Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 , perhaps can answer this question. He was born deaf, grew up talking with the use of his hearing aids. He is doing marvelous with his CI from the stories he shared with us and he gives examples of what he is hearing with the CI. A. In a message dated 1/3/2006 5:30:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, prdavies@... writes: What about a child that was born deaf but has learned to talk with hearing aids? Do the disadvantages of being pre-lingually deaf still apply to them even though they learned to talk with hearing aids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 What about a child that was born deaf but has learned to talk with hearing aids? Do the disadvantages of being pre-lingually deaf still apply to them even though they learned to talk with hearing aids? The term prelingually deaf covers a wide range of situations from children who never talk or learn spoken language through to those who talk very well and sound as if they might be normally hearing. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth Ward Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:51 AM Subject: postlingual , You are exactly correct. Postlingual means after language has developed. I'm not sure on the cut off age, but I do know it's best for children to be implanted before age six because the window for language development closes around that time making it more difficult to learn a second language or develop a first one. Of course, implantation before age 2 is considered optimal for a child born profoundly deaf. Beth The mere imparting of information is not education. Above all things, the effort must result in making a man think and do for himself.-- G. Woodson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 and , That's a profound question. I know I've had the cards stacked against my favor having been born profoundly deaf, without access to a hearing aid till I was about 5 years of age, but fortunately put in a preschool class at Gallaudet College when they were starting to realize the advantages of early education for deaf toddlers in 1964-5. Looking back, I think because of early exposure to language at that time -- and having excellent (and strict!) English teachers who would pounce on every single grammatical mistake in my answers or essays in class, I got the tools necessary to follow classes, compete with hearing peers, and apply to colleges and dental schools, etc. I'm now starting to realize the difference between the frequency of a sound and the loudness/softness of a sound -- at a year post-activation. Starting auditory therapy last week gave me some new information that the " t " in 'don't' is silent when people say " I don't think.... I don't want... " -- they sound like " I doanthink " or " I doanwant " -- I would be trying to listen to the " t " in the " don't " words -- that kind of thing that hearing people take for granted -- and have to think hard about when I complain that I can't hear the middle of the words " I don't think " or " I don't want " (when in actuality, the middle parts are dropped!). I think for an older prelingually deaf person, getting implanted, it takes *longer* and *longer* for this prelingually deaf person to grasp and acquire the concept of " hearing " as an equally valid sense as vision, and to start thinking of his/her hearing as a new " fifth sense " . Previously one would be aware/subsconsciously accepting that one only had four senses to function in a five-sense world. I feel myself changing/expanding every day -- a struggle to add my fifth sense's sensations every day to my four senses -- and my brain laying down new neural pathways as a result. (I do agree that the earlier one gets implanted, it's easier to learn new things. I need not add more here, since it's proven in research.) I apologize for a wordy response, but there you go. Thanks for the opportunity to expound tonight. Best, Chris prelingually profoundly deaf, aged 44 activated 12/2005 On 1/3/06, and Davies <prdavies@...> wrote: > What about a child that was born deaf but has learned to talk with hearing > aids? Do the disadvantages of being pre-lingually deaf still apply to them > even though they learned to talk with hearing aids? > > > > The term prelingually deaf covers a wide range of situations from children > who never talk or learn spoken language through to those who talk very well > and sound as if they might be normally hearing. > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > Beth Ward > Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:51 AM > > Subject: postlingual > > > > , > You are exactly correct. Postlingual means after language has developed. > I'm not sure on the cut off age, but I do know it's best for children to be > implanted before age six because the window for language development closes > around that time making it more difficult to learn a second language or > develop a first one. Of course, implantation before age 2 is considered > optimal for a child born profoundly deaf. > > Beth > > The mere imparting of information is not education. Above all things, the > effort must result in making a man think and do for himself.-- G. > Woodson > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi That was a great response thanks. I am pre-lingually deaf as well but started off with aids at 2.5 years and did well with them. It will be interesting to see if I can hear sounds with a cochlear implant that were previously not discernable to me. The sound I most struggled with before I lost my residual hearing in the left ear was " Sh " and " Ch " e.g. Share and Chair. If I am concentrating hard I can pick it out but certainly not off the cuff. I often confuse people by pronouncing one or the other in a similar way. But other than that I am not aware of any other difficulty with sound. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lehfeldt Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: postlingual and , That's a profound question. I know I've had the cards stacked against my favor having been born profoundly deaf, without access to a hearing aid till I was about 5 years of age, but fortunately put in a preschool class at Gallaudet College when they were starting to realize the advantages of early education for deaf toddlers in 1964-5. Looking back, I think because of early exposure to language at that time -- and having excellent (and strict!) English teachers who would pounce on every single grammatical mistake in my answers or essays in class, I got the tools necessary to follow classes, compete with hearing peers, and apply to colleges and dental schools, etc. I'm now starting to realize the difference between the frequency of a sound and the loudness/softness of a sound -- at a year post-activation. Starting auditory therapy last week gave me some new information that the " t " in 'don't' is silent when people say " I don't think.... I don't want... " -- they sound like " I doanthink " or " I doanwant " -- I would be trying to listen to the " t " in the " don't " words -- that kind of thing that hearing people take for granted -- and have to think hard about when I complain that I can't hear the middle of the words " I don't think " or " I don't want " (when in actuality, the middle parts are dropped!). I think for an older prelingually deaf person, getting implanted, it takes *longer* and *longer* for this prelingually deaf person to grasp and acquire the concept of " hearing " as an equally valid sense as vision, and to start thinking of his/her hearing as a new " fifth sense " . Previously one would be aware/subsconsciously accepting that one only had four senses to function in a five-sense world. I feel myself changing/expanding every day -- a struggle to add my fifth sense's sensations every day to my four senses -- and my brain laying down new neural pathways as a result. (I do agree that the earlier one gets implanted, it's easier to learn new things. I need not add more here, since it's proven in research.) I apologize for a wordy response, but there you go. Thanks for the opportunity to expound tonight. Best, Chris prelingually profoundly deaf, aged 44 activated 12/2005 On 1/3/06, and Davies <prdavies@...> wrote: > What about a child that was born deaf but has learned to talk with hearing > aids? Do the disadvantages of being pre-lingually deaf still apply to them > even though they learned to talk with hearing aids? > > > > The term prelingually deaf covers a wide range of situations from children > who never talk or learn spoken language through to those who talk very well > and sound as if they might be normally hearing. > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > Beth Ward > Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:51 AM > > Subject: postlingual > > > > , > You are exactly correct. Postlingual means after language has developed. > I'm not sure on the cut off age, but I do know it's best for children to be > implanted before age six because the window for language development closes > around that time making it more difficult to learn a second language or > develop a first one. Of course, implantation before age 2 is considered > optimal for a child born profoundly deaf. > > Beth > > The mere imparting of information is not education. Above all things, the > effort must result in making a man think and do for himself.-- G. > Woodson > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 , Once you get your perfect MAPping, you'll be aware that the most distinctive consonants that you'll hear with your CI will be the " sh " and " s " sounds, and then the rest, including " ch " and " f " and " th " . That's where auditory therapy comes in, and is vitally important for successful use of the CI, for prelingually deaf people. I only speak for myself -- the difference between what I could " hear " in the first month and a year later is in light years! Granted, I don't have speech comprehension, that wasn't one of my expectations (they were realistic) -- I wanted to hear better, without feedback, without earmolds, and stop using analog hearing aids -- but I am finding that lipreading is more effortless, I'm asking people to repeat less often, and I'm gaining confidence in speaking for myself and being understood more. Chris On 1/3/06, and Davies <prdavies@...> wrote: > Hi > > > > That was a great response thanks. I am pre-lingually deaf as well but > started off with aids at 2.5 years and did well with them. It will be > interesting to see if I can hear sounds with a cochlear implant that were > previously not discernable to me. The sound I most struggled with before I > lost my residual hearing in the left ear was " Sh " and " Ch " e.g. Share and > Chair. If I am concentrating hard I can pick it out but certainly not off > the cuff. I often confuse people by pronouncing one or the other in a > similar way. But other than that I am not aware of any other difficulty > with sound. > > > > > > _____ > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > Lehfeldt > Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2006 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: postlingual > > > > and , > > That's a profound question. I know I've had the cards stacked against > my favor having been born profoundly deaf, without access to a hearing > aid till I was about 5 years of age, but fortunately put in a > preschool class at Gallaudet College when they were starting to > realize the advantages of early education for deaf toddlers in 1964-5. > > Looking back, I think because of early exposure to language at that > time -- and having excellent (and strict!) English teachers who would > pounce on every single grammatical mistake in my answers or essays in > class, I got the tools necessary to follow classes, compete with > hearing peers, and apply to colleges and dental schools, etc. > > I'm now starting to realize the difference between the frequency of a > sound and the loudness/softness of a sound -- at a year > post-activation. Starting auditory therapy last week gave me some new > information that the " t " in 'don't' is silent when people say " I don't > think.... I don't want... " -- they sound like " I doanthink " or " I > doanwant " -- I would be trying to listen to the " t " in the " don't " > words -- that kind of thing that hearing people take for granted -- > and have to think hard about when I complain that I can't hear the > middle of the words " I don't think " or " I don't want " (when in > actuality, the middle parts are dropped!). > > I think for an older prelingually deaf person, getting implanted, it > takes *longer* and *longer* for this prelingually deaf person to grasp > and acquire the concept of " hearing " as an equally valid sense as > vision, and to start thinking of his/her hearing as a new " fifth > sense " . > > Previously one would be aware/subsconsciously accepting that one only > had four senses to function in a five-sense world. I feel myself > changing/expanding every day -- a struggle to add my fifth sense's > sensations every day to my four senses -- and my brain laying down new > neural pathways as a result. (I do agree that the earlier one gets > implanted, it's easier to learn new things. I need not add more here, > since it's proven in research.) > > I apologize for a wordy response, but there you go. Thanks for the > opportunity to expound tonight. > > Best, Chris > > prelingually profoundly deaf, aged 44 > activated 12/2005 > > On 1/3/06, and Davies <prdavies@...> wrote: > > What about a child that was born deaf but has learned to talk with hearing > > aids? Do the disadvantages of being pre-lingually deaf still apply to > them > > even though they learned to talk with hearing aids? > > > > > > > > The term prelingually deaf covers a wide range of situations from children > > who never talk or learn spoken language through to those who talk very > well > > and sound as if they might be normally hearing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > > Beth Ward > > Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:51 AM > > > > Subject: postlingual > > > > > > > > , > > You are exactly correct. Postlingual means after language has developed. > > I'm not sure on the cut off age, but I do know it's best for children to > be > > implanted before age six because the window for language development > closes > > around that time making it more difficult to learn a second language or > > develop a first one. Of course, implantation before age 2 is considered > > optimal for a child born profoundly deaf. > > > > Beth > > > > The mere imparting of information is not education. Above all things, the > > effort must result in making a man think and do for himself.-- G. > > Woodson > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 , I have had my CI for almost four months and can now hear the finer parts of speech. Auditory therapy twice a week is helping me learn to hear with my CI and I'm loving it. It is hard work and understanding speech without lipreading do not come instantly at hook up for people like me. I was have lived with a severe/profound loss all of my life and heard with the help of hearing aids and lipreading. Yes, I can hear sh, ch, c, s, k, t, p, etc. Lipreading is becoming less of an effort for me but I still need it. Laurie in TN Born with Severe/Profound hearing loss Implanted with Freedom 08/30/05 Activated 09/20/2005 _http://lauriescidance.blogspot.com_ (http://lauriescidance.blogspot.com/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 You folks can routinely hear SH, CH and S? I cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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