Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Hi Judy, I had some popping but I did not get any sound, of course I was totally deaf before the implant so that would be expected, I know the N24CA implant was designed to protect any residual hearing a person had, and I have seen others post that they do notice some hearing after surgery so you could be one of the lucky ones who did retain what residual hearing you had, lets hope so ;-)) I think if there is some residual hearing it should benefit in your adapting to the CI, but that is just speculation on my part, maybe you can fill us in on that point. Best of luck to you... Regards Mike " Ears Hopin " P Implanted June 3rd, 2005 Activated July 6th, 2005 Nucleus Freedom Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:56:59 -0500 From: " Judy G. " <judy40@...> Subject: Strange sound I am ten days post-op with the CI. I noticed that my ear would feel full (as though on an airplane) and when I yawned I could feel it " un- pop. " I was just having lunch, chewing and talking to my hubby (not a nice habit), when my ear popped and my voice got very loud. It also sounded balanced as though sound was coming into both ears. It was just for a second and I tried to make it happen again. From what I know, all hearing disappears from the implanted ear until activated. Has anyone every experienced that? I found it really strange. Judy in Jax -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/232 - Release Date: 1/17/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Ray, I had no idea that someone with residual hearing could have it preserved and have a CI implanted. That's fascinating. Is this new? Could you hear/understand speech with the HA prior to the CI? And one more question, can you try to describe the differences in how speech sounds with the HA and CI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Hi, I have just signed up to the list having been implanted 2 months ago with the MedEl medium electrode designed to preserve residual hearing. I have substantial residual hearing below 1kHz. I too noticed a return of hearing when I inflated my ears post op and my residual hearing has returned albeit with attenuation. However, the quality of the hearing has been disturbed in that the low notes are ok but medium ones >250Hz are shifted in pitch by about a semi-tone sharp. Speech is distorted compared to the residual hearing in my unimplanted ear. I can't say that I recognise speech using the implant alone but friends are begining to say I am replying appropriately without lipreading them using both hi's and implant, which I would not have done pre-implant. I would like to know if anybody has similar experience with the quality of their preserved hearing. (Yes I know, I am very lucky to have the hearing preserved as well as it is!). Regards, Ray G Implanted 17 Nov 2005 Activated 1 Dec 2005 MedEl PULSAR with combi40+ (getting DUET_EAS on 1 Feb) ear > > Hi Judy, > > I had some popping but I did not get any sound, of course I was > totally deaf before the implant so that would be expected, I know the > N24CA implant was designed to protect any residual hearing a person > had, and I have seen others post that they do notice some hearing > after surgery so you could be one of the lucky ones who did retain > what residual hearing you had, lets hope so ;-)) I think if there is > some residual hearing it should benefit in your adapting to the CI, > but that is just speculation on my part, maybe you can fill us in on > that point. > > Best of luck to you... > > Regards > Mike " Ears Hopin " P > Implanted June 3rd, 2005 > Activated July 6th, 2005 > Nucleus Freedom > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:56:59 -0500 > From: " Judy G. " <judy40@b...> > Subject: Strange sound > > I am ten days post-op with the CI. I noticed that my ear would feel > full (as though on an airplane) and when I yawned I could feel it " un- > > pop. " I was just having lunch, chewing and talking to my hubby (not > > a nice habit), when my ear popped and my voice got very loud. It > also sounded balanced as though sound was coming into both ears. It > > was just for a second and I tried to make it happen again. From what > > I know, all hearing disappears from the implanted ear until > activated. > > Has anyone every experienced that? I found it really strange. > > Judy in Jax > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/232 - Release Date: > 1/17/2006 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Ray, That is really fascinating. How long has it been since your implant? I have never really appreciated music except songs at church and Christmas songs; that kind of thing. I could hear music but I didn't enjoy it in terms of concerts or listening to the radio. I hope the process continues to enable you to process more and more of what you hear. in SC in process of hopefully becoming a CI candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 , MedEl have sponsored a study on this. The work started in the late 1990's. Its not linked on their web page yet but try http://www.medel.com/ENG/INT/30_Advanced_topics/999_eas.asp I think about 50+ patients have been implanted but the surgical technique is different to a normal implant and is still being refined. I was unsuitable for the study because I lost 15dB at low frequencies over the past year and my 1kHz was 55dB. I needed to be within 10 dB and >60 db at 1 kHz. I am >95dB at all frequencies above 1.5kHz and my word recognition was 34% best aided and 27% without aids so I decided to go ahead and I was lucky enough for the UK NHS to have agreed to pay. With hearing aids I could only follow speech with lipreading (but so well that very few people realised I was severly deaf). I also enjoy classical music (chamber and solo rather than big orchestral). I started to lose the high frequencies about 40 years ago and this has occured in steps with sudden increases in tinittus rather like your recent experience. I have a 360 degree insertion which means the implant stimulates the bit of the cochlear that normally hears sounds >1kHz. My map starts at 380Hz and finishes about 8kHz so what was heard before as a low/middle frequency is heard higher up. Speech through the CI sounds rather like a whispering, the voiced part is missing. My brain has forgotten what all the high frequency sounds mean over the past 40 years but there is a tremendous richness of information present, not all pleasant but now I know why people screw up their faces when I scrape my fork on the plate. I expect it is just a matter of time and practice to sort things out. My HA on the other hand only has the voiced part with no consonant sounds but my brain adds the consonants (not always the right ones though). With the CI, my brain cannot add the consonants but has to relearn to associate the new sounds appropriately. Hopefully, this will be quicker once the combined HA/CI processor is fitted. It is more usual to insert the electrodes for 1.5 to 2 turns into the cochlear except where the object is to preserve the lower frequency hearing. This should enable lower frequency sensations and speech may have a more natural voiced quality (others can comment on this). My son was born deaf and implanted at 2y5m (totaly different cause of deafness!) so I already had extensive knowledge and experience of what to expect. Now 14y, he has nornal speech and can sing simple melodies. Music through the CI and my preserved hearing is problematical but I am very glad I have some residual hearing in my other ear that still enables me to enjoy it. I hope this helps. EAS is definitely experimental but if it proves successful it could help a lot of people who do not qualify for CIs because they do not want to lose their residual hearing. The disadvantage is not being able to have a full length electrode inserted (at the present state of the art). I hope this helps. Best wishes, Ray G > > Ray, > I had no idea that someone with residual hearing could have it preserved > and have a CI implanted. That's fascinating. Is this new? Could you > hear/understand speech with the HA prior to the CI? And one more question, can you try > to describe the differences in how speech sounds with the HA and CI? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Ray, I really got a clear picture of what you are experiencing with what you wrote. I have friends who lost their hearing after growing up with music being a huge part of their lives and I would hurt for them even though I never experienced that kind of love for music. It doesn't surprise me that you chose to have the CI done in hopes that you would be able to enjoy music again rather than for understanding speech. For me, it is understanding speech. The idea that I *might* not have to use so much " brain energy " to lipread what with all the guessing and filling in the blanks that it takes. That would be the ideal result for me. I am a bit anxious (well, really anxious to be honest) about how I'll deal with all the sounds I will hear such as silverware clicking and paper rustling and such. But I think I can learn to deal with that esp if I get to rely less on lipreading. That would be worth it completely. But I'm also tempering this excitement with the fact that it may not end up being ideal. Yet, anything will be better than what I hear now: nothing at all. in SC in process of hopefully becoming a CI candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Hi , I believe the hybrid implant was designed to try and preserve residual hearing. Jim > > Ray, > I had no idea that someone with residual hearing could have it preserved > and have a CI implanted. That's fascinating. Is this new? Could you > hear/understand speech with the HA prior to the CI? And one more question, can you try > to describe the differences in how speech sounds with the HA and CI? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 but that may not be right onee for those with 70db or greater as im told by them > Hi , > > I believe the hybrid implant was designed to try and preserve residual > hearing. > > Jim > > > > > > Ray, > > I had no idea that someone with residual hearing could have it > preserved > > and have a CI implanted. That's fascinating. Is this new? Could you > > hear/understand speech with the HA prior to the CI? And one more > question, can you try > > to describe the differences in how speech sounds with the HA and CI? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 > > Ray, > That is really fascinating. How long has it been since your implant? Just two months, but I can't say I am used to the sound of music through the CI yet. I does add sharpness to the sound but also some distorted crackling rather like an old misstuned am radio. It sounds like everything is being accompanied by percusion played with a wire brush. Not really as I remember it. I > have never really appreciated music except songs at church and Christmas songs; > that kind of thing. I could hear music but I didn't enjoy it in terms of > concerts or listening to the radio. I was very musical right from being a young child, always singing songs I heard on the radio or so my parents told me. I was in my late teens when I noticed high notes were missing from the piano but I recall tinittus had started when I was about 11 or 12. However, I have retained a very keen sense of pitch and progressive deafness has not stopped me singing in a small a cappella choir who have sung in nearly all the cathedrals in England. Even when amplified, the missing notes did not sound like I remembered, just a distorted dissonance, so I rarely wore my HAs to listen to music or perform. So music was an important factor in balancing the decision to have a CI at this moment. Speech comprehension won by a small head. I was not expecting much from the CI for music but to be honest, I had hoped I would keep the residual hearing better preserved that it appears to have been. The change of pitch I in mentioned in #41927 was unexpected because I had not seen this reported anywhere. > I hope the process continues to enable you to process more and more of > what you hear. Thanks. Best wishes to you on your search for information and the decisions that lay ahead. Ray G > > > > in SC > in process of hopefully becoming a CI candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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