Re: Advanced Bionics or Nuccleus freedom

[Guest guest]

Yikes..... when I first joined here I was slapped on the wrist for showing my

satisfaction with AB....... and you stated that this site was not biased???

This is not true. CIHEAR has become a Nucleus site and this concerns me. I

do not understand the bashing???? I have been trying to tie my fingers up

from posting a response regarding this defensiveness but the daggers flying on

keyboards is getting pretty sad....

I was always told by my audiologist that if a CI was going to be successful,

that it would not really matter which device was chosen..... both companies

are good. It is sooooooooooo unfortunate that both sides can't work together

more effectively. Competition is good to a certain extent, but I do not

understand the defensiveness that has cropped up on this listserv..... When one

becomes blindsinded by personal agendas, we fail to see the facts clearly - we

are

spending more time trying to justify which company we feel provides the best

services that you can't see the facts that are truly important.

Please - both companies are giving back quality hearing to many people. Why

can't we be more supportive of both companies and work together?

Pam

[Guest guest]

FROM: bleedingpurist@...

Thank you Alice. Since these studies have not been published within

the public domain, that tells us they are not subject to peer review

and therefore serve no useful purpose. There are no peer reviewed

research studies that support Cochlear's claims. We must presume

these claims to be false until proven independently and consistently.

>

> Kim and All,

>

> The studies are not published online but anyone can contact Cochlear

> and they will send you a copy.

>

> Alice

> http://www..com

>

[Guest guest]

What do you mean by peer review?

Has the article referred to previously from AB been published anywhere

else - other than on AB's website - say in a journal?

What peer reviewed research supports AB's claims?

Alice

http://www..com

>

> FROM: bleedingpurist@...

>

> Thank you Alice. Since these studies have not been published within

> the public domain, that tells us they are not subject to peer review

> and therefore serve no useful purpose. There are no peer reviewed

> research studies that support Cochlear's claims. We must presume

> these claims to be false until proven independently and consistently.

>

>

> >

> > Kim and All,

> >

> > The studies are not published online but anyone can contact Cochlear

> > and they will send you a copy.

> >

> > Alice

> > http://www..com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This whole thread started when someone who was doing her research shared on

the forum that she was contacted by an AB person involved in the 120 trials.

Based on what I read, many things that this person told her about the

Nucleus/Cochlear were not true....that is how the bashing started.

In a message dated 7/12/2006 6:07:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, pkt52@...

writes:

Yikes..... when I first joined here I was slapped on the wrist for showing my

satisfaction with AB....... and you stated that this site was not biased???

This is not true. CIHEAR has become a Nucleus site and this concerns me. I

do not understand the bashing???? I have been trying to tie my fingers up

from posting a response regarding this defensiveness but the daggers flying

on

keyboards is getting pretty sad....

[Guest guest]

Hi all! Trying to follow this interesting exchange, I am thwarted in the

lack of citations of the studies? articles?

Could someone please provide at least the title of the work, the lead

researcher and date of publication in the least for the two works in

contention?

Also, wavering a bit off topic, I would like to address 's reply to

Alice, as interjected therein with asterisks

Thanks!

Bob

....

> Re: Advanced Bionics or Nuccleus freedom

>

>

> FROM: bleedingpurist@...

>

> Thank you Alice. Since these studies have not been published within

> the public domain,

* , Alice stated that the study, whatever it is, was not online - there

was no mention of public domain, albeit that could be subject to

interpretation.

that tells us they are not subject to peer review

* That is presumptuous

> and therefore serve no useful purpose.

* Au contraire, IMHO, sir! At the least in purpose fulfilled, it stirred

vibrant discussion on this list!! <G>

Also, I believe that the castigation of the study is rather subjective -

with no documentation referenced in support.

There are no peer reviewed research studies that support Cochlear's claims.

* Per who?

We must presume these claims to be false until proven independently and

consistently.

* I beg your pardon! WE? You mean ME? The claim is preposterous - that

scientific research should be presumed false e until proven otherwise! Yes,

peer review is a part of any paper, but the that should banish any work to

the hopper on that criterion alone.

Just my opinions tonight...no offense to any, please.

Bob

..................

>

> Kim and All,

>

> The studies are not published online but anyone can contact Cochlear

> and they will send you a copy.

>

> Alice

> http://www..com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Excellent point and I concur completely with you that we should work

together, unforunatly this is just one of those subjects that breeds

strong emotions and naturally the personal bias takes over. The list

owner and mods want to promote cooperation and unbiased sharing of

information but that is not always what gets posted. We could

moderate every post or edit comments that we feel are biased but I

don't think that is what anyone wants!!! I have always tried to

present fair and factual information - unless I am expressing

a " Personal Opinion " which I always make perfectly clear, and I would

like to encourage everyone to try to do the same. If you want to

comment on your own experience or Implant please be fair and stick to

facts you (and we all) can verify making claims or shooting down a

company / device you don't have experience with only causes problems

and makes others defensive and that's when these brand wars get out

of hand. Please take a minute to review the message on the front page

of the group...

<small excerpt>

is not brand specific thus brand wars,spam and/or marketing

will not be permitted here. Offensive messages will be deleted and

the sender's priviliges will be changed to moderated. Our goal is to

be a good mix of friends with a common interest and to learn from

each other.

I hope this post does not offend anyone but the purpose of this group

is to help each other and we seem to get off track every so often. I

believe I have said before there is no way to fairly compare teh CI

brands, they are different but they all work and that is why we have

gone through the testing, surgery & rehab so lets stick to supporting

each other and those to come and try to stay away from comparing (and

ultmately bashing).

OK enough of my ranting please lets play nice...

Regards

Mike " Ears Hopin " P

>

> Yikes..... when I first joined here I was slapped on the wrist for

showing my

> satisfaction with AB....... and you stated that this site was not

biased???

> This is not true. CIHEAR has become a Nucleus site and this

concerns me. I

> do not understand the bashing???? I have been trying to tie my

fingers up

> from posting a response regarding this defensiveness but the

daggers flying on

> keyboards is getting pretty sad....

>

> I was always told by my audiologist that if a CI was going to be

successful,

> that it would not really matter which device was chosen..... both

companies

> are good. It is sooooooooooo unfortunate that both sides can't

work together

> more effectively. Competition is good to a certain extent, but I

do not

> understand the defensiveness that has cropped up on this

listserv..... When one

> becomes blindsinded by personal agendas, we fail to see the facts

clearly - we are

> spending more time trying to justify which company we feel provides

the best

> services that you can't see the facts that are truly important.

>

> Please - both companies are giving back quality hearing to many

people. Why

> can't we be more supportive of both companies and work together?

>

> Pam

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Its humanly impossible to be unbiased. That said, we can accept the

differences among us. Neither AB user nor Cochlear user is exempt from

being overly proud of its choice. That does not excuse the defensiveness,

yet, neither brand can deny its there. But if one is truly certain of the

choice made, why become defensive at all? Its not necessary.

And, why is it necessary to jump on this every time there is some

dissent? I see this phenomena on almost every list I am or have been on. I

call it editorializing. Its a waste of bandwidth. Each list has an owner

and at least one moderator. Let them do their jobs. Take it for granted,

this list is no different, and will continue to enjoy the bumps along the

way. It also will see smooth sailing as well.

" Why can't we be more supportive of both companies and work together? "

We can, we do, and we will.

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mainly because it was just a sew-sew job.

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N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

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[Guest guest]

" This whole thread started when someone who was doing her research

shared on the forum that she was contacted by an AB person involved in the

120 trials. "

The hazards of advocating off list. It fosters suspicion. LOL

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The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.

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N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

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[Guest guest]

I went back to the original post and I don't see where she says that

she was contacted by an AB person and given inaccurate information

on the Cochear device. If you know this as a fact then state that

email but that was not the story that I read here by the posting.

Here's the original post:

When we first started the evaluation process for our

> toddler (back in January), I wanted to get Cochlear

> Freedom based on the water resistent issue. But we

> were told that both Freedom and AB were pretty much

> the same as well as the water issue just that AB

> hadn't advertised the water issue. And that the

> only thing different was the battery option.

>

> Now that we're done with the evalation and the

> surgery date of Sept 8th approaching, I'm leaning

> towards the AB mostly because of 120K (music) and

> partly cuz of the rechargeable batteries (not having

> to worry about our toddler ingesting the

> disposables). I know that Cochlear recently came

> out with rechargables but music IS a big factor for

> me, as I'm deaf as well and really want to have more

> appreciation of music in my life. HA I've always

> wanted to sing in a church choir and hope that our

> son and I can eventually take piano lessons (the

> rest of the family are hearing and taking lessons

> right now).

>

> Perhaps those of you who are hmm.. Post linguistic

> (sp?) and musically inclined could comment on if

> you're able to appreciate music compared to before

> you lost your hearing? Which brand do you have?

> Does (?) have AB or Cochlear (the one who has

> been taking I think voice lessons)?

>

Kim B

Advanced Bionics CI

>

> This whole thread started when someone who was doing her research

shared on

> the forum that she was contacted by an AB person involved in the

120 trials.

> Based on what I read, many things that this person told her about

the

> Nucleus/Cochlear were not true....that is how the bashing started.

>

>

>

> In a message dated 7/12/2006 6:07:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

pkt52@...

> writes:

> Yikes..... when I first joined here I was slapped on the wrist for

showing my

> satisfaction with AB....... and you stated that this site was not

biased???

> This is not true. CIHEAR has become a Nucleus site and this

concerns me. I

> do not understand the bashing???? I have been trying to tie my

fingers up

> from posting a response regarding this defensiveness but the

daggers flying

> on

> keyboards is getting pretty sad....

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Now I am confused because I thought this was the original post....

Were you " this wonderful person? "

" Hi everyone

The other day I told you about my scheduled surgery

and that I chose the nucleus freedom implant. I did

like the AB better in terms of design and also the

company's presentation. I chose the freedom because

for the water repellant issue and Forum - where most

of you appears to use a nucleus. I received this mail

from a wonderful person who told me she had talked a

few persons who had both a nucleus and, took part in

the trial for the AB 120, and they said that the AB

was much better in clarity. She also told me that she

had spoken to many AB implanters who only had good

things to say about the comany.Moreoever, AB offers

FREE upgrades whereas Nucleus does not -

SO now I am in total confusion. Am I choosing the best

with Nuleus Freedom? Should I go for AB after all?

HOW do you choose?? Both my doctor and the audie

seemed to have a slight preference towards nucleus

freedom, although the audie said that she cannot

recommend one brand for the other. How did all of you

people choose??

Now I am lingering towards changing my order.....

And, moreover, how important has the

water-resistant/sweat proof element been to you? Have

there been days where you have been thinking, thank

God that I chose the freedom due to the water proof

issue? I have small kids and we are kind of active -

like to play with water, go in a boat and so on..

I thought I had made the perfect choice - now I am not

so sure!! Any advice? Anyone there with the AB? or

with both? Grateful for any comments!! Tine

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol

Nope I'm not the wonderful person (although I hope that tem could be

used by some on this list). I honestly do not know of anyone that

has a Nucleus device and also an AB device and was in the 120

trial. But let the truth be known that I am out of date on things

in the AB world and there may be just this type of person out

there.

Carol - are YOU sure you have your forums correct though??? I went

back through the archieve and THIS posting is no where to be found!

So PLEASE tell me where YOU found this post?

Kim B

Advanced Bionics CI

>

> Kim,

> Now I am confused because I thought this was the original post....

> Were you " this wonderful person? "

> " Hi everyone

> The other day I told you about my scheduled surgery

> and that I chose the nucleus freedom implant. I did

> like the AB better in terms of design and also the

> company's presentation. I chose the freedom because

> for the water repellant issue and Forum - where most

> of you appears to use a nucleus. I received this mail

> from a wonderful person who told me she had talked a

> few persons who had both a nucleus and, took part in

> the trial for the AB 120, and they said that the AB

> was much better in clarity. She also told me that she

> had spoken to many AB implanters who only had good

> things to say about the comany.Moreoever, AB offers

> FREE upgrades whereas Nucleus does not -

> SO now I am in total confusion. Am I choosing the best

> with Nuleus Freedom? Should I go for AB after all?

> HOW do you choose?? Both my doctor and the audie

> seemed to have a slight preference towards nucleus

> freedom, although the audie said that she cannot

> recommend one brand for the other. How did all of you

> people choose??

> Now I am lingering towards changing my order.....

> And, moreover, how important has the

> water-resistant/sweat proof element been to you? Have

> there been days where you have been thinking, thank

> God that I chose the freedom due to the water proof

> issue? I have small kids and we are kind of active -

> like to play with water, go in a boat and so on..

> I thought I had made the perfect choice - now I am not

> so sure!! Any advice? Anyone there with the AB? or

> with both? Grateful for any comments!! Tine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tine's post was Message #46529

And it said:

I am new to this site - and perhaps this question is not the

appropriate place to ask this question, but I try anyway. I am to be

implanted in September and I chose the Nucleus freedom due to the

fact it is water resistant, and I heard much good about it. However,

I also like the AB and what they have to say in its brochures - and

I asked my audie about the hiresolution and she said that yes, it is

good, but you may not even want or need that fast speed for your "

hearing " . And freedom had more electrodes. However, with the new

120 AB i think AB may have more.

SO now I am in total doubt whether to go for the AB or nucleus!! Any

advice??????? Any experience, any preferences? grateful for any

response!

>

> Kim,

> Now I am confused because I thought this was the original post....

> Were you " this wonderful person? "

> " Hi everyone

> The other day I told you about my scheduled surgery

> and that I chose the nucleus freedom implant. I did

> like the AB better in terms of design and also the

> company's presentation. I chose the freedom because

> for the water repellant issue and Forum - where most

> of you appears to use a nucleus. I received this mail

> from a wonderful person who told me she had talked a

> few persons who had both a nucleus and, took part in

> the trial for the AB 120, and they said that the AB

> was much better in clarity. She also told me that she

> had spoken to many AB implanters who only had good

> things to say about the comany.Moreoever, AB offers

> FREE upgrades whereas Nucleus does not -

> SO now I am in total confusion. Am I choosing the best

> with Nuleus Freedom? Should I go for AB after all?

> HOW do you choose?? Both my doctor and the audie

> seemed to have a slight preference towards nucleus

> freedom, although the audie said that she cannot

> recommend one brand for the other. How did all of you

> people choose??

> Now I am lingering towards changing my order.....

> And, moreover, how important has the

> water-resistant/sweat proof element been to you? Have

> there been days where you have been thinking, thank

> God that I chose the freedom due to the water proof

> issue? I have small kids and we are kind of active -

> like to play with water, go in a boat and so on..

> I thought I had made the perfect choice - now I am not

> so sure!! Any advice? Anyone there with the AB? or

> with both? Grateful for any comments!! Tine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carol

I looked everywhere on this list - where did you find this post? I

don't think this post was posted here and I do NOT think that people

on this list should be accused for something they did NOT do!

Facts please.... that is all I am asking

Kim B

Advanced Bionics CI

>

> Kim,

> Now I am confused because I thought this was the original post....

> Were you " this wonderful person? "

> " Hi everyone

> The other day I told you about my scheduled surgery

> and that I chose the nucleus freedom implant. I did

> like the AB better in terms of design and also the

> company's presentation. I chose the freedom because

> for the water repellant issue and Forum - where most

> of you appears to use a nucleus. I received this mail

> from a wonderful person who told me she had talked a

> few persons who had both a nucleus and, took part in

> the trial for the AB 120, and they said that the AB

> was much better in clarity. She also told me that she

> had spoken to many AB implanters who only had good

> things to say about the comany.Moreoever, AB offers

> FREE upgrades whereas Nucleus does not -

> SO now I am in total confusion. Am I choosing the best

> with Nuleus Freedom? Should I go for AB after all?

> HOW do you choose?? Both my doctor and the audie

> seemed to have a slight preference towards nucleus

> freedom, although the audie said that she cannot

> recommend one brand for the other. How did all of you

> people choose??

> Now I am lingering towards changing my order.....

> And, moreover, how important has the

> water-resistant/sweat proof element been to you? Have

> there been days where you have been thinking, thank

> God that I chose the freedom due to the water proof

> issue? I have small kids and we are kind of active -

> like to play with water, go in a boat and so on..

> I thought I had made the perfect choice - now I am not

> so sure!! Any advice? Anyone there with the AB? or

> with both? Grateful for any comments!! Tine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

The subject was the same as on the thread but I really do not remember where

this post came from. It was from Tine and just hit a really sour note with me

because the information she was given was extremely biased and wrong.

How about if we each just give facts about our own implant and how we hear with

it .... good or bad..... and really tell about the things we like and don't like

about our own rather than trying to bash the others.

Happy Hearing!

Carol

Boca Raton, FL

N24C 3G left ear -12/11/01

N Freedom- right ear- implanted 3/01/06 activated 4/6/06

Re: Advanced Bionics or Nuccleus freedom

Carol

I looked everywhere on this list - where did you find this post? I

don't think this post was posted here and I do NOT think that people

on this list should be accused for something they did NOT do!

Facts please.... that is all I am asking

Kim B

Advanced Bionics CI

>

> Kim,

> Now I am confused because I thought this was the original post....

> Were you " this wonderful person? "

> " Hi everyone

> The other day I told you about my scheduled surgery

> and that I chose the nucleus freedom implant. I did

> like the AB better in terms of design and also the

> company's presentation. I chose the freedom because

> for the water repellant issue and Forum - where most

> of you appears to use a nucleus. I received this mail

> from a wonderful person who told me she had talked a

> few persons who had both a nucleus and, took part in

> the trial for the AB 120, and they said that the AB

> was much better in clarity. She also told me that she

> had spoken to many AB implanters who only had good

> things to say about the comany.Moreoever, AB offers

> FREE upgrades whereas Nucleus does not -

> SO now I am in total confusion. Am I choosing the best

> with Nuleus Freedom? Should I go for AB after all?

> HOW do you choose?? Both my doctor and the audie

> seemed to have a slight preference towards nucleus

> freedom, although the audie said that she cannot

> recommend one brand for the other. How did all of you

> people choose??

> Now I am lingering towards changing my order.....

> And, moreover, how important has the

> water-resistant/sweat proof element been to you? Have

> there been days where you have been thinking, thank

> God that I chose the freedom due to the water proof

> issue? I have small kids and we are kind of active -

> like to play with water, go in a boat and so on..

> I thought I had made the perfect choice - now I am not

> so sure!! Any advice? Anyone there with the AB? or

> with both? Grateful for any comments!! Tine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carol

Someone just wrote to me privately and said that was a post from the

Nuclues forum - not here.

So please do not accuse people here with things like this.

I have tried VERY hard to be polite and stick to facts and find

documents to answer questions. So please do not point a finger at

me!

I am very interested in 's comments as I do want to know how

things get out of hand (or at least in some people's opinion). I

just want to understand things - is that a crime???

Kim B

Advanced Bionics CI

> >

> > Kim,

> > Now I am confused because I thought this was the original

post....

> > Were you " this wonderful person? "

> > " Hi everyone

> > The other day I told you about my scheduled surgery

> > and that I chose the nucleus freedom implant. I did

> > like the AB better in terms of design and also the

> > company's presentation. I chose the freedom because

> > for the water repellant issue and Forum - where most

> > of you appears to use a nucleus. I received this mail

> > from a wonderful person who told me she had talked a

> > few persons who had both a nucleus and, took part in

> > the trial for the AB 120, and they said that the AB

> > was much better in clarity. She also told me that she

> > had spoken to many AB implanters who only had good

> > things to say about the comany.Moreoever, AB offers

> > FREE upgrades whereas Nucleus does not -

> > SO now I am in total confusion. Am I choosing the best

> > with Nuleus Freedom? Should I go for AB after all?

> > HOW do you choose?? Both my doctor and the audie

> > seemed to have a slight preference towards nucleus

> > freedom, although the audie said that she cannot

> > recommend one brand for the other. How did all of you

> > people choose??

> > Now I am lingering towards changing my order.....

> > And, moreover, how important has the

> > water-resistant/sweat proof element been to you? Have

> > there been days where you have been thinking, thank

> > God that I chose the freedom due to the water proof

> > issue? I have small kids and we are kind of active -

> > like to play with water, go in a boat and so on..

> > I thought I had made the perfect choice - now I am not

> > so sure!! Any advice? Anyone there with the AB? or

> > with both? Grateful for any comments!! Tine

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As far as I can see, what you posted, must have been put on another

board or group somewhere. THIS is what was posted in :

Advanced Bionics or Nuccleus freedom? tinetyner

I am new to this site - and perhaps this question is not the

appropriate place to ask this question, but I try anyway. I am to be

implanted in September and I chose the Nucleus freedom due to the fact

it is water resistant, and I heard much good about it. However, I also

like the AB and what they have to say in its brochures - and I asked

my audie about the hiresolution and she said that yes, it is good, but

you may not even want or need that fast speed for your " hearing " . And

freedom had more electrodes. However, with the new 120 AB i think AB

may have more.

SO now I am in total doubt whether to go for the AB or nucleus!! Any

advice??????? Any experience, any preferences? grateful for any

response!

It was message No. 46529 in THIS group.

Ted F.

>

> Kim,

> Now I am confused because I thought this was the original post....

> Were you " this wonderful person? "

> " Hi everyone

> The other day I told you about my scheduled surgery

> and that I chose the nucleus freedom implant. I did

> like the AB better in terms of design and also the

> company's presentation. I chose the freedom because

> for the water repellant issue and Forum - where most

> of you appears to use a nucleus. I received this mail

> from a wonderful person who told me she had talked a

> few persons who had both a nucleus and, took part in

> the trial for the AB 120, and they said that the AB

> was much better in clarity. She also told me that she

> had spoken to many AB implanters who only had good

> things to say about the comany.Moreoever, AB offers

> FREE upgrades whereas Nucleus does not -

> SO now I am in total confusion. Am I choosing the best

> with Nuleus Freedom? Should I go for AB after all?

> HOW do you choose?? Both my doctor and the audie

> seemed to have a slight preference towards nucleus

> freedom, although the audie said that she cannot

> recommend one brand for the other. How did all of you

> people choose??

> Now I am lingering towards changing my order.....

> And, moreover, how important has the

> water-resistant/sweat proof element been to you? Have

> there been days where you have been thinking, thank

> God that I chose the freedom due to the water proof

> issue? I have small kids and we are kind of active -

> like to play with water, go in a boat and so on..

> I thought I had made the perfect choice - now I am not

> so sure!! Any advice? Anyone there with the AB? or

> with both? Grateful for any comments!! Tine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

You have made your share of off the wall comments, so lets not barbeque

Carol for hers. And lets not blow this up to a major world crisis. You

said to Carol...

" I am very interested in 's comments as I do want to know how

things get out of hand (or at least in some people's opinion). I just want

to understand things - is that a crime??? "

You want to know how things get out of hand, just read what you have

written to Carol. Amazing how things get out of control.

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I'm out of bed and dressed. What more do you want?

& Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie)

Newport, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rclark0276@...

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

[Guest guest]

Thank you Carol! That was the post to which I was referring. I believe that

was contents of the post that started it all. Let's move on!

In a message dated 7/13/2006 12:28:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

carol@... writes:

Kim,

Now I am confused because I thought this was the original post....

Were you " this wonderful person? "

" Hi everyone

The other day I told you about my scheduled surgery

and that I chose the nucleus freedom implant. I did

like the AB better in terms of design and also the

company's presentation. I chose the freedom because

for the water repellant issue and Forum - where most

of you appears to use a nucleus. I received this mail

from a wonderful person who told me she had talked a

few persons who had both a nucleus and, took part in

the trial for the AB 120, and they said that the AB

was much better in clarity. She also told me that she

had spoken to many AB implanters who only had good

things to say about the comany.Moreoever, AB offers

FREE upgrades whereas Nucleus does not -

[Guest guest]

Kim - Please do not let emails like this stop you from trying to keep people

focused on the facts. I appreciate the way you monitor posts and attempt to

make people accountable for inaccurate statements about both devices - this

helps separate opinions from facts. I know that a lot of AB users have stopped

posting and being involved with CI Hear. I have learned a lot from CI Hear,

and I hate to see this forum be Nucleus only, where AB users feel so intimidated

that they must " take the high road. " I sense your frustration and share

your frustration.

It is not a matter of your being aggressive, but rather stating facts that

some people do not want posted.

Hang in there.....

Pam

[Guest guest]

Please, please, please....let's just share information, and not argue about

which devise is better.

There are so many issues facing all of us no matter what brand cochlear

implant we've chosen. Let's try and share information that may be beneficial

to

someone out there who is struggling to try and regain some semblance of a

normal hearing life, if possible.

I'm not a do gooder, just someone trying to get some information from a group

of cochlear recipients.

Thank you.

M.

[Guest guest]

My post were not showing up last night so I assumed that I wsa one

moderator status once again. I never know when I get placed on it;

and when a post takes over an hour to appear I make that

assumption.

All I was seeking was to find out the post in which an AB CI user

made incorect statements.

The post mentioned was not even on this forum; so I guess if

something happens anywhere on forums it's okay to criticize AB

people here.

Kim B

Advanced Bionics CI

>

> Kim,

> You have made your share of off the wall comments, so lets not

barbeque

> Carol for hers. And lets not blow this up to a major world

crisis. You

> said to Carol...

>

> " I am very interested in 's comments as I do want to

know how

> things get out of hand (or at least in some people's opinion). I

just want

> to understand things - is that a crime??? "

>

> You want to know how things get out of hand, just read what

you have

> written to Carol. Amazing how things get out of control.

>

> *---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

> I'm out of bed and dressed. What more do you want?

> & Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie)

> Newport, Oregon

> N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

> rclark0276@...

> http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

>

[Guest guest]

Carol-- I think that that post was posted on the Nucleus forum. Snoopy

Re: Advanced Bionics or Nuccleus freedom

Carol

I looked everywhere on this list - where did you find this post? I

don't think this post was posted here and I do NOT think that people

on this list should be accused for something they did NOT do!

Facts please.... that is all I am asking

Kim B

Advanced Bionics CI

>

> Kim,

> Now I am confused because I thought this was the original post....

> Were you " this wonderful person? "

> " Hi everyone

> The other day I told you about my scheduled surgery

> and that I chose the nucleus freedom implant. I did

> like the AB better in terms of design and also the

> company's presentation. I chose the freedom because

> for the water repellant issue and Forum - where most

> of you appears to use a nucleus. I received this mail

> from a wonderful person who told me she had talked a

> few persons who had both a nucleus and, took part in

> the trial for the AB 120, and they said that the AB

> was much better in clarity. She also told me that she

> had spoken to many AB implanters who only had good

> things to say about the comany.Moreoever, AB offers

> FREE upgrades whereas Nucleus does not -

> SO now I am in total confusion. Am I choosing the best

> with Nuleus Freedom? Should I go for AB after all?

> HOW do you choose?? Both my doctor and the audie

> seemed to have a slight preference towards nucleus

> freedom, although the audie said that she cannot

> recommend one brand for the other. How did all of you

> people choose??

> Now I am lingering towards changing my order.....

> And, moreover, how important has the

> water-resistant/sweat proof element been to you? Have

> there been days where you have been thinking, thank

> God that I chose the freedom due to the water proof

> issue? I have small kids and we are kind of active -

> like to play with water, go in a boat and so on..

> I thought I had made the perfect choice - now I am not

> so sure!! Any advice? Anyone there with the AB? or

> with both? Grateful for any comments!! Tine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

You said " My post were not showing up last night so I assumed that I wsa

one

moderator status once again. ___I never know when I get placed on it___;

and when a post takes over an hour to appear I make that assumption. "

Doesnt that tell you something? You allow yourself to become aggressive

and the list is not the place to let this happen. Make an appearance on the

Jerry Springer show instead. As I said before, people make mistakes, dont

take it personal. You dont like being criticized...again, it works both

ways. Take the high road.

*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are

talking about.

& Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie)

Newport, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rclark0276@...

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

[Guest guest]

Grow up, Kim. You are giving AB a bad name.

Ted F.

>

>

> The post mentioned was not even on this forum; so I guess if

> something happens anywhere on forums it's okay to criticize AB

> people here.

>

>

> Kim B

> Advanced Bionics CI

>

>

[Guest guest]

- wow, I like your idea about working together. All of us

want to have cochlear implants. Right? If yes, why complain or

whine about it. We all are on the same boat because we want

cochlear implants and be able to hear better. My friend gave me an

example that it is like pick the different brand of cars - ford,

chev, honda, etc. and it is same idea with cochlear implant. We do

not complain or whine about cars and separate other people who drove

certain of cars. We are all on the same boat and we should HELP

each others no matter what. Smile

>

> Pam,

> Its humanly impossible to be unbiased. That said, we can

accept the

> differences among us. Neither AB user nor Cochlear user is exempt

from

> being overly proud of its choice. That does not excuse the

defensiveness,

> yet, neither brand can deny its there. But if one is truly

certain of the

> choice made, why become defensive at all? Its not necessary.

>

> And, why is it necessary to jump on this every time there is

some

> dissent? I see this phenomena on almost every list I am or have

been on. I

> call it editorializing. Its a waste of bandwidth. Each list has

an owner

> and at least one moderator. Let them do their jobs. Take it for

granted,

> this list is no different, and will continue to enjoy the bumps

along the

> way. It also will see smooth sailing as well.

>

> " Why can't we be more supportive of both companies and work

together? "

>

> We can, we do, and we will.

>

> *---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

> I tried to be a tailor, but I just wasn't suited for it...

> mainly because it was just a sew-sew job.

> & Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie)

> Newport, Oregon

> N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

> rclark0276@...

> http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

>