Amount of protein needed

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I've noticed questions & answers here lately about how much protein a

person can digest in one meal and the answer has universally

been " about 30 grams. " Now, understand that I am, by job and by

nature, a researcher. ;o) I've never heard this " rule " so I decided to

see if I could find a definitive answer. Turns out, there isn't one.

There's too many variables like weight, muscle work (lifting weights),

type of protein (drinks vs a steak, for instance), *when* you consume

the protein... Basically, there's no firm fast rule of thumb.

I found this article with what appears to be good information from a

reliable source. If it helps anyone, good! If not, well, like I've

found in multiple places, do what works for you. )

http://www.fitstep.com/articles/nutrition/affiliate/protein-faq.htm

in AR

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Hi ...Wow... several things here.First of all, here is the limited bio on the author:>>Nick Nilsson is Vice-President of the online personal training company BetterU, Inc. He has a degree in Physical Education and Psychology and has been inventing new training techniques for more than 16 years. Nick is the author of a number of bodybuilding eBooks including " Metabolic Surge - Rapid Fat Loss, " " The Best Exercises You've Never Heard Of, " " Gluteus to the Maximus - Build a Bigger Butt NOW! " and " The Best Abdominal Exercises You've Never Heard Of " all available at (http://hop.clickbank.net/?xxxxx/betteru). He can be contacted at betteru@....<<He's a bodybuilder with education in gym class and psych, nothing at all about medicine or nutrition.

When I first had surgery I had a ton of questions too regarding protein and I went searching on line and I found every possible opinion there was. Everyone varies in how much to consume vs. which type to consume.

I finally started talking to nutritionists and another person, a gentleman by the name of at OH, he has his masters in Fittness and I *think* nutrition. I can double check on that.The real key here is that we are not your standard everyday people, we are obese. We have a massive amount of weight to lose and when you lose a lot of weight you WILL lose muscle mass. It isn't a question of IF you will lose muscle mass, it is a question of how much muscle mass will you lose. The idea here is to not lose too much muscle mass. Of course, the more muscle mass you have the faster you will burn fat.

The way to maintain muscle is two ways, protein and weight resistance.There are a few comments in his article that doctors seem to disagree with:>>There are many who suggest your body can't digest and use more than 30 to 40 grams of protein at a time. I've not seen convincing research on it to say if that's true or not.<<According to nutritionists that specialize in obesity issues and bariatric surgeons your body does not absorb more than about 25gms of protein at a time. Should we believe a bodybuilder over someone who trained and works in the field of medicine?

>>2. It's better to have more than you need than not enough when you need it. After a workout, I take in about 60 grams of whey protein, simply because, even if my body can't use it all, I'd prefer to have a little bit more than not have enough, which would slow down recovery.<<No, it is not better to have more than you need. Protein is food item and any food in excess packs on pounds. If you don't absorb it in muscle it is excess calories and you'll absorb it in fat so you'll have to exercise more to burn it off.

>>Only if you already have trouble with your kidneys. No studies have demonstrated damage to the kidneys with increased protein intake unless the kidneys are already damaged.<<Doctors disagree with this claim.One thing you have to be really careful about is getting info from bodybuilders. They all have their own ideas and opinions about protein, they don't worry about a lot of excess calories, they usually believe more is better, and they have different body types and requirements than we do. Their primary goal is to gain body mass and our primary goal is to lose body mass. When it comes to nutritional issues they have a whole different set of goals as well.

Personally, I'd stick with what the nutritionists and bariatric surgeons suggest.On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 3:53 PM, eeliegirl <eelie@...> wrote:

I've noticed questions & answers here lately about how much protein a

person can digest in one meal and the answer has universally

been " about 30 grams. " Now, understand that I am, by job and by

nature, a researcher. ;o) I've never heard this " rule " so I decided to

see if I could find a definitive answer. Turns out, there isn't one.

There's too many variables like weight, muscle work (lifting weights),

type of protein (drinks vs a steak, for instance), *when* you consume

the protein... Basically, there's no firm fast rule of thumb.

I found this article with what appears to be good information from a

reliable source. If it helps anyone, good! If not, well, like I've

found in multiple places, do what works for you. )

http://www.fitstep.com/articles/nutrition/affiliate/protein-faq.htm

in AR

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Hey bip! )

You've given some good feedback to my link post. Like I said at the

end of mine, we're all different and we do what we find works best

for us. Thing is, I tend to want to verify information I see bandied

about and when I started seeing a certain number about protein grams

coming up, I was curious and went trying to find out about it.

Nearly everything I found was from folks into bodybuilding. I freely

admit that their physiology is vastly different from an obese WLS

patient.

I will offer my opinion about that particular feller in that I

believe someone trained in fitness and psychology has, very likely,

more than just a smattering of nutrition in their education. And,

from the way he phrases his answers, he seems to have tried to keep

abreast of current studies. This is why I elected to post a link to

his site rather than several others because they had *no* credentials

to speak of.

Thing is, I have yet to find much about protein intake as it relates

to obesity and WLS. Mostly, it seems to be generic information that

is simply repeated from one site to the next. Personally, I'm doing

well with the recommendations from Dr. Aceves and see no reason to

change. I rarely intake more than 25 grams of protein at a time

anyway, but that's a personal choice. )

in AR