Guest guest Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 My son is seven and still does this! All it takes is someone to say hi or god forbid a baby makes a noise! The only people he talks to are people with small dogs! Since we just got our DX I am not sure what to do yet. Read the book The Stolen child. > > > > My ds will often get right in someones face and either scream or grit > > his teeth and scream or say nonsense words. He is three (almost four) > > and has done this on and off for quite some time. We think we have a > > relative who is also on the spectrum and he did this as well. Is this > > something NT kids do at this age or is it some kind of stim? > > > > Michele > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 My very typical, non-autistic sister would get in peoples faces, grit her teeth, growl, scream or say nonesense words many people when she was frustrated. It was her way of not physically reaching out and hitting someone or throwing something. It allowed her to vent without exploding physically. DantSolo@... wrote: My ds will often get right in someones face and either scream or grit> his teeth and scream or say nonsense words. He is three (almost four)> and has done this on and off for quite some time. We think we have a> relative who is also on the spectrum and he did this as well. Is this> something NT kids do at this age or is it some kind of stim? my guess is that it is either a stim or that your son wants to interact with people but does not know how. i do not believe it is a stage that NT children go through. i would suggest that you give your son an appropriate alternative...for example, have him say hi if he is verbal or wave if he is not verbal. or if this is with people he knows well, perhaps he can give a hug. as he gets older and gains more skills he should be able to find some more appropriate ways to approach others. I LOVE SOMEONE WITH AUTISM See what's free at AOL.com. Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 You're right, BJ, WOW! I have never had that experience. Every therapist we have ever had take checks and takes insurance. That seems like a very high amount per hour too. Is this the one in Issaquah? Is she supposed to be fantastic?? I'm sorry! Gretchen svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned because I don't know where we are going to come up with that kind of money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network coverage, but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 months. Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? Because if it is. . . WOW! BJ --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I would do one of those " credit card " switch deals where you take a check and deposit it in your acct (like for alot of money) and then transfer the balance to a zero interest card. That at least would give you the capital you need in cash, but I would certainly ask for references of ocd patients before investing that money. It's hard because you have to help your kids. It's like we all say, if they had cancer you wouldn't not get them treated because of money, but if they had cancer, there is so much sympathy and lots of people tend to chip in for treatment care when insurance is not an option. We've gone to so many fundraiser deals to help with dr costs, etc. in TN Gretchen Boone <gretaboone@...> wrote: You're right, BJ, WOW! I have never had that experience. Every therapist we have ever had take checks and takes insurance. That seems like a very high amount per hour too. Is this the one in Issaquah? Is she supposed to be fantastic?? I'm sorry! Gretchen svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned because I don't know where we are going to come up with that kind of money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network coverage, but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 months. Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? Because if it is. . . WOW! BJ --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a therapist. I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial intake evaluation. They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a fish with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will cover out of network. Imogene Is this normal? As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned because I don't know where we are going to come up with that kind of money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network coverage, but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 months. Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? Because if it is. . . WOW! BJ ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:11:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BJClosner@... writes: I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. BJ Honestly, I haven't been reading many posts the last few days - too much going on & it just seems to depress me lately. But, I did catch yours. Hmmmm... I must say, the whole situation stinks like yesterday's diapers. I would RUN not walk in the opposite direction. A medical professional that only accepts cash? Something ain't right there. LT ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 There are therapist around Atlanta that doesn't take insurance too and the first visit is 200 and then I think 150 later. I personally think you can find a WONDERFUL therapist who will take your insurance. We kept looking and it did take going through several therapist when we moved here but we finally have the best and both psychologist and psychiatrist take our insurance. One idea that we found works great is find a great psychologist and then let her or him recommend who they think you should use. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 " svdbyhislove " <BJClosner@...> wrote: > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. Sad but true we are in a similar situation. Our son's insurance (state run, as part of addoption assistance here in CA)doesn't cover the more available doctors. They will cover 15min. med appointments with Drs with huge caseloads. So we pay out of pocket and here in , CA we see a Pdoc that charges us $180 for 30-45 minutes. While she does take checks, (not sure on CC) she does not offer a " cash " rate. She is highly recomended, I think she is so-so, but really when it comes down to it, the care is more important than money, even when we have to give up a lot to get it. We will always cherish the strides our kids make and the knowledge we gain. We just can't go to judgement over the money, I know when I do it feels horrible, and nonproductive. Good luck to you in finding someone, hopefully a lot sooner than 3-4 months. I hope some " breaks " come your way soon!! Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 <<<but really when it comes down to it, the care is more important than money, even when we have to give up a lot to get it. We will always cherish the strides our kids make and the knowledge we gain. We just can't go to judgement over the money, I know when I do it feels horrible, and nonproductive.>>> So true, but you have to have the money to begin with in this situation too. No making payments with this. At least if your kid has a physical ailment, you can get the care and pay as you can. I guess we are just going to have to get creative and try to find a way, although in the mean time I think I will continue to make calls to see if I can find someone else that will work with us. I may be asking for too much. I don't know. Thanks for the input. BJ > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. > > Sad but true we are in a similar situation. Our son's insurance (state > run, as part of addoption assistance here in CA)doesn't cover the more > available doctors. They will cover 15min. med appointments with Drs > with huge caseloads. So we pay out of pocket and here in , CA we > see a Pdoc that charges us $180 for 30-45 minutes. While she does take > checks, (not sure on CC) she does not offer a " cash " rate. She is > highly recomended, I think she is so-so, but really when it comes down > to it, the care is more important than money, even when we have to > give up a lot to get it. We will always cherish the strides our kids > make and the knowledge we gain. We just can't go to judgement over the > money, I know when I do it feels horrible, and nonproductive. > > Good luck to you in finding someone, hopefully a lot sooner than 3-4 > months. I hope some " breaks " come your way soon!! > > Adrienne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Hi BJ, If she's in her own practice, or even a private one, I'm wondering have they just had too many bounced checks or something and take only cash. Credit cards - well, I know they have some type fee associated with them I think as some stores around here quit taking certain ones due to fees and not worth the trouble; so maybe it's something similar with her. Insurance - I know Dr. Penzel's practices website has an article by one doctor on why he won't accept managed care insurance plans - http://www.homestead.com/westsuffolkpsych/managed.html As to the fee - wow! is this a psychiatrist?? maybe it's just some initial eval fee, those are usually higher than the regular therapy outpatient rate. I think it's high if it's just for an everyday therapy rate. For a therapist, not a doctor, I think here it'd be around $80 to $100 an hour. LOL, who has wished to be $ rich! will settle for $$ left over between paychecks! > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that kind of > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network coverage, > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > thousand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Hi BJ Hi BJ I am in Canada and pay $150 to a psychologist for CBT, cash or cheque, we have no insurance (self employed) I am wondering if their might be any programs within a university, where a student psychologist is interning and supervised. We have that here and they use a sliding scale with $50 the max. fee. Also if you have a mental health facility/hospital near you, surely they must have a list of available doctors. Up here we can wait over a year to see a psychiatrist because they are covered by provincial health insurance, but psychologist are private insurance only and generally easier to see. Can't believe the difficulties you are encountering. As if dealing with everyday life with ocd/bipolar were not enough!!!! Big Hug! You are a great and dedicated Mum. Barb > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Hi BJ, I have to say I have come across a few who have not taken insurance, but they always were willing to at least take checks!! Hugs Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Won't be paying her a visit! I wonder why she charges so much. Gretchen svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: Is this the one in Issaquah? Is she supposed to be fantastic?? I'm sorry! Yeah, she is the one in Issaquah. Run, Gretchen. lol BJ > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that kind of > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network coverage, > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 months. > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > BJ > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Hi, BJ. Is this doctor a psychiatrist or a psychologist? Here in Los Angeles, it's not unusual for doctors to charge $200. The least I paid for a psychologist was $150; the highest $225. I paid $250 for a psychiatrist. I'm sure there are those who charge more; I never encountered anyone who charged less. All of them DID NOT take insurance. They gave me bills for me to file with my insurance so they didn't have to " deal " with the insurance companies themselves. And, my insurance paid about $20-$30 on those bills...shameful! They all took checks; some took credit cards. None required cash only. For tax purposes alone, I think it's best to write checks. Imogene had a good idea in looking into her credentials and references. Good luck! Judi On Apr 9, 2007, at 2:44 PM, imogeneyassi@... wrote: > I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a > therapist. > > I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a > very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I > did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial > intake evaluation. > > They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a fish > with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she > trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her > why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure > she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will > cover out of network. > > Imogene > > Is this normal? > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that kind of > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network coverage, > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 months. > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > BJ > > > __________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 To me, cash sounds like someone who also does not want to report her true income. Also, yes for tax purposes, you would want to have record of writing the check payments. Judi <jjohnson@...> wrote: Hi, BJ. Is this doctor a psychiatrist or a psychologist? Here in Los Angeles, it's not unusual for doctors to charge $200. The least I paid for a psychologist was $150; the highest $225. I paid $250 for a psychiatrist. I'm sure there are those who charge more; I never encountered anyone who charged less. All of them DID NOT take insurance. They gave me bills for me to file with my insurance so they didn't have to " deal " with the insurance companies themselves. And, my insurance paid about $20-$30 on those bills...shameful! They all took checks; some took credit cards. None required cash only. For tax purposes alone, I think it's best to write checks. Imogene had a good idea in looking into her credentials and references. Good luck! Judi On Apr 9, 2007, at 2:44 PM, imogeneyassi@... wrote: > I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a > therapist. > > I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a > very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I > did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial > intake evaluation. > > They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a fish > with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she > trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her > why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure > she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will > cover out of network. > > Imogene > > Is this normal? > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that kind of > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network coverage, > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 months. > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > BJ > > > __________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Is this doctor a psychiatrist or a psychologist? Hi, Judi. It is a psychologist. I'm hoping if I can find a good psychologist they can recommend a good psychiatrist, who knows the stuff. It seems like a lot to charge, much more than we've paid therapists in the past, then again, they didn't help him because they didn't know what they were doing with OCD, so that was like throwing money into a black hole. BJ > > > I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a > > therapist. > > > > I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a > > very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I > > did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial > > intake evaluation. > > > > They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a fish > > with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she > > trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her > > why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure > > she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will > > cover out of network. > > > > Imogene > > > > Is this normal? > > > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who > > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that kind of > > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network coverage, > > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 months. > > > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > > > BJ > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Is this doctor a psychiatrist or a psychologist? Hi, Judi. It is a psychologist. I'm hoping if I can find a good psychologist they can recommend a good psychiatrist, who knows the stuff. It seems like a lot to charge, much more than we've paid therapists in the past, then again, they didn't help him because they didn't know what they were doing with OCD, so that was like throwing money into a black hole. BJ > > > I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a > > therapist. > > > > I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a > > very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I > > did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial > > intake evaluation. > > > > They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a fish > > with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she > > trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her > > why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure > > she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will > > cover out of network. > > > > Imogene > > > > Is this normal? > > > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding someone who > > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that kind of > > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network coverage, > > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 months. > > > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > > > BJ > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 (((((((((LT)))))))))) Just because I can relate so much. Will say a prayer for you, Hon. Hope you are feeling better soon. BJ > > > In a message dated 4/9/2007 4:11:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > BJClosner@... writes: > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she charges > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also informed > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. > > > BJ > > Honestly, I haven't been reading many posts the last few days - too much > going on & it just seems to depress me lately. But, I did catch yours. > Hmmmm... I must say, the whole situation stinks like yesterday's diapers. I would > RUN not walk in the opposite direction. A medical professional that only > accepts cash? Something ain't right there. > LT > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Hi, BJ. The key for us was finding a person who treats OCD with exposure therapy. Whether that person is a psychiatrist or a psychologist, it doesn't matter. However, it's been my experience that psychologists are less expensive since they don't have the capability of prescribing medication. But, if you find someone, anyone, who understands OCD and uses ERP, they are well worth the money (as opposed to paying less and them not treating your child effectively). I spent way too much money on psychologists who felt that psychotherapy was the answer... and it just extended my son's torture with OCD as well as draining my pocket for no help at all. I can't remember if your child is on meds. My son needed medication to calm his thoughts enough to be able to even attempt ERP. It's very uncomfortable at first, but it really, really works. If your child needs meds, you'll need a psychiatrist. Who'd o' thunk that forcing anxious kids to face their greatest fears over and over again would really help them? Bless whomever they were because it works! Best, Judi On Apr 9, 2007, at 9:32 PM, svdbyhislove wrote: > Is this doctor a psychiatrist or a psychologist? > > Hi, Judi. It is a psychologist. I'm hoping if I can find a good > psychologist they can recommend a good psychiatrist, who knows the > stuff. > > It seems like a lot to charge, much more than we've paid therapists in > the past, then again, they didn't help him because they didn't know > what they were doing with OCD, so that was like throwing money into a > black hole. > > BJ > > > > > > > I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a > > > therapist. > > > > > > I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a > > > very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I > > > did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial > > > intake evaluation. > > > > > > They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a > fish > > > with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she > > > trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her > > > why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure > > > she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will > > > cover out of network. > > > > > > Imogene > > > > > > Is this normal? > > > > > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding > someone who > > > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > > > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she > charges > > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also > informed > > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > > > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that > kind of > > > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network > coverage, > > > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > > > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > > > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > > > > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 > months. > > > > > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > > > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > > > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 I've read a lot of books on how to confront OCD, but none of them specifically tell how to confront " intrusive thought " OCD, which is mostly what our son is dealing with. I have a new book on the way that discusses intrusive thought OCD, that a therapist recommended. I hope it has some good helpful information for us. We've had a couple of okay days, which is up from " bad " days. We increased his meds again about a week ago and I'm hoping it's because of that. Although I'm scared to hope. Because " Hope deferred makes the heart sick " (Pr. 13:12) So, so true. IF we can have an improvement, it will take the pressure off to jump into therapy as soon as possible with just anyone who say they might be able to help. Although if I could find someone, who truly knew what they were doing, and we could afford them, I would be so thrilled. I wish money was not an issue, but it is, because we need to eat too. Because I cannot work, due to health problems, we live off of one income and things can get tight. Someone in here said, if your child has cancer you wouldn't hesitate to treat them " . True, but our insurance would cover that without all the nonsense I'm encountering for this. Sometimes it seems there is a stigma attached to things that are labeled as mental illness. Whereas if you said my child has cancer, there would be a different and more supportive attitude from the medical community and friends and family. And more specialized help available too. There seem to be so few resources for OCD. . .anyway, out west here. I caught a commercial on tv the other day about Autism. 1 in 166 people have it. My thought were the odds are worse for OCD and you never hear about it. I'm not saying Autism isn't terrible, because it is. I was just surprised that there is such focus on it, and relatively none on OCD when more kids suffer with it. And yet, I suppose there is more help now than there used to be. Sorry, just having some rambling thoughts. <Need sleep> <grin> BJ > > > > > > > I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a > > > > therapist. > > > > > > > > I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a > > > > very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I > > > > did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial > > > > intake evaluation. > > > > > > > > They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a > > fish > > > > with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she > > > > trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her > > > > why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure > > > > she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will > > > > cover out of network. > > > > > > > > Imogene > > > > > > > > Is this normal? > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding > > someone who > > > > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > > > > > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she > > charges > > > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also > > informed > > > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > > > > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that > > kind of > > > > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network > > coverage, > > > > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > > > > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > > > > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > > > > > > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 > > months. > > > > > > > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > > > > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > > > > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 BJ, I made that comment on cancer and really what I meant is that you WOULD come up with a way to pay if there was a therapist that you KNEW could help your child -- but it's hard to put forth the money just to try and then be disappointed and the money just gone. If you knew that say for $5,000 you could get your child into therapy (like a lifetime plan!) and they would be done with the symptoms for the rest of their life based on what they learned - guaranteed - you would find a way to come up with it. We all would! But it is that trial and error that is so hard! It seems like there should be therapists out there now (world class) that could do video internet counseling or something like that. For instance, Dr. Chansky, say, should be able to sit in front of her webcam and talk to my son here in Tennessee in front of our web cam (not that we have one!) and help him in a weekly therapy session. Maybe we should pressure one of the good ones into this! I understand what you are going through. My child has bad thoughts ocd, too, and I did just order the book you posted about. Great point on the autism! I saw that commercial, too and my husband was there and he normally doesn't get too into all of this, but said, what in the world is going on?!!! in TN svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: I've read a lot of books on how to confront OCD, but none of them specifically tell how to confront " intrusive thought " OCD, which is mostly what our son is dealing with. I have a new book on the way that discusses intrusive thought OCD, that a therapist recommended. I hope it has some good helpful information for us. We've had a couple of okay days, which is up from " bad " days. We increased his meds again about a week ago and I'm hoping it's because of that. Although I'm scared to hope. Because " Hope deferred makes the heart sick " (Pr. 13:12) So, so true. IF we can have an improvement, it will take the pressure off to jump into therapy as soon as possible with just anyone who say they might be able to help. Although if I could find someone, who truly knew what they were doing, and we could afford them, I would be so thrilled. I wish money was not an issue, but it is, because we need to eat too. Because I cannot work, due to health problems, we live off of one income and things can get tight. Someone in here said, if your child has cancer you wouldn't hesitate to treat them " . True, but our insurance would cover that without all the nonsense I'm encountering for this. Sometimes it seems there is a stigma attached to things that are labeled as mental illness. Whereas if you said my child has cancer, there would be a different and more supportive attitude from the medical community and friends and family. And more specialized help available too. There seem to be so few resources for OCD. . .anyway, out west here. I caught a commercial on tv the other day about Autism. 1 in 166 people have it. My thought were the odds are worse for OCD and you never hear about it. I'm not saying Autism isn't terrible, because it is. I was just surprised that there is such focus on it, and relatively none on OCD when more kids suffer with it. And yet, I suppose there is more help now than there used to be. Sorry, just having some rambling thoughts. <Need sleep> <grin> BJ > > > > > > > I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a > > > > therapist. > > > > > > > > I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a > > > > very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I > > > > did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial > > > > intake evaluation. > > > > > > > > They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a > > fish > > > > with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she > > > > trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her > > > > why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure > > > > she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will > > > > cover out of network. > > > > > > > > Imogene > > > > > > > > Is this normal? > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding > > someone who > > > > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > > > > > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she > > charges > > > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also > > informed > > > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > > > > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that > > kind of > > > > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network > > coverage, > > > > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > > > > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > > > > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > > > > > > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 > > months. > > > > > > > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > > > > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > > > > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 , Hi. I knew what you meant about the cancer comment. And I do agree. We have to find a way to afford it. We may just have to take out a loan to be able to afford treatment for our son, which seems wrong. But if we have to, we have to. I just hope we can work it into our budget because we are still trying to pay off my last hospital stay, from a thing with my heart. Or, we may have to approach my husband's family for a loan. . . I don't know. . .One way or another we will figure it out. A friend of mine also had that idea (web cams). We worked with a psychiatrist from Seattle Children's Hospital years ago, when our son was first diagnosed with OCD, in that way. It was kind of cool, but not very personal. Although, it would still be helpful for those who do not have help available to them, so I wish it was an option. Mostly, we've found IF someone does work with children and know what they are doing, they are so busy and full that they don't need to offer that too. I have the book on the way too. I hope it is helpful. Intrusive thoughts are so hard to deal with. I hope it is helpful for us both. Hugs, BJ > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a > > > > > therapist. > > > > > > > > > > I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a > > > > > very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I > > > > > did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial > > > > > intake evaluation. > > > > > > > > > > They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a > > > fish > > > > > with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she > > > > > trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her > > > > > why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure > > > > > she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will > > > > > cover out of network. > > > > > > > > > > Imogene > > > > > > > > > > Is this normal? > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding > > > someone who > > > > > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > > > > > > > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she > > > charges > > > > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also > > > informed > > > > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > > > > > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that > > > kind of > > > > > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network > > > coverage, > > > > > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > > > > > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > > > > > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > > > > > > > > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > > > > > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > > > > > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > > > > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > > > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 I know what you mean. I'm sorry about your heart problems. I hope someone can help you. The one income stinks! I haven't worked since my son was little and I told my husband I'm not going back to work because the way things are going .... I'll probably have to homeschool all of them. Why get used to the extra income?!!! I swear that when I do go back to work someday, I am going to become a counselor, specializing in childhood ocd. I think everyone on this board should as our efforts to spread the word about this illness and provide good help! Wishing you the best. inTN svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: , Hi. I knew what you meant about the cancer comment. And I do agree. We have to find a way to afford it. We may just have to take out a loan to be able to afford treatment for our son, which seems wrong. But if we have to, we have to. I just hope we can work it into our budget because we are still trying to pay off my last hospital stay, from a thing with my heart. Or, we may have to approach my husband's family for a loan. . . I don't know. . .One way or another we will figure it out. A friend of mine also had that idea (web cams). We worked with a psychiatrist from Seattle Children's Hospital years ago, when our son was first diagnosed with OCD, in that way. It was kind of cool, but not very personal. Although, it would still be helpful for those who do not have help available to them, so I wish it was an option. Mostly, we've found IF someone does work with children and know what they are doing, they are so busy and full that they don't need to offer that too. I have the book on the way too. I hope it is helpful. Intrusive thoughts are so hard to deal with. I hope it is helpful for us both. Hugs, BJ > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, BJ, that you are having such a hard time finding a > > > > > therapist. > > > > > > > > > > I must say, $200/hour is NOT normal. We live in the Boston area, a > > > > > very high-priced place and therapists range from $125 to $175. I > > > > > did talk to one who was more, but that was just for the initial > > > > > intake evaluation. > > > > > > > > > > They all take checks. Most do not take credit cards. I smell a > > > fish > > > > > with this one. I would find out her credentials, i.e, where she > > > > > trained, how much experience she has, etc., and actually ask her > > > > > why she charges such a high fee. Also check her license. Make sure > > > > > she is really licensed and on the list the insurance company will > > > > > cover out of network. > > > > > > > > > > Imogene > > > > > > > > > > Is this normal? > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding > > > someone who > > > > > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > > > > > > > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she > > > charges > > > > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also > > > informed > > > > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > > > > > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that > > > kind of > > > > > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network > > > coverage, > > > > > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > > > > > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > > > > > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > > > > > > > > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > > > > > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > > > > > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > > > > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > > > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 I think that is an admirable aspiration ie: becoming a counselor specializing in childhood OCD. Even though I am faily new on this OCD journey - I've been thinking a lot about doing exactly that once my son is out of school. I'm a Registered Nurse so I am hoping I can use some credits towards becoming a counselor of some sort. I have to look into see exactly what is involved. Have you been reading my mind? I think your idea is a great idea! A in PA Is this normal? > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding > > > someone who > > > > > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > > > > > > > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she > > > charges > > > > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also > > > informed > > > > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > > > > > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that > > > kind of > > > > > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network > > > coverage, > > > > > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > > > > > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > > > > > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > > > > > > > > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > > > > > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > > > > > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > > > > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > > > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Yes, and then we can all get together at a training some day and meet in person! I don't mean that I think this is a good thing or a blessing or anything like that, but maybe we can take something from this trial to inspire us to do good works and help others. Often you don't know the need is there until you have personally experienced it. Kindest Regards, Allarie <rnherbal@...> wrote: I think that is an admirable aspiration ie: becoming a counselor specializing in childhood OCD. Even though I am faily new on this OCD journey - I've been thinking a lot about doing exactly that once my son is out of school. I'm a Registered Nurse so I am hoping I can use some credits towards becoming a counselor of some sort. I have to look into see exactly what is involved. Have you been reading my mind? I think your idea is a great idea! A in PA Is this normal? > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I've had a really tough time finding > > > someone who > > > > > knows what they are doing with OCD, who will treat kids. > > > > > > > > > > I finally found someone over 2 hours from our home, but she > > > charges > > > > > $200 a hour and doesn't take any insurance at all. She also > > > informed > > > > > me she doesn't take checks or credit cards. I'm sort of stunned > > > > > because I don't know where we are going to come up with that > > > kind of > > > > > money. I called our insurance and they offer out of network > > > coverage, > > > > > but the amount they will cover is ridiculously small (all the > > > > > reasonable and customary stuff) after a huge deductible (over a > > > > > thousand). I've never wished to be rich until now. > > > > > > > > > > On top of all that, she won't be able to get him in for 3-4 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > Have you all been running into therapists who charge so much, want > > > > > cash, and won't take insurance at all? Truly, is this normal? > > > > > Because if it is. . . WOW! > > > > > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > > > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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