Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Hi Ted, I should have been more specific but the reference in the manual is on page 62 (see below for short excerpt); Most electronic devices produce electromagnetic fields. Headset cables, like antennae, pick them up. Common sources of interference include: • radio and TV transmission towers • mobile phone towers • shopping centre and airport security systems • some digital mobile phones • battery chargers • fl uorescent lighting • mains power boards The electromagnetic interference (EMI) will be no louder than your programmed levels and will neither hurt you nor damage your speech processor. If you still hear buzzing or distorted speech, turn off your speech processor, take off your coil and consult your clinician. N31018F Iss1D03textmas.indd 62 24/05/2005 4:15:39 PM I know I have another document that has a bit more detail but I will have to find it, I will look tonight it is not on my computer so I might have to scan it for you. I know the above is pretty vague, but I did ask our Cochlear Area manager about this when I met her the first time (it was in the Toronto Airport actually and I was about to board a flight) and I was told this has always been a concern of patients, however there has NEVER been a processor failure that could be traced to an Airport or store security scanner - and that is not just the Cochlear brand as far as she could say NO Processor of any Brand has failed or been damaged by a security scanner. I know that is not scientific proof and I still think twice about it, but I do feel better after having asked, and I did try it with my tCoil on the last trip I made and noticed a slight increase in buzz but it was less than I get from a normal CRT computer monitor so the scanners must be set pretty low as far as EMI emissions go. Hope this answers your question, but regardless for the amount of time it takes to go around or take off the processor it is not that big of a deal anyway, and in some airports it is faster to go through the manual check by showing your card so either way it is always your choice. Regards Mike " Ears Hopin " P Implanted June 3rd, 2005 Activated July 6th, 2005 Nucleus Freedom Posted by: " Ted F. " HYPERLINK " mailto:ted.fletcher@...?Subject= Re%3A%20HI%20EVERYONE " ted.fletcher@... HYPERLINK " tedfthis " tedfthis Tue Aug 1, 2006 6:47 am (PST) Hello , I dont suppose you know what page its on in the Freedom manual do you, please? I've just had a quick flick through it and couldnt find it. I have a seperate fold out sheet headed Warnings and Precautions and I cant see anything about airport scanners in that either. It does mention turning the processor off on take off and landings, but only in this small open out brochure, I couldnt find that in the manual either. I would like to see it in black and white from Cochlear saying that it is safe to walk through the scanners, before I would risk it. I will keep it turned on, on the plane though. Ted F. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Thanks, . I found it, its on Page 63 in my manual, the Aussie one might be slightly different to yours. But the wording is the same as you quoted. Its odd that its in the manual that the electrmagnetic field " will neither hurt you nor damage your speech processor. " and yet when I emailed Cochlear, their Rep said " Your Nucleus Freedom Document Pack which you would have received at the time of your switch on contains a " Warning and Precautions " document. This details the possible impacts when passing through airport metal detectors etc. " That was the pullout leaflet thing I mentioned and it doesnt actually mention anything about the airport scanners, just that some airlines might ask you to turn off your processor on take-off and landings. So presumably the info in the manual itself is pretty clear, that it is safe to wear it and walk through the scanner, without fear of any damage to ones self or ones processor. I'll still err on the side of caution on my way to my sons though, but seeing as I have a mapping session booked 2 days after I get back, I will throw all caution to the wind and walk through with it on, on my way back. Thanks again, for locating that for me, I'm sure it is of use to others too, because its there in black and white, in the Manual. Oddly enough, I also downloaded a copy of the Freedom manual to my computer and it only has 56 Pages :-). Incidentally, what we are talking about is on Page 49 in the downloaded manual under the heading: 5. Electromagnetic Interference. I dont know how to copy and paste out of a PDF doc or I would have copied it, but its the same as you quoted. Ted F. > > Hi Ted, > > I should have been more specific but the reference in the manual is > on page 62 (see below for short excerpt); > > Most electronic devices produce electromagnetic fields. > Headset cables, like antennae, pick them up. Common sources > of interference include: > • radio and TV transmission towers > • mobile phone towers > • shopping centre and airport security systems > • some digital mobile phones > • battery chargers > • fl uorescent lighting > • mains power boards > The electromagnetic interference (EMI) will be no louder > than your programmed levels and will neither hurt you nor > damage your speech processor. If you still hear buzzing or > distorted speech, turn off your speech processor, take off > your coil and consult your clinician. > N31018F Iss1D03textmas.indd 62 24/05/2005 4:15:39 PM > > Regards > Mike " Ears Hopin " P > Implanted June 3rd, 2005 > Activated July 6th, 2005 > Nucleus Freedom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Hi Ted, I went for a mapping today and asked the Cochlear rep about this as I hope to travel overseas next month. Anyway she said ask to have airport security wand you because some people have found after walking through the metal detector and experiencing the beep that sounds are a bit funny for a while. She also said that with take off the amount of interference to airline systems depends on the airline and the model of the plane. With some planes there won't be any interference and staff have been trained to tell you whether to leave it on or turn it off on take off based on what airplane it is. So she recommended that I talk to a staff member on board. I imagine this won't be an issue with Qantas but if you are traveling with an obscure regional Siberian airline then they might not have the training?? I was really happy today because at my last mapping I ordered an FM cable for my FM system and it wasn't there today due to a miscommunication at Cochlear. The rep apologized to me and said because of this that there would be no charge for this item. Severe/profoundly deaf since birth Lost residual hearing October 2005 Approved for CI March 2006 Surgery 9th June 2006 Activation 29th June 2006 _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ted F. Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Airport Scanners Thanks, . I found it, its on Page 63 in my manual, the Aussie one might be slightly different to yours. But the wording is the same as you quoted. Its odd that its in the manual that the electrmagnetic field " will neither hurt you nor damage your speech processor. " and yet when I emailed Cochlear, their Rep said " Your Nucleus Freedom Document Pack which you would have received at the time of your switch on contains a " Warning and Precautions " document. This details the possible impacts when passing through airport metal detectors etc. " That was the pullout leaflet thing I mentioned and it doesnt actually mention anything about the airport scanners, just that some airlines might ask you to turn off your processor on take-off and landings. So presumably the info in the manual itself is pretty clear, that it is safe to wear it and walk through the scanner, without fear of any damage to ones self or ones processor. I'll still err on the side of caution on my way to my sons though, but seeing as I have a mapping session booked 2 days after I get back, I will throw all caution to the wind and walk through with it on, on my way back. Thanks again, for locating that for me, I'm sure it is of use to others too, because its there in black and white, in the Manual. Oddly enough, I also downloaded a copy of the Freedom manual to my computer and it only has 56 Pages :-). Incidentally, what we are talking about is on Page 49 in the downloaded manual under the heading: 5. Electromagnetic Interference. I dont know how to copy and paste out of a PDF doc or I would have copied it, but its the same as you quoted. Ted F. > > Hi Ted, > > I should have been more specific but the reference in the manual is > on page 62 (see below for short excerpt); > > Most electronic devices produce electromagnetic fields. > Headset cables, like antennae, pick them up. Common sources > of interference include: > . radio and TV transmission towers > . mobile phone towers > . shopping centre and airport security systems > . some digital mobile phones > . battery chargers > . fl uorescent lighting > . mains power boards > The electromagnetic interference (EMI) will be no louder > than your programmed levels and will neither hurt you nor > damage your speech processor. If you still hear buzzing or > distorted speech, turn off your speech processor, take off > your coil and consult your clinician. > N31018F Iss1D03textmas.indd 62 24/05/2005 4:15:39 PM > > Regards > Mike " Ears Hopin " P > Implanted June 3rd, 2005 > Activated July 6th, 2005 > Nucleus Freedom > __________ NOD32 1.1687 (20060801) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 maybe its not your CI, Maybe it is just those Aussies talk funny anyway! Smile! > > > > Hi Ted, > > > > I should have been more specific but the reference in the manual is > > on page 62 (see below for short excerpt); > > > > Most electronic devices produce electromagnetic fields. > > Headset cables, like antennae, pick them up. Common sources > > of interference include: > > . radio and TV transmission towers > > . mobile phone towers > > . shopping centre and airport security systems > > . some digital mobile phones > > . battery chargers > > . fl uorescent lighting > > . mains power boards > > The electromagnetic interference (EMI) will be no louder > > than your programmed levels and will neither hurt you nor > > damage your speech processor. If you still hear buzzing or > > distorted speech, turn off your speech processor, take off > > your coil and consult your clinician. > > N31018F Iss1D03textmas.indd 62 24/05/2005 4:15:39 PM > > > > Regards > > Mike " Ears Hopin " P > > Implanted June 3rd, 2005 > > Activated July 6th, 2005 > > Nucleus Freedom > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1687 (20060801) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Hello I'll be a guinea pig for you :-) I'm flaying Virgin Blue from The Gold Coast to Sydney and they fly all modern planes, so I wont be turning the processor when onboard, unless threatened :-). After reading what it says in the Freedom manual, I'm quite confident that nothing would happen to me or the processor if I walked through the airport scanner while wearing it. However, it will be the first time I have seen my son, daughter-in-law abd grandchildren since the operation, so I dont want to take even the slightest risk, on the way there. Coming back I will be bolder and just walk straight through, I'll let you know if there are any bells and sirens, or any ill effects to me of the processor. I'm coming back early Monday morning and have another mapping session on Wednesday, so even if the worst happened, which I'm not expecting, it wouldnt be a major drama. Good news about the FM freeby :-) How is your new map, what speed are you using? How long are you batteries lasting you? I have been keeping a check and my last two lots of three batteries have lasted a little over 19 hours, I'm using the 2400 speed. Ted F. > > Hi Ted, > I went for a mapping today and asked the Cochlear rep about this as > I hope to travel overseas next month. Anyway she said ask to have > airport security wand you because some people have found after > walking through the metal detector and experiencing the beep that > sounds are a bit funny for a while. > > She also said that with take off the amount of interference to > airline systems depends on the airline and the model of the plane. > With some planes there won't be any interference and staff have > been trained to tell you whether to leave it on or turn it off on > take off based on what airplane it is. So she recommended that I > talk to a staff member on board. I imagine this won't be an issue > with Qantas but if you are traveling with an obscure > regional Siberian airline then they might not have the training?? > > > > I was really happy today because at my last mapping I ordered an FM > cable for my FM system and it wasn't there today due to a > miscommunication at Cochlear. The rep apologized to me and said > because of this that there would be no charge for this item. > > > > > > > > Severe/profoundly deaf since birth > > Lost residual hearing October 2005 > > Approved for CI March 2006 > > Surgery 9th June 2006 > > Activation 29th June 2006 > > _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 G'day DJ Some of us talk funnier than others, I was born in the UK and have been in Australia for 36 years and still have a thick Brummie (Birmingham UK) accent. Now can we get onto who mangles the language best. Fanny and suspenders have a completely different meaning over here :-). Ted F. > > maybe its not your CI, Maybe it is just those Aussies talk funny > anyway! Smile! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Good luck Ted and hope you have a great time with the family. It's tipping with rain here in Sydney at the moment so I hope it doesn't last all weekend for you (what am I saying?? We have a drought!) As for my map I am still on 1800 herz. I'm really happy with the speech perception but would like to see more clarity in background sounds which hopefully will come over the next few months. In all, a very massive improvement over what I had before! My batteries are lasting for about 24 hours. I'm thinking about going to the bodyworn for home stuff. > Hello > > I'll be a guinea pig for you :-) > > I'm flaying Virgin Blue from The Gold Coast to Sydney and they fly > all modern planes, so I wont be turning the processor when onboard, > unless threatened :-). > > After reading what it says in the Freedom manual, I'm quite confident > that nothing would happen to me or the processor if I walked through > the airport scanner while wearing it. However, it will be the first > time I have seen my son, daughter-in-law abd grandchildren since the > operation, so I dont want to take even the slightest risk, on the way > there. > > Coming back I will be bolder and just walk straight through, I'll let > you know if there are any bells and sirens, or any ill effects to me > of the processor. I'm coming back early Monday morning and have > another mapping session on Wednesday, so even if the worst happened, > which I'm not expecting, it wouldnt be a major drama. > > Good news about the FM freeby :-) > How is your new map, what speed are you using? > How long are you batteries lasting you? > I have been keeping a check and my last two lots of three batteries > have lasted a little over 19 hours, I'm using the 2400 speed. > > Ted F. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Hello , thanks. I'm back home. I told them at the scanners that I had a C.I. and would prefer to be hand scanned. I had to take my shoes off as well, this isn't something that's common in Australia, but I suppose that when you walk through the checking point, it would show up if you had metal in your shoes. The bloke didn't hand scan me, he patted me down. Just my luck not to score a dolly bird to do this :-). It took a few minutes longer and I had to put my name on a form and sign it. The flight was uneventful, I still couldn't make much sense of the onboard messages, but I think people with normal hearing have problems with some of them, too. When I arrived in Sydney it was still raining cats and dogs, I didn't get bitten, but I did get soaked. I had to take my processor off and put it in my pocket and make a dash for the car. Its cold in Sydney at this time of the year, as you know, so I didn't pack my dry and store. I was able to hear all of my family better and I'm sure it was less stressful for all of us. I used my programme with the autosensitivity, in the car and I was able to hear some of what my daughter-in-law said, even though I had my back to her as she was in the back seat. At various times over the weekend, there was lots of noise in the room, as you would expect with a 13 and an 8 year old playing music and computer games, but I was still able to hold conversations, this is something I wouldn't have been able to do, pre C.I. Knowing that I had a new mapping due this week, I threw all caution to the wind, coming back through the airport. I just turned my processor to one of my back up programmes and walked straight through the scanner without even as much as a buzz. It didn't affect my Freedom in any way and didn't alter the sound at all. I kept it switched on, onboard the plane both ways, without any problems. So in future I will have no fear of anything happening to me or my processor when I walk through the airport security scanners. Ted F. > > Good luck Ted and hope you have a great time with the family. It's > tipping with rain here in Sydney at the moment so I hope it doesn't > last all weekend for you (what am I saying?? We have a drought!) > > > > > > Hello > > > > I'll be a guinea pig for you :-) > > > > I'm flaying Virgin Blue from The Gold Coast to Sydney and they fly > > all modern planes, so I wont be turning the processor when > > onboard, unless threatened :-). > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Ted, What was your family's reaction to you hearing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 They were quite amazed at how much difference it had made in such a short time, . My son gave me his old mobile phone. We rang another phone in the house with it and he went and answered the other phone and I could hear him OK. I have still been avoiding the phone, but it seems like there are phones out there I can use OK. Ted F. > > Ted, > What was your family's reaction to you hearing? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 >Hi Val, That same issue crossed my mind last night while watching the news. I dont think it will affect the cast kiddos too much. I hope they dont make a big to do about the brace kiddos though. Especially, the young ones. It would be awful to try and remove the brace for proper pat down, then put it back on with a huge line in back of you. 2 days after 911 Liv was in cast and all they did was take extra time looking at the cast and then just did the swab deal to see if it indicated any explosive material. It went fairly smooth, just a bit annoying. I understand and agree that we must be more thorough in our searches to prevent another 911, but I couldnt have put a paper thin bomb under Livs cast if I was forced to by gun point. It would have been physically impossible... I think just patting her down a bit and the scanner would have been good. But no, every time we go through an airport we get special attention. Probably the wheelchair I request every time, for Liv (not me). Which helps us bypass the long lines as Liv cant stand around too long for that. Hi! With all of the discussion about the airport scanners (and pat-downs), > I was just wondering what everyone's experience has been with the kids' > casts and braces? > > > ~, 's mom > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 We've had mostly good experiences with the cast- twice we have asked to be moved to the front of a long line so we didn't miss the plane for a medical appointment and the airline employee took us straight to the desk.We also get early boarding passes at the gate. We just show them the cast and that does it. I always tell them in security that he is wearing a cast and they always call someone over and swab it and his hands- it takes just a few minutes. Once they didn't know who to call (a male for a male child) and it got hairy, but 15 minutes later we were on our way. Heidi, Bexon's Mommy, (3 years old, in 8th cast from Salt Lake City Shriners, currently down from 62 degrees to 20 in cast. You can read Bexon's Story on www.GirltoMom.com)From: "heather@..." <heather@...>infantile scoliosis treatment Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 7:17:15 AMSubject: Re: Airport scanners >Hi Val, That same issue crossed my mind last night while watching the news. I dont think it will affect the cast kiddos too much. I hope they dont make a big to do about the brace kiddos though. Especially, the young ones. It would be awful to try and remove the brace for proper pat down, then put it back on with a huge line in back of you. 2 days after 911 Liv was in cast and all they did was take extra time looking at the cast and then just did the swab deal to see if it indicated any explosive material. It went fairly smooth, just a bit annoying. I understand and agree that we must be more thorough in our searches to prevent another 911, but I couldnt have put a paper thin bomb under Livs cast if I was forced to by gun point. It would have been physically impossible... I think just patting her down a bit and the scanner would have been good. But no, every time we go through an airport we get special attention. Probably the wheelchair I request every time, for Liv (not me). Which helps us bypass the long lines as Liv cant stand around too long for that. Hi! With all of the discussion about the airport scanners (and pat-downs), > I was just wondering what everyone's experience has been with the kids' > casts and braces? > > > ~, 's mom > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 With the old system, nothing has happened to us. They have never paid any special attention to . I am a little worried about this new system though. He will not stand in their little tube without me in there and they are not going to be able to do a full body pat down either. I fly out on December 11th, I will let everyone know what we go through then. Wish us luck cause I am going all by myself this time.Beth RettingerMother of In Third Cast From SLCFrom: NIck Guthe <nickguthe@...>Subject: Re: Airport scannersinfantile scoliosis treatment Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 1:10 PM We've had mostly good experiences with the cast- twice we have asked to be moved to the front of a long line so we didn't miss the plane for a medical appointment and the airline employee took us straight to the desk.We also get early boarding passes at the gate. We just show them the cast and that does it. I always tell them in security that he is wearing a cast and they always call someone over and swab it and his hands- it takes just a few minutes. Once they didn't know who to call (a male for a male child) and it got hairy, but 15 minutes later we were on our way. Heidi, Bexon's Mommy, (3 years old, in 8th cast from Salt Lake City Shriners, currently down from 62 degrees to 20 in cast. You can read Bexon's Story on www.GirltoMom.com)From: "heather@..." <heather@...>infantile scoliosis treatment Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 7:17:15 AMSubject: Re: Airport scanners >Hi Val, That same issue crossed my mind last night while watching the news. I dont think it will affect the cast kiddos too much. I hope they dont make a big to do about the brace kiddos though. Especially, the young ones. It would be awful to try and remove the brace for proper pat down, then put it back on with a huge line in back of you. 2 days after 911 Liv was in cast and all they did was take extra time looking at the cast and then just did the swab deal to see if it indicated any explosive material. It went fairly smooth, just a bit annoying. I understand and agree that we must be more thorough in our searches to prevent another 911, but I couldnt have put a paper thin bomb under Livs cast if I was forced to by gun point. It would have been physically impossible... I think just patting her down a bit and the scanner would have been good. But no, every time we go through an airport we get special attention. Probably the wheelchair I request every time, for Liv (not me). Which helps us bypass the long lines as Liv cant stand around too long for that. Hi! With all of the discussion about the airport scanners (and pat-downs), > I was just wondering what everyone's experience has been with the kids' > casts and braces? > > > ~, 's mom > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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