than the tolerance level of America in general. America seems young, immature, short-sited and volatile in many respects, whereas Britain seems more mature, patient, tolerant and non-judgemental (in comparison). This also sounds a bit like cultural elitism. However, some of the Brits I have talked to have said that all those things said about America also apply over there. Like I said, it probably has to do with the class of people more than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 In a message dated 1/18/2006 2:14:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, julie.stevenson16@... writes: Well perhaps in some places in Britain, but 'times they are 'a' changing'. There seems to be a growing less tolerance - on the one hand we have people preaching tolerance and on the other it is almost like they expect everyone to be clones and fall into neat little catogories - people are not that way!To be just different is no longer accepted generally accepted. To be rich and different is eccentric - or to be different and 'arty' or gifted is accepted, but unfortunately many schools just seem to want clones that fit. I think a lot of what we are seeing is the lack of an outside "other" or a common enemy. Society does seem to have a hard time sticking together without the Other threatening from without. Without this Other, societies seem to turn against themselves. I think this may be what is happening today. We have defeated the specter of Monolithic Communism and the threat of nuclear annihilation that went with it. With that victory, the Great Other was gone. Without this, the different groups within our society have turned on each other without the restraint of fear of the Other. The more they fight with each other mostly over scraps and favors from the government, the more bitter the field becomes and the less they will be willing to work with each other. Unfortunately, there are new "Others" out there, but our infighting is keeping us from seeing it. I have a feeling that those Others will take advantage of this and really hurt us in the near future. How society will react I don't really know. Things have become so polarized, it is hard to say how a major intrusion by the Other, whether a nuclear terror attack or foreign governments calling in the US debt they own, will affect us. Perhaps it will cause a rethink and reunification but it is just as likely that divisions will become more stark as each side plays "I told you so". Anyway, I think this need for the Other is largely an NT and political thing. NTs seem to need the Other to unite them rather than something constructive, like say simply doing the best with their own lives to benefit everyone else. Politicians muck things up even more with rewards and spoils to different groups. This only increases competition and division as these groups compete over the scraps, not realizing (or perhaps they do and exploit it) that this only fragments society, weakening it from within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 It is so frustrating and maddening how narrow Americans are. I agree with Inger, move to England or Europe, if that's possible. This narrowness has caused me a lot of grief. Not knowing I was AS and thinking I didn't get socialized as a child and that I was just behind made me work superhumanly hard at trying to 'catch up' and 'get it'. It took years but now I can do it, and sadly part of the secret was finding that tiny, narrow window of acceptibility. I'm not saying every Aspie can do it like I have and though it has helped me to fit into society it does make me sick just how narrow this window is. You have to have the right tone of voice, say the right things in the exact right way, smile at the right times, frown at the right times, have the proper facial and body gestures, don't be too smart, don't be too dumb, don't be too confident, don't be too timid, don't be too soft, don't be too hard, etc. etc. Their allowance of differences only lets you go to the edge of this narrow window. And then they think, wow, you are very different, but we'll accept you. Arghhhh. > > As an adult who was diagnosed with AS in 2000, I can certainly tell you that > AS is more of a limitation than an asset. I am severely limited as to the > types of work I do, what kind of environments I can work in without prejudice or > being threatened, the kinds of social environments I can feel safe in, and, > worst of all, extremely limited economic potential. I live in a very > closed-minded society (that of the United States of America, where ALL PEOPLE are > SUPPOSED TO BE CREATED EQUAL) which has shown that it's NT population is very > insensitive to our needs, especially our need to hold down employment that > pays a livable wage. I have turned my back on private sector employment because > they are too prejudiced against, and too cheap to pay a living wage (which we > rightfully deserve) to, people with Asperger's. > > A Republican administration is making our lot much worse; if Alito is > confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, many of the laws that > people with Asperger's depend on to help us try to get a foothold in the > workplace and society, especially the Americans with Disabilities Act and the > Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act, will either be severely gutted > or repealed. And that's the worst prejudice of all. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Mmmmmmmmmmmm I'm not sure how good it is anywhere else? There does seem to be a growing awarness of AS, but also still a lot of misconceptions. Where I am in the UK there are no adult services for people with AS - the children's side is slightly better - but still a lot of misunderstanding and still a long way to go :-( Predjudices still abound :-( I somehow managed to make it through mainstream school, but it certainly was not easy - but my son does not seem to be fareing any better at a special school - although there is no doubt that he could not survive mainstream school as they just do not understand him and write him off before they have even given him a chance (he went to two mainstream schools when younger - one forced him out and the other kicked him out) :-( Just thought beware the grass is greener, because it isn't always - that said - I would certainly seek out an area where perhaps there is more understanding - but I am rather cynical with age and would wait until I see it to believe it - some say they are understanding and then it turns out they are not (story of my life - 'shrug'). > > It is so frustrating and maddening how narrow Americans are. I agree > with Inger, move to England or Europe, if that's possible. This > narrowness has caused me a lot of grief. Not knowing I was AS and > thinking I didn't get socialized as a child and that I was just > behind made me work superhumanly hard at trying to 'catch up' > and 'get it'. It took years but now I can do it, and sadly part of > the secret was finding that tiny, narrow window of acceptibility. I'm > not saying every Aspie can do it like I have and though it has helped > me to fit into society it does make me sick just how narrow this > window is. You have to have the right tone of voice, say the right > things in the exact right way, smile at the right times, frown at the > right times, have the proper facial and body gestures, don't be too > smart, don't be too dumb, don't be too confident, don't be too timid, > don't be too soft, don't be too hard, etc. etc. Their allowance of > differences only lets you go to the edge of this narrow window. And > then they think, wow, you are very different, but we'll accept you. > Arghhhh. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 In a message dated 1/18/2006 3:37:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes: Yeah, isn't this a shame? And they also seem to get soft and spoiled and degraded when things go well, instead of using the easy time for good, like you mention above. I think the good times are when one lays up stocks for the bad. Granted I don't always do that, but I am aware of the opportunity cost of spending my money now on things rather than saving. Many state governments also fell into this hole. During the late 1990's the economy was going well. Willfully ignoring the business cycle for current political gain, they increased spending dramatically. When 9/11 ushered in the recession, the states found themselves awash in red ink as tax receipts could no longer cover all their new spending gimmicks. Most states tried to raise taxes, often couched in terms of funding police and education, which politicians will always cut first rather than their pet projects and those they own the benefactors. My state of Virginia is one state that raised taxes a great deal. This year, as the economy has swung back, we are running a surplus. Are the politicians saying the tax increases were unnecessary? Some are, but most won't even bring that issue up. Are they talking about cutting taxes? Again some are, but most won't broach that issue either. Are they talking about reining in spending, the real cause of the budget problem? Not really. There is a lot of that in certain newspapers, but I don't think that will happen. As such, we will be repeating this cycle over and over again. Regular people face the same problems. Very often people get a raise or something. Rather than pay off their debts on the cars and homes, they move to a new house, a bigger one which means more debt and buy new cars and other junk. It would be far more sensible to pay off the debt which would really be a net savings because they would no longer be paying all that interest. Instead, they end up just as they were or even deeper in debt, which leaves them complaining that they aren't making enough money, leaving open the repetition of the cycle. Under ideal conditions, the government would have a fixed tax rate that would require a super-majority (that is 2 thirds of both houses) to change. The tax code should also be simplified. Currently it is thousands of pages long and full of special interest gimmicks and complicated tables and equations. It should be cut back to probably one or two simple pages like it started out as. Added to that would be a spending schedule required fixed percentages of the budget go to true governmental priorities like defense, infrastructure, courts and internal relations. After that would come a variable directed at paying debt. I would have this as: (interest due x 3 = N. Principle payment = N x 2.) Therefore, spending would be: fixed priorities, then N = (N x 2) followed by all else. This would keep the true functions of government funded adequately and the required servicing of the debt up front would force the politicians to minimize debt lest it consume all discretional spending allotments. The mandatory debt servicing would also force politicians and the public to see just how deeply the government was in debt, which would also force more balanced budgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 And you might be trading one set of problems for another, it's not perfect anywhere. I really like, though, how Brits are more tolerant of differences and eccentricity. I know they have their limit but it seems to be a lot higher than the tolerance level of America in general. America seems young, immature, short-sited and volatile in many respects, whereas Britain seems more mature, patient, tolerant and non-judgemental (in comparison).Of course I'm not in Britain day- to-day but that's also what some Brits tell me (though they don't normally say it to an American unless we tell them first how we don't like these things about Americans and even then they are hesitant). > > > > It is so frustrating and maddening how narrow Americans are. I > agree > > with Inger, move to England or Europe, if that's possible. This > > narrowness has caused me a lot of grief. Not knowing I was AS and > > thinking I didn't get socialized as a child and that I was just > > behind made me work superhumanly hard at trying to 'catch up' > > and 'get it'. It took years but now I can do it, and sadly part of > > the secret was finding that tiny, narrow window of acceptibility. > I'm > > not saying every Aspie can do it like I have and though it has > helped > > me to fit into society it does make me sick just how narrow this > > window is. You have to have the right tone of voice, say the right > > things in the exact right way, smile at the right times, frown at > the > > right times, have the proper facial and body gestures, don't be too > > smart, don't be too dumb, don't be too confident, don't be too > timid, > > don't be too soft, don't be too hard, etc. etc. Their allowance of > > differences only lets you go to the edge of this narrow window. And > > then they think, wow, you are very different, but we'll accept you. > > Arghhhh. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 In a message dated 1/18/2006 5:52:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rainbow@... writes: >: "I somehow managed to make it through mainstream school, but it certainly was not easy...." I kind of drifted through school not really paying that much attention to it. When I went to military school, things were easier in a way. Our days were planned for us and were basically all the same. The only real differences were that we had drill for 2 hours twice a week in the afternoons (Monday and Wednesday), Chapel on Thursday during morning break, Corps meetings on Friday during morning break and laundry day was Wednesday. Weekends were more open: Friday afternoon was free time (half day of class on Friday) and we had clean up call to quarters Friday after retreat (when the flag was taken down) After clean up CQ, we had free time until tattoo (around 10 PM I think it was, maybe later). Saturday morning we had some more clean up time then formal inspection. We dressed in Class A dress uniform, fell out for outdoor personal inspection then came inside to our rooms where each room was inspected. After that was lunch formation then free time until retreat formation about 6 PM and then free time until tattoo at around 10 PM. Sunday we had chapel followed by quiet hour then lunch. Most of the time we had free time until retreat which was followed by a little free time until study CQ was called. That was a two hour study time which was also had every night but Friday and Saturday nights. At the end of the year, starting the last weekend in April, we had Sunday parades. These were full dress parades starting a few hours after lunch. Most of us hated those things. It was no fun standing out there in the heat in full dress uniforms for up to 2 hours, but we did it. At least I was in the band most years and we marched a lot, which made it easier to deal with the heat. Anyway, social situations were also easier. Not only were we classified by rank, which gave a kind of order, but also by companies. Companies tended to pull together pretty well. There were of course the bums no one liked in each company, but most everyone would backup someone else from the company. Some rivalry did exist between companies, but this was mostly good natured stuff and nothing violent or harsh. It also helped that we all wore uniforms, which cut down a lot on showing off and such and that there were no girls, which really helped cut down on problems. Since there were no girls, there was none of the machismo showing off and beating people up to get their attention, basically all that public school nonsense that goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 >: "I somehow managed to make it through mainstream school, but it certainly was not easy...."Boy, does this thought bring back memories of just how very difficult it was for me to participate in round table discussions in school. I was always way too quiet in a class where a very few 'talkers' monopolized conversations to the detriment of my 'grades'. I always 'wanted' to speak up, but never seemed to be able to get a word in edgewise.  Rainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Well perhaps in some places in Britain, but 'times they are 'a' changing'. There seems to be a growing less tolerance - on the one hand we have people preaching tolerance and on the other it is almost like they expect everyone to be clones and fall into neat little catogories - people are not that way! To be just different is no longer accepted generally accepted. To be rich and different is eccentric - or to be different and 'arty' or gifted is accepted, but unfortunately many schools just seem to want clones that fit. > > > > Mmmmmmmmmmmm I'm not sure how good it is anywhere else? > > > > There does seem to be a growing awarness of AS, but also still a > lot > > of misconceptions. Where I am in the UK there are no adult services > > for people with AS - the children's side is slightly better - but > > still a lot of misunderstanding and still a long way to go :-( > > Predjudices still abound :-( > > > > I somehow managed to make it through mainstream school, but it > > certainly was not easy - but my son does not seem to be fareing any > > better at a special school - although there is no doubt that he > could > > not survive mainstream school as they just do not understand him > and > > write him off before they have even given him a chance (he went to > > two mainstream schools when younger - one forced him out and the > > other kicked him out) :-( > > > > Just thought beware the grass is greener, because it isn't always - > > that said - I would certainly seek out an area where perhaps there > is > > more understanding - but I am rather cynical with age and would > wait > > until I see it to believe it - some say they are understanding and > > then it turns out they are not (story of my life - 'shrug'). > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Ah, yes, the homogenization of the world by Western (American) standards. > > > > > > Mmmmmmmmmmmm I'm not sure how good it is anywhere else? > > > > > > There does seem to be a growing awarness of AS, but also still a > > lot > > > of misconceptions. Where I am in the UK there are no adult > services > > > for people with AS - the children's side is slightly better - but > > > still a lot of misunderstanding and still a long way to go :-( > > > Predjudices still abound :-( > > > > > > I somehow managed to make it through mainstream school, but it > > > certainly was not easy - but my son does not seem to be fareing > any > > > better at a special school - although there is no doubt that he > > could > > > not survive mainstream school as they just do not understand him > > and > > > write him off before they have even given him a chance (he went > to > > > two mainstream schools when younger - one forced him out and the > > > other kicked him out) :-( > > > > > > Just thought beware the grass is greener, because it isn't > always - > > > that said - I would certainly seek out an area where perhaps > there > > is > > > more understanding - but I am rather cynical with age and would > > wait > > > until I see it to believe it - some say they are understanding > and > > > then it turns out they are not (story of my life - 'shrug'). > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Just observations. I would say that each culture has it's good and bad points, though my point of view were I to find myself in certain male-dominated cultures, would not be so philosophical! I'm very interested in different cultures (and their foods)and have a lot of friends and aquaintances from different countries. I try to learn different points and ways of doing things from each, like taking my shoes off in the house as the Asians do, and washing my raw chicken in vinegar like the Jamaicans do, and only drinking good beer like the Irish and Germans do! > > > In a message dated 1/18/2006 12:45:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie0 > 1@... writes: > > And you might be trading one set of problems for another, it's not > perfect anywhere. I really like, though, how Brits are more tolerant > of differences and eccentricity. I know they have their limit but it > seems to be a lot higher than the tolerance level of America in > general. America seems young, immature, short-sited and volatile in > many respects, whereas Britain seems more mature, patient, tolerant > and non-judgemental (in comparison). > > > This also sounds a bit like cultural elitism. However, some of the Brits I > have talked to have said that all those things said about America also apply > over there. Like I said, it probably has to do with the class of people more > than anything else. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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