Re: [CI-Clarion-2] more exciting young & restless news!

November 20, 2006

Hats off to Y & R for making the CI storyline as realistic as possible! I was

almost certain they would substitute BTE hearing aids in place of bilateral

CIs, but I'm glad to hear (no pun intended) otherwise. My only hope is that

brand names aren't announced during the show since this is completely

irrelevant to the storyline. (I'd say the same thing regardless of the CI

brand being donated.)

At the end of some episodes, the producers of Y & R display contact

information for various organizations on the screen so that viewers can

obtain more information about a particular health or social issue presented

on the show. I wonder if Advanced Bionics' contact information will be

shown? If is the case, it will obviously create more publicity for AB which

would definitely be a positive trade-off in exchange for their donation.

I'd like to stress that all of my comments above apply *regardless* of the

CI brand being donated.

Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with 3G

Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

November 20, 2006

Once it was seen that the donation wasnt an altruistic one, it was

always going to be made public. They dont need to mention it in the

programme, it is already on the net and will be over all the

newspapers.

I'm with you, inasmuch as which ever brand was used, the

manufacturers name shouldnt have been released. The makers of the

programme are obviously happy for someone to foot the bill, but IMO

they should have paid for it themselves and kept the brand generic.

Its a risky strategy from AB, given their previous track record on

reliability and selective information about same. Perhaps they are

trying to catch up?

Ted F.

>

> My only hope is that brand names aren't announced during the show

> since this is completely irrelevant to the storyline. (I'd say the

> same thing regardless of the CI brand being donated.)

>

> Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with 3G

> Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

>

> Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

> Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

>

November 20, 2006

Ted,

I agree.

When " Guiding Light " featured an actress in its storyline who (was deaf in

real life and) received a CI, I don't believe any mention was made of a

particular CI brand. However, various magazines and newspapers indicated

that she received an Advanced Bionics CI.

If AB's name is mentioned, it will be interesting to see if Fidelity 120 is

also mentioned at the time of Devon's activation (despite new implantees

being unable to use F120 until they've had 3 months experience with HiRes).

And again, I would say the *same* thing about Cochlear or Med-El.

Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with 3G

Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

November 21, 2006

Awww c'mon, there are several who proudly donate their time to

advertise for Cochlear Corp. on this list (and elsewhere) all the

time. Unfortunately some of the same regularly ridicule AB also.

Still others say Cochlear Americas rewards them for both, because of

their track record with paying volunteers.

If I agreed with your logic, I guess I'd have to say the same as you

about them keeping the brand generic, etc.

*But* I don't know or care.

What I do know is every user should be able to say what they like and

don't like about their own brand, or share good news about it without

those wearing another device taking the opportunity to criticize a

brand they don't wear. At least out of courtesy, don't you think?

Besides, AB couldn't sell a CI to Y & R if they wanted to. These are

regulated medical devices. They can't just be sold to anyone for any

old reason. The FDA allows their sale for very specific purposes,

especially when money is exchanged. Chances are it's just on loan

for use in the show, or it's a non-functioning demo model.

And every company needs advertising, whether is't paid for or donated.

Sincerely,

Steve

> >

> > My only hope is that brand names aren't announced during the

show

> > since this is completely irrelevant to the storyline. (I'd say

the

> > same thing regardless of the CI brand being donated.)

> >

> > Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with 3G

> > Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

> >

> > Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

> > Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

> >

>

November 21, 2006

I am totally baffled here. How does one donate a real product to a fictional

character on a fictional show ? Someone made a comment that the producers

should have footed the bill themselves. How is that possible? Why would

anyone buy an implant for a made up storyline ? Couldn't someone had just

made a prop? I am glad to see that a CI is being mentioned on TV but come

one this donation business is just plain stupid (regardless of what brand

is being donated)

Implants should be donated to people who are real and need them. duh.

November 21, 2006

said " Implants should be donated to people who are real and need

them. duh. "

That could not have been said any better.

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After eating, do amphibians need to wait an hour before getting OUT of the

water?

& Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie)

Newport, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rclark0276@...

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

November 21, 2006

Steve,

Why continue to perpetrate bad feelings? Shame on you.

There is a big difference between advertising a product on tv and

volunteers whom people can talk to and hear the real life stories. You know

well how tv glamorizes life unrealistically. In this case, it looks like

shameless self promotion. As was pointed out, why was a donation needed at

all for a fictional show?

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Quoting one is plagiarism; quoting many is research.

& Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie)

Newport, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rclark0276@...

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

November 21, 2006

I have been a member of this list since January, 2006, and have met some nice

people on here. Unfortunately there are quite a few not-so-nice people who seem

to thoroughly enjoy trying to make AB users feel unwelcome. At absolutely any

opportunity they make snide, nasty comments about AB and Med El. I have never

seen a post bashing Cochlear Americas on here. I believe that if anyone tried

they would immediately be banned or put on moderated status. Are Cochlear users

so insecure that they have to constantly bash the other brands. It seems like

it. I get so angry and sad reading the nasty posts that I feel physically ill

every time I see new posts from this list coming in, as half of them are just

brand bashing nastiness. and others have made comments that there are not

many AB users on this list, and that they post infrequently. This list is

designed to make us unwelcome. One of the reasons I have lasted as long as I

have is that I feel there should be enough of us to refute the false and mean

posts about the other manufacturers. The cochlear users who brand bash are not

censored by the moderators. That seems to only happen when AB users refute the

false statements made by Cochlear users. Why can't we all just be happy and

excited that these wonderful CIs, of all brands, are allowing us to hear?

, you are accusing Steve of continuing to perpetrate bad feelings.

Continuing is the key word. The bad feelings were perpetrated by Cochlear users

brand bashing as usual. Steve was simply answering the previous brand bashing

posts. He wasn't even mean about it. The real shame is that this claims to be a

neutral forum for people who have all brands of CIs and for are interested in

getting CIs, yet a large number of the most frequent posters are so completely

biased and so prone to brand bashing that newcomers are fed misinformation and

people with devices other than Cochlear Americas are subjected to constant

baiting and put-downs. To me, that is the real shame.

Jane

AB 90K Hi-Res

Implanted 10-03-06

Activated 11-03-06

Re: Re: [CI-Clarion-2] more exciting young & restless news!

Steve,

Why continue to perpetrate bad feelings? Shame on you.

There is a big difference between advertising a product on tv and

volunteers whom people can talk to and hear the real life stories. You know

well how tv glamorizes life unrealistically. In this case, it looks like

shameless self promotion. As was pointed out, why was a donation needed at

all for a fictional show?

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Quoting one is plagiarism; quoting many is research.

& Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie)

Newport, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rclark0276@...

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

November 21, 2006

You know, Jane, some of us have tried to make the AB users feel welcome.

My attsmpt at that earlier this month fell totally flat. Totally

misinterpreted. But you know, if everything that is said here is taken

personally, it will never stop. My comment that I am sure you are refering

to was NOT even close to an attack on anyone. The reaction to that comment

was not justified. If people are going to continue to react to what they

percieve as personal affronts, well, sorry, that is their problem.

If it will make you feel better, Jane, I will volunteer to be put on

moderated status. But it wont be necessary for I am done with this topic.

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Whose cruel idea was it for the word " lisp " to have an " s " in it?

& Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie)

Newport, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rclark0276@...

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

November 21, 2006

Jane, I feel the same way, and is sad.

There one person who posts on other forums, also, and she is a perfect

example of the right way to post. Her name is Kozlik. She is very happy

with her Nucleus implants, and her postings are either informative or

inspiring.

I remember on another forum where she asked some questions about the AB

device, and she had positive comments to make about them, and wished people

well.

She has never once said anything negative about AB or MedEl. We should all

follow her example.

Ralph

CII 8/01

HiRes 2/03

> Unfortunately there are quite a few not-so-nice people who seem to

> thoroughly enjoy trying to make AB users feel unwelcome. At absolutely any

> opportunity they make snide, nasty comments about AB and Med El. I have

> never seen a post bashing Cochlear Americas on here. I believe that if

> anyone tried they would immediately be banned or put on moderated status.

> Are Cochlear users so insecure that they have to constantly bash the other

> brands. It seems like it. I get so angry and sad reading the nasty posts

> that I feel physically ill every time I see new posts from this list

> coming in, as half of them are just brand bashing nastiness. and

> others have made comments that there are not many AB users on this list,

> and that they post infrequently. This list is designed to make us

> unwelcome.

> Jane

> AB 90K Hi-Res

> Implanted 10-03-06

> Activated 11-03-06

November 21, 2006

I agree with you 100% Ralph. is one of the people on here that I have very

much enjoyed. I just wish we could all be more supportive of users and

candidates of all the brands like she is. The list would be ever so much better

if people could all play nice.