Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 In a message dated 7/6/00 6:41:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, egroups writes: << IF things aren't going as he " planned " or if he doesn't understand, he tends to dump more. At least he knows what will happen (whatever will come flowing out of the cup, off the table, etc... and someone will come running, most likely yelling! What a great trick! S >> : You hit the nail over the head! It can also be called " control " .......when doesn't get his way, no one is paying attention to him at that SECOND (lol) or he doesn't understand something, he will " dump " the contents of his cup.....and he'll be looking right at you while he's doing it and run away when you start towards him....so he KNOWS it's wrong, but feels compelled to do it anyway....survival technique?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 throws his plate or bowl...of course, making sure it overturns on the way down. Then " yeeeaaaaahhhh! " and clapping and smiling. Ann with , and ps...I mop the floor a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 lmao mary, i have a dog and she doesnt like to lick sticky things.......but ashton does........ lmao gotta watch her or shell be licking spilled choc milk off floor instead of drinking from cup.....lmao leah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 > ps...I mop the floor a lot! > > Ann, Get a dog! We have 2, it really helps! S ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 we have a little one.....mamma's a pug, daddy's the Taco Bell dog (we think) she helps me out a lot....just doesn't do the bananas too well ha ha ha Ann with , and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Dumping is caused by a surgical procedure called a vagotomy, cutting the nerve that controls digestion and emptying ability of the stomach, and a pyloroplasty, cutting the muscle ring at the end of the stomach, causing the food to move more easily from the stomach to the intestines. These procedures are done with an esophagectomy. The symptoms are after eating you get bloated, rapid heart rate, lightheaded, falling blood pressure, explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, headache and sometimes vomiting. You feel as though you have to lie down for about an hour. Then 3-4 hours after eating the symptoms come back this time with falling blood sugar. This is all caused by rapid stomach emptying. The intestines like a controlled amount of food passed into it. When it gets a large amount all at once, the intestines pull fluid from the body to try to "water down" the food that it gets. This rapid shift of fluid causes the symptoms. The food entering the intestine quickly causes a rapid release of insulin to help combat the rapid rise in blood sugar. This rapid rise of blood sugar is short-lived and the insulin continues to be distributed causing the fall in blood sugar 4 hours after eating. There is also a component of an inability to absorb certain vitamins and minerals as well as dehydration. The only treatment is eating 6 small meals a day, do not drink fluid with meals, multivitamins, drink plenty of fluid, stay away from sugars, vegetable pectin before meals and try to maintain a healthy weight. Joe dumping when you say "dumping" is that vomiting? Cathey__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Rapid gastric emptying, or dumping syndrome, happens when the lower end of the small intestine (jejunum) fills too quickly with undigested food from the stomach. "Early" dumping begins during or right after a meal. Symptoms of early dumping include nausea, vomiting, bloating, diarrhea, and shortness of breath. "Late" dumping happens 1 to 3 hours after eating. Symptoms of late dumping include weakness, sweating, and dizziness. Many people have both types. I have the "Late" variety which usually happpens about 1-2 hours after a meal. Stomach surgery is the main cause of dumping syndrome because surgery may damage the system that controls digestion. Eating 3-4 small meals a day seems to help this situation. Fitzgerald dumping when you say "dumping" is that vomiting? Cathey__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2001 Report Share Posted August 17, 2001 , Do you have any more information on this topic? This happened to me last night. I am trying to figure out if I did anything to make this happen. I did have a big meal, but did not do anything out of the ordinary. Is this harmful to you? - -----Original Message-----From: Fitzgerald [mailto:edfitz65@...]Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 1:32 PMachalasia Subject: Re: dumping Rapid gastric emptying, or dumping syndrome, happens when the lower end of the small intestine (jejunum) fills too quickly with undigested food from the stomach. "Early" dumping begins during or right after a meal. Symptoms of early dumping include nausea, vomiting, bloating, diarrhea, and shortness of breath. "Late" dumping happens 1 to 3 hours after eating. Symptoms of late dumping include weakness, sweating, and dizziness. Many people have both types. I have the "Late" variety which usually happpens about 1-2 hours after a meal. Stomach surgery is the main cause of dumping syndrome because surgery may damage the system that controls digestion. Eating 3-4 small meals a day seems to help this situation. Fitzgerald dumping when you say "dumping" is that vomiting? Cathey__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2001 Report Share Posted August 17, 2001 , This is a further explanation of what I sent the other day. There are a number of medical sites that can perhaps give you more information. If you use google.com as your search engine and type dumping syndrome you will get a long list of sites that attempt to explain the syndrome. I would however be selective about the source of the site. http://www.google.com PHYSIOLOGY OF DUMPING SYNDROME Dumping syndrome is usually divided into "early" and "late" phases - the two phases have separate physiologic causes and will be described separately. In practical fact, a patient usually experiences a combination of these events and there is no clear-cut division between them.Early dumping is caused by the high osmolarity of simple carbohydrates in the bowel. The various types of sugar all have small molecules, so that a gram of (for example) sucrose has MANY more molecules than a gram of protein, creating a higher concentration (number of molecules per cc) from simple sugars than from other foods. This matters because, inside the body, fluid shifts will generally go toward the higher concentration of molecules. So, if a patient consumes a bite of milk chocolate (lots of sugar), when it gets to the Roux limb it will quickly "suck" a significant amount of fluid into the bowel. This rapid filling of the small bowel causes it to be stretched (which causes cramping pain). This also causes the activation of hormonal and nerve responses that cause the heart to race (palpitations) and cause the individual to become clammy and sweaty. Vomiting or diarrhea may follow as the intestine tries to quickly rid itself of this "irritant."Late dumping has to do with the blood sugar level. The small bowel is very effective in absorbing sugar, so that the rapid absorption of a relatively small amount of sugar can cause the glucose level in the blood to "spike" upward. The pancreas responds to this glucose challenge by "cranking up" its output of insulin. Unfortunately, the sugar that started the whole cycle was such a small amount that it does not sustain the increase in blood glucose, which tends to fall back down at about the time the insulin surge really gets going. These factors combine to produce hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) which causes the individual to feel weak, sleepy, and profoundly fatigued.Late dumping is the mechanism by which sugar intake can create low blood sugar, and it is also a way for gastric bypass patients to get into a vicious cycle of eating. If the patient takes in sugar or a food that is closely related to sugar (simple carbohydrates like rice, pasta, potatoes) they will experience some degree of hypoglycemia in the hour or two after eating. The hypoglycemia stimulates appetite, and it's easy to see where that is going....The reason that sugar does not cause dumping in non-operated people is that the stomach, pancreas, and liver work together to prepare nutrients (or sugar) before they reach the small intestine for absorption. The stomach serves as a reservoir that releases food downstream only at a controlled rate, avoiding sudden large influxes of sugar that can occur after a Roux-en-Y. The released food is also mixed with stomach acid, bile, and pancreatic juice to control the chemical makeup of the stuff that goes downstream and avoid all the effects outlined above.Obviously, surgeons consider dumping syndrome to be a beneficial effect of gastric bypass - it seems to be important to provide quick and reliable negative feedback for intake of the "wrong" foods. In practice, most patients do NOT experience full-blown dumping more than once or twice. Most simply say that they have "lost their taste" for sweets. Of course, this is always a great topic to ask patients about directly, so you may want to ask about it at our support group in person, or in a support group online. From: Fitzgerald [mailto:edfitz65@...]Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 1:32 PMachalasia Subject: Re: dumping --- Original Message ----- From: Edenfield 'achalasia ' Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:24 AM Subject: RE: dumping , Do you have any more information on this topic? This happened to me last night. I am trying to figure out if I did anything to make this happen. I did have a big meal, but did not do anything out of the ordinary. Is this harmful to you? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Typically foods high in fat and high in simple sugars cause dumping syndrome in the bariatric patient. Janette RD, LD Mercy Center for Weight Reduction 603 E 12th st Des Moines, IA 50309 P 515-643-0532 F 515-643-0939 E jhoward@... From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of marina savelyeva Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: dumping Hello! I have a question about dumping syndrome. Can patients " dump " on alchohol,fresh fruit,no added sugar yougurt? What foods may cause dumping?Thank you! Marina Savelyeva, R.D.  Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 Hi , So many of us deal with constipation. For me I take 1 scoop of Miralax every morning in my protein drink. I have been doing this for 2 years now and it works like magic. Try this if you want. It has no taste or flavor so it is easy to mix it in anything you are drinking. Suzanne In a message dated 12/2/2010 10:04:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, terriertamer@... writes: How awful. Have you tried eating prunes everyday? I did not have severe constipation like you but still constipated. 2 prunes a day has cured me. Also increase water and walking. Both help. On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:24 AM, wrote: Well I think I juts had my first look at what everyone is calling dumping. I have been suffering from severe constipation since surgery. In Oct. I wa s admitted to hospital for it and was given Lactulose to help. I can't stand the taste as it is very sweet (man made suger solution) and things seemed to be woking again so I stopped. Well I had another bout of constiaption and my doctor said Latulose is the best for what's going on with me. So Wednesday I took 15mls and this morning I took my 15mls and that's when it happened. I thought I was going to throw up my whole body shook and I thought I was going to pass out. My breathing was very rapid and I started to sweet. Holy did that freak me out.Dumping was the only thing I could think of just from everyones posts on the boards about it. All I can say is that I never want to experience that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 Well I think I juts had my first look at what everyone is calling dumping. I have been suffering from severe constipation since surgery. In Oct. I was admitted to hospital for it and was given Lactulose to help. I can't stand the taste as it is very sweet (man made suger solution) and things seemed to be woking again so I stopped. Well I had another bout of constiaption and my doctor said Latulose is the best for what's going on with me. So Wednesday I took 15mls and this morning I took my 15mls and that's when it happened. I thought I was going to throw up my whole body shook and I thought I was going to pass out. My breathing was very rapid and I started to sweet. Holy did that freak me out.Dumping was the only thing I could think of just from everyones posts on the boards about it. All I can say is that I never want to experience that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 How awful. Have you tried eating prunes everyday? I did not have severe constipation like you but still constipated. 2 prunes a day has cured me. Also increase water and walking. Both help. On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:24 AM, wrote:Well I think I juts had my first look at what everyone is calling dumping. I have been suffering from severe constipation since surgery. In Oct. I was admitted to hospital for it and was given Lactulose to help. I can't stand the taste as it is very sweet (man made suger solution) and things seemed to be woking again so I stopped. Well I had another bout of constiaption and my doctor said Latulose is the best for what's going on with me. So Wednesday I took 15mls and this morning I took my 15mls and that's when it happened. I thought I was going to throw up my whole body shook and I thought I was going to pass out. My breathing was very rapid and I started to sweet. Holy did that freak me out.Dumping was the only thing I could think of just from everyones posts on the boards about it. All I can say is that I never want to experience that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 Yep, that's what it was. I use Miralax as highly recommended from doctors and patients. It has no taste. You can put it in anything liquid. I drink a lot of Lipton diet Green Tea, so I put it in there and shake well and drink. You don't taste the Miralax. Sounds like the stuff you took is way too much sugar for your system. Your doctor should realize that with your WLS that you might be intolerate of sugars. Get the Miralax and take half an evelope a day, or 1 whole one every other day. You'll be fine with that. Drink a lot of fluids, water and whatever else you can get down. I know it's a horrible feeling, but it's just a feeling, no damage occurs from dumping. If I get off balance and feel it coming up, I pop 1/4 mg. Xanax and that slows the adrenaline rush down. That's the only thing I found that nips it in the bud, so to speak. > > Well I think I juts had my first look at what everyone is calling dumping. I have been suffering from severe constipation since surgery. In Oct. I was admitted to hospital for it and was given Lactulose to help. I can't stand the taste as it is very sweet (man made suger solution) and things seemed to be woking again so I stopped. Well I had another bout of constiaption and my doctor said Latulose is the best for what's going on with me. So Wednesday I took 15mls and this morning I took my 15mls and that's when it happened. I thought I was going to throw up my whole body shook and I thought I was going to pass out. My breathing was very rapid and I started to sweet. Holy did that freak me out.Dumping was the only thing I could think of just from everyones posts on the boards about it. All I can say is that I never want to experience that again. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 Jo Did you ever find out what those pills are called? Thanks From: phine Carioti <jvcarioti@...> Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 12:51:10 PMSubject: RE: Dumping I had some problems with constipation and bought some pills at Walmart all natural and took three and it wokked every time. What I would now is take one each day and when I really got bound up I take three and when you go you go. I will look tonight and tell you the correct name it sure helped me as I tried everything.Jo From: terriertamer@...Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:41:13 -0700Subject: Re: Dumping How awful. Have you tried eating prunes everyday? I did not have severe constipation like you but still constipated. 2 prunes a day has cured me. Also increase water and walking. Both help. On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:24 AM, wrote: Well I think I juts had my first look at what everyone is calling dumping. I have been suffering from severe constipation since surgery. In Oct. I was admitted to hospital for it and was given Lactulose to help. I can't stand the taste as it is very sweet (man made suger solution) and things seemed to be woking again so I stopped. Well I had another bout of constiaption and my doctor said Latulose is the best for what's going on with me. So Wednesday I took 15mls and this morning I took my 15mls and that's when it happened. I thought I was going to throw up my whole body shook and I thought I was going to pass out. My breathing was very rapid and I started to sweet. Holy did that freak me out.Dumping was the only thing I could think of just from everyones posts on the boards about it. All I can say is that I never want to experience that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 So ok I'm not dumb however being that this is a topic of discussion, I'll just ask so I have confirmation! So I sometimes don't go for like 2-3 weeks and it of course makes you feel puffy and fat and just man you can't fit into your new cute skin tight jeans now LOL so before the surgery I loved ice cream that was my treat of choice! Now my tummy don't like it so if I have it, it's like a bite and that happens like 1x in 3 mo if that HOWEVER I now, and didn't before, have a major jones for candy, like i'm 5 again! Does anyone else have these awful issue? So I never had this issue before of not going and I've been using benefiber in everything i drink, I'm eating oatmeal (read oats are good for this issue) fiber bars... so why is it that now after the surgery this problem is happening? I'm concerned because I CAN NOT GO unless I use a laxative and i don't want to become dependent on them cuz then that's it i'll have to use that forever my body won't just do it on it's own! HELP ME PLEASE Oh so how is benefiber different from this other stuff I've seen mentioned? Dumping is when you eat to fast and too much and make your food move from the pouch (your new tummy) into the intenstines to quickly correct? A friend had bypass and said that's what that meant i always thought it was a bathroom issue.... > > > > > > Well I think I juts had my first look at what everyone is calling dumping. I have been suffering from severe constipation since surgery. In Oct. I was admitted to hospital for it and was given Lactulose to help. I can't stand the taste as it is very sweet (man made suger solution) and things seemed to be woking again so I stopped. Well I had another bout of constiaption and my doctor said Latulose is the best for what's going on with me. So Wednesday I took 15mls and this morning I took my 15mls and that's when it happened. I thought I was going to throw up my whole body shook and I thought I was going to pass out. My breathing was very rapid and I started to sweet. Holy did that freak me out.Dumping was the only thing I could think of just from everyones posts on the boards about it. All I can say is that I never want to experience that again. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Hello everyone....I have been reading all these post about constipation after this surgery with most of us.....but is there anyone else out there like me that has not had one solid bowel movement since surgery and I go 3 to 4x a day if not more. I am not having any medical problems with it but I was just wondering if anyone else was dealing with this. thanks kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I think I juts had my first look at what everyone is calling > dumping. I have been suffering from severe constipation since surgery. In Oct. I > was admitted to hospital for it and was given Lactulose to help. I can't > stand the taste as it is very sweet (man made suger solution) and things > seemed to be woking again so I stopped. Well I had another bout of constiaption > and my doctor said Latulose is the best for what's going on with me. So > Wednesday I took 15mls and this morning I took my 15mls and that's when it > happened. I thought I was going to throw up my whole body shook and I thought > I was going to pass out. My breathing was very rapid and I started to > sweet. Holy did that freak me out.Dumping was the only thing I could think of > just from everyones posts on the boards about it. All I can say is that I > never want to experience that again. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 How long ago was your surgery?On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:10 PM, <ichefmastersgirl@...> wrote: Â Hello everyone....I have been reading all these post about constipation after this surgery with most of us.....but is there anyone else out there like me that has not had one solid bowel movement since surgery and I go 3 to 4x a day if not more. I am not having any medical problems with it but I was just wondering if anyone else was dealing with this. thanks kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Hey Kathy - odd. I have no problems with anything. I slam a Muscle Milk in the morning for breakfast, eat a small lunch and maybe a small dinner or soup and that's about it. Yeah, I still have M & M's once in awhile, but if anything, I find myself more or less, going normally but not everyday, more like every 3rd day. Let me know if anyone feels like this. ann marie From: <ichefmastersgirl@...> Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 12:10:04 PMSubject: Re: Dumping Hello everyone....I have been reading all these post about constipation after this surgery with most of us.....but is there anyone else out there like me that has not had one solid bowel movement since surgery and I go 3 to 4x a day if not more. I am not having any medical problems with it but I was just wondering if anyone else was dealing with this.thankskathy> > > > > > > > > > > > Well I think I juts had my first look at what everyone is calling > dumping. I have been suffering from severe constipation since surgery. In Oct. I > was admitted to hospital for it and was given Lactulose to help. I can't > stand the taste as it is very sweet (man made suger solution) and things > seemed to be woking again so I stopped. Well I had another bout of constiaption > and my doctor said Latulose is the best for what's going on with me. So > Wednesday I took 15mls and this morning I took my 15mls and that's when it > happened. I thought I was going to throw up my whole body shook and I thought > I was going to pass out. My breathing was very rapid and I started to > sweet. Holy did that freak me out.Dumping was the only thing I could think of > just from everyones posts on the boards about it. All I can say is that I > never want to experience that again. > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Bipley 9 months ago this month. Ann Marie girl how ya doing? I am doing great looking into getting some plastic surgery done this spring. Very happy with all my progress with a total loss of 130 lbs ( that is pre and post band totals). Glad you liked the muscle milk it is one of my favorites too. Kathy > > > > > > > Hello everyone....I have been reading all these post about constipation > > after this surgery with most of us.....but is there anyone else out there > > like me that has not had one solid bowel movement since surgery and I go 3 > > to 4x a day if not more. I am not having any medical problems with it but I > > was just wondering if anyone else was dealing with this. > > > > thanks > > kathy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Girl I have kept up with my martial arts, the gym, and I don't need any skin removal surgery. I am down to 175 pounds...thats about 15 pounds off my goal weight of 160. I am good, the diet is good, and anybody reading this....LIFE IS GOOD....it's a Jeep thing!! LOL From: <ichefmastersgirl@...> Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 6:17:01 PMSubject: Re: Dumping Bipley 9 months ago this month.Ann Marie girl how ya doing? I am doing great looking into getting some plastic surgery done this spring. Very happy with all my progress with a total loss of 130 lbs ( that is pre and post band totals). Glad you liked the muscle milk it is one of my favorites too.Kathy> > >> >> > Hello everyone....I have been reading all these post about constipation> > after this surgery with most of us.....but is there anyone else out there> > like me that has not had one solid bowel movement since surgery and I go 3> > to 4x a day if not more. I am not having any medical problems with it but I> > was just wondering if anyone else was dealing with this.> >> > thanks> > kathy> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Hi Kathy, My personal experience is all OVER the place! Sometimes I am mildly constipated (I can go but its not easy), other times normal, and then there is the " don't trust a fart! " times!!! I have NO idea what causes the differences. Cheryl* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 For me I find that my body just feels so much better if I have a BM everyday. So that is why Miralx is my answer to this issue, I was like some of you and I would go for 3 days and not have one. Once I found Miralax to solved all my problems. It is so easy and safe to use. I just mix it with my protein drink each morning. It is just part of my daily routine. Take care everyone, Suzanne In a message dated 1/4/2011 9:37:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, boernecheryl@... writes: Hi Kathy,My personal experience is all OVER the place! Sometimes I am mildly constipated (I can go but its not easy), other times normal, and then there is the "don't trust a fart!" times!!! I have NO idea what causes the differences.Cheryl* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Suzanne, Do you use a stool softner as well as the Miralx? Do you find you have to drink alot of water? I am just 3 months post op and still struggle to get the fluids in me and have really bad consipation. I can't seem to go on my own and have to use Ducolax to help me have a BM. Any advice? Thanks From: "SuzanneSH@..." <SuzanneSH@...> Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 1:07:11 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dumping For me I find that my body just feels so much better if I have a BM everyday. So that is why Miralx is my answer to this issue, I was like some of you and I would go for 3 days and not have one. Once I found Miralax to solved all my problems. It is so easy and safe to use. I just mix it with my protein drink each morning. It is just part of my daily routine. Take care everyone, Suzanne In a message dated 1/4/2011 9:37:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, boernecheryl@... writes: Hi Kathy,My personal experience is all OVER the place! Sometimes I am mildly constipated (I can go but its not easy), other times normal, and then there is the "don't trust a fart!" times!!! I have NO idea what causes the differences.Cheryl* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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